Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton!

[Mark Holman]

I cannot go have 2 work !  

next 11 days , overtime not really... 

Holiday SKED

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Lou Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dayton!


> Who's going, where to meet!
> 
>>>>LOU<<<
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Morse Code Contest on JAY LENO

[Mark Holman]

I think that someone wanted to up the Arbritron Ratings for us Guys to gawk 
at the show, maybe they need some real brass pounders to show up and blow 
away the competition, if they want a ratings boost how about CW on a HF rig 
an throw some wire up the building and wang a tuner to it and then run 5 
watts some evening  make their jaw drop ...

they need a REAL DEMO...!

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ronny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:04 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Morse Code Contest on JAY LENO


> It is for these guys!  What a show!  I don't think those two kids had
> a bit of a chance!
>
> Did anyone roll tape on that?  A MPEG file uploaded would be really
> appreciated if you did.
>
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> For some of us CW is a very big part of Ham Radio!
>>   - Original Message - 
>>   From: Don Pomplun
>>   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 2:58 PM
>>   Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Morse Code Contest on JAY LENO
>>
>>
>>   apology accepted   ;=)
>>
>>   Morse Code is no longer ham radio related
>>
>>   73,
>>   Don
>>   K2BIO
>>
>>   PS  Jay doesn't show up on QRZ, but maybe that's not his real name.
>>
>>
>>   At 01:54 PM 5/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> SORRY About the off Topic Non ham radio related post , I will
> try and
>> Refrain from this in the Future , it was not My intent to offend
> anyone.
>>
>> 73 Don KA9QJG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> --
>>   Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>> a.. To visit your group on the web, go to:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
>>
>> b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: I need to take 5 volts to 8 volts, andone have a schematic

[Mark Holman]

They used the SAV-17 in a Kenwood TM-241a 2M. mobile also may use it for 5W. 
packet when I get around 2 it .


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: I need to take 5 volts to 8 volts, 
andone have a schematic


> From personal experience,the SAV-17 output brick is unforgiving of any
> high duty cycle use and will die. They are not cheap to replace either.
> And I only use my TMV7A for mobile use. This radio is a poor choice for
> remote base transmitting. I would dig into the radio before the output
> stage and use an external amp rated for cont. duty,such as a MastrII PA
> or similar. Then you would have a killer remote base radio with all the
> features you wanted. 73,Lee,N3APP
>
> Mathew Quaife wrote:
>
>> That was a good point out, never gave that a thought, so now I will
>> just build 4 cor circuits to make them work, that will be easier than
>> trying to make 5 volts jump to 8, can just make a simple 10 or 8 volt
>> COR circuit.  Glad this came back up a 2nd time around.
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>> */Ken Arck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
>>
>> At 08:53 AM 5/11/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>> By the time I find 4 receivers that match, get 4 xtals, then tone
>> boards,
>> the money would be the same, then only for a year later to find I
>> have a
>> channel issue, then to buy another xtal, just change the vfo and
>> I'm done.
>> I agree, you way sounds better, but these are here, and at $200.00
>> a piece,
>> for two receiver's in one box, works out ok for me.
>>
>> <---Oh.. also be advised that the packet jack signals only work
>> for the
>> currently selected band. In other words, you do not have simultaneous
>> access to both rcvrs/xmtrs that way.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> 
>> --
>> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
>> Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories.
>> http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html
>> Come see us at Dayton 2005!
>> We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages!
>> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
>> http://www.irlp.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Converting Use of Duplexer from SingleAntenna to Split Antenna?

[Mark Holman]

a TEE ???

ok when you want both antennas to XMIT & Recieve at the same time a Tee is 
designed for that purpose, but for repeater that will not fly !

My sugguestion the ARRL Handbook and some primer on repeaters, this stuff is 
on the Extra Exam BTW



Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Converting Use of Duplexer from 
SingleAntenna to Split Antenna?


> You would gain much more isolation by separating them vertically. Side
> by side would also mess up the pattern. Not familiar with that
> duplexer,but if it has a Tee at the antenna port,simply remove it and
> connect the two antennas where the Tee was. This >may< throw the tuning
> off some but is worth a try. Why do you feel the need to split the
> antennas? Having desense problems?   73,Lee,N3APP
>
> k3phl wrote:
>
>>Hello all,
>>
>>  I am considering running split antennas at my 220 MHz site in
>>Philadelphia as a test to increase sensitivity and troubleshoot a
>>duplex noise issue.  The machine is currently a modifed Motorola
>>Micor using a TX/RX 4 can duplexer, DCI bandpass filter in the RX
>>leg, and a Comet Super 22 (220) base antenna.
>>
>>  I am considering running separate Super 22 antennas 12 feet apart
>>horizontally.  One feedline run will go from the transmitter direct
>>to the TX antenna.  The other feedline run will run from the receiver
>>to RX port of duplexer, common port of duplexer to 220 bandpass
>>filter and then to the RX antenna.  The TX port of the duplexer will
>>remain unconnected.
>>
>>  I expect the duplexer to act as a 2 can deep notch, eliminating the
>>transmitter from the receiver with the TX port open.  I assume the TX
>>rejection in the receiver line should improve and the resulting RX
>>sensitivity should improve since the transmitter has been reduced to
>>a strong near field instead of RF on the same line.  Is this the
>>correct theory of using a duplexer in a split antenna site and if so,
>>should the TX port be left unconnected or capped with a 50 ohm load?
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Steve
>>K3PHL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Converting Use of Duplexer from SingleAntenna to Split Antenna?

[Mark Holman]

Say Kevin;
  The hard line in question that you have for a single 
antenna ok you also have a duplexer, now you remove the 2 items and use the 
same line for one antenna no problem correct ?

My guess is that the conduit is probably making contact at some point;  just 
as a loose part on a car going down the road creating the static problem 
being heard on HF .  the ice would act as a conductor isolating the static 
or noise problem if someone prefers, a rusty pipe or conduit has the same 
static problem in a mobile vechicle that creates a similar problem taht the 
conduit has for this light beacon.

also the cable that you have near the conduit being I have not seen the 
cable and tower itself.  then the problem tracing the contact point looks 
challenging between insulating and regrounding the pipe for its sheilding I 
presume, or is it pratical to just replace the conduit with PVC ?  if the 
shielding issue is as important to keep the noise being radiated.  ??

I just bought some PVC @ $1.49 per 10 ft. section ( 3/4 inch ) for my HF 
station underground raceway.  just for PH soil and critters protection.

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Custer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Converting Use of Duplexer from 
SingleAntenna to Split Antenna?


>I believe he said he was troubleshooting a duplex noise issue; which
> doesn't necessarily mean desense.  I have a repeater on a commercial
> tower in which AC power (for the light on top) goes up a rusty metal
> conduit.  When the wind blows, the conduit makes duplex noise *if* I'm
> using a common antenna.  If I separate the repeater on two antennas, the
> problem disappears, or, if the tower ices over, it disappears.  Now
> trying to figure out how to keep the tower iced over cheaply during the
> summer months
>
> Kevin
>
> Q wrote:
>
>>You would gain much more isolation by separating them vertically. Side
>>by side would also mess up the pattern. Not familiar with that
>>duplexer,but if it has a Tee at the antenna port,simply remove it and
>>connect the two antennas where the Tee was. This >may< throw the tuning
>>off some but is worth a try. Why do you feel the need to split the
>>antennas? Having desense problems?   73,Lee,N3APP
>>
>>k3phl wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hello all,
>>>
>>> I am considering running split antennas at my 220 MHz site in
>>>Philadelphia as a test to increase sensitivity and troubleshoot a
>>>duplex noise issue.  The machine is currently a modifed Motorola
>>>Micor using a TX/RX 4 can duplexer, DCI bandpass filter in the RX
>>>leg, and a Comet Super 22 (220) base antenna.
>>>
>>> I am considering running separate Super 22 antennas 12 feet apart
>>>horizontally.  One feedline run will go from the transmitter direct
>>>to the TX antenna.  The other feedline run will run from the receiver
>>>to RX port of duplexer, common port of duplexer to 220 bandpass
>>>filter and then to the RX antenna.  The TX port of the duplexer will
>>>remain unconnected.
>>>
>>> I expect the duplexer to act as a 2 can deep notch, eliminating the
>>>transmitter from the receiver with the TX port open.  I assume the TX
>>>rejection in the receiver line should improve and the resulting RX
>>>sensitivity should improve since the transmitter has been reduced to
>>>a strong near field instead of RF on the same line.  Is this the
>>>correct theory of using a duplexer in a split antenna site and if so,
>>>should the TX port be left unconnected or capped with a 50 ohm load?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>K3PHL
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6-m Repeater

[Mark Holman]

I am thinking if that TV cabinet is standard to use in any industry then 
maybe it will work and I'll have to agree with MCH that the TV band stuff 
weather it's  Harris, Gates, etc.. only thing may work is a CH. 2 output and 
some mods. if anyplace else, 3 and up not worth the bother.  let alone money 
spent in parts etc.. Id sell it on a broadcast web site  or a broker may buy 
it.


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "mch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6-m Repeater


> Depending on the channel they are on, they may be totally useless for a
> 6M repeater (aside from the cabinet which was mentioned). Some of the
> components could be useful for a 6M repeater if they are on CHs 2-4, or
> perhaps for a 220 repeater if on CHs 11-13.
>
> All in all, the best course is likely to build (or buy) a repeater made
> from commercial Land Mobile equipment and install it in that cabinet.
>
> Joe M.
>
> Chuck Kelsey wrote:
>>
>> You asked this:
>>
>> I have 3 old TV-translators. Cabinets are 6ft tall. Does anyone know if
>> I could convert any of these parts into one, to build a 6m repeater? Or
>> if anyone else has a need for the translators for parts?
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "kb9zes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 8:27 PM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 6-m Repeater
>>
>> > ---No one said I was going to use the TV Translator as a FM 2 way
>> > repeater. Dah!. Very simple...I take out all the components from the
>> > TV translator, THEN I re-install ALL the components for the 6m
>> > repeater... WaLLah!!!. I Got my self a 6m repeater from a TV
>> > Translator...Thanks for the Smart suggestions Guys!!!
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] antenna's

[Mark Holman]

RG 58/U and both I think was  1/4 to 1/2 wave apart .

I think it may be related to tuning the circuit thru the coax 75 Ohms If I 
recalled, then you tune each Antenna for lowest SWR taking 1 at a time off 
to tune.

and your optimal spacing was same ...

2M. good Q. give it a try .

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Warren Beaulé" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 2:10 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] antenna's


> Someone has told me their is a co-phasing harness
> available for two meters has anyone heard of this. to
> unite two antennas.   In the same way truckers do on
> CB's
> Thanks
>
> __
> Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] The Answer Is: Re: Mystery: Repeater Problem ofthe Month Club.

[Mark Holman]

Say Skipp 025  !

Actually very well thought of,   at least we are not banging heads flam 
throwing etc..  I decided to save that one !

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 12:29 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] The Answer Is: Re: Mystery: Repeater Problem 
ofthe Month Club.


>> "Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> or better yet  I had a trident ltr controller
>> on a uhf system and at times it would lock up
>> my rlc2 controller until i took it off the same
>> power source and used battery power it fixed
>> it..  but the trident controller was holding
>> the rlc controller in weird mode when it would
>> goto ltr channel 3
>>
>
> We have a story, which is pretty much the same
> animal as my described problem.
>
> Moving the one repeater over to another DC Power
> Supply solved the problem. All the original and
> spare equipment repeater hardward combinations
> now function as expected (normal).
>
> The orignal Triplite 40 Amp DC Supply measures
> just what it should. Something related to the
> output impedance, filtering (ESR), glitch or
> HF noise bypassing, grounding or lack of case
> cabinet negative rail grounding, ground loop is
> probably the the described problem source.
> There are two other controllers running off the
> same DC rail, some HF noise or logic glitching
> on the dc rails might be an issue.
>
> The output of many DC Supplies is not grounded
> to the case/cabinet (floating). The Triplite
> negative rail is not grounded to the case/cabinet.
> A loop might have been formed from the negative DC
> lead wire to the rack mounted equipment, which was
> both chassis and frame grounded.
>
> Fix options might include bonding the Triplite
> supply negative rail directly to ground or through
> a large glitch diode. Possibly the supply filter
> capacitors have poor ESR (old and tired) or there
> might (probable) also not be adequate triple
> bypassing. A temp fix might have been to "tack on"
> additional filter capacitors.
>
> We are converting the site over to a Master DC
> Rail Supply System, the repeater hardware made
> the trip a week or two before the planned move.
>
> I suspect the Triplite DC Supply to have aged
> filter caps and marginal noise bypassing. Filter
> Cap ESR can be researched on the web or see the
> Sencore Test Equipment web site. I'll check the
> supply upon full retirement later this month,
> although I don't point the finger completely at
> the above issues as the problem source.
>
> There might be a magic combination of glitches
> on the DC Rail, sourced from one of the other
> controllers or a combination thereof. You may
> want an exact reason, I just wanted to be done
> with the problem and put this gremlin to bed.
>
> The Triplite DC Supply remains operational
> with the other repeaters working 100% as
> expected. Some magic glitch combination is
> formed with this repeater in this rack space,
> on the Triplitte Supply at this moment in
> time after some years of regular operation.
>
> Go figure...
>
> Thanks for all your feedback. I hope the next
> hair-pull problem goes another direction.
>
> cheers,
> skipp
>
> www.radiowrench.com/sonic
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Specialists Antenna

[Mark Holman]

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "kg4ogn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Specialists Antenna


> 
> 
>   Hello All,
> I just "tore down" a tower for someone and was given an antenna that
> was sitting in their garage, did not get any specs on it. The label is
> pretty much disintegrating but it says: Antenna Specialists, Made in
> Ohio USA, Model Number ASPF 701. If anyone is familiar with this
> antenna I would really appreicate it if I could ask you a few
> questions. Thanks, 73.
>   Alexander KG4OGN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] TPL (toilet paper line)

[Mark Holman]

Dawg gone Ken are'nt you a AARP member yet ?  now I can get away ABT saying 
that just turned 50 last week ( snicker ! )


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ken Arck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TPL (toilet paper line)


>
>
>>  Remember Pace?  Vaguely ... think that was the radio that had the
>> built-in microphonic modulator ... yelling at the radio produced
>> recoverable audio at the receiver.
>
> <---Hahahaa, yep that's the one! Man, you ARE an old fart, aren't ya?
>
> But in all fairness, it was only one cheap line they made that had that
> problem. Some of the later stuff was actually starting to be halfway
> decent. Post TPL that is :-)
>
>>  Knowing my 'collection' here I might have a Pace radio - if I
>> find it, I'll ship it to you.  Then you can frame it and hang on
>> the wall.  :)
>
> <--When Pace went belly up, I bought several parts cabinets worth of parts
> from them. Mostly generic stuff (caps, inductors, coils, etc) but to this
> day, I still have several of their PL decks laying around somewhere. Some
> used Spenc's cylindrical resonators and others used a resistive code plug,
> ala Batwing.
>
> Ken
> --
> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
> Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories.
> http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html
> Come see us at Dayton 2005!
> We now offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages!
> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
> http://www.irlp.net
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Specialists Antenna

[Mark Holman]

web site is http://www.antenna.com/  I imagine that they may have someone 
there who would know.


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "kg4ogn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Specialists Antenna


>
>
>   Hello All,
> I just "tore down" a tower for someone and was given an antenna that
> was sitting in their garage, did not get any specs on it. The label is
> pretty much disintegrating but it says: Antenna Specialists, Made in
> Ohio USA, Model Number ASPF 701. If anyone is familiar with this
> antenna I would really appreicate it if I could ask you a few
> questions. Thanks, 73.
>   Alexander KG4OGN
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Micors

[Mark Holman]

ANY Lobanders in that group ?  like 45 thru 50 
Mhz. ? something is up in the air right now being asked indirectly to help out 
when I have very little time right now  seems kinda odd ? for me that 
is.
 
 
Mark Holman[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ab8ru.org 
Life Member  A.R.R.L.
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Don 
  Pomplun 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 12:44 
  PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola 
  Micors
  We have a bunch of Motorola Micor VHF 
  radios just gathering dust.  All were taken out of railroad service, so 
  they operate in the 160 MHz range.  So far I haven't pulled them out to 
  see how clean they are.  I'm first interested in opinions on their 
  general value.  This group seems like a good place to gather such 
  info.I looked at model numbers.  Probably a dozen are 
  R43RTE1190BA  (70 / 12 volt);  other model numbers were 
  R43RTN1190A,  R73RTN3100A & R43RTE1190AA.Do I have a gold mine or 
  a bunch of boat 
  anchors?73Don













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] dtmf, ctcss and pl decoding

[Mark Holman]

Hi;
 I just did a Google Search so here's the link 
http://www.bommeltje.nl/scanners/english/wintone.shtml   looks like an 
interesting site :-)

73

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org Life Member  A.R.R.L.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ralph Mowery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] dtmf, ctcss and pl decoding


>
>
> --- Nick Papadonis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> Is anyone aware of either hardware or software
>> components to decode PL
>> tone, DTMF and CTCSS?  Open source software is
>> preferred.
>>
>> I'm interested creating open source repeater
>> controller software.
>> Uncommon features may include, antenna rotation and
>> frequency agility
>> (using Syntor and xcat interface).
>>
>> Insight appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Nick  KB1GZN Boston, MA
>>
> There was a program called WinTone that would do this.
> Not sure where to find a copy of it on the internet
> now as they seem to have been taken off.  Think the
> last one was version 2.02
>
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Advice Needed

[Mark Holman]

Based on what info. I see here  your 1st. stop is getting a 
subscription to Mission Critical Magazine  http://www.mccmag.com  Its free so you 
cannot lose there sign up on line been a subscriber since 1994 something like 
that . back in the professional directory I am reading from a August 2004 issue 
I had on top of my computer  Diaster Response as lectures & 
presenations web site is http://hometown.aol.com/stuart867   
Stuart Goldstein working in interoperability his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  at least get some 
emergency mgt stuff there.
 
FCC License for commercial stuff you need to go the the fcc website http://www.fcc.gov  plug in commercial 2 
way.  you will need a commercial frequency coordinator to find out where 
they can put the licensee on the right band, any linking weather microwave or 
ROIP  ( Radio Over Internet Protocol ) some of the stuff is leased 
T-1  also you will need if ROIP is some Ham who is IT Degreed and has some 
experience with ROIP or Echolink and if Microwave a GROL with the microwave 
backbone experience.
 
Towers yep a Tessco Catalouge is in order and a freebie there too, also 
Hutchinson has a big catalouge there too,  thing with CA. your freq. is 
probably maxed out and maybe 800 Mhz. Trunking may be the ticket if hills are 
the terrain, also had to check out this site for signal path thru 
Broadcasting  http://www.realcoverage.com its worth 
looking at and weather their software will work O/S Broadcasting I cannot really 
say.
 
but there may be a commercial 2 way software program to give you an idea of 
the coverage the repeaters will generate.
 
Just some stuff off the top of my head.
 
