[Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Berry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > Scott here. I found a very interesting way for me to run my repeater > considering I am blind. Has anyone used the Echolink Station software? > That will alleviate a lot of work on my end for the repeater cause since I > don't have eyes that will be a lot less soldering for this boy. I am > reading about the Echolink Station and I like the principal. I can keep my > hands pretty much out of the radio except for reprogramming the freqs on it > and retuning the duplexers. The other thing I like is that I am able to run > Ar Newsline through the software controller and I was looking for something > like this. According to the manual, you can hook up a receiver and a > transmitter and be pretty much set to go. > > > > Where the repeater will be located here which is right at my QTH, I think > that since I have the knowledge of computers this will help. I just have to > set up a box for it. I am going to try and run a version of Windows Xp and > go that route. It should still be fun and interesting to see how all this > works. > > > > One other question though, if I run Echo Station on the comp can I also run > Echolink also as a -r station with out any problems or should Echolink be on > a different machine? Thanks for all the help. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Berry > > Email: sberry at northlc.com > > Ham Call sign: N7ZIB > Scott, I have used Echo station as well as Echo link via the repeater. They do not "play nice" together on a machine however they both are very user friendly. I am not sure what type of machine you are using as a repeater, mine was home brew from a 100watt mocom 70 old radio for tx side and have used many different receivers, mostly moto stuff like an M120. The big thing I will say is to have a good sound card, plenty of RAM and if nothing else, a good sound card interface to make everything plug and play such as a rig blaster or one of those small interfaces like one that I used for APRS that was around 30 bucks from buxxcom but I cant remember the name of the darn thing right now. The interface makes for easy plug into a DB9 or now, newer ones use a USB port to activate the PTT and COR signals and the sound card for, yup you guessed it, the sound. I also cheated and used the Windows stored voices to make my own, Voice ID and stored messages which is nice about the program. You can have scheduled messages, timed messages, morse ID, so many functions. Allot of hilltops would use them more if they didnt need to be on the hilltop...lol. You can message me off line if needed and I can and would love to help.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK
Thanks Kevin and Rick. I have a soft copy of that manual that Motorola sent me. It did not seem to cover those questions too well for me. I kind of assumed I was grabbing at straws. Thanks for the confirmation. I'll look into an aftermarket id'er -Tim On Jun 4, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Eric Lemmon wrote: > Tim, > > No, the HLNB R.I.C.K does not have an internal identifier; > you'll need > to add an ID-8 or similar CWID device to make it legal. The two > modular > jacks simply duplicate some of the pins in the larger 16-pin > connectors. > Switch S3 is used during the setup of the controller. There are > also 12 DIP > switches inside the unit that must be set properly, depending upon > what > radio is used in each position. > > I strongly suggest that you purchase a copy of the R.I.C.K manual > 6880901Z79, which explains in detail how the unit works and how to > set it up > and test it. The 45-page manual costs less than five dollars, and > is one of > the last bargains. > > 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:12 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK > > I have build a repeater using two CDM1250's and a RICK controller. > Its the HLNB. > > I'm wondering if the controller can do CWID. > > The unit has two RJ11 jacks on it. What are they for? > > Finally there is a program mode switch on the RICK. What does that do? > > The repeater is working BTW, I used the DIP switch settings to get it > going. I'd really like a CWID function. > > Thanks > -Tim > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK
Tim, No, the HLNB R.I.C.K does not have an internal identifier; you'll need to add an ID-8 or similar CWID device to make it legal. The two modular jacks simply duplicate some of the pins in the larger 16-pin connectors. Switch S3 is used during the setup of the controller. There are also 12 DIP switches inside the unit that must be set properly, depending upon what radio is used in each position. I strongly suggest that you purchase a copy of the R.I.C.K manual 6880901Z79, which explains in detail how the unit works and how to set it up and test it. The 45-page manual costs less than five dollars, and is one of the last bargains. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK I have build a repeater using two CDM1250's and a RICK controller. Its the HLNB. I'm wondering if the controller can do CWID. The unit has two RJ11 jacks on it. What are they for? Finally there is a program mode switch on the RICK. What does that do? The repeater is working BTW, I used the DIP switch settings to get it going. I'd really like a CWID function. Thanks -Tim
[Repeater-Builder] Serial Server
Does anybody have any extra Serial to Ethernet servers to control a controller on the hill top. Mike Mullarkey (K7PFJ)
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
Willis, One point on inductors...they do have a frequency rating. This is because of the capacitance produced between the coil windings. This total cap and inductance can make the inductor become resonance and then start to look like a capacitor as one goes higher in freq. Same happens with capacitors. An inductor is a term for a physical component which has inductance, capacitance and resistance. Also since one often puts in a core to increase the inductance per number of turns the material the core is made of affects the inductance with frequency. Due to the sluggness of the core's reaction to AC/RF it might work fine at say 10 kHz, 60 Hz, but not at 400 kHz. This is why cores are marked with colors to ID them for various functions. For filtering 450 kHz one would probably not have a problem, but whatever you get make sure it will work at the freq you want. Going down in freq is not a problem so if spec'd to work at 500 kHz, 1 MHz, etc will work at 450 kHz. It might have more inductance, but not less. I think you are trying to seperate the audio from the 450 Khz. They are far apart so should be easy. At 450 kHz a 10 mH choke is over 28 kOhms. I would put say a 1000 pf cap on the load side of the coil also. This will produce a low pass filter with a high cut off much above the audio, but well below 450 kHz. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Nate Duehr wrote: Willis M. Hagler wrote: I'm not terribly familiar with the nuts & bolts (so to speak) of the components so was unsure if the various styles of inductors all did the same thing and I was concerned once I looked and found what appears to be a pretty radical variance in size of available inductors all rated at 10 mH. Understand.. . the question still remains though -- are you connected to Volume/Squelch Hi coming off the MASTR II? There should be very little 455 KHz component there... I think... but there are other places to tap discriminator audio from... and we don't know from the other end of the keyboard here what your exact setup is... unless I missed that somehow too. (GRIN) Nate WY0X
[Repeater-Builder] Homebrew DB-408 UPDATE
Thanks to all the amazing people in this group, both "ON&OFF" list, My dilemma has been resolved. I have received an offer to purchase a harness from someone in the group...(and you better believe I will...:-)So for the immediate update, "Problem Solved..." I would not feel "finished" with this topic just yet however, if I didn't address some of the thoughts/ideas/suggestions I've recvd, from everyone in the groupBasically for future/further reference regarding "Harness Construction".I offer this "synopsis".. 1.) You gotta be crazy.. 2.) the harness is comprised of different type of impedance cables. either 35, 50, or 90 ohms has been suggested. With a combination of 1/4 & 1/2 wavelengths 3.) the Feed Impedance of the dipoles is approximately 100ohms. (sorry Skip, no-one would "etch" that in stone). 4.) Weather-proofing will be an issue...but "do-able". 5.) You gotta be crazy. Although there seems to be no "Cut & Tried" (pun intended) solution to the original question, I think some interesting data has come forth... and I would still like to "attempt" the harness at a later date, Maybe on a smaller scale..."just to see"... So again, let me offer my thanks to all that have contributed to this topic. There really are some knowledgeable people here... Almost forgot.Ron & Paul...you guys should be ashamed of yourselves for even "thinking" I would relegate this antenna back to the "Scrap Heap"...Heck, I hit garage sales looking for old tents to buy just for the aluminum tent poles...They make great antenna parts..Cheap too... Just for fun, I was thinking about putting the antenna up in the back yard, on a tripod,...and when the neighbors asked,..Now What?? I could tell them that was my new High Def TV Ant...just haven't had the time to put it on the roof yet, was also, was a little concerned about the possibility of lightening hitting one of our houses... I also completely agree with Rons' position on "Cats" Thanks again to all Carl KA9GPX
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK
I have build a repeater using two CDM1250's and a RICK controller. Its the HLNB. I'm wondering if the controller can do CWID. The unit has two RJ11 jacks on it. What are they for? Finally there is a program mode switch on the RICK. What does that do? The repeater is working BTW, I used the DIP switch settings to get it going. I'd really like a CWID function. Thanks -Tim
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Folded Diploles or Vertical antenna/Power Readings
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note that forward power can sometimes read higher than true if there is > more reflected power. Very true. Power coming back down the line is RE-reflected in the transmitter and adds to the forward power, producing an *awesome* forward power reading. > And to answer something that one person came up with a while back, > decreasing the reflected power does not add it to the true radiated power. ...Another way of saying that reflected power does NOT subtract directly from the power that is radiated by the antenna.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
Willis M. Hagler wrote: > I'm not terribly familiar with the nuts & bolts (so to speak) of the > components so was unsure if the various styles of inductors all did > the same thing and I was concerned once I looked and found what > appears to be a pretty radical variance in size of available inductors > all rated at 10 mH. Understand... the question still remains though -- are you connected to Volume/Squelch Hi coming off the MASTR II? There should be very little 455 KHz component there... I think... but there are other places to tap discriminator audio from... and we don't know from the other end of the keyboard here what your exact setup is... unless I missed that somehow too. (GRIN) Nate WY0X
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
Thank you Nate, this is getting mainly to what I wanted to know (and am still interested to know) though. I'm already finished wiring up this controller using the RUS line + a NPN transistor to drive the CAS input on the controller for this particular project. At any rate the education about the inductors is still useful knowledge. I'm not terribly familiar with the nuts & bolts (so to speak) of the components so was unsure if the various styles of inductors all did the same thing and I was concerned once I looked and found what appears to be a pretty radical variance in size of available inductors all rated at 10 mH. Thanks Mark Hagler --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As far as the physical mounting properties of the inductor, that all > depends on whether you're going to try to place the inductor/capacitor > combo somewhere in the controller, somewhere in the MASTR II, or in its > own "box" or similar. > > Nate WY0X >
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
--- On Wed, 6/4/08, Willis M. Hagler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Willis M. Hagler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 5:54 PM > Whoa, where did we get off on voters? > > I asked the question originally based on a conversation I > had with > Pacific Research. I'm using their RI-300e controller > which has been a > solid controller for me on several other repeaters, but > I've never > tried to interface to a Mastr II. With the particular > combination of > a Mastr II and the RI-300e "smart squelch" setup > I find the squelch > action is not working well at all. > > I spoke with Greg (Gregg?) on the phone and he said they > have had > trouble with 455khz coming out of the receiver and throwing > off the > "smart squelch". Their manual also mentions > this: > > http://www.pacres.com/support/manuals/ri-300%20user%20manual%20v3_11.pdf > > On printed page 12 (pdf page 20) it says > > If your discriminator does not > have adequate filtering for 455 kHz, you will have to > provide for this > filtering between the radio and controller. A 10mH > inductor in line with a 1000pF capacitor to ground should > work. You > may need to adjust these values according to the output > impedance of your discriminator. > > So I was proceeding down the path of a 10 mH inductor, and > the > feedback I really wanted from this group is what to do > about this > inductor as I see I can buy either a through-the-hole board > mounted > one that appears to look somewhat like a capacitor, or I > can get a > bunch of windings on a torroid core and make a choke. > I'm pretty new > at this so was asking more for advice along these lines. > > However, it's also very useful to know that the GE > Mastr II UHF > receiver shouldn't be outputting 455khz at all so > I'm still not sure > what the problem is. > > Thanks all, > Mark Hagler > > W7WMH Seattle > > As the Mastr ll does not have an output of 455 but around 9 to 11 MHz that should be a non issue. There is an inductor and capacitor to ground that should eliminate any rf comming out of the volume/squelch high pin that I assume that you are using.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
Willis M. Hagler wrote: > Whoa, where did we get off on voters? > > I asked the question originally based on a conversation I had with > Pacific Research. I'm using their RI-300e controller which has been a > solid controller for me on several other repeaters, but I've never > tried to interface to a Mastr II. With the particular combination of > a Mastr II and the RI-300e "smart squelch" setup I find the squelch > action is not working well at all. Ahh, sorry - my mistake. As far as the physical mounting properties of the inductor, that all depends on whether you're going to try to place the inductor/capacitor combo somewhere in the controller, somewhere in the MASTR II, or in its own "box" or similar. Nate WY0X
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola RICK
Depends on the Model of the RICK you have. The basic rick is pretty much just a logic and audio interface with a number of configuration options. Some of the more advanced RICK like the i20, i50 and other Zetron made (for Motorola) ricks do have provisions for an internal cw id. Depending on the model of rick, some controllers allow the RJ11 jacks to be used for a temporary repeater configuration through a radios mic jack, which includes an internal vox (voice operated ptt) operation. If you have the plain-jane basic rick... probably easy enough to add an external id unit (like an ID O'matic) through the available rear accessory jack and/or paralleling some connections from the rx and tx plugs going to and from the radios. cheers, skipp > "tim_shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am putting together a desktop repeater using CDM1250's > and a Motorola RICK controller. > > I have the system working and repeating fine. > > My question is, can the RICK do CWID? I don't see anyway to set > it up if it can. Also what is the purpose of the PROGRAM button > on the RICK? > > It also has two RJ11 jacks, what are they for? > > The RICK is an HLNB. > > Thanks > > -Tim >
[Repeater-Builder] Re: 455khz filter for Mastr II discriminator audio
Whoa, where did we get off on voters? I asked the question originally based on a conversation I had with Pacific Research. I'm using their RI-300e controller which has been a solid controller for me on several other repeaters, but I've never tried to interface to a Mastr II. With the particular combination of a Mastr II and the RI-300e "smart squelch" setup I find the squelch action is not working well at all. I spoke with Greg (Gregg?) on the phone and he said they have had trouble with 455khz coming out of the receiver and throwing off the "smart squelch". Their manual also mentions this: http://www.pacres.com/support/manuals/ri-300%20user%20manual%20v3_11.pdf On printed page 12 (pdf page 20) it says If your discriminator does not have adequate filtering for 455 kHz, you will have to provide for this filtering between the radio and controller. A 10mH inductor in line with a 1000pF capacitor to ground should work. You may need to adjust these values according to the output impedance of your discriminator. So I was proceeding down the path of a 10 mH inductor, and the feedback I really wanted from this group is what to do about this inductor as I see I can buy either a through-the-hole board mounted one that appears to look somewhat like a capacitor, or I can get a bunch of windings on a torroid core and make a choke. I'm pretty new at this so was asking more for advice along these lines. However, it's also very useful to know that the GE Mastr II UHF receiver shouldn't be outputting 455khz at all so I'm still not sure what the problem is. Thanks all, Mark Hagler W7WMH Seattle --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, understood... but this is a voter, and they're usually designed to > pick off at the discriminator, which can be just about "anything". > > It would seem that even if you didn't filter right at the entrance to > the voter, you'd want your squelch circuit to ONLY look at certain > frequencies and you'd design accordingly. > > I totally understand what you're saying, I just think with a voter, it's > a different thing than a controller. > > Nate WY0X >
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola RICK
I am putting together a desktop repeater using CDM1250's and a Motorola RICK controller. I have the system working and repeating fine. My question is, can the RICK do CWID? I don't see anyway to set it up if it can. Also what is the purpose of the PROGRAM button on the RICK? It also has two RJ11 jacks, what are they for? The RICK is an HLNB. Thanks -Tim
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Folded Diploles or Vertical antenna?