Mark Holman[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ab8ru.org 
Life Member  A.R.R.L.
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 4:17 
  PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice 
  Needed
  
  Please forgive me if this is not the proper place to request this 
  info.  I need to know what has to happen to get licensed for 
  a small UHF repeater in the Santa Clarita, CA area.  
   Here is the reason:
   
  During the record breaking rain in the Los Angeles area last January, the 
  road to DWP's Power Plants One and Two were washed away and the staff was left 
  stranded.  Landline service was out, and the only communication to the 
  plant was through microwave to Mojave.  Unbelievably, the plant operators 
  do not have the ability to speak directly to their patrol trucks from the 
  plant, placing equipment and staff in danger.  My brother is a senior 
  operator at the plant.  He rigged up a Radio Shack 'parrot' on a 2 watt 
  FRS radio, modified a UHF TV antenna and placed it on the roof of the power 
  plant.  The trucks took HT's and were able to give reports and 
  status for the remainder of the emergency.
   
  The department, of course, has a very extensive radio system in 
  place for it's service operations.  The problem is the hydro power 
  generating Plants 1 & 2 are deep in the San Fransquito canyon which can't 
  reach the repeaters, and the radio systems do not allow for simplex operations 
  from the control room.  The issue has been brought up many times 
  with the department, but always takes a low priority and gets lost in the 
  bureaucratic  shuffle.
   
  What they would like to do is establish their own small system, at their 
  own expense, so they will have this missing link.  The city has given 
  them some HT-1000 UHF motorolas, now they would like to get a license and 
  set up a 15 watt base repeater.
   
  Any ideas?  













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Microphone Gain and Deviation

[Mark Holman]

I would attempt to say a noise cancelling mic. something like a SHURE Comm. 
Mic. or  something like they used in Avaition the center slot style forget 
those ugly cheap 11M. mikes ( sledge hammer anyone ?  )  may help the road 
noise.

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Microphone Gain and Deviation


>
> I had a friend who refused to get any closer to the microphone than 12 ". 
> He
> was real difficult to understand due to the low audio level that resulted.
> We turned up the gain in his mobile, but it was still a bit of a problem
> since it then increased the road noise.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 5:43 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Microphone Gain and Deviation
>
>
>
> Best answer I have found for soft spoken folks is the little mic preamp
> board used in some of the old GE Phoenix and MVS radios.  Little single
> stage amp that operated from bias on the mic line.
> I usually set the deviation limit for voice at 4.0 Khz. And allow a little
> for tone/dcg.
> NEVER EVER USE THE TRANSMITTER DEVIATION CONTROL TO MAKE UP FOR LACKING 
> MIC
> GAIN.  A soft spoken person may need a mic preamp, or a more sensitive
> microphone.  Beware of excessive mic gain competing with ctcss and causing
> drop or talk down.  A small swamping resistor might be in order.  Wish
> Helper still made the modulation density meter.
> SOP is to set a tone gen at around 50 mv or enough to fully modulate the
> transmitter, and then set the deviation limit to around +/- 4.0 Khz @ 1000
> Hz. Tone.  Using the IDC to boost mic gain will lead to overmodulation and
> clipping out of the pass band of the receiver, not to mention the joy you
> will bring to your adjacent channel neighbors.
> 2 cents and 30 years,
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Audio limiting on incoming signals

[Mark Holman]

Yeah may help the audio especially when you get some person who tends to 
talk like he's has to scream which I know happens on one repeater I know 
surprised the repeater does not clip his audio or something.

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org

- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin King" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 7:56 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Audio limiting on incoming signals


>
>
>
> Orban Optimod !  gota love it..
>
> Kevin King SCSA BSCIS
> ARS KC6OVD
> GMRS KAG0378
> EIEIO 2722
> Acworth Georgia
>
>
>
>
>  3. Get a CBS Volumax or Orban broadcast audio processor for your TX
> audio.  We use the latter for space shuttle audio over our repeater & it
> really improves intelligibility.
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need Kenwood TK-780 repeater controllerhookup

[Mark Holman]

I seen in a computer mag called Maximum PC a article on a liquid cooled PC , 
I do know your RF Amp on Broadcast Gear has a cooling pump, but I like that 
idea of a pumpless cooling system, I think if someone wanted to experiment 
with the same technology as a Solar heating system, maybe some engineering 
someone could design such a system.  just some thoughts there.  and be 
Energy Star compliant ???

Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org <--- My New Web Site 03/31/2005


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave VanHorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need Kenwood TK-780 repeater 
controllerhookup


>
>
>>
>>Power would have to be reduced in lock to talk
>>(repeater) applications and a decent small blower
>>across the tx radio
>
>
> I was cruising through fry's yesterday, and I wondered
> Has anyone ever liquid-cooled a repeater?
>
> The Koolance Exos system looks pretty easy to apply, the only hard
> part would be adapting an existing amplifier to use their waterblock.
>
> I have a Koolance machine here, that has run with ZERO failures in three 
> years.
> For me, that's very unusual. My machines tend to run heavily loaded,
> and run 24/7, so I normally expect an HD, motherboard, CPU, or power
> supply failure every 3-6 months.
>
> The new Koolance HD cooler looks like you could apply it against an
> amplifier pretty easily.
> The old one used thermally conductive "goop" that you poured all over
> the electronics in your HD, then put the cooler block onto.
> This is how the two drives in this machine are done, they run so cool
> you'd never think they are on.
>
> A key element of course, would be a 12VDC pump, which this unit apparently 
> has.
> http://www.xoxide.com/koalex.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

[Repeater-Builder] Repeater Builder: info. on tone board OEM

[Mark Holman]

Anyone have info. who would buy up the PL or CTCSS 
boards for Standard / Heathkit and other parts ?, I know this is off subject but 
thought to ask.
 
Mark Holman[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ab8ru.org <--- My New Web Site 
03/31/2005
 
 













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Band antenna

[Mark Holman]

As to that heavier Heat shrink some Electrical supply places & HD truck 
dealerships sell the short  sleeves . the el cheapos at discount places are 
not worth a tin hoot  .. 3M makes really good stuff & places like NAPA is 
one source for #12 ball park shrink, maybe the HD Truck places the Rice 
sleeves are thin and split under heat.

just my 3 cents worth ( upped a penny due 2 inflation  ! )


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org <--- My New Web Site 03/31/2005


- Original Message - 
From: "Bob Dengler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Band antenna


>
> At 4/10/2005 05:54 PM, you wrote:
>
>>At 04:20 PM 4/10/05, you wrote:
>>
>> >Hi all
>> >   Does anyone know if a dual band antenna for 144/220 is available. .
>> >If so who makes it?
>> >Thanks in advance
>> >Mike
>>
>>Mobile, base or mountaintop repeater (i.e. bad weather) ?
>>
>>Mobile, well, take your pick.
>>
>>Base, look at Diamond or Comet, but use some of the
>>self-gluing heat shrink (CATV style) around the joints.
>>Do a web search at www.repeater-builder.com (the
>>search function is just above the main menu) for CANUSA.
>>
>>Repeater - there is only one decent dual band commercial
>>grade antenna that I have found, and it's a compromise...
>>the DB 314 is essentially a 8 UHF dipoles (a DB-408, 6.6db
>>gain) and 4 high band dipoles (half of a DB-304, 3.2db) on
>>the same mast, made with separate harnesses.  You can
>>use separate feedlines or a TX-RX commercial grade diplexer
>>and one feedline.
>
> He's talking 2 meters & 220, not 2/440.
>
> Comet's has a tri-band (2, 220 440) CX-333 base antenna that I use for a
> 220 system only (serves as backup for a GP9 that the 2 meter & 440 systems
> use).  It seems to do well on 220.  Definitely better than an Isopole,
> which was our first antenna at the site.
>
>
>>The DB314 or the 408/204 combination is NOT cheap, but
>>quality antennas never are.  You can, however, plan on
>>amortizing it over 20+ years.  How many Diamonds or Comets
>>would you have bought over that time period?
>
> If installed in SoCal, 1.  Maybe 2.  If installed at Pike's Peak, maybe 
> 300.
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] I found a new Ham Radio Auction Site

[Mark Holman]

It seems that there is only a few items there 
so far.  
 
any idea what country this is located 
?
 
 
Mark Holman[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ab8ru.org <--- My New Web Site 
03/31/2005
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ian wells 
  
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 9:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] I found a 
  new Ham Radio Auction Site
  
  remember to add .com after it 
  Thank youIan WellsKerinvale 
  Comaudiomail service 1017,Biloela,4715.www.kerinvalecomaudio.com.au
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: 07 April, 2005 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] I found 
a new Ham Radio Auction Site
i guess you never saw this part of that site if you 
wanted to sell but buying should be a breezeKeith 
Va3kmc  Second Category Fee 0.25 USDAdditional Pictures 
Fee 0.10 USDHighlighted Items Fee 0.50 USDBold Items Fee 0.50 
USDCategory Featured Items Fee 1.00 USDHome Page Featured Items Fee 
9.95 USDReserve Price Fee 2.00 USDBuy-it-now Fee 0.10 USDWanted 
Ad Setup Fee 1.00 USDStore Setup Fee 7.95 USD - recurring, every 30 
day(s)End of Auction Fee From 0.01 USD to 5.00 USD 
5.00% From 5.00 USD to 10.00 USD 4.50% From 10.00 USD to 
50.00 USD 4.00% From 50.00 USD to 250.00 USD 3.00% From 
250.00 USD to 1,000.00 USD 2.50% From 1,000.00 USD to 
AboveI was looking for an alternative to EBAY and I found this 
site. Onlyfor amateur radio.It is new only been up a few days. But, 
I like the way it looks, and Ilisted some items. Didn't cost me anything 
to list, so I figured whatcan I lose. I noticed it is a secure server, 
so didn't have to worryabout that.I thought everyone else might like 
to know about it.It has a section for Repeaters and Repeater 
Parts.www.ventureauctions. Yahoo! 
Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go 
to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2 meter repeater

[Mark Holman]

You will need to get in touch with the Repeater Frequency Coordinators, they 
probably will hold a meeting after the IRA ham swap in Hudsonville, MI. in 
june BTW they are somewhere in process of clearing out files of   " PAPER 
REPEATERS " that was back in 2004 .

I attended 1 meeting . and thats all.


Mark Holman
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ab8ru.org <--- My New Web Site 03/31/2005


- Original Message - 
From: "mch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2 meter repeater


>
> Contact MiARC and see if there are any frequencies available.
> <http://www.miarc.com>
>
> Joe M.
>
> ken_wlter wrote:
>>
>> I would like to put a repeter up in the Ann Arbor, MI area.  What would 
>> be a good way
>> to start?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> kd8aoz
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] leak proof connector :)

[Mark Holman]

Did he happen to have a 11 Meter Radio by chance ?  sounds like on of them 
self proclaimed Golden Screwdriver Technicians.


Mark Holman
mark.holman at talkamerica dot net

- Original Message - 
From: "Brent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] leak proof connector :)


>
> Here is one to get you all going !
>
> I Had a guy install a antenna for me at one of my sites.
> Guess what he did when he hooked the jumper from the antenna to the
> hardline. ? ? ? ?
> The Guy Used teflon tape on the darn connectors.., it screwed me all up.
> Just thought I would pass that along, I asked him if he had tape and all 
> the
> needed tools he said Yes  NEXT time i will look, not ask the first
> time..(obvioulsy he has climbed before but think he was just a nut and 
> bolt
> holder)
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.1 - Release Date: 3/23/2005
>
> ---
> [This E-mail scanned for viruses at TNWEB LLC]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Digests and stuff (THE LATE FRED DEEG?)

[Mark Holman]

Before ya blow yer gasket here is absolute truth ..

I have a cousin with same Full name !  only he was born in Ohio & me in 
Michigan  doesn't that  really blow your mind !


Mark Holman
mark.holman at talkamerica dot net

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 1:11 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Digests and stuff (THE LATE FRED DEEG?)




Ya Fred Loyde (I think thats how you spell the webmaster name of
QRZ.com) and I had a falling out and I asked him to DE-LIST me. If you
click on the FCC info button it will take you to the FCC database on
me there you find me located in Santa Monica, CA.

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Yes, so sorry to say, he has passed on.
>
>   April QST, Silent Key Column - page 96 ...
>
>   I called his widow Marsha to confirm.
>
>   Todays NewsLine has a writeup on it.
>
>   I have enclosed it for you ...
>
>
>   wa6itf wrote:
> >
> > Amateur Radio NewslineT Report 1441 -  March 25th, 2005
>
>   ... snip ...
>
> > **
> >
> > THE CHANGING OF THE GUARD:  FRED DEEG, N6FD - S.K.
> >
> > Anyone who was licensed in the 1960's and 70's when the first
> > off-shore ham gear started to show up in the U-S market may well
> > remember the name Fred Deeg and the call sign N6FD.  Fred, the former
> > K6AEH,  was among the very first to represent  radio giants like
> > Standard, Kokosai and Yaesu.  He was responsible for bringing the
> > first Standard Radio built ham radio band only 2 meter H-T to the
> > United Sates in the late 1960's.  And it was during his tenure
> > Yaesu that he coined the advertising catch phrase "The Radio."
> > This is a term that Yaesu's current parent corporation -- 
> > Vertex-Standard -- still occasionally uses in some advertising today.
> >
> > Fred was also an FM and repeater pioneer in the Los Angeles area.
> > Back in the 1960's with the Pallisades Amateur Radio Club of Culver
> > Citry, he helped to establish the famed 146.61 MHz system that he
> > nick-named the "good-guy machine."  And in the 1980's he put together
> > the Ham Master Tie System which was one of the nations earliest 220
> > MHz interlinked repeater networks.  He also helped to organize the
> > funding for the California deligation that flew to Washington for the
> > meeting that lead the FCC to do away with much of the restrictive
> > repeater over-regulation of the middle-1970's.
> >
> > A few years ago, Fred retired.  He and his wife Marsha, WA6CUF,
> > retired to Anacortes, Washington where Fred died on Christmas Day,
> > 2004, after succumbing to cancer of the esophagus.   It was not until
> > the curerent issue of QST carried his name and call in the Silent Keys
> > column that his friends world-wide learned of his passing.  Fred was
> > only age 60 and will be missed.  (WA6KLA, K7VC, WA6ILQ, others)
> >
> > **
>
>
>   BTW, I looked you up on  www.qrz.com  a few minutes ago
>  "KD6GDB ... Not listed by QRZ"  just to see where you are located.
>
>   I was a member of the original Palisades ARC many years ago ...
>  before I relocated to Oregon in 1976.
>
>   Fred built the original 146.61 MHz in / 147.33 MHz out repeater
>  (later became the 146.01/146.61 MHz).  He built the first repeater
>  out of Motorola tube receiver and transmitter strips from my garage.
>
>   That was way before the club bought the new (then) Motorola Micor
>  repeater.
>
>   73,
>
>   Neil McKie - WA6KLA
>
>
>
> Jeff wrote:
> >
> > Did I read this correctly "The Late Fred Deeg"? I hope not. That's
> > weird because over the past three days I have been thinking about him.
> > I wondered how he was doing as I have not talked to him in years. I
> > looked up N6FD on Goggle and found Fred Deeg and associate out in
> > Anacortes, WA (My old stomping grounds).I was surprised to see that he
> > had been in business out there for over twenty years now.
> >
> > I learned almost everything I know about being a "repeater mogul" from
> > Fred Deeg. Every Saturday morning I would look forward to the time
> > spent at the "Crusty old mans repeater group - My alternate smart-ass
> > name for Fred and all of his old friends of the HAMS repeater club"
> > (Hilltop Armature Masteries System) at Fred's Garage in Marina Del
> > Rey, California. I was a young smart-ass kid with little or no respect
> > for him or his group. I didn't even have a ham radio licensee b

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex VXR-7000 battery backup

[Mark Holman]

Wouldn't it be much simpler to charge the battery 
B4 installing it ?  playing safe that way 
 
Mark Holmanmark.holman at talkamerica dot net

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Per Molund 
  
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 8:42 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Vertex 
  VXR-7000 battery backup
  We have recently accuired a Vertex VXR-7000 repeater for 70 cm 
  ham service and planned to hook it up to our site battery backup system (~650 
  Ah with dedicated charger). However the repeater manual states "Never 
  reapply AC power to the repeater with a discharged battery connected, as the 
  DC startup current can damage the repeater and battery". Does anyone 
  know if the repeater trickle charger can be disabled? The minimal manual 
  included with the repeater doesn't tell.regards,---per 
  













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hyper Terminal

[Mark Holman]

They did enclose that w/ windows O/S es as part of 
the package deal unless there is something extra I don't know 
about.
 
 
Mark Holmanmark.holman at talkamerica dot net

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  K. 
  Venkataramanan 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:35 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hyper 
  Terminal
  HiHyperterm is available for download for 
  atftp://ftp.hilgraeve.com/htpe/htpe63.exeIt is free 
  personal users.VenkataramananAt 12:54 PM 20/03/2005, you 
  wrote:
  Is it a download from the MS web 
site?If so, what is the url ?MikeAt 11:01 PM 3/19/05, 
you wrote:>Don,>>We have several PC's that use 
HyperTerminal for communications to other>equipment. we have had a 
lot of problems using HyperTerminal until we>install the latest 
release. This is the one from Microsoft. They have>cleaned up a lot 
of the problems that the earlier versions had. The new>release is 
good for Windows 98 and above.>>We have not had a single 
problem with the new release. We are using it on 98>and 98SE, NT 4.0 
SP4 and SP6, 2000, 2000 Pro and XP Pro.>>Every machine now 
works and all of the problems that we had are gone.>>Charles 
Miller>>- Original Message ->From: "Don" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: 
>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 
2005 11:21 AM>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hyper 
Terminal>>> >> >> > I have a 
Digital audio recorder that is Programmed by the PC But I did> > 
see this Note, The device may not Program Properly with the> > 
HyperTerminal program that comes with Microsoft Windows all 
versions,> > So the question I have What else is around that I 
could try, Any info> > will be greatly appreciated.> 
>> > Thanks Don KA9QJG> >> >> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> 
>> >> >> >> >> 
>> >> >> 
>Yahoo! 
Groups 
Links Yahoo! 
Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go 
to:    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/<*> 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:    
[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of 
Yahoo! Groups is subject to:    http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- 
No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG 
Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 
15/03/2005
  
  

  No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG 
  Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 
  15/03/2005













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Recommendation or info

[Mark Holman]

I had a freind fellow ham who found some of the classic B battries and stuff 
somewhere in Chicago, IL. if the unit has a battery supply of some sort but 
I am guessing standard 120 VAC

just my 3 cents worth, cost reflected due 2 inflation.

Mark Holman
mark.holman at talkamerica dot net
have you reformatted your hard drive lately ?


- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Recommendation or info


>
>
>  Yup.  I bought it at a swapmeet a few years ago for $0.50 ... then
> since, a couple more for a dollar or so.
>
>  The only problem I've had with it was the 1.5 volt 'D' cell went
> dead one time.
>
>  Yea toobs ...
>
>  Neil - WA6KLA
>
>
> skipp025 wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, but your VTVM is worth a lot more with the
>> vintage audio/test crowd because it has "toobs"
>> inside.
>>
>> All that former dumster stuff is again worth big
>> loot with the retro tube audio crowd.
>>
>> cheers Neil,
>>
>> skipp
>>
>> >  Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >   Like my Heath-kit VTVM.
>> >
>> >   Neil - WA6KLA
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

[Mark Holman]

Say Joe;
 Doesn't the sheilding have to be critical?, I don't have a spec 
manual of any sort but If you bought the coax  of a brand like Belden for 
example the specs will be there.

Just curious.

Mark Holman
mark.holman at talkamerica dot net
have you reformatted your hard drive lately ?


- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna


>
>
> --- Laryn Lohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Al Wolfe"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've always thought "good quality RG-8X" was
>> an oxymoron.
>> >
>> > < use good quality RG-8X type cable for>
>> >
>> > Al, K9SI
>>
>> Right Al, an oxymoron especially when used in duplex
>> service.  Any
>> braided coax used in duplex service should be silver
>> plated braid.
>>
>> Message 48346 from just a couple of days ago spells
>> out some of the
>> grief to be found when using RG-8X or any other
>> non-silver plated
>> cable in duplex service.  Good job Bob!
>>
>> Laryn K8TVZ
>
> I would mostly agree with this statement, but the
> person asking about this is looking for answers that
> will work in a specific application. I have used RG-8X
> and even RG-58 with excellent results in duplex
> systems, especially when the power is relatively low.
> I suppose the thing to do would be to use a DB-420 and
> 7/8 inch heliax, but this would be impractical for
> most mobile/portable repeater setups.
>
> There are lots of possiblities of things that could
> work for this application, I am only speculating on
> one thing that I personally know will work, not saying
> it is the best, or most desireable, but something that
> could be looked at for this particular scenario.
> Quarter inch or half inch superflex would work too,
> just don't know how much money a person has to invest
> in a particular project.
>
> People that are contemplating a project need to be
> given some direction by people who have done similiar
> things, that way everyone doesn't have to "re-invent
> the wheel". The more ideas people are given, the
> better they are able to asess which will fit their
> needs best. When someone categorically says "that
> won't work" I'm often first in line to see if it will
> (or won't).
>
> Joe
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna

[Mark Holman]

unless you wanna make your own like I did once took and bought a pipe flange 
to fit a TV mast into, and screwed the flange on to a 2 X 4  board.  I put a 
temp station up back in my 11 M. days used it as a base relay with a Mag III 
Base ant  during a river race of a 25 to 30 mile stretch . for creativity I 
had some really jealous people who could not be creative starting to well 
started to get bad mouthed... oh well..  :-)

Mark Holman
mark.holman at talkamerica dot net
have you reformatted your hard drive lately ?


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Perryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna


>
> Bob,
> For a portable mast I would suggest going to your local RV center and 
> asking
> about one of their portable flag poles.  It has a small base approx. 12 x 
> 14
> inches (place it on the ground and drive your tire onto it), and a
> telescoping mast that locks into place with "push-pins".  We used one at 
> the
> pentagon for the 911 mess, and it worked out quite well.  Not terribly
> expensive, about 20 ft tall extended, about 6 foot collapsed.  Fairly
> rugged, and the base plate detaches for storage.
>
> 73's
> Mike Perryman
> www.k5jmp.us
>
> -Original Message-
> From: rtoplus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 6:25 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: portable/mobile GMRS repeater antenna
>
>
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe Montierth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Something you might look at would be one of the
>> lightweight fiberglass base station antennas made by
>> Antennex, Maxrad, etc. These only weigh about 4 or 5
>> pounds, you could also get several 6ft sections of
>> telescopic aluminum tubing to support it, much less
>> weight and size than the TV masting. For a short run
>> of cable like that, you could probably use good
>> quality RG-8X type cable for less weight and good
>> storability.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>
> Thanks Joe...Your comments and suggestions are kinda getting to the
> crux of the info and recommendations I'm looking for.  I think you
> grasp the idea.  Portability, storability, ease of deployment and
> dis-mantling/moved/re-deployed, simplicity of setup (could be very
> dark/rainy/snowy/windy/etc. with the best possible coverage is the
> idea.  I currently have one of the comtelco fiberglas base
> antennasdon't remember the model or specs but it's about 4' tall
> and couldn't weigh more than about 3 or 4 pounds tops.
>
> I'm not familiar with the aluminum telescopic stuff you're referring
> toany idea where this could be gotten and could it be stowed on
> my luggage rack ok?  Course, cost is a factor.
>
> I'm just trying to do as much as I can for emergency services/Red
> Cross/ARES/CERT/you name it in my area.
>
>
> Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Programming PL on a CAT-1000 controller

[Mark Holman]

Any bugs in the software ?
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike - WM4B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 4:03 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Programming PL on a CAT-1000 controller


> 
> 
> 
> Greetings all, 
> 
> I've recently joined up with our club repeater guru and I'm trying to 
> get smart. 
> 
> We need to set a temporary PL for some troubleshooting efforts (we 
> have a mixing problem which causes the repeater to kerchunk itself 
> continously when the transmitter output mixes with some other (as yet 
> unknown) signals. Can somebody step me through this? The book only 
> mentions PL back in the remote-base section, which confuzes me a bit. 
> 
> At any rate, we want to set the PL to 82.5 Hz, and it MUST NOT be 
> retransmitted (or our troubleshooting efforts will be moot). 
> 
> To make things more interesting, the last time our repeater guru went 
> to the site, he could not send or receive data between the controller 
> and his laptop. (He was able to log in, but could not send/receive 
> data.) 
> 
> Any thoughts? The last repeater I worked oin was only slightly more 
> complicated then two native-americans sending smoke signals back and 
> forth. 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Mike 
> WM4B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmit Problems Solved

[Mark Holman]

I have monitored over here on the West Mi area that same stuff going on 
however there is a limits alomg that coridoor that they limit the power and 
I am glad I am west of that line myself.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Transmit Problems Solved


>
> Running vhf and uhf repeaters along the Great Lakes has taught me some
> new things. I woke up one summer morning listening to a Michigan
> repeater on my vhf frequency on my handheld beside my bed. Tried to key
> up my repeater 40 feet away and couldnt even hear it! Could however hold
> a conversation on the distant repeater,wild tropo! Also notice local
> propagation go from super to dead depending on the layering along the
> southern Erie lakeshore. Now if I could just get uhf reliable across
> lake Erie-yeah,right! Also,heard the LDE on 10 meters from here some 28
> years ago,impressive! 73,Lee,N3APP
>
> Bob Dengler wrote:
>
>>At 1/30/2005 07:11 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I wish to say thanks to all who replied on my issue with the transmit
>>>problems.  After looking at everything on the repeater, it has
>>>cleared itself up.  I talked with a few other repeater owner's, and
>>>it seems that everyone was suffering.  We have related it to weather
>>>and propagation.  The last two days everything has been back to
>>>normal, repeater is heard it's normal range.  Why the recieve was not
>>>affected is strange, but it works out that way.  Again Thanks.
>>>
>>>Mathew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>While I've not experienced this myself, I've had hams in the Ventura/Santa
>>Barbara area tell me that they've witnessed signals from line-of-sight
>>systems simply go away at times.  That area is highly influenced by tropo
>>ducting, so maybe there is a connection - if ducts can steer RF into areas
>>far beyond line-of-sight, maybe they can also steer signals AWAY from
>>normal line-of-sight areas?
>>
>>I have no explanation as to why your RX wasn't affected unless the same
>>tropo conditions steered away the atmospheric noise that normally 
>>dominates
>>2 meters; with both signal & noise reduced the overall S/N change at your
>>low noise RX would be minimal.  This would be quite an interesting study
>>for anyone interested in VHF propagation & radiometry.
>>
>>Bob NO6B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel DB212-3

[Mark Holman]

Paul;
 
 Memory serves me i think 
its a 1/2 wave length of coax  the 462 / f. in Mhz. and may be 50 ohm like 
RG 59/U I think .
 
both must be uncoiled. and antennas on that config I believe is 1/2 Wave 
apart.
 
M. H.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Paul Finch 
  
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 5:01 
  PM
  Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Decibel 
  DB212-3
  
  I have a couple of these antennas I am 
  going to change to 6 meters.  One is going to be mounted on a 48 inch 
  solid rod tower, the other will be on a 14 inch tower.  Does anyone have 
  the specs on how they will work on the different size towers?  I am 
  wanting a omni-directional pattern.
   
  Also, has anyone ever lengthened one to 10 
  meters?  I cut it off three times and it's still to short!  Just 
  kidding there.  Where can I find the info on the phasing 
  harnesses?
   
  Paul
  WB5IDM
   
   
   
  
-Original Message-From: Dave Baughn 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 10:36 
AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: 
[Repeater-Builder] Decibel DB212-3
According to the NAB Engineering Handbook, the gain of a stacked dipole 
array peaks at just below one wavelength spacing (about 0.9 to 0.95). I 
wouldn't go to 1 1/4, the gain will suffer some. If you try to maintain 0.9 
wave (about 16' 8") and a tower member or something gets in the way, 
just go a little wider to clear it. The effect will be minimal. The 
aperture of the array is the main factor in determining the gain. One 
wavelength works out to about 18' 7" and appears to be what DB is suggesting 
and will work fine.
 
My experience with broadcast antennas and repeaters confirms the above 
theory.
 
Dave BaughnDirector of EngineeringThe University of 
AlabamaCenter for Public Television and RadioBox 
870150Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487205.348.8622 cell 205-310-8798NEW 
EMAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]>>> 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 08:37AM >>>
I'm making preparation to 
install a Decibel model DB212-3 antenna. The antenna is a 
3-element folded dipole and it has been modified for the ham band. The 
antenna pattern is directional so I will be mounting the dipoles on a single 
tower leg. The tower face is 5-feet, leg diameter is 5 inch. What is 
the optimum center to center vertical spacing of the element for 53.47/52.47 
Mhz ? The db spec sheet says anywhere between 3/4 on 1 1/4 wavelength 
and suggest 19 ft. center to center at 50 Mhz. Anybody got any 
experience with this ? As always thanks for your help.
 
Jeff Corkren/W5PPB
Raymond, 
Mississippi













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Starting out with a Mastr II

[Mark Holman]

Getting a Key probably some Tech may help you there I know that Mot uses 
Chicago Lock a dual cut like a ford key you may get lucky and secure a copy 
for a resonable price. Its worth a call.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:03 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Starting out with a Mastr II


>
>
>
> Hello group,
> I have just purchased a GE Mastr II low band radio to start off my 
> experimenting with some of the available commercial radios and the 
> possibility of one day building a repeater on 2m or 440.  I am a tinkerer 
> at heart and would rather build my own stuff than buy it so I'm hoping I 
> will fit in here.  From what I have read, MAstr II's are as good a 
> starting place as any and offer some good options for what you can do.  I 
> am also looking at tinkering with a Motorola in the future, but for now 
> it's a GE to start with.  Hope that was a good choice.
>
> My goal at first is to get the thing operational on 52.525 to use simplex 
> mobile.  This should give me some experience with the radio and its 
> internal workings, tuning, and general operation.  I have purchased the 
> bare radio on Ebay as you can see here: 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3868675552
> I figure the $25 bucks is worth tinkering with it some.  Hopefully it has 
> the ICOMs in it since it's locked.
>
> Here's the questions I have:
> 1)Am I going to have to find a key before I can even check this thing out 
> or is there a way to get inside without it?
> 2) I am on the lookout for a mike, cables, and control head for this thing 
> now.  Are they all the same for the different Mastr II's like the VHF, 
> UHF, low band or am I going to have to find one specifically for 50 MHz?
> 3) Where can I find more info about this whole ICOM thing?  I understand 
> that they are housings for crystals, but can I just order the right 
> crystals and replace them in these housings?  This whole 2C 5C EC thing is 
> confusing.  Maybe this will all make sense when I eventually get my hands 
> on the radio.
>
> Thanks guys, hope these aren't stupid questions.  As this is my first 
> attempt at working with any "non ham" radio off the shelf I need a lot of 
> help.  I did a search on this list for any info on the Mastr II and didn't 
> come up with much specific info.  The repeater builder site has useful 
> information, but some of it is over my head right now and assumes some 
> general knowledge about some things that i just don't know yet.
>
> Joe
> KG4WMP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic: Looking for a job?

[Mark Holman]

No Thanks either ..  too many people living short lives over there between 
kidnapping, and brutal murder over there I would rather live here and live 
as long as I can.

as Jimmy Cricket used to sing.. " I'm no fool nosiree, I am gonna live to be 
103 ( maybe longer !! ) "...

MAH

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 1:32 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Off Topic: Looking for a job?


>
> As many of you know, I've been looking for permanent
> employment for a while (10+ years in computer
> networks integration / administration / support).
>
> I received this in email from a friend and I don't
> think I'll be applying...
>
> The $35 per day per diem raises the salary to over
> $4300/mo or $52,000/yr...
>
> If I was single and in my twenties... it'd be tempting...
> No taxes makes the resident equivalent to over $62k per
> year (assuming 20% taxes, most folks pay more).
>
> >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 05:39:36 -0800
> >
> >  Looking for a new job?
> >
> >>
> >> This was being posted on other 911 related groups.
> >>
> >>
> >>> AREA SUPPORT GROUP-KUWAIT EMERGENCY SERVICES DISPATCHER
> >>>
> >>> CSA Ltd., A Department of Defense Contract in Kuwait currently has
> >>> the following position open. For more information on CSA Ltd. visit
> >>> http://www.csakuwait.com/
> >>>
> >>> POSITION TITLE: Emergency Services Dispatcher
> >>>
> >>> DEPARTMENT/BRANCH: Fire and Emergency Services/Operations
> >>>
> >>> LOCATION: Camp Arifjan, Kuwait
> >>>
> >>> SALARY: Approximately $44,000.00 (TAX FREE)
> >>> $35.00 a day Foreign Area Living Allowance (TAX FREE)
> >>>
> >>> OTHER BENEFITS: Free housing, use of car pool vehicles, 4 weeks
> >>> vacation, Free flight to Germany after 6 Months. CSA Ltd. will pay
> >>> for your flight to Kuwait. CSA Ltd. will provide you with a free
> >>> flight to your home of record after the completion of 1 year
> >>> contract. Dispatchers work an average of 8 hours of over time each
> >>> week with additional over time available from time to time.
> >>> Experience the Middle East culture. Protect Those Who Defend America.
> >>>
> >>> JOB SUMMARY: The Emergency Services Dispatcher manages requests for
> >>> services, makes independent decisions and conveys information
> >>> regarding the dispatch of emergency services to the scene of an
> >>> emergency. Prioritizes, initiates and coordinates the response of
> >>> public safety agencies; manages the flow of incident related
> >>> information to and from field units and/or public safety resources;
> >>> monitors status of field units and assigns additional resources as
> >>> requested and/or required.  Acquires information from citizens and
> >>> other entities requesting public safety services or assistance.
> >>> Establishes verbal communications with a service requester, extracts
> >>> pertinent information, and analyzes information provided by a
> >>> service requester. Assess incomplete, conflicting or inconclusive
> >>> information or data, evaluate, categorize and prioritize service
> >>> request and convey instructions, information and direction to the
> >>> service requester. Monitor status of resources and determine units
> >>> for deployment; initiate deployment of response units. Evaluate
> >>> incident information so that an appropriate response is determined
> >>> and resources allocation can be prepared. Maintain location and
> >>> status of units so that the current availability, status and safety
> >>> of all deployable resources are known. Operates computerized digital
> >>> fire alarm receiving equipment and two-way radio communications
> >>> equipment. Monitor public safety radio systems, electronic data
> >>> systems and alarm systems. Analyze, classify and summarize data for
> >>> dispatch or referral.
> >>>
> >>> EDUCATION/EXPERIENCE: Requires certification or formal training in
> >>> emergency services telecommunications with the ability to obtain
> >>> Department of Defense certification. Requires two years if full time
> >>> experience in an organized emergency services communications
> >>> department, call taking and dispatching police, fire and EMS.
> >>> Ability to analyze, classify and summarize data and information for
> >>> dispatch. Individual must be familiar with the use of computers used
> >>> in the process of dispatcher emergency services. Mental alertness,
> >>> conscientious, dependable, team player and ability to work alone and
> >>> with others required. Position requires excellent communications
> >>> skills in English, both verbal and written. Individual must be able
> >>> to handle multiple dissimilar functions.
> >>>
> >>> To apply please file out an application at http://www.csakuwait.com/
> >>> in the CSA Careers tab and send a cover letter and resume' to Chief
> >>> Steven McDonnell at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
> >>> For more information or general inquiries contact Dispatcher Jeremie
> >>> Meyer at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham!

[Mark Holman]

Come on gang !!
  Can't we all get along !  I am really just 
hitting the delete key on this Rage of finger pointing.

the thing is just email each other and please take this off list !

Thanks !

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Robichaux" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham!