I beg to differ on the PEP vs Average in this instance. On an amplitude varying signal, PEP and AVERAGE are not the same (SSB or a complex amplitude modulating waveform). For FM, however, since FM has a constant amplitude signal, I believe PEP and Average will be the same. Once had a VHF Mastr Pro mobile showing well over 150 watts - a broken antenna connection and infinite (almost) SWR can make a meter read funny - also had a 450 IMTS mobile phone with a broken center conductor that had a very good SWR reading - just not much range - Your Mileage May Vary, and I may be wrong. 73, Steve NU5D Wayne wrote: > Questions can arise here. > First, what kind of wattmeter, with what accuracy level is he using. > Is in an RMS or peak reading unit? > Makes a difference. > Where is he measuring the power. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Folded Diploles or Vertical antenna?
Questions can arise here. First, what kind of wattmeter, with what accuracy level is he using. Is in an RMS or peak reading unit? Makes a difference. Where is he measuring the power. On my Mastr II 440 repeater, I show maybe 105 watts from the PA to a good dummy load. I am using a Bird 43 with a 100 watt UHF slug. Two cans in the TX path (Decibel) and the power drops to about 70 watts. that figures to be about 0.75 Db loss per can. Not sure, but i recall the specs come out to 1.5 Db insertion loss for the model. Lowest insertion loss per can I know of is maybe 0.5 Db per can. I have a pair of VHF Decibel cans, and they can be adjusted from 0.5 to 3.0 Db insertion loss by adjusting the couplers. That is per can. My Motorola Trash Cans are set at 1.0 Db per can (called trash cans because of their size). What is the rated power output of the transmitter in question, and what is the insertion loss. Is there a true reading on the wattmeter? Note that forward power can sometimes read higher than true if there is more reflected power. Supply voltage to the PA can cause higher power output if higher than specs call for. And having a poor match between the unit and the load can make it look like more power. And to answer something that one person came up with a while back, decreasing the reflected power does not add it to the true radiated power. Actually, if you have 100 watts forward reading, and 5 reflected, the actual radiated is more like 95 watts, minus feed line loss. people forget to take feed line loss into account. YMMV Wayne WA2YNE On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:20:40 -0500, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Snipped > You know -- now that he mentions it... > > 120W *AFTER* the duplexer on a four-can set? I don't believe those > numbers work. > > The receivers in the Icom repeaters are not very selective, and they're > quite sensitive. I bet that setup will desense the snot out of itself. > > But curious if I'm wrong... how? > > How much isolation is that Telewave 4-can set at VHF? > > Nate WY0X > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] New Files Available
Hello All, I have SERVICE MANUALS for the following: Johnson 511, 512 (Intermin Service instructions) Johnson 552/553 Industrial Repeater Johnson 949 VHF Community Repeater Operators Manual for GE MASTR Controller and Deskon II Willing to sell for best offer OR If the group can pay shipping BACK, I will pay shipping there for copy and posting on website so long as copyright laws are not broken. Have not checked the R/B web site. Just found this stuff and thought someone might be interested. Also have many SERVICE MANUALS for other older JOHNSON products. Mobile, Handheld, chargers,etc. Same offer. Also, MANY SAMS PhotoFacts for CB radio and Scanners from the 1970-1980 era +/-3 years? I can probably scan small sections if needed. Pics, etc are available, Prices neg. Contact me OFF LIST. KE5TPN AT swbell DOT net Thanks for the previous help! Bruce Bagwell in. Wichita Falls, (Tornado Alley,Texas (Remember April 10, 1979!) I, myself, will never forget it! That is why I am thankful for the Storm Spotters in my Area and plan to be one of the Same in the near future!) You want more proof I'm in Tornado Alley? The Tornados in Moore, OK., BOTH of those,(2 years apart) just missed the house I USED to live in only A few years before! Any wonder why I am thanking the Spotters, and why I want to become one? THANK YOU SKYWARN! (And of course, the HAM's that actually do the dirty work!) By that I mean the Storm SPOTTERS as opposed to the Storm CHASERS who get in the way of the people who really help Bruce Bagwell KE5TPN IRLP Node# 4640