>
>>I have called today and talked to you today when you answered the
> phone. Your response when I identified myself was a customer
> reassuring, "You're the last person I want to talk to today". I asked
> for Mr. Cook, as I was returning his call to me. I told him I was not
> paying for his wife's error on shipping cost and he hung up on me.
> Great customer service, I must say.
> Thanks again Dean.
> Dave, K5EYP
>>
>>
>> Original Message 
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] A bad Ham!
>>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:03:25 EST
>>
>>>Dave and the group,
>>>I am sorry that this guy will not answer his  phone
>>>I have tried to call him by phone. I will not  reply
>>>to any more of this on the list. Dave if you are
>>>a man and would like to call me direct my number  is
>>>856-881-6777 BTW a review and at no time did I
>>>tell you pin 24! You did tell me that your info  from
>>>the controllers people said that.
>>>So give me a call
>>>Sorry once again to the list.
>>>Dean,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>__
>>>Message transport security by GatewayDefender.com
>>>5:06:17 PM ET - 1/26/2005
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries

[Mark Holman]

I was wondering about those new Dry Batteries that the young generation is 
using for their mobile Ghetto Blasters I cannot recall right now ( Brain 
Tired ) the brand name but Auto Zone Just started carrying them.   be kinda 
interesting the Amper Hour Rating on those !
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Powering the Repeater With Marine Batteries


>
> And also note that marine grade batteries wont last very long in standby
> duty,a little better than a car battery but not much. Its worth the
> extra money to buy gel cell type batteries designed for that type of
> duty.They are also totally sealed which may be required if used in your
> home or at a big tower site. Ever see a hydrogen explosion rip apart a
> battery? Also,pay attention to the recommended float voltages of the
> manufacturer,also a good idea to give them an equalizing charge monthly.
> I have run battery backup here for 27 years! Fuse everything! 
> 73,Lee,N3APP
>
> Tony King, W4ZT wrote:
>
>>One of the best ways to manage the charging of your batteries is to use
>>a multi-mode charger designed to properly charge and maintain them.
>>Ibex  carries two 3 mode chargers that are very
>>well suited for the job.  If you look at their web page under the 12
>>volt chargers, the last one listed also has load shedding capability.
>>That means that not only does it charge the batteries, but you can power
>>the receiver, controller and exciter (but not the PA) through the load
>>shedding switch and when the battery voltage drops, it will shut
>>everything down; saving your batteries from total depletion.
>>
>>Using a charger like this you will still need to isolate the output of
>>the AC power supply and the batteries.  I personally prefer to do this
>>with hard relay contacts so that you don't have voltage drop through a
>>diode to contend with. Which ever way you choose, spend a little extra
>>to charge the batteries correctly and they will last a very long time
>>and be there when you need them.
>>
>>73, Tony W4ZT
>>
>>
>>w9mwq wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Last night my power supply took a dump!  Good thing for backups.
>>>Anyways, what I am wanting to do is put 3 marine batteries together
>>>to run the power for the repeater with a charger to charge the
>>>batteries.  If I use a 12 Volt Car charger, do I risk the chance of
>>>noise, or would the batteries filter that.  What would be a good
>>>source to charge these batteries?  The power supply that will be
>>>taking the place of the worthless Pyramid supply will be an Astron
>>>52 Amp Rack Mount Supply.  I have heard in the past that batteries
>>>have been charged with these power supplies, but not sure if this if
>>>true or not.  Any ideas?  Thanks.
>>>
>>>Mathew
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adjacent Channel Noise, how far should it be heard

[Mark Holman]

How about this ?  depending on the size of this coiled coax assembly I would 
put it in the metal box as Jim mentioned and run a couple of barrel 
connectors, thru the wall of the box, solder the barrel connector to the box 
for RF tight seal, and seal the box itself.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adjacent Channel Noise, how far should 
it be heard


>
> Except that RG-174 is NOT 100% shielded, and he is using a duplexer. If
> it was mounted in a metal box, and the box was grounded to the exciter
> chassis, it *might* work without causing desense...maybe.
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
>
> Rogers, Ron wrote:
>
>> That's easyjust wind up about 25-30 feet of RG-174 coax and install
>> that between the 2 watt exciter and the Vocom Amp. That wound up coax
>> will give you about a 3 Db loss at 146 mhz and supply only 1 watt to the
>> amp instead of the 2 watts.  Very simple and highly
>> reliable...nothing to break.
>>
>> Ron Rogers
>> WW8RR
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: w9mwq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 12:53 PM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adjacent Channel Noise, how far should
>> it be heard
>>
>>
>>
>> I want to say thanks to all those that replied on this matter, I
>> believe I have it fixed.  Found that the deviation had changed and
>> was running at about 6 Khz wide.  Not sure why, unless a pot had a
>> dirty spot on it.  Everything looked ok on the spectrum analyzer.
>> Someone asked why I was running so much power.  Not that I am a
>> power hog, but I took off the Motorola PA that everyone said would
>> go bad, and replaced it with a Vocom 200 watt amp, just have not
>> built a pad large enough to drop the power output.  2 watts drives
>> the PA at 200 watts.  All that will have to change when the antenna
>> goes up at 150 feet.  Again, want to say thanks for the quick
>> responses.
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>> And yes the Diamond Antenna is only a temp setup, as it will be
>> replaced with a DB224 when the new tower goes up.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LDF5-50a

[Mark Holman]

Try their web site http://www.polyphaser.com/  I recalled a book they gave 
away on grounding, but I will say this from a Electrical Instructor...  When 
in doubt ground the  out of it !
 The web site has some interesting info at Technical Docs. part  some good 
reading there. the Engineering Notes I see that there are some interesting 
thoughts, worth the visit .


M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Seamans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] LDF5-50a


>
> If you want to read a short paper on Lighting Protection and learn; obtain 
> a
> GE paper on "Living with Lighting" by Kenneth Guthrie. After Ken retired
> from GE, he taught a course at George Washington University on Lighting
> Protection. Ken has passed away some years ago but his works still remain 
> an
> authority on lighting.
>
> Transmission lines should be grounded at four major points:
>1. At the top of the tower
>2. Just above the bend where the line leaves the tower
>3. At the entrance to the equipment building (A Polyphasor or similar
> device here will help discharge any high voltage on the center conductor 
> of
> the transmission line)
>4. At the equipment end of the line
> The grounds on the tower are short and always directed down to be 
> connected
> to the tower.
> The grounds at the entrance to the equipment building ant at the equipment
> will depend on the type of system grounding the building owner has put in
> place. EG: Halo Ground Ring, Copper strap to bond all cabinets together,
> Simple common ground wire routed at the bottom of the equipment for all
> users to connect to, NO GROUND SYSTEM AT ALL! Every installation will be
> slightly different.
> Always put a lighting protector on the AC Power Lines. There are some good
> ones and some cheap ones. You get what you pay for. Spend the money and 
> buy
> a good one and connect it to the building/system ground.
> If your equipment does not have a SOLA CV transformer in it as does GE 
> MASTR
> II and some Motorola's buy a SOLA CV transformer to add to the lighting
> protection on the AC side.
> My success rate over 45 years is 99.999% by following these guidelines. 
> The
> one failure had a direct hit on the antenna and a second direct hit on the
> AC pole transformer, both shot to he--. However the radio equipment and 
> the
> transmission line were not damaged.
> Kenny's last bit of advice was always "Spend all that you can afford for
> lighting protection and then borrow some more".
> Fred
> W5VAY
> - Original Message -
> From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 4:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] LDF5-50a
>
>
>>
>> We use 3 ground kits at work (cell company).  The
>> first at the top of the tower, the second at the base
>> of the tower just before it makes the turn to go
>> horizontal, and the third outside the entry port to
>> the building.  All ground kits are installed with the
>> groundkit pigtail pointing towards the ground so that
>> any possible lightning hit will have the shortest path
>> to gound with the fewest turns in the groundwire.
>> Inside the building, we install a polyphasor to the
>> feedline and gound it to the common ground ring inside
>> the shelter.  We take very few damaging hits from
>> lightning at the hundreds of sites we have.
>> Interestly, most lightning damage comes in the power
>> lines.
>>
>> Keep all groundwires as short as feasibly possible and
>> always flowing downhill.  I learned this from a
>> lightning protection device installer.  Never expect
>> lightning to flow uphill, it always wants to go down
>> and seek ground.
>>
>> 73, Joe, K1ike
>>
>> --- Eric Lemmon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Rick,
>> >
>> > The conventional practice is to install a grounding
>> > kit at the point just before the feedline enters the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MDM RADIO - Grand moving sale

[Mark Holman]

I can read Ted's site up here in Michigan you may want to call your repair 
department I had to a few times already ranging from static on my telco 
lines to slow as a snail Connect Speed also ask them ( which really gets 
their goat ! ) when are they switching to Fiber Optic Cable ?  Telco 
Companies either hate that or like mine is now telling me that they are in a 
planning stage to build their own network, switch and whatever.

sorry for the stuff, but I had to let everyone know whats cooking in the 
Telcomm world. at least help someone.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MDM RADIO - Grand moving sale


>
> Dang website still not accessable from here,very strange!
> Tried 5 different computers on different addresses,no go...must be
> blocked somewhere in cyberhell?
> Wish I could make it but I cant
>
> Ted Bleiman K9MDM - MDM Radio wrote:
>
>> Dear friends;
>> MDM Radio Ltd . is moving to new smaller quarters about April 30 2005.
>> We regret having to leave our present location in Melrose Park, IL.
>> but, the downturn of business and ever increasing costs dictate this
>> change.
>> We fully intend to remain serving the communications industry as we
>> have for the past 15 years but, with a more modern leaner more
>> efficient operation.
>>
>>
>> web http://www.mdmradio.com -
>> Check it now!!
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Duplexers

[Mark Holman]

I cannot recall the Bands used for Public Saftey Freq.s  when they used what 
was called  Mobile Extenders, but I believe that they used 2 different bands 
in Michigan something like VHF Hi to VHF Lo .   I was wondering if you were 
( being more expense of course for the Volunteer ) using a VHF - UHF type of 
a repeater say VHF in UHF out or  UHF in VHF out ?

it may eliminate problems in can detuning from mobile vibration from what 
Jim B. is saying here.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Duplexers


>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Does anyone know if there is even a mobile duplexer made for the 2
>> meter HAM split? Make? Price? This is for a portable GR 300
>> repeater.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Rod KC7VQR
>
> No. Can't be done. To get the isolation you need for the 600Khz split on
> the 2M ham band, the cavities must be much larger, too large to be
> called 'mobile'. Plus the tuning adjustment will be touchy enough that
> the bouncing around will de-tune it.
> Portable repeaters for the 2M ham band don't work well. Getting rid of
> the desense takes some doing. It's not imposssible, but it ain't easy.
>
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Duplexers

[Mark Holman]

Wanna read whats really interesting ?

Civil Air Patrol uses a offset on this one repeater  140-143 Mhz. area ( 
Being I cannot really recall the input ) and their Output is 149.XXX Mhz.

apparently its either their Bandplan or they have in their plan to keep 
unauthourized people from finding their input to kerchunk or jam the 
repeater.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Finch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Duplexers


>
> Rod,
>
> Sure, they are about 3X3X3 feet and weigh about 45 pounds.  Sorry do not
> mean that to sound sarcastic, 600 KHz is real hard to do in a small 
> package.
> I am sure it can/could be done but I doubt if anyone could afford it.
>
> A week or so back someone was on saying they had built a Ham repeater on 
> odd
> splits only for emergency deployment.  It had over 2 MHz of spread if 
> memory
> serves me and it probably does not.
>
> Paul
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 8:59 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Duplexers
>
>
>
> Does anyone know if there is even a mobile duplexer made for the 2
> meter HAM split? Make? Price? This is for a portable GR 300
> repeater.
>
> Thank you.
> Rod KC7VQR
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] I let the smoke out!

[Mark Holman]

Did you try checking their FAX Back off of their web site ?

all you have to do is plug in the cat no. and bingo you can print off much 
of the docs you can do .

works for me.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "kd4gpi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 12:16 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] I let the smoke out!


>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I let the smoke out of a Micronta (Radio Shack) Range Doubler
> multimeter model 260X2. It's a bad thing when you are set to measure
> resistance and put 120VAC across the meter. It split one resistor in
> half in the R X 1 position. Its value was labeled not color-coded. I
> can no longer read it. Does anyone have one of these meters? I need
> help identifying the value.
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff - KD4GPI
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] connectors

[Mark Holman]

Motorola was somewhere Jettisoning the FLEX Paging Technology and that would 
have put Arch Comm. in Chapt. 11 based from an old article in Radio Resource 
Magazine , thats also what Motorola was doing also.

probably more than 2 stories out there in Space

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] connectors


>
>
> --- "Daron J. Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Ever wonder what Quintron is no longer around?
>
> Actually, I KNOW why Quintron is out of business.
> Quintron made quality equipment, mostly for the paging
> industry.  They were bought out by Glenayre from
> Canada and continued to make quality paging equipment.
> Then the bottom fell out of the paging business.
>
> They went out of business because they couldn't get
> paid from companies that were going chapter 11,
> bankrupt or out of business.  Motorola also got out of
> the paging business.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] simple tone decoder

[Mark Holman]

How about if the WX signal could be boosted by a 2M. beam ?  3 or 4 elements 
should do the trick.
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Montierth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] simple tone decoder


>
> There is probably no easier and cheaper way to do it
> than a 567 chip. This will give you a logic low, or
> "pull to ground" when it decodes. If you are having a
> hard time making it work, double check your circuit
> layout, make sure the device is good, etc. The 567 is
> easy to align and fun to play with, was kind of the
> standard "touch tone" decoder back in the 70's.
>
> Joe
>
> --- Randy Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes it is for monitor weather alerts in my area east
>> of Toronto but I
>> need to detect the 1050 tone and convert that to a
>> logic level to input
>> to my controller.
>>
>> Randy
>
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: F.S. List

[Mark Holman]

If it keeps Spammers or Spam Bots  in a state of Confusion better for us 
anyway.
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: F.S. List


>
>
> Here's the example of what comes through
> from yahoo. Notice the trailing part of
> your Email domain name is chopped off.
>
> I replace the @ with the word at and
> follow it with the domain as shown
> below.
> skipp
>
>> "John Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> --- "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>> >
>> > John,
>> > Yahoo chops Email domains off the post.
>> > Please Email your full address to me.
>> >
>> > thank you
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > skipp025 at yahoo.com
>> >
>> Hi Skipp. The addy here is  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola microphone schematic

[Mark Holman]

Not really Neil just thought to say something I think it grew legs one day 
around 1979 I knew this mike was really nice just someone wanted it better 
than I did.

5 Finger discounts you know that goes.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola microphone schematic


>
>
>  Are you seriously looking for the schematic diagram for the TU-154?
>
>  Neil
>
> Mark Holman wrote:
>>
>> Say Rob.
>>  Ye olde ancient stuff Motorola probably never gave the data
>> on the web since it was presumed DOA .
>>
>> M. H.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:31 AM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola microphone schematic
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Well the specific one is from a CDM750 but I think most operate in
>> > the same basic manner. It isn't so much an exact schematic I need but
>> > a basic operation diagram. Motorola supplies about +5V on the mic
>> > line and the mic element is also connected throgh the PTT switch
>> > somehow.
>> > What I am trying to figure out is if I can use a mic amp to boost the
>> > gain for an autopatch.
>> > It is almost looking like I may have to custom build an amp out of a
>> > FET or something like an other responder did.
>> >
>> > As to the TU-154, all I get is hits for an old Russian airliner.
>> > Thanks -Rob-
>> >
>> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>   Not a problem, if you can remember which radio you had it
>> >>  connected to when you installed it, I probably have the manual
>> >>
>> >>   Was that a FMTRU-5V ?
>> >>
>> >>   Neil
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark Holman wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > type in TU-154 for Motorola, an old remote head with a amplified
>> > mic.older
>> >> > than dirt 1964 I think.
>> >> >
>> >> > I had one or 2 my dad gave me no radio though  :-(
>> >> >
>> >> > M. H.
>> >> >
>> >> > - Original Message -
>> >> > From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > To: 
>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:15 AM
>> >> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic
>> >> >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anyone know if the schematic for an amplified Motorola Mic is
>> >> > > available on the net?
>> >> > > Still trying to get this autopatch going and having some real
>> > level
>> >> > > issues. My patch just doesn't have enough drive for the radio.
>> >> > > TIA -Rob-
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] unsubscribe

[Mark Holman]

 Aw  come on the party is still fun !

 but if you really have to drop out read the instructions below 
.
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] unsubscribe


>
>
>  I don't think so either ...
>
>  Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> link , BUT !!! says the windows message Are you really absolutely sure you 
> want
 
  to UNSUBSCRIBE ?   Yes 
or No ??Bye !!
     
   Mark Holman AB8RU says 73 !!
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola microphone schematic

[Mark Holman]

Say Rob.
   Ye olde ancient stuff Motorola probably never gave the data 
on the web since it was presumed DOA .

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola microphone schematic


>
>
> Well the specific one is from a CDM750 but I think most operate in
> the same basic manner. It isn't so much an exact schematic I need but
> a basic operation diagram. Motorola supplies about +5V on the mic
> line and the mic element is also connected throgh the PTT switch
> somehow.
> What I am trying to figure out is if I can use a mic amp to boost the
> gain for an autopatch.
> It is almost looking like I may have to custom build an amp out of a
> FET or something like an other responder did.
>
> As to the TU-154, all I get is hits for an old Russian airliner.
> Thanks -Rob-
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Neil McKie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>>   Not a problem, if you can remember which radio you had it
>>  connected to when you installed it, I probably have the manual
>>
>>   Was that a FMTRU-5V ?
>>
>>   Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Holman wrote:
>> >
>> > type in TU-154 for Motorola, an old remote head with a amplified
> mic.older
>> > than dirt 1964 I think.
>> >
>> > I had one or 2 my dad gave me no radio though  :-(
>> >
>> > M. H.
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:15 AM
>> > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Anyone know if the schematic for an amplified Motorola Mic is
>> > > available on the net?
>> > > Still trying to get this autopatch going and having some real
> level
>> > > issues. My patch just doesn't have enough drive for the radio.
>> > > TIA -Rob-
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: "Old-Guys"

[Mark Holman]

 once was some group called  O.F.A.R.T.S. I think it was a ham club seen them usually at 
the Marshall, MI. hamfest.
M. H.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 11:50 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 
  "Old-Guys"
  
  "Old Guys" AKA "Old Farts" is a politically incorrect term use by Yuppies 
  that are age challenged.
   
  Art - KC7GF (Retired Old Fart AKA 
  ROF)













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic

[Mark Holman]

Neil;
What was pertty bad & Sad was no radio ... just a couple of control 
heads a red & green lamp, a mic. a Off-On -Vol Control. and a Squelch 
control.
that was way back in 1969 well the thing disappearred one day along with 
some other stuff ( B & E  ?  ?  ? ) .

like I say the mike was probably a good amp. mike just someone wanted it 
worse than I did.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic


>
>
>  Not a problem, if you can remember which radio you had it
> connected to when you installed it, I probably have the manual
>
>  Was that a FMTRU-5V ?
>
>  Neil
>
>
>
> Mark Holman wrote:
>>
>> type in TU-154 for Motorola, an old remote head with a amplified 
>> mic.older
>> than dirt 1964 I think.
>>
>> I had one or 2 my dad gave me no radio though  :-(
>>
>> M. H.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:15 AM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone know if the schematic for an amplified Motorola Mic is
>> > available on the net?
>> > Still trying to get this autopatch going and having some real level
>> > issues. My patch just doesn't have enough drive for the radio.
>> > TIA -Rob-
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] question on repeater set up...

[Mark Holman]

Try this site --->  http://www.apcointl.org/   
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] question on repeater set up...


> 
> 
> apco is the public saftey communications coordinator
> 
> bob kd6gnb
> 
> ___
> Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand.
> Now includes pop-up blocker!
> Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] forest service

[Mark Holman]

Forest Service,

Start by finding out any protected land by every 
political , envirmental, tribal land including sacred burial sites, I would 
reasearch everything before you sign on the dotted line, I would ask what 
paperwork is involved and ask for any help or who knows how to do it right.

you don't need bad news and protestors.  Makes a Huge Black eye if done 
wrong.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "greenfin2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 11:09 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] forest service


>
>
> anyone have any experience when it comes to obtaining a site or
> leasing a communications site from the forest service? just
> wondering what to expect.
>
>thanks, pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VX2000U repeater

[Mark Holman]

No;

  I was told this at some meeting back in 1976 from this individual I think 
he was wanting to be in control etc..  If you were not to his level then you 
were not part of his group.

I was stating this was one of those Radar Trap reports that finally she got 
caught.  but rebroadcasting police info. I think is a no no and any cop 
don't like that..

Hope I clairified my self..

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Q" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] VX2000U repeater


>
> Dont always assume the worst in people! I actually use an AOR scanner on
> my repeater to listen to select frequencies on all ham bands 160m thru
> 1.2ghz. This is a high quality scanner and I do not recommend using the
> cheap ones,they are too prone to interference.BTDT73,Lee,N3APP
>
> Mark Holman wrote:
>
>>You cannot rebroadcast Public Saftey on Ham freqs.  I'll give you a 
>>classic
>>example in Michigan when I was at a meeting...
>>
>>Woman unknown was rebroadcasting police locations where the RADAR speed
>>traps on 11 Meters CB CH. 19  needless to say Sheriff got ahold of this 
>>and
>>arrested her and she was in Jail, everything consfiscated.
>>
>>doesn't matter whats being heard John Q. Public finds that you 
>>retransmitted
>>a traffic Stop for a burned out light bulb or a speeding ticket, he will 
>>be
>>after you, and the court can fine you or have you making Martha Stewarts
>>Designer Plates to hang on cars.
>>
>>M. H.
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "RileyNRachel Frazee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:12 PM
>>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VX2000U repeater
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I have a VX 2000 U vertex 25 watt radio. just out of curiousity can it be
>>>hooked up to a scanner and repeat what the scanner is recieving. it has a
>>>9
>>>pin connector on the back side of the radio and is used for various 
>>>things
>>>one thing is audio in. these radios can be connected to make a repeater, 
>>>i
>>>do know that. is it possible to connect a Scanner or another kind of 
>>>radio
>>>to it.? thanks for your replies in advance...
>>>
>>>Hope my question isnt totally stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic

[Mark Holman]

type in TU-154 for Motorola, an old remote head with a amplified mic.older 
than dirt 1964 I think.

I had one or 2 my dad gave me no radio though  :-(

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:15 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola microphone schematic


>
>
> Anyone know if the schematic for an amplified Motorola Mic is
> available on the net?
> Still trying to get this autopatch going and having some real level
> issues. My patch just doesn't have enough drive for the radio.
> TIA -Rob-
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VX2000U repeater

[Mark Holman]

You cannot rebroadcast Public Saftey on Ham freqs.  I'll give you a classic 
example in Michigan when I was at a meeting...

Woman unknown was rebroadcasting police locations where the RADAR speed 
traps on 11 Meters CB CH. 19  needless to say Sheriff got ahold of this and 
arrested her and she was in Jail, everything consfiscated.

doesn't matter whats being heard John Q. Public finds that you retransmitted 
a traffic Stop for a burned out light bulb or a speeding ticket, he will be 
after you, and the court can fine you or have you making Martha Stewarts 
Designer Plates to hang on cars.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "RileyNRachel Frazee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VX2000U repeater


>
>
>
> I have a VX 2000 U vertex 25 watt radio. just out of curiousity can it be
> hooked up to a scanner and repeat what the scanner is recieving. it has a 
> 9
> pin connector on the back side of the radio and is used for various things
> one thing is audio in. these radios can be connected to make a repeater, i
> do know that. is it possible to connect a Scanner or another kind of radio
> to it.? thanks for your replies in advance...
>
> Hope my question isnt totally stupid.
>
> _
> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE!
> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters- Another Case History

[Mark Holman]

Just another freindly reminder how important Amateur Radio really is makes 
cause for a good argument if anyone questions how its really done.

maybe we should teach the Military how to be Hams & show them how radio 
works..



M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Lemmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters- Another Case History


>
> I had planned to sit on the sidelines and enjoy the spirited dialog, but
> Jim brought up a point which needs to be chiseled in stone:
> Communications vans are NOT the ideal environment for a repeater!
>
> Case in point:  A nearby Air Force Base has a mobile command post which
> is, for all intents and purposes, a communications van.  I invited the
> officer in charge of this vehicle to bring it out to a radio club
> meeting for a "show and tell" to which he readily agreed.  It was a
> wonderful experience for the members of my Amateur Radio Club to
> witness, first hand, the superior technology that the communication
> wizards had employed to create this masterpiece of emergency capability.
>
> Our joy at observing this epitome of radio communications capability was
> diminished when one of the hams asked what all of the antennas (UHF
> mobile 3dB gain) lined up, 10 inches apart at the rear of the trailer,
> were used for.  The officer replied that each of the antennas was
> connected to a separate Motorola Astro Digital Spectra radio, so that
> multiple conversations could be carried on, using the Base's UHF trunked
> radio system.  When asked if two or more conversations had ever been
> handled at one time, the answer was, "Uh, no, for some reason we can
> only talk on one radio at a time."  DUH, Hello!?
>
> Rest assured, your local, state, or federal taxpayer dollars are being
> spent for fiascos such as this, simply because these communications
> vans/trailers/command posts are seldom being designed and engineered by
> radio-savvy people, but by catalog browsers and bean-counters.  Not only
> is a 10-inch spacing between the antennas of two same-band transceivers
> an invitation to disaster, not to mention potential damage to nearby
> radios, but none of the comm van designers seemed to understand the
> realities of desense and bandpass filtering.
>
> Of course, it is a challenge to install bandpass filters on
> frequency-agile radios, but if you want to operate independently in a
> dense RF environment, you must design your system accordingly.  The
> primary channels should be on single-frequency radios, with extremely
> tight bandpass filtering on all receive frequencies and, if necessary,
> on all transmit frequencies.
>
> When properly designed, a communications van/trailer/command post can
> operate simultaneously on a multitude of frequencies, bands, and
> emissions.  Unfortunately, far too many such installations are doomed to
> failure before a switch is thrown.
>
> 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
>
> "Jim B." wrote:
>>
>> Running that much power in a communications van *WILL, REPEAT, WILL*,
>> cause interference to other radios in the van, and is TOTALLY
>> UNECESSARY! 10-20 watts is PLENTY for a 'portable' repeater.
>> And in most communcation van environments, there is not enough room for
>> anything the size of a 2M or even a 220 duplexer. A 10 watt UHF repeater
>> in a communcations van with a 3dB gain antenna on 30' to 60' of mast is
>> quite adequate for anything you would need a repeater in a comm-van for.
>> If you need more coverage then that, you need to deploy more then just a
>> comm-van anyway.
>> Of the active comm-vans I am familiar with, only one has a repeater on
>> board, and it never gets used in a response, cause it usually causes
>> more problems then it cures, to the extent that they are thinking of
>> pulling it.
>> --
>> Jim Barbour
>> WD8CHL
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] O.T. Is it just me?

[Mark Holman]

Just Get a Spam Blocker or Upgrade to WIN XP SP II   I love it !
M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "John Everson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] O.T. Is it just me?


> 
> 
> Happy New Year to the group.
> 
> Is it just me, or is someone else having the Yahoo adverts. block 
> part of the message text on some messages? I think that this has 
> happened before but it went away on its own.
> 
> At least that is as much as my feeble mind lets me remember.
> 
> 73,John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [Motorola] MSR2000 PA Transistors

[Mark Holman]

Say Neil;
  XYL would have a fit If I did that ! and I still have 
whatever in the Attic

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: [Motorola] MSR2000 PA Transistors


>
>
>  People have been wondering why I seem to 'collect' all those old
> used Motorola and GE radios.  I usually 'collect' them at swapmeets
> when the sellers can't give them away (except to me.)
>
>  I finally unloaded almost all of the tube gear except one - even
> donated a GE MT-16 to a friend in the San Francisco Bay area
> sometime back.
>
>  Why not?  The manufacturers quit supporting them years ago.
>
>  I have Motorola back to the later Motracs, Mocom-70's, Micors and
> Mitreks.
>
>  I have RCA to Series 700.
>
>  I have GE in Mastr-Pro (very nice radio) Exec II and Mastr II.
>
>  Those here who have seen my garage will ... groan ...
>
>  Get down to your local ham swapmeet and start catching up.  Of
> course, you'll raise the price to me ... but the parts will be used
> by someone and not hit the scrap yard.
>
>  Neil - WA6KLA
>
>
> skipp025 wrote:
>>
>> Do what most of us are doing, buy used Motorola
>> radios of the same era/type and lift the transistors
>> from surplus radios.
>>
>> I purchased 40 used mitrek 110 watt radios for
>> replacement UHF MSR PA Modules. Although the
>> remove and replace process takes some 3 plus
>> hours of serious work, the much lower cost
>> offsets the financial pain.
>>
>> The same would apply with with the VHF pa, which
>> also depends on whick of the 3 or 4 known VHF
>> PA versions you have.
>>
>> Ebay and the surplus radio dealers are good part
>> sources.
>>
>> cheers,
>> skipp
>> skipp025 at yahoo.com
>> www.radiowrench.com/sonic
>>
>> > > Anyone know where I can find MSR2000 finals?
>> > > I have a high band VHF MSR2000 with 2 blown
>> > > finals (one set), and would like to replace
>> > > all 4 if I can find a set of replacement transistors
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rusty Bolt effect and noise floor questions

[Mark Holman]

Matt & All,
   If you have any ground connections going to the body just grab a 
piece of sandpaper Disconnect your  Batt leads on both sides on Ford & 
Dodges a battery terminal brush you will need to clean, also sugguestion get 
those felt chem. treated Washers and place on the bottom, keeps corrosion 
down.

on Fords the short 6 or 8 inch cable on the older V-8 engines they usually 
go to the starter selonoid rust sometimes does and does not give problems, 
but that 12 inch or less black wire leads I noted all manufacturers will 
have corrosion of a different kind clean that area also.

Inspectr your B + and B- wires for cracking , any acceosory wires usually 
are crimped, I wind up soldering them.

I had a 1976 Chevy Caprice the Neg. Black cable corrode out and a Ham freind 
& I was heading to a Hamfest the #12 short wire began to smoke, we took his 
car instead and later I replaced the Battery cable and that short ground 
jumper.

Corrosion is resistance and that may cause some oddball static  WD-40 & 
Liquid Wrench are the best 2  to lossen parts up ,a and LPS in a Green Can 
one of them can actually waterproof a ground.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rusty Bolt effect and noise floor questions


>
> Hi Joe and Scott,
>
> Thanks for your replies.
>
> Yes, I did the test as described in the article and like you Joe, I did 
> one
> more step which was to key the transmitter and check for desense. The 
> SINAD
> reading on the meter didn't change when I keyed up.
>
> Its a "proper" commercial antenna the repeater group purchased and its 
> only
> been up since early November so I'm hoping its not my own antenna :-)
>
> I do like the idea of taking an AM receiver to site and having a listen
> around. I hadn't thought of that and will do this as soon as I can.
>
> I wonder if oiling the dodgy connection causing this rusty bolt effect 
> would
> temporarily stop it, meaning I could identify the culprit?
>
> Best wishes all and thanks for the replies.
>
> Matt
> G4RKY
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rusty Bolt effect and noise floor 
> questions
>
>
>
> It's not desense that he has, it is loss of sensitivity.  If he did the
> sensitivity test as stated on the article Chris wrote, the transmitter is
> not active.
> http://www.repeater-builder.com/tech-info/effectivesens.html
> I take the test one step more and transmit during the sensitivity test to
> look for desense.
>
> 73, Joe, k1ike
>
> At 08:17 PM 1/2/2005, you wrote:
>>Desense in the neighborhood of 17 db. is a definite
>>possibility. The source of the desense can be inadequate attenuation of 
>>the
>>transmitter and receiver frequencies by the appropriate sections of your
>>duplexer or, and in fact, wideband noise produced within your antenna or
>>other 'hardware" in it's vicinity due to poor connections and or corrosion
>>when excited by your transmitter.
>
> All outgoing email scanned with Norton AntiVirus2004.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola Flexars - Sell?

[Mark Holman]

The Ni-Cads you could possible replace just 
take some hunting around for a Moto Dealer who may have some sitting on a shelf 
someplace, I kinda have my doubts about aftermarkets after reading someones cell 
phone exploded with a aftermarket battery ( probably made at the cheapest rice 
factory  { or maybe prison factory } ).
 
Rest of the gear just looking around to see 
what programming it will take.
 
 
M. H.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  NØATH 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:11 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola 
  Flexars - Sell?
  
  I have a friend that sent me the following 
  e-mail: Are there any Motorola fans out there that can tell me what could be 
  done with these? These rigs are in EXTREMELY good condition - Look New.( 
  The repeaters ( I haven't seen the HT's )). I don't know if they have PL, DPL, 
  any type of an ID or what in them. Are they of value at all? My friend is 
  getting along in years and doesn't want to try and build anything from 
  them.
   
   
  >Dave / what could be done with 2 
  Motorola Flexar base repeaters on 469.775 mhz DPL 3l5, probably about 
  >10 maybe 25 watts, these were used in a large metal warehouse for 
  communications by the maintenance >crew, the H/T's had 6 
  channels, 469.775; 464.775;466.100; & simplex 461.100; 469.775; 
  466.100.the >Motorola H/T's were HT600's. Do not have any manuals. 
  Do have 2 small turnstyle antennas to go with the 
  >repeaters.
   
  Can anybody help me with info on these? Are they 
  useable on the amateur bands or worthwhile to try to convert? I think the 
  talkies are probably all with drop in chargers and everything was being used 
  when the 
  warehouse went belly up. I wouldn't hazard a 
  guess on the condition of the Ni-cads. Probably some good /some bad. They have 
  all been off for a period of time.
   
  Dave / 
  NØATH













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Strange board in MASTRII mobile

[Mark Holman]

Probably some security thing to if someone hacked it probably design to 
break up as a useless device

CATV  Systems used to come up with security anti-hacking measures to prevent 
theft of services.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "aa5sg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 8:41 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Strange board in MASTRII mobile


>
>
> The way the chip is mounted to the pcb, it looks like the leads
> would possibly break if it was pryed up or flexed too much.  The
> black residue did look familiar.  Good luck with the board
> identification.
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No part number on the HTF chip, just some black residue on the top
> from
>> what was used to stick it inside the case.  The HTF is double-
> sided tape
>> stuck to the PC board, I'm afraid I'd wreck the HTF chip prying it
> up.  If
>> I can't figure it out, I'll pry it up.
>>
>> The leads were already disconnected, but I remember them being
> near J908,
>> 99% certain about that because the way the leads were dressed.
>>
>> At 08:07 PM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> >This sort of looks like an aftermarket board, but with the blue
> HTF
>> >chip onboard, it could be OEM, or just manufactured using at least
>> >some OEM parts.  Does the blue HTF chip have a part number on
> it?  I
>> >guess the big clue would have been the list of the pin connections
>> >(pin names) the colored leads were plugged onto.  Just by looking,
>> >with no shielded wires flying, I wouldn't think this was a tone
>> >encoder.  Probably not CTCSS anyway...  First guess would be that
> it
>> >is some sort of after market or special production scan board.
>> >Second guess would be that it's a tone burst board of some type...
>> >But those are just my guesses.
>> >
>> >Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Speaker Level Mixing

[Mark Holman]

Well if someone wants to clean the EQ on the audio at any power level and 
not leave your ears ringing or any other problems, no problem to that.

But the rest maybe a pair of earplugs may do the trick...

old Cerwin Vega  Ad. " Loud can be beautiful, as long as it's clean 
"

I used to work in a Rock & Roll Bar audio @ 1100 Watts Tight clean audio 
1979-1980

Rock On !!

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Speaker Level Mixing


>
> At 01:44 PM 12/31/04, you wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 15:02:43 -0600, Al Wolfe wrote:
>>
>> >Once upon a time you could buy 6 X 9 speakers with
>>two voice coils,
>>
>>Just make sure your radios filter out the PL!
>
> True!
>
>>I can just imagine what a 100Hz tone would sound
>>like through a 6x9 :)
>
> Probably just as annoying as being having an Accura
> with dual 500w subwoofer amps in the right lane, you
> in the center lane with your left window open, and hear
> and watch the rear license plate on the '67 El Camino
> in lane #1 rattle in step with the base notes..
>
> And no, I'm not kidding.  "If it's too loud, you're too old"
> seems to be the mantra of the day.
>
> Me, I just want to preserve my ears so I can hear
> my grandchildren.
>
> Mike WA6ILQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?

[Mark Holman]

I have seen the VHF Low Banders in use ( 47 Mhz. )  for Red Cross Comm. I 
seen several units in service, so far I have not heard any complaints, and 
in the Radio Room for the Amateur Club during a Emergency Exercise the 
Midland was on NEF 47.420 Mhz. and there was dispatch calls coming in on 45 
Mhz. for Transportation and just the usual desensing occourring.

a Maxtrac is a very good investment.

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dakota Summerhawk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?


>
> OK Dick on that note I have to ask a few questions:
> 1. How hard is it to build a Maxtrac into a repeater?
> 2. Are Maxtrac rock bound? Was hoping for something for synthesized for 
> easy
> programming
> 3. How is the duty cycle for the unit? From what I have seen they are 
> sturdy
> rigs and can stand up to a LOT of use.
>
> Can anyone answer these questions? Dick?
> Thanks for the information
> Dakota
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard W. Solomon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:36 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?
>
>
>
> Get a couple of Motorola Maxtracs, an NHRC-2 Controller and you are set.
> EXCEPT, if it's for Public Safety purposes (Fire, Police) then do not
> scrimp, especially if lives may depend on this stuff.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dakota Summerhawk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:40 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Mobile Repeaters?
>
>
>
> Is the best way to have a mobile repeater up and running with two mobile
> radios and a duplexer? Looking for a way to be able to run a couple of
> repeaters, one VHF, one UHF for a mobile communications van. Can anyone
> recommend ways to cut down on weight and space? Thanks Dakota
>
> --
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 12/28/2004
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.6 - Release Date: 12/28/2004
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Speaker Level Mixing

[Mark Holman]

I will say this ... this one Stereo / Trucker shop and a source for older 
out of catalouge R/S stuff but he rather sell the stereos & Illeagle gear , 
he does not like talking to me when I said I have a Ham license.  tells you 
how many times he figgures the FCC was next in line :-)

M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Morris WA6ILQ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Speaker Level Mixing


>
> Go over to your local car stereo shop - the place where they
> sell those 500w amps and build the latest and greatest
> boogie buggys or thump trucks - and get a pair of speaker
> isolator transformers.  They may not call them that, but
> picture a 8 ohm in / 8 ohm out transformer about the size
> of  a can of Coke or Pepsi, or a little smaller.
>
> Put one on each radio.  Test by putting a speaker on the
> secondary.  It should work normally.
>
> Unhook the speakers.  Wire the secondaries and the
> speaker all in parallel.
>
> A friend has two of these setups in his vehicle, on two
> Kenwood 742s... one radio is 10m / 6m / 2m and the
> other is 220 / 440 / 1200mhz, and each radio has two
> speaker outputs - the selected channel and the
> nonselected channels.  He has the selected channels
> fed to one speaker (in the left door) and the non-selected
> channels fed to a second speaker (in the right door).
>
> Car stereo shops have a few things to offer the ham -
> like decent multiple fuseblocks, good automotive
> DC wire, and speaker transformers.  It's worth
> spending an hour perusing their offerings...
>
> Mike WA6ILQ
>
>>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, DCFluX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Anyone had experience with mixing the speaker output of 2 radios,
>> > Say Motorola GM300's to one speaker?
>> >
>> > I originally tried a couple of resistors but I may have the wrong
>> > values as they got hot as hell and one started smoking, I was
>> > using 2 .82 ohm at 2 watt resistors for each radio, one resistor
>> > in each speaker lead and at the center the speaker.  My next
>> > best guess is using a multiple winding transformer with three
>> > windings of 4 ohms, but finding information on how to wind a
>> > transformer to do that is impossible these days.  Any Ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off topic part 95 DCS on GMRS

[Mark Holman]

I think that I should stick to my thinking Have all the FCC Commissioners 
that are from each level Qualification

1) That they have a Extra Class License.

2) Hold a Degree in Electronics like Broadcasting.

3) Been say 20 Yrs Min. in the feild.

4) Hold a GROL , 1st. Class RT that was converted to GROL .


Thats my opinion and I am sticking to my story


M. H.

- Original Message - 
From: "Steve Grantham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off topic part 95 DCS on GMRS


>
> Can we solicit the "mandatory re-education" of Chairman Powell, as he has
> been erroneously promoting BPL as a panacea, when in reality it is a
> pandora's box?
>
> Steve
> ;)
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "corwinmoore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:53 AM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Off topic part 95 DCS on GMRS
>
>
>>
>> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Barry Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks to Russ, I contacted the FCC WTB regarding
>> > the usage of DCS/DPL or anything other than
>> > common tone names like PL from the Motorola trade
>> > mark and was confirmed that anything other than
>> > PL was not authorized under part 95.181 sub
>> > section "G & H".
>>
>> Like Joe said, this is completely off-base.
>>
>> Please give us the name of the WTB employee who made this statement.
>> (There are FCC procedures for "mandatory re-education" of employees
>> who give out erroneous information. And it goes into their personnel
>> file.)
>>
>> - Corwin Moore (PRSG)
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Web Beacons

[Mark Holman]

TNX Budd ;
Wonder how many more sneaky stuff they will create ?

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays 
- Original Message - 
From: "Budd Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Web Beacons


> 
> 
> For your information ...
> 
> Yahoo is now using something called "Web Beacons" to track Yahoo 
> Group users around the net and see what
> you're doing and where you are going - similar to cookies.  Yahoo is 
> recording every website and every group you visit.  Take a look at 
> their updated privacy statement:
> 
> http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy
> 
> About half-way down the page, in the section on cookies, you will see 
> a link that says web beacons.
> Click on the phrase web beacons.
> 
> http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us/beacons/details.html
> 
> 
> That will bring you to a paragraph entitled, "Outside the Yahoo 
> Network."  In this section you'll see a little, "click here to opt 
> out" link that will let you "opt-out" of their new method of snooping.
> 
> Once you have clicked that link, you are exempted.
> 
> Notice the "Success" message on the top of the next page.
> BE CAREFUL because on that page there is a "Cancel Opt-out" button 
> that, if clicked, will *undo** the opt-out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controllers

[Mark Holman]

I know a Repeater that uses the ABCD commands in theirs  and one is speed 
dial to A A A auto service ? I think they still do !
Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Controllers


>
> Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>> I looked for one of those programs that works on a 486 Laptop,
>> but couldn't find one that works with what they jokingly refer
>> to as a sound card at Compaq back then.
>> But the Zetron only needs a 12 button pad.
>> Guess I'll wait for the new version from NHRC.
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> What's the big deal about 12 vs. 16 button pads? I don't know of any ham
> controllers that REQUIRE using the fourth column!
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock

[Mark Holman]

Hi everyone.
  I was given a copy by someone, at least it does work 
Thanks

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Tony King - W4ZT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock


>
> My original post carried the correct URL for the Speaking Clock:
> <http://www.lux-aeterna.com/clock/>
>
> 73, Tony W4ZT
>
>
> At 12:22 PM 12/27/2004, you wrote:
>
>>It would be good to list the correct link as I tried the one listed and 
>>got
>>no place.
>>thanks
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Larry Lockard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 12:17 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Hi Mark,
>> >
>> > Just thought you might like to know I just downloaded the Speaking
>> > Clock
>> > from the link
>> > that Tony posted and it runs fine on my XP (SP2) system.  The download 
>> > was
>> > a
>> > bit of a challenge as it kept directing me to a download for Sticky
>> > Notes however finally from the mirror in Canada (alberta) came the
>> > right
>> > file named "spcl25.zip"  size is  915 K. This version of the program 
>> > even
>> > allows you download additional voices for different languages plus male
>> > and
>> > female voices.
>> >
>> > Perhaps your original download had a bug ??
>> >
>> > If you can't get the download link to work correctly send a note and I
>> > will
>> > forward you a copy.
>> >
>> > Larry
>> >
>> >
>> > - Original Message -
>> > From: "Mark Holman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 6:16 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It seems that I tried to download it WIN XP SP II does not reconize it
>> >> said
>> >> invalid handle.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mark Holman  AB8RU
>> >> ***  IT Student *
>> >> Happy Holidays
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "Tony King - W4ZT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:16 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> The "Speaking Clock" works pretty good and is available as FREEware
>> >>> here:
>> >>> <http://www.lux-aeterna.com/clock/>
>> >>>
>> >>> 73, Tony W4ZT
>> >>>
>> >>> At 01:12 AM 12/23/2004, you wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Can anyone tell Me of  A Software Talking Clock program , I had a old
>> >>>>radio
>> >>>>Shack one that I had modified yrs ago on the repeater and it went bad
>> >>>>and
>> >>>>it
>> >>>>is no longer made.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks Don
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Happy Holidays
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on Business Band repeater

[Mark Holman]

GROL  is a Boat & Airplane Radio license, but makes a good resume' thing for 
some employers and a Lifetime license. maybe you may have to fix the mike on 
one of those radios or install it or write off a OK signature for FCC 
compliance.

What the hey those who don't know what a FCC rule book is to the non tech 
people you just impressed you know something thats all.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Benjamin Naber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on Business Band repeater


>
> If a guy were to have a GROL license and he built his
> own repeater to meet type acceptance(or close to),
> would it be classified as being so?
>
>
> ~Benjamin, KB9LFZ
>
>
> --- KI4AWK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I am a ham who is contemplating building a
>> business-band repeater. I have a few questions that
>> maybe you guys can answer and save me hours of
>> reading and searching.
>>
>> I want to do this so that my family can stay in
>> touch. The business license would be in the name of
>> the family farm.
>> I know that not everyone in my family is interested
>> in radio enough to become a ham, but would
>> definitely own a radio if they could communicate
>> reliably. Cell phones are horrible.
>>
>> I do not want to use GMRS frequencies for three
>> reasons: I am not impressed with the policing of the
>> GMRS frequencies. Anyone can get a GMRS radio, and
>> the line between GMRS and FRS and CB seems to be
>> very blurry. I don't want my mom to be the one
>> listening when someone starts being rude on our
>> frequency. Reason two is that I want to be able to
>> hook up a phone patch. This is strictly forbidden in
>> GMRS. Reason three is the "type acceptance" rule
>> that prohibits several quality radios from being
>> used in GMRS.
>>
>> My questions:
>>
>> What kind of cost am I looking at for a repeater
>> pair license?
>> Does each user need a separate license? cost per
>> user?
>> Can I do the research and find a frequency pair
>> myself, or do I have to go through a coordinator?
>> (if so, what does that cost?)
>> (We live in a rural area, Thomasville, GA. Finding a
>> pair should not be hard. I am hoping for a pair in
>> the 460 band, as I have a very nice mastr II for
>> that band.)
>> I have been monitoring a specific frequency, and did
>> research through the FCC website on it for users in
>> my area.
>> What else should I do to get started?
>>
>>
>> John Clark - KI4AWK
>
>
> =
> -
> ~Ben, KB9LFZ
>
> Got your radio on and "listening?"
> Then KEY the radio and say that you are! LET US USE WHAT WE HAVE!!
>
>
>
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from pager tr

[Mark Holman]

Here we go again !
Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Coy Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from 
pager tr


>
>
>
> Sorry, I have NEVER met a Great Tech that could spell any better
> than I can. Wait, You're the one flaming yourself about your own
> spelling That's posting to your self...The next step after talking
> to your self is talking back then posting to your self...?
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe Montierth
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> --- Coy Hilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Everyone knows that most GOOD technical people can't
>> > spell.
>> > 73
>> > AC0Y
>>
>>
>> Yes, but the GREAT ones are spelling wizards!  :)
>>
>> Have a good Christmas.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> __
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock

[Mark Holman]

It seems that I tried to download it WIN XP SP II does not reconize it said 
invalid handle.



Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Tony King - W4ZT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Talking Clock


>
> The "Speaking Clock" works pretty good and is available as FREEware here:
> <http://www.lux-aeterna.com/clock/>
>
> 73, Tony W4ZT
>
> At 01:12 AM 12/23/2004, you wrote:
>
>>Can anyone tell Me of  A Software Talking Clock program , I had a old 
>>radio
>>Shack one that I had modified yrs ago on the repeater and it went bad and 
>>it
>>is no longer made.
>>
>>Thanks Don
>>
>>Happy Holidays
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Did measurement of inductors change???

[Mark Holman]

 Millihenery & Microhenery is the terms used depending on the application of 
a particular circuit.

What I have not seen for a long time is the old   J.W. Miller  coil winding 
device. maybe at a Antique radio swap maybe.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Wade Lake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: Fw: [Repeater-Builder] Did measurement of inductors change???


>
>
>
> Sorry,
>
>  their search engine does not allow that without a previous browser
> session.  Just go to http://www.digikey.com and enter "2.2mH choke" in the
> search window.  Select "fixed(7 items)".
> there are a few to pick from.
>
> Wade  - KR7K
>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Wade Lake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 5:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Did measurement of inductors change???
>>
>>
>> > John,
>> >
>> > I did a quick search and found those at Digikey, follow this link.
>> > http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Filter
>> >
>> > Wade - KR7K
>> >
>> > - Original Message - 
>> > From: "JOHN MACKEY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 10:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Did measurement of inductors change???
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yea, the difference between uH (Micro-henries) & mH (mil-henries) is
> what
>> > I've
>> > always understood since my earliest training.  But the fact that I have
>> been
>> > unable to fine mH chokes & only found uH chokes made me wonder if the
>> > measurement system of inductors had changed!!  (sort of like when
>> capacitor
>> > measurements changed from uuF to pF)
>> >
>> > I was doing this search late last night.  Today, a little more fresh,
> I'll
>> > go
>> > back to work & look at the Newark & Allied catalogs again!  Perhaps 
>> > I'll
>> see
>> > something I missed.
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > Received: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:35:50 PM CST
>> > From: Joe Montierth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > >
>> > > --- JOHN MACKEY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > I need to build a filter and it requires I have a
>> > > > few chokes of 2.2 mH value.
>> > > > So I look in the Newark & Allied catalogs and all
>> > > > the chokes I am seeing are
>> > > > labeled "µH"  (a "u" with a tail on the left)
>> > > > rather than "mH"
>> > > >
>> > > > Was I asleep for a long period of time & they
>> > > > changed how inductors/chokes are
>> > > > labeled or am I missing something else?
>> > >
>> > > The m is for milli, the u (with the tail) is for
>> > > micro. They are both valid, RF frequencies usually use
>> > > "microhenries"(u) and audio range will use
>> > > "millihenries" (m). If you order the wrong one you'll
>> > > only be off by a factor of 1000!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: The 4 candles (this is nice)

[Mark Holman]

It's in the Eggnog !  ok everyone is having a Holiday Toast right ??


Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays 
- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: The 4 candles (this is nice)


> 
> 
>  The four candles web site. 
> 
>  The originator sent it in something other than plain text - 
> therefore, I was unable to include his message in my outgoing 
> message. 
> 
>  Happy Seasonings Greeted ... ? 
> 
>  Neil - WA6KLA 
> 
> 
> Ronny Julian wrote:
>> 
>> What did?
>> 
>> Neil McKie wrote:
>> 
>> >  Took about 9 1/2 seconds to load ...
>> >
>> >  Neil
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola GM300 Power-up Question

[Mark Holman]

Simple a Crow Bar or aka Polairity guard diode like a 1N4000 
-1N4004  I had people give me the radio just for a 25  cent fix and 
$20.00 labor and I even had one the foil fried because some Golden Screwdriver 
tech, ( I laugh at these clowns ) decided to bypass the fuse being reversed 
power polairity , simple fix with the iron and a peice of wire jumpered ABT 3 
inches viola working radio.
 
also a short in the radio on a 2M .  Heath short also 
blew up the cap I replaced. been there blew up that !.
 
anyway Smile on life is FUN !
 
Mark Holman  AB8RU***  IT Student *Happy Holidays 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 8:51 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola 
  GM300 Power-up Question
  
  Hi There,
   
  There is a fuse that looks like a plain diode near the power input leads 
  that is now more than likely blown
   
  How do I know this? ... experience!
   
  I don't know which part it is, my memory has failed me.  
  One of the guys here will know!
   
  73, Brian, WD9HSY













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from pager transmitters

[Mark Holman]

I came accross some clown off a BBS site got all bent about posting Ham 
Stuff on a Technical Engineering page  he got so bent I was blocked from 
posting, oh well I decided he cannot handle anything and just let him leave 
his head in his bucket of donkey dung decided that that BBS was now a waste 
of my time so I deleted my Account and laughed at the Idiot !

Life is too short anyway Have fun !

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Coy Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from 
pager transmitters


>
>
> First..Don't be so thin skined, that's where political correctness
> came from. This group can be brutal from time to time, but there's
> some great help, and a wealth of experiance and knowledge here and
> everyone here has gotten nailed from the group and has lived through
> it.SO lighten up.
> 73
> AC0Y
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "kc4ih" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > Hmmm, after 20 years of ham radio, past experience in commercial
> 2
>> way &
>> > currently working as an Chief Engineer in the radio broadcast
>> field and
>> > possessing my Extra Amateur and GROL, I don't know what a "FCC
> 1st
>> class
>> > licensed ham" is!!
>> >
>> It was about 2 am here when I wrote this last night but
>> If you are the Chief Engineer of a radio station then you should
>> know that anyone prior to 1984 a person had to hold a first class
>> FCC technicians license to work on and repair and operate a radio
> or
>> TV station. The 1st class and 2nd class were combined in the late
>> 1980s to a general class technicians license and made a lifetime
>> license, not to be confused with the technician class ham license.
>> The fact that the two of us hold an extra class and the other an
>> advanced class ham ticket was not explained but I assumed that it
>> would be understood. That is not the problem, its the repeater
>> intermod.
>> This reply is the reason that I hate to post to a group such as
> this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on Business Band repeater

[Mark Holman]

Just go to http://www.fcc.gov do some research, forms fees 
etc. and some paperwork.
 
if you do your own matienance etc. I would sugguest 
getting with the local 2 way shop for ideas etc..
 
Mark Holman  AB8RU***  IT Student *Happy Holidays 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  KI4AWK 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:55 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Advice on 
  Business Band repeater
  
  
  I am a ham who is contemplating building a 
  business-band repeater. I have a few questions that maybe you guys can answer 
  and save me hours of reading and searching.
   
  I want to do this so that my family can stay in 
  touch. The business license would be in the name of the family farm. 
  
  I know that not everyone in my family is 
  interested in radio enough to become a ham, but would definitely own a radio 
  if they could communicate reliably. Cell phones are horrible.
   
  I do not want to use GMRS frequencies for three 
  reasons: I am not impressed with the policing of the GMRS frequencies. Anyone 
  can get a GMRS radio, and the line between GMRS and FRS and CB seems to be 
  very blurry. I don't want my mom to be the one listening when someone starts 
  being rude on our frequency. Reason two is that I want to be able to hook up a 
  phone patch. This is strictly forbidden in GMRS. Reason three is the "type 
  acceptance" rule that prohibits several quality radios from being used in 
  GMRS.
   
  My questions: 
   
  What kind of cost am I looking at for a repeater 
  pair license?
  Does each user need a separate license? cost per 
  user?
  Can I do the research and find a frequency pair 
  myself, or do I have to go through a coordinator? (if so, what does that 
  cost?)
  (We live in a rural area, Thomasville, GA. 
  Finding a pair should not be hard. I am hoping for a pair in the 460 band, as 
  I have a very nice mastr II for that band.)
  I have been monitoring a specific frequency, and 
  did research through the FCC website on it for users in my area.
  What else should I do to get 
started?
   
  John Clark - 
  KI4AWK













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem frompager transmitters

[Mark Holman]

Something like that should be passed along to the Repeater Council or the 
Official Observer  to see if they can talk to this individual. unless he 
wants to be famous in the ARRL web site with a letter from the FCC or 
something.

I can't offer any other solution.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem 
frompager transmitters


>
> It sure is - a mess, that is. Repeated offers to the guy to offer help 
> with
> a Service Monitor, etc. have gone rejected. He's using a ham dual-bander
> mobile radio at a high-level site, and some of the garbage noise has 
> caused
> one of the main local 2-Meter Portland Repeaters to kerchunk continually
> whenever the IRLP or Echolink (or whatever it's called) "system" keys up.
> It's also tied up one of the main local 2-Meter simplex channels that was
> normally designated for many years as a "Remote Base to Remote Base"
> channel.
>
> What some people won't do just to be a "Repeater Owner".
>
> LJ
>
>
>
> Original Message:
> -
> From: JOHN MACKEY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:12:06 -0600
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem
> frompager transmitters
>
>
>
> Sounds like a similar problem here in Portland, Oregon.
>
> We have a guy running an IRLP node here on what is commonly thought of as 
> 2
> meter simplex frequencies.  The station is on a broadcast tower with high
> elevation running about 375 watts ERP!!!  Mobiles 100 miles away can 
> clearly
> hear the IRLP node!!  The IRLP node is made from amateur grade RF
> equipement &
> has had SEVERAL problems with causing interference with the inputs of 
> other
> repeaters in the area.  Attempting to talk to the owner & suggesting he 
> put
> sharp cavity filters on the transmitter resulted in his reply of "then I
> wouldn't be able to be frequency agile".
>
> Meanwhile, his deviation has been measured at +/- 9 KHz, and he argues 
> that
> there is nothing wrong because a telecom service agency measured & set his
> deviation.
>
> -- Original Message --
> Received: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 09:23:57 AM CST
> From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem
> from
> pager transmitters
>
>>
>> Except that the vast majority of VHF transmitters/networks weren't
>> really capable of multi-freq on the fly as you describe. At least around
>> here, anyway, they were virtually all Micor PURC stations.
>> And most sites would not have allowed the transmitters to remain without
>> cavites anyway.
>> -- 
>> Jim Barbour
>> WD8CHL
>>
>>
>> Joe wrote:
>>
>> > You will find less and less narrow band cavities on paging transmitters
>> > lately.  As the paging industry slowly goes into their death spiral of
>> > loosing customers, they no longer need 2, 4 or more transmitters at
> each
>> > site to deal with the capacity of pagers out there.  What some
> companies
>> > are doing is leaving one transmitter at the site and doing
>> > multi-frequencies out of a single transmitter (This is assuming they
> were
>
>> > all on the same band, 900Mhz for example.)  When they multi-frequency a
>> > transmitter they need to remove any narrow band filters off the
> transmitter
>> > output.  This may explain why some ham repeater sites that were quiet
> now
>
>> > have noise problems.  The irony of it is that you see paging
> transmitters
>
>> > leaving a site and think that the noise floor is going to go down, only
> to
>
>> > find that the nose increases tenfold.
>> >
>> > 73, Joe, K1ike
>> >
>> > At 09:53 AM 12/21/2004, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>All paging transmitters involved should have narrow bandpass cavities
>> >>and circulators on their outputs. That's usually considered a must at
>> >>any site. If the paging company isn't willing to spend the money for
>> >>that, then they aren't to serious about staying in business.
>> >>The good news is that VHF common carrier paging is slowly going away,
>> >>and the remaining frequencies will likely be dropped and released back
>> >>into the general pool in a few years, or less.
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from pager transmitters

[Mark Holman]

Hey I think I'll have mine for Christmas, along with mashed potatoes and 
Gravy  GD !   BTW my initials are MAH reverse HAM  !!

I guess I am a Ham I am !

Keep on smiling !!

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "mch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] HELP: 2 meter repeater intermod problem from 
pager transmitters


>
> Maybe it's like a "Grade A Ham"? ;->
>
> Joe M.
>
> JOHN MACKEY wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm, after 20 years of ham radio, past experience in commercial 2 way &
>> currently working as an Chief Engineer in the radio broadcast field and
>> possessing my Extra Amateur and GROL, I don't know what a "FCC 1st class
>> licensed ham" is!!
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> Received: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:54:16 PM CST
>> From: "kc4ih" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > with to the repeater frequencies by FCC 1st class licensed hams
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 12/17/2004
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] KFI down tower pics

[Mark Holman]

Yeah I just fwd. this link at My SBE Chapter and also to another group and 
someone in the CATV Industry say Skip any other info. like FCC & FAA 
comments on this yet ?  makes a GR* reminder how important those tower light 
inspections are and why they should call the FAA Emergency Number within 30 
Minutes !

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "skipp025" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] KFI down tower pics


>
>
> For those of you who want a closer look at
> the downed kfi (Los Angles) tower.
>
> http://sakrison.com/radio/KFItowercollapse.html
>
>
> enjoy
> skipp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] antenna question for 2M ham. . .

[Mark Holman]

If you have your wind averages sticking a Big ole stick in the sky I found 
this web site useful in planning wind loads.

try http://www.championradio.com/tn-topten-mistakes.html

Good place for anyone to start.

I searched MSN and used the words Radio + Antenna + Wind + Load

there is some stuff technical in nature nad some in PDF file


Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "talviar4499" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:45 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] antenna question for 2M ham. . .


>
>
> OK.
>
> One of the repeaters I help maintain (145.170 located in
> Connellsville, PA on the mountain) recently lost an antenna in the
> wind storms that hit us around the beginning of December.
>
> Antenna we had on the tower was a Celwave PD340-3 (If you have never
> seen a 4 bay folded dipole with the top 3/4 of the antenna flapping
> in the wind, trust me you don't want to. . . Saw the darn thing in
> the middle of the wind storm blowing straight out side ways from the
> tower holding on by the harness. . . )
>
> Past experience with trying to find a "new" replacement shows that
> Celwave doesn't make this model anymore. (Last summer replacing the
> antenna on 147.045 for W3PIE)
>
> Along the lines of the 4 Bay folded dipole arrays what does anyone
> recommend? (Familiar with the DB224E antenna)  Anyone making these
> with an internal harness instead of an external harness? (Weather in
> SW PA is not user friendly especially when putting the antennas on
> the top of a mountain)
>
> If this has been covered in the list prior I apologize, have not had
> time to look in the archives so if covered prior give me a rough idea
> of when so I can look.
>
> Otherwise, reply on the list or direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED] would
> be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Tony, KA3VOR
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tin Sound Audio

[Mark Holman]

If its say a few stations, I would ask what kind of a radio they are 
running, be surprised at the answers I found a few that I would like to 
share ..

1)  Yeah I am running my D-104 Lollipop mike from my CB on my XYZ Radio that 
has HF , 2M. and 440 sounds good doesn't it ?

2) Well I bought this at ABC Radio Shop  and I got a dandy deal for $1.95 
they said they work good on ANY radio.

3) well I had to turn up the Mike Gain ( in Actuallity the Golden 
Screwdriver clown  turned his Devaition Control pot as far as it goes ) so 
it sounds really loud how do you copy me now ?

If the idiocy of these types on 2M. have carried their so called 
professionalism, and after monitoring or talking to these YAHOOS makes you 
wonder.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
***  IT Student *
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "w9mwq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Tin Sound Audio


>
>
> Is there a way to make the audio coming into the repeater a little
> more basey, like would adding say a 47 Ohm resister do it.  Seems
> like certain users voices are very tinny sounding.  Any thoughts.
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Insurance

[Mark Holman]

Its called tweaking the Spam Filter, and its not a set it and forget it.

I have continually have to check the TRASH bin and train the program what to 
ignore or trash it.

SOFTWARE is not a perfect componet subject to revisions, bugs, fixes, Beta 
Versions, etc..

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Kelsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Insurance


>
> People need to remember that email is sometimes not a very reliable means 
> of
> communication. Many times I've found email quarantined in my ISP's spam
> filter. I've also had times when the email just plain doesn't get through.
> It's easy to have something go wrong and have a computer hiccup, loose a
> bunch of messages due to a failing hard drive or for other network 
> problems.
> Sometimes an email will end up on the wrong individuals computer or it 
> could
> have been sent to an inaccurate email address. My point is that lots can
> happen out there in cyberspace - it's not a perfect solution to
> communicating.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Insurance
>
>
>>
>>
>>  Good for you Chuck!
>>
>>  Neil
>>
>> Chuck Kelsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I don't contact them often, when I did email them (ARRL)
>>> last winter regarding a license upgrade, someone got right back
>>> to me and we had a meaningful exchange of emails. No problem at all.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> WB2EDV
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables

[Mark Holman]

What About Hutton ?

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables


>
>
>  TESSCO lost points with me several years ago.
>
>  Neil
>
>
> russ wrote:
>>
>> Well that is how TESSCO does it.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Neil McKie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >   Meaning they will assemble but won't test it - and you don't find
>> >  their mistakes until you are up the tower?
>> >
>> >   That doesn't make any points with me.
>> >
>> >   Neil - WA6KLA
>> >
>> > russ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > The sweep on there site master is extra.
>> > >
>> > > - Original Message -
>> > > From: "W2JRT - Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > To: 
>> > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:56 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The cost of the connector installation is well worth it if they
>> > > > also perform a sweep.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have seen as much as $25 per connector.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > From: "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > To: 
>> > > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:49 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The problem with TESSCO is they charge $7.00 per connector to
>> install
>> > > them
>> > > > > plus the cost of the hard-line and connector. That's $14.00 some
>> folks
>> > > out
>> > > > > there if you buy the parts from them do the install for free.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > > From: "Maire Company" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > > To: 
>> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 9:50 AM
>> > > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Tesco  also
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > > > From: "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > > > To: 
>> > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 4:27 AM
>> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I get mite from Cook Towers, Toll free 877-992-2665 e-mail
>> > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > - Original Message -
>> > > > > > > From: "Barry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > > > > > To: 
>> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:41 AM
>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Source for custom made cables
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> cable experts.com
>> > > > > > >> --- Paul Guello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > RCA plug to BNC jack adapters are readily available.
>> > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > >> > With that adapter all you need then is a N to BNC
>> > > > > > >> > cable, much easier to find or make.
>> > > > > > >> > Paul kb9wlc
>> > > > > > >> > --- w9mwq <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MASTR II mobile conversion question

[Mark Holman]

And I'll add as indecisive lately the way things are going you hope to 
contact a Engineer ( @ the FCC ) if you are absolutely lucky to acquire a 
list.

but thats not a reality here.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MASTR II mobile conversion question


>
> Mathew Quaife wrote:
>
>> I generally don't get involved in online dicussions such as this, but I 
>> will
>> have to concur on what Russ said, as I personally called the FCC field
>> office about this matter about five months ago, and what I was told is 
>> that
>> there is no mobile that is acceptable to be converted as a base repeater.
>> They would not give any model numbers as such, generalized it as mobile
>> radios.  I tried to get them to commit to what could be used, and they 
>> would
>> not elaborate on that either, just stated that it had to be originally 
>> Part
>> 95 certified.  I as well wanted to convert a micor to use on GMRS as a
>> freebie for the public, and was told that it in no way could be used.  If 
>> I
>> search my archives, I might be able to find the original email that I 
>> sent
>> to them before I called there office to confirm.  In actual, the FCC 
>> would
>> not talk to me, they forwarded my call to a help center that dealt with 
>> it
>> directly.  Kinda made me feel that they did not have time for me. 
>> However
>> they was willing to help me get the license if I had my credit card 
>> ready.
>> Tis what I was told, for what it is worth.
>>
>> Mathew
>
> This is why you NEVER call the FCC asking if something is legal-they
> will virtually ALWAYS tell you it's not. It's called CYA, and as a gov't
> agency, they live by it.
> -- 
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MASTR II mobile conversion question

[Mark Holman]

How about uploading that say in a PDF file for everyone to access at the 
repeater builder web site ?

Be a good resource for anyone who has a Q. and I would say make it into say 
for speedier downloads, make it say 10 -20 pages at a time with numbered 
files like    PDF 001-020, PDF 021-040 etc.. ? anyway something that a 
600 page would take way too long .

Just a Thought

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MASTR II mobile conversion question


>
> I have a list that the FCC gave me when I got busted. It is 600 pages long
> front and back. I have a buddy who is going to scan it into a format that
> can be e-mailed.
> 73 Russ,
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 7:47 AM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MASTR II mobile conversion question
>
>
>>
>>
>> Johnny,
>>
>> I am aware about FCC ID search for type acceptance, However Russ
>> said he had a list thats what I asked for.
>>
>> Russ, I just noticed this list you have is 600 pages, Hopefully its
>> in a format such as pdf file copy as it is 600 pages
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> DougD
>> WPSI726
>> KC2KGY
>>
>>
>> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > There is no "list".  You have to do a search on each model radio
>> to see
>> > find out which services it is type accepted for.
>> > Johnny
>> >
>> >
>> > Doug D. wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Russ,
>> > >
>> > > It would be a great help to licensed GMRS users if you could
>> post
>> > > that list somewhere such as here or Popular Communications GMRS
>> > > Forum. This is a hot topic over there too. Or could you email me
>> a
>> > > copy of the list?
>> > >
>> > > DougD
>> > > WPSI726
>> > > KC2KGY
>> > >
>> > > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >>I mite be wrong. Where did you look it up at? I have the list
>> from
>> > >
>> > > the FCC I
>> > >
>> > >>just got it about 3 months back and there are no GE's on it
>> (GMRS
>> > >
>> > > Part 95)
>> > >
>> > >>It is about 600 pages long and no GE.
>> > >>73 Russ,
>> > >>Ham, W3CH.
>> > >>GMRS, WPYK-254.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: Service monitor question (was Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE-4)

[Mark Holman]

What about this Ramsey Service Monitor ? Is it good or just something to 
advoid  ?
Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "wb6ymh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:25 AM
Subject: Service monitor question (was Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman 
CE-4)


>
>
> The CE-5 has 1 Khz steps and does not do full duplex.  There are
> various options on the IFRs some have tracking generators.
>
> I've done a bit of googling for IFRs and Cushmans, but I guess they
> are too old, I found very little information other than old for sale
> ads.  (And one guy that had a picture of himself and his CE-50 along
> with his other "family album" pictures !)
>
> There seem to be quite a few Motorola service monitors on ebay, but
> from what I remember they had a reputation for being unreliable.
>
> I'll bet the CE-5 drifts a little less than the model 80 it's
> replacing (grin).
>
> 73's Skip WB6YMH
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> At 12/13/2004 08:23 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> >I bought a CE-31A on e-Bay for $225, then saw one go
> at "Deerchester" for
>> >$125 (sob !!).
>> >
>> >73, Dick, W1KSZ
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: wb6ymh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Sent: Dec 13, 2004 9:45 AM
>> >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Cushman CE-4
>> >
>> >I just bought a CE-5 on ebay for $205.46, the last one from the
> same
>> >guy when for $199.  He has yet another one up for auction now.  In
>> >the picture it looks to be in good condition, but I haven't
> received
>> >it yet ...  a bit of buyer remorse is already starting to set in.
> I
>> >use to use a CE-3, they are not small or light.  I also don't want
>> >to admit how many times I rebuild the attenuator pad!
>>
>> Will any of the above mentioned monitors do full-duplex
> measurements?  How
>> about freq. step size at UHF?  Some of the low-end monitors only
> do 12.5
>> kHz, which can be a problem for us in SoCal as we now use 20 kHz
> throughout
>> 420-450 MHz.
>>
>> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Update: Problem with Spectrum Communications Corp.

[Mark Holman]

Spread Spectrum was actually a early design by the late actress Hedi Lamarr 
and George Antheil  check out 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_hopping#Invented_by_a_movie_star

interesting stuff .

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Coy Hilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 11:45 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Update: Problem with Spectrum Communications 
Corp.


>
>
> I can't imagine anyone sending them a cent after seeing what has
> been said on this board about Spectrum and a few others. At least
> you know right up front that you've been screwed, rather than having
> to put up a piece of crap "repeater" and finding out from the local
> radio comunity or the FCC that you've been screwed twice by them.
> I've seen what they sell for radio equipment, and I can't see how
> the FCC type accepted them for anything more than a few micro watts
> of output. I think Spectrum invented SPREAD SPECTRUM before anyone
> wanted it, IF you know what I mean.
>
> Take a few bucks and buy a Good USED GE MASTRII mobile with manual
> and spend a several hours doing the conversion and learning. Then
> you will have a very good repeater AND you will know how it works,
> in case it ever fails.
>
> OH GOOOD LUCK!!
> If you get a chance jack 'em up, Way UP
> 73
> AC0Y
>
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "n9fam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Our Ham club ordered a repeater from Spectrum back in April, and
> have
>> never received the ordered product.  We have tried to deal with
> them,
>> but it has become apparent that they (1) cannot produce the
> product
>> anymore, and (2) have no intention of repaying us our money ("we
> have
>> spent the money already, we are a very small company, and we thus
>> can't afford to give your money back").  Admittedly they tried to
>> give us another (cheaper, de-featured) repeater, but it was more
> of
>> an attempt to stall us off and buy time.
>>
>> We have thus filed a formal complaint with our state Attorney
>> General, and probably will have to file against them in
> Pennsylvania
>> (Spectrum's home state).  We also are prepared to file a complaint
>> for mail fraud with the Postal Inspectors, but are holding off
> until
>> we see if the Illinois Attorney General's office accomplishes
>> something first.
>>
>> Thus, if any of you are looking at Spectrum for equipment or
> repairs,
>> be aware that they are apparently having some serious problems.
>> Among other issues, they do not respond in writing to any
> inquiries,
>> and screen all of their phone calls (do not answer the phone
>> directly).  Plus, they claim to have lost their primary engineer
>> recently.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone on this reflector who responded several weeks
> ago
>> to my inquiry.  From those cooments, we have concluded that
> Spectrum
>> has a history of recent problems, and thus have proceeded to
> follow
>> the legal route, as they seem unwilling to play fair otherwise.
>>
>> '73
>>
>> John Coker, N9FAM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Update: Problem with Spectrum Communications Corp.

[Mark Holman]

Also try  this site http://www.plannetfeedback.com  weather this business is 
registered there who knows, but such a posting will be public information.

works with places like Wendys, Magic Chef / Maytage, etc.. I either get a 
reply , by phone or letter, or an email.

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "n9fam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 9:30 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Update: Problem with Spectrum Communications 
Corp.


>
>
>
> Our Ham club ordered a repeater from Spectrum back in April, and have
> never received the ordered product.  We have tried to deal with them,
> but it has become apparent that they (1) cannot produce the product
> anymore, and (2) have no intention of repaying us our money ("we have
> spent the money already, we are a very small company, and we thus
> can't afford to give your money back").  Admittedly they tried to
> give us another (cheaper, de-featured) repeater, but it was more of
> an attempt to stall us off and buy time.
>
> We have thus filed a formal complaint with our state Attorney
> General, and probably will have to file against them in Pennsylvania
> (Spectrum's home state).  We also are prepared to file a complaint
> for mail fraud with the Postal Inspectors, but are holding off until
> we see if the Illinois Attorney General's office accomplishes
> something first.
>
> Thus, if any of you are looking at Spectrum for equipment or repairs,
> be aware that they are apparently having some serious problems.
> Among other issues, they do not respond in writing to any inquiries,
> and screen all of their phone calls (do not answer the phone
> directly).  Plus, they claim to have lost their primary engineer
> recently.
>
> Thanks for everyone on this reflector who responded several weeks ago
> to my inquiry.  From those cooments, we have concluded that Spectrum
> has a history of recent problems, and thus have proceeded to follow
> the legal route, as they seem unwilling to play fair otherwise.
>
> '73
>
> John Coker, N9FAM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller madness (whiz' bang - sparkle!)

[Mark Holman]

Heard the Plastic Saturn has a vechicle is metal now,  after seeing a heap 
of plastic crap on the County Road  pushed by a shovel totally toast didn't 
take the road crew to shovel it up and toss in the rear of a standard box 
dump truck!  wish I had my digital camera to share the pile of junk !!

Another Chevy Vega mishap !

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard W. Solomon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller madness (whiz' bang - 
sparkle!)


>
> Why do all these new cars look like "rice boxes" ??
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Tedd Doda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Dec 8, 2004 11:14 AM
> To: "Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com" 
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: controller madness (whiz' bang - 
> sparkle!)
>
>
> On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:02:45 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>They are so UN-cool.
>
> I agree Garynothing beats the sound of an North
> American small block V-8 (overhead cams really help!).
>
> Just one for example:
>
> http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/launch
>
> Makes me want to sell my '78 Mustang and Windstar :)
>
>
>
> Tedd Doda, VE3TJD
>
> Lazer Audio and Electronics
> Baden, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Yahoo Survey

[Mark Holman]

I just hit the delete button the Red X , not to be confused with the other 
Red X ( for those who are DSCC members of the Low Band )

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Custer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; "Repeater-Builder list at RBTIP" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 8:03 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Yahoo Survey


>
>
>>
>
> Well, it looks like Yaehoo has seen fit to include top mounted garbage
> again
>
> I am testing a new email server at Repeater-Builder Dot Com.  
> (more than one way to skin a rat)
>
> Kevin Custer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Remote Receiver's Dumb Question

[Mark Holman]

Best Bet   have this other repeater 2 in and 70cm. out on different freqs. 
ideally if they were separated by XX amt. of miles say a good 20 miles apart 
eliminates the need for desense, equiptment, etc. you can also ultilize ( if 
your clubs wallet wants  ) what I just read in a 2 way mag that using  ROIP 
or Echolink between the 2  repeaters this would eliminate interference over 
UHF, as well wiring the 2 together.  GR8 IT experience.


Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "w9mwq" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Remote Receiver's Dumb Question


>
>
>
> Wanted to find out if anyone has ever done such a operation and what
> the results were.  Here goes:  I have a two meter repeater that has
> a 440 repeater tied to it.  What I want to do is take a vhr receiver
> and a uhf transmitter going in on 2 and out on 440 from a remote
> site that will have a beam on 440 back to the repeater.  Trying to
> avoid using different PL's, and escape the expense of a Voter
> system, how would the repeater act if the user was getting into both
> the remote 2 meter receiver as well as the one tied to the
> repeater?  Would the receiver with the strongest signal override the
> weaker one, or would there just be plain havack on there.  What are
> some of the thoughts.
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 








 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote Receiver

[Mark Holman]

I had a QSO with a ham who went to this 802.11 and dropped his DSL or dial 
up, he had mentioned something about gain increase with a beam antenna just 
to get in ..  weather the company for that area selling the access had set 
this up I have no clue.

I think the FCC  has other Big Fish to fry like Nextel vs. BAS rebanding , 
and a few other Big Name Businesses who have bigger wallets, and K1MAN and 
other things we all know  !

Mark Holman  AB8RU
Happy Holidays
- Original Message - 
From: "Wade Lake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote 
Receiver


>
> Not that I am sticking up for rule breakers or anything, but I doubt
> the FCC has the manpower to go after 802.11 offenders.  It's basically 
> like
> with CB anymore.  If you are not causing major problems for a lot of 
> folks,
> they arent going to look your way.
>
> That being said, I believe in careful compliance to the rules.  The
> Part 15 rules are not as straight forward as a maximum ERP.  They allow 1
> watt with a 6dBi gain antenna and they require a reduction in power, a dB 
> of
> power for a dB of antenna gain, for omni antennas that have more than 6dBi
> of gain.  For directional antennas running point to point, they require a
> reduction of 1dB in power for every 3 dBi of antenna gain over the allowed
> 6dBi.  This becomes a little confusing but it means that when you account
> for cable losses, most point to point setups running a 1/2 wat or 1 watt 
> amp
> with the grid-dish type antennas and yagis, are in the clear.
>
> Wade - KR7K
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mike Perryman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 2:59 PM
> Subject: RE: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote
> Receiver
>
>
>>
>> I realize this is a "rules thing"...  pardon my momentary digression
>>
>> Please keep in mind that the power limitation for those part 15 devices 
>> is
>> ERP...  not TPO.  Lots of folks with high gain antennas and amplifiers on
>> their houses are in violation...  hope they don't get caught.
>> Seems the Commission has been on an enforcement (revenue) binge lately..
> no
>> slack given.
>>
>>  73's
>> Mike Perryman
>> www.k5jmp.us
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bob Dengler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 4:51 PM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: 4-wire E&M + VoIP (was: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Remote
>> Receiver
>>
>>
>>
>> At 12/8/2004 12:40 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> >Steve Rodgers wrote:
>> >
>> > >Nate,
>> > >
>> > >Why not use a full duplex RF link to your data center?  That way you
>> could
>> > >have "dumb" hardware at the site, and all your smarts at the data
>> > center. You
>> > >could also avoid paying for a DSL connection at the site as well.
>> > >
>> > >Steve
>> > >WA6ZFT
>> > >
>> > >
>> >Ah, a number of reasons.
>> >
>> >Commercial sites you pay by the antenna, but there's more often than not
>> >at least one TCP/IP pipe that someone already pays for at most
>> >commercial sites now that an appropriate deal can be made to ride along
>> >on, and some really fat shared pipes available at some.
>> >
>> >Simplicity - maintaining a cheap IAXy device (throw it away if it
>> >breaks) is better than messing with multiple link radios, feedlines,
>> >antennas, etc.  Put the redundancy in the data network instead.
>> >
>> >Why?  If you put your own IP pipes in, you can do other things with
>> >them... it's more "universally useful" than a dedicated link radio to do
>> >other "stuff" with at the sites... remote monitoring, reprogramming, run
>> >club servers, remote power switching, etc etc etc... and
>> >what-have-you... lots of uses only limited by imagination -- a dedicated
>> >link radio is a one-hit wonder.
>>
>> ...and if internet isn't available at the site, how about using 802.11b 
>> or
>> a to bring it in?  I've yet with play with that stuff, but it sounds to 
>> me
>> like a pair of gain antennas at each end could get you a couple of miles
> to
>> where you would have wired internet access.  Anyone try this?
>>
>> Bob NO6B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 








 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Club Call Sign

[Mark Holman]

Yes I do Agree, but mostly clubs tend to apply for a Vanity Call ie  W8LRC 
is Lowell Radio Club   and W8LHS is Lowell High School so the club 
subsitutes a Club call under the old Sys. and comes up with this Vanity Call 
which to me is cool, but it works GR8 4 everyone.

Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: "Tony King - W4ZT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Cc: "Barry Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] snide remarks


>
> Hi Barry,
>
> 
>
> In part 97.205
> (<http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/47cfr97_03.html>) there's
> no provision for anything other than a call sign assigned to an individual
> or a club. FCC assigned call signs for amateur repeaters ended years ago.
> When the requirement for FCC assigned repeater call signs ended, they no
> longer renewed the licenses they granted under the old rules. That's why I
> said "previously WR4APT".
>
> 73, Tony W4ZT
>
> At 02:33 AM 12/3/2004, Barry wrote:
>>Hello Tony, with respect for your "old fart" status
>>where under part 97 does it allow you to place your
>>FCC assigned callsign for your personal station on
>>your repeater?
>>
>>Only the FCC can assign a callsign to a repeater
>>through a special application if requested, otherwise
>>no transmission of a personal callsign is authorized
>>per part 97.x.
>>
>>Regards, Barry
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] snide remarks

[Mark Holman]

I'll agree with Tony ..
            
                
        An Amateur is considerate towards others, 
part of the Radio Amateurs Code  I don't flaunt my license 
class towards anyone, or that I am persuing advanced interests in 
electronics.
 
I have been in other Chat-BBSes that are purely BS with an 
arrogant person or 2. if the put down is someones upbringing then I say they are 
in  the One Percenters club,  I don't have time to run a flame 
thrower, and FYI, I always block senders who waste my time anyhow.
 
2 people have made my blocked senders list 
already.
 
Happy Holidays !!
 
Mark HolmanIsn't Radio Fun !! ??

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Tony 
  King - W4ZT 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 4:43 
  AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] snide 
  remarks
  We all have occasion to suffer from diarrhea of the mouth and 
  fortunately when spoken those words don't linger for long in the minds of most 
  of those that hear them. Unfortunately when those same words are put in print 
  they linger way beyond the half life of plutonium.I really couldn't 
  care less how long you've been a ham or how old you are or whose cousin you 
  married. It's careless and down right rude to respond  the way the two 
  gentlemen below did. We've seen more and more of this kind of response on this 
  list and others lately and, without appearing thin skinned, I'm pretty tired 
  of it. Gentlemen, if you can't offer sincere help or an opinion that's 
  relevant or that doesn't reflect negatively on your upbringing, it might be 
  better to leave it alone.73, Tony W4ZTAt 11:44 PM 11/30/2004, 
  Neal Newman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Sorry I cannot resist  this 
one.. And you call yourself a 
  Ham?...At 12:39 AM 12/2/2004, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  RE using 
CTCSS:Nobody said repeater owners were smart. The SERA group just 
rescinded their new rule of requiring CTCSS/DCS on all new repeater pairs 
because too many of the old farts complained. (most probably didn't know how 
to program a tone in their machines or radios.) (might have something to do 
with cousins marrying cousins)Art - KC7GF"old fart since 
42" 
  













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ten meter repeater setups

[Mark Holman]

I thought on 10 M. that some are tone access ?

I think Chicago, IL did ??

Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: "Wade Lake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ten meter repeater setups


>
> Amen,
>
> I have had a few 10 meter repeater QSO's just to try it.  They were all
> incredibly short due to about 12 interfering repeaters all being keyed up 
> at
> once!!   You would think that a 10 meter repeater op would, at the very
> least, set them up to require a CTCSS tone so that they dont interfere 
> with
> every other repeater on the channel with every carrier on the input freq.
>
> Wade - KR7K
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ten meter repeater setups
>
>
>>
>> We sure hear them out on the West Coast. Quite a few of them have Midwest
>> (5,8 and 9) area call signs, as well as the East coast call areas 1,2,3
> and
>> 4. All four pairs are completely busy with multiple repeaters when the
> band
>> is open, which is quite a bit lately. ALl I have to do is key any of the
>> 10FM Radios with a signal (with no CTCSS encoder being used) and there
> they
>> are.
>>
>> I'm using a 100W MICOR base station on 10-Meters. I also hear the same
>> activity on my ICOM HF transceiver, an Azden PCS-10 handheld transcevier,
>> and my TenTec Omni VI +.
>>
>> Four repeater channels + a 10M Repeater in nearly every little jerkwater
>> town = a Real mess!
>>
>> LJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -
>> From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:48:46 -0500
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ten meter  repeater setups
>>
>>
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Whatever equipment you do use, be *SURE* you have it in CTCSS access
> (Not
>> > carrier squelch). There are only four 10M FM repeater channels, and 
>> > even
>> > during this low part of the sunspot cycle, they're unusable due to the
>> > numbers of repeaters on each of the four channels. They ID on top of
> each
>> > other, drop in and out as the signals take fades, talk to themselves
>> > spewing out time, temperature, elevation, club names, etc. etc.  A real
>> > mess. If we could select the one we want to use with the appropriate
> tone,
>> > (like we used to be able to do), it would be a good thing.
>> >
>> > Now Six meters, there's a good place for a low-band repeater system.
> Lots
>> > more channels available.
>> >
>> > Larry
>>
>> I'd sure like to know where all these 10M FM repeaters are. It's so rare
>> that I find ANYTHING I can hit that I seldom bother.
>> Btw, I'm running a 110W Syntor X with an A/S base loaded whip on the
>> jeep. I know it works after talking to CA, AZ, MT, WA, FL, TX, VE7's,
>> much of the east coast, and Spain on 29.6 (from OH). But the repeater
>> pairs are nearly dead. If the band is up, I can hit a machine in PR, but
>> never get a response. That's about it.
>> But I agree 6M is a better place for a repeater. If your group wants
>> 10M, how about a remote base on 29.6? Just make sure there aren't any
>> ID's or other stuff coming out on 10, just the person talking.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jim Barbour
>> WD8CHL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
>> http://mail2web.com/ .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Location of "weep hole" in Hustler G6-440 UHF antenna?

[Mark Holman]

My Comet SSB 5 has a hole makes a dandy whistle going down the road, 1st. 
week a deer turned and ran the opposite direction, I may have a built in 
Deer Alert being I cut the rod for tuning.  hope noone reads this and jack 
the price up !


Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Location of "weep hole" in Hustler G6-440 UHF 
antenna?


>
> There's been a lot of discussion regarding "weep holes" in
> fiberglass-enclosed antennas.  I have my G6-440 in the shack, which was
> mounted upside down for many years at a site with the top cap removed so
> I'm assuming whoever installed it plugged the weep hole.  However, after
> removing all the silicone sealant I can't find it.  Anyone know where it 
> is
> so I can be sure the antenna will drain properly whenever I reinstall
> it?  I'd rather not drill unnecessary holes that might weaken the
> fiberglass.  Thanks.
>
> Bob NO6B
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hi there,Glad to have found this group

[Mark Holman]

to answer your FCC Question go to http://www.fcc.gov

Is broadcasting your gig ?  try http://www.sbe.org 

also type in Broadcasting in Google be surprised to fin alot of stuff ...


Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??
Electronics Student 

- Original Message - 
From: "Marty Moilanen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 2:02 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Hi there,Glad to have found this group


> 
> 
> 
> I have a ham radio, my call name is "N6man"
> I rarely am on the computer, and spend a whole lot MORE time ON the 
> radio! (I know I am New and being "Moderated",so please forgive me
> If I am doing a no-no,.. May I post this link?
> it is to my web site.   www.N6man.com   
> I am an electrician/Musician/and Radio operator/owner. Radio station 
> as well, although IT is not running at the moment, Hopefully It will 
> soon. It is partly operational at this time, I need to get some info 
> on Where do I get a custon crystal?  I think I might NEED to contact 
> the FCC directly?
> Thank you,
> Marty M.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>




 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] IC 2720

[Mark Holman]

I was wondering if the RF Amp is designed to operate where you are using 
them wouldn't you have to change the RF Amp Module ?

I know everyone does that but I read the specs to the amps on RF Parts web 
site despite you tune the ant. for low SWR but wouldn't you have to install 
a RF Mod. for that freq. range ?

Curious ?

Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Edgar McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] IC 2720


>
> I now have 3 2720s and yes they are ham rigs. Also, They are tuned for 
> local comercial freq that we do church ops on as well commercial freq for 
> Severe Weather Research.
>
> Verry well built rig.
>
> kb8qeu
>
> Robert Grizzard wrote:
>
>> It is a ham rig.  The problem I can see is if the 2 meter side is carrier 
>> controlled the user will have to wait for the repeater to time out to use 
>> the '2720.  The repeater on the 2 meter side will need to transmit either 
>> DCS or tone to make this work without making the user wait for carrier 
>> drop.
>>
>> Again, it isn't type accepted for commercial frequencies.  I have this 
>> radio and like it quite a bit; nevertheless, I flat missed the frequency 
>> ranges of interest the first time I saw this question.
>>
>> de kg7yy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Jim B." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Nov 24, 2004 10:37 AM
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] IC 2720
>>
>> What is an IC-2720? If it's a ham rig, it's not type accepted for the
>> commercial freqs you mention (at least in the US), so it cannot be used
>> for this purpose.
>> And even if you use type-accepted gear, as someone else pointed out,
>> licensing that UHF freq for a link will be difficult, if not impossible.
>> Again, I'm assuming you're in the US.
>> --
>> Jim Barbour
>> WD8CHL
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question

[Mark Holman]

also those cheap plastic insulators that melt to a solder iron on PL-259's 
those too I threw out cannot remember what place had em !  but absolute junk 
!

Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: "NØATH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question


>
> The Teflon and silver connectors I have used absolutely will not stay 
> tight.
> Now it says Amphenol or Andrews or it doesn't go to the repeater site. Yes
> they "shor do solder purty", I am still wondering about the magic you used
> to get the aluminum soldered. Can't imagine that's actually - well you get
> the picture. Best of luck - Dave
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 11:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax Question
>
>
>>
>> I just made some cables for my repeater to replace the RG-213 between
>> duplexer and radios.  The only double shielded coax I could find locally
>> from my "Hook up" was something called Certified Quality Flexi 4XL 8IIA.
>> It looks like a flexible version of 9913 with a stranded center conductor
>> wraped with the poly thread and what looks like 97% outter braid,  I 
>> don't
>> know if it is silver plated or not. The inner shield will not suck solder
>> so I am assuming it is aluminum.  But I put on some teflon and silver
>> plate PL-259s using Kester 2% silver solder and I must say it was the
>> easiest solder job I did on a 259.
>>
>> The antenna feed will remain RG-213 untill I can find either RG-214 or
>> some 1/4" LDF1-50A, It is only a 15' run.
>>
>> I'll let y'all know how they work out.
>>
>>
>> James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Foil under braid tends to make noise into duplex systems! The two
>>>dissimilar metals against each other move slightly and noise is 
>>>made.nbsp;
>>>Hardline also provides better isolation (another aid in preventing things
>>>such as PIM, desense, etc.).nbsp; Noise gets worse at closer split
>>>frequencies (ie - 600Kc split 2 meters, 500/1000Kc 6 meter)
>>>
>>>Inside cabinets, the following are all great (depending on power 
>>>out)nbsp;
>>>1/4" superflex, 1/2" superflex, RG214 (pref silver), RG142, RG400 (142 
>>>and
>>>400 are very flexible), RG393 (RG8 sized stuff, looks like 142 or 400
>>>though).nbsp; My 2 meter machine has all RG214 since the runs are short.
>>>My UHF machines all have short RG142 runs, except the high power output
>>>from the amps with 1/2" superflex or RG214. Duplexer to the polyphaser is
>>>1/2" superflex on all UHF machines.
>>>
>>>hope that answered the questions!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Scott Overstreet wrote:
>>> OK guys ---Inbsp;hear you all sayingnbsp;that hard line is better but
>>> none of you have said what is the actual problem with 9913 flex or
>>> LMR-400. In other words---What is wrong with a quality foil under braid
>>> "100%"shielded foamnbsp;cable and I'm assuming use between receiver
>>> andnbsp; duplexer, transmitter and duplexer and duplexer and antenna?
>>> nbsp; nbsp;And then the next question that follows is that inside a
>>> cabinet full of stuff where 1/2 inch hard line is just to 
>>> stiff -what
>>> do you suggest ---and in this case assume that we are talking about 
>>> three
>>> or four repeatersyes, receivers, transmitters, isolators and
>>> duplexers all in the same rack cabinet?
>>> nbsp; Scott
>>> N6NXI
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*Yahoo!
>>>Groups Links*
>>> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/
>>>nbsp; To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>nbsp; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of 
>>>Service.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> __
>> Switch to Netscape Internet Service.
>> As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at
>> http://isp.netscape.com/register
>>
>> Netscape. Just the Net You Need.
>>
>> New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer
>> Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups.
>> Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price

[Mark Holman]

I recalled many moons ago that one Christmas Eve Radio Shack used to have 
that discount coupon ? well I came in seen a scanner was marked down, well I 
bought the scanner with that coupon and that scanner is sitting right now in 
my room, actually I own 2 other R/S Scanners all 800 Mhz. for now I could 
care less if its trunking capable, but I probably use em oh once in awhile.

Just busy now w/ XYL !!

Mark Holman
Isn't Radio Fun !! ??

- Original Message - 
From: "Mathew Quaife" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price


>
> This is true, but bet if there is any left you can get them to sell you 
> one.
> A sold item is better than a discontinued item.  Enjoy!
>
> Mathew
>
>
>>
>> It's not a 1-day sale - it was only from 6AM until Noon.
>>
>> Joe M.
>>
>> Mike WA6ILQ wrote:
>> >
>> > Forwarded to WA6ILQ by another mailing list...
>> >
>> > >Subject: 1-day scanner sale - RS PRO-83 1/2 Price
>> > >
>> > >Had to go to Radio Shack today for work, which turned out good for
>> > >me. Today (Nov. 26) ONLY the PRO-83 is $59.99, 1/2 off. This is a non-
>> > >trunking scanner. It covers the normal VHF and UHF scanner
>> > >frequencies (i.e. no mil air) and 800/900 MHz. It has ten banks of
>> > >memories, with 20 memories per bank.
>> > >
>> > >What sets this scanner apart is the feature called Signal Stalker
>> > >Search. This functions in a manner similar to the Optoelectronics
>> > >Scout's ability to reaction tune a receiver by detecting nearby
>> > >transmissions. I use a Scout - Smart Line - Bearcat combination, and
>> > >the PRO-83 is comparable, better is some ways and worse in others
>> > >(one improvement is that everything is in one box).
>> >
>> > If you had a Scout / Smartline / Bearcat you could be
>> > within 50 feet of someone with a handheld and when
>> > they squeezed the PTT you'd instantly have the TX
>> > freq and PL. This can be useful in many situations.
>> > The RS scanner - at $60 - is handy for just this feature.
>> > In addition you get a 10m/low band / 6m / aircraft /
>> > 2m / highband / UHF / 800 / 900 mhz scanner that
>> > you can load up with frequencies from your PC.
>> >
>> > Get them while they are in stock !!!
>> >
>> > Mike WA6ILQ
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 





 
Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output

[Mark Holman]

You mean toast everything ! !!!
Mark Holman, CROAB8RU

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Q 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 4:23 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE MASTR 
  ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output
  
  Sure will cause problems,it will throw the bias off causing 
  all kinds of trouble.Best to feed it proper voltage or none at all.Try 
  starting your car on 10 volts
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Mathew 
Quaife 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2004 1:43 
PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE 
MASTR ER41 Receiver Low Audio Output

Ok, brings up a good question, I fed the 12 volts section 
with the 10 volts supply, would this drop of 2 volts cause a major drop in 
the audio out section?
 
Mathew
 













Yahoo! Groups Links

To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ 
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.