[Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
presentation tomorrow.

Joe M.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[VE3ID]

What country are you in?

The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still 
on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.  We got 
a lot of help from the folks in the BARRA group in Buffalo NY, so they 
were on the air before that.  Repeaters in the UK started much later 
than that, I have a letter somewhere from an RSGB officer saying they 
were just considering them on an experimental basis in the seventies.

73,
Nigel
ve3id




mch wrote:
>
> I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
> the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
> repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
> presentation tomorrow.
>
> Joe M.
>
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Ken Arck]

At 07:56 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:

>What country are you in?
>
>The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
>on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.

<---Sorry but no :-)

http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf

Ken




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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

He said the first in Canada, Ken. :-)

Thanks very much for the link!

Joe M.

Ken Arck wrote:
> 
> At 07:56 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
> 
> >What country are you in?
> >
> >The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
> >on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.
> 
> <---Sorry but no :-)
> 
> http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf
> 
> Ken
> 
> --
> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
> http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
> we offer complete repeater packages!
> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
> http://www.irlp.net
> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

I was/am looking for USA, but thanks
for the history north of the border!

I did read a web page about the first repeater in the UK.

Joe M.

VE3ID wrote:
> 
> What country are you in?
> 
> The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
> on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.  We got
> a lot of help from the folks in the BARRA group in Buffalo NY, so they
> were on the air before that.  Repeaters in the UK started much later
> than that, I have a letter somewhere from an RSGB officer saying they
> were just considering them on an experimental basis in the seventies.
> 
> 73,
> Nigel
> ve3id
> 
> mch wrote:
> >
> > I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
> > the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
> > repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
> > presentation tomorrow.
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Ken Arck]

At 08:47 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:

>He said the first in Canada, Ken. :-)

<---So he did!

Ken
(at least I know ham isn't bacon!) 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

Thanks again, Ken. That is exactly what I was looking for.

I believe there are some other folks who lay claim to the 'father of
repeaters', too.

In all honesty, it looks like it happened in steps - with Art being the
first (perhaps) to put up the first fully automatic repeater. Even that
article quotes him as knowing of another system which was automatic but
manned.

Joe M.

Ken Arck wrote:
> 
> At 07:56 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
> 
> >What country are you in?
> >
> >The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
> >on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.
> 
> <---Sorry but no :-)
> 
> http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf
> 
> Ken
> 
> --
> President and CTO - Arcom Communications
> Makers of repeater controllers and accessories.
> http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/
> Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and
> we offer complete repeater packages!
> AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000
> http://www.irlp.net
> "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

Found once source:


But it doesn't say where the first modern (automatic retransmitting)
repeater was... or whose callsign.

Joe M.

mch wrote:
> 
> I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
> the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
> repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
> presentation tomorrow.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Jim]

mch wrote:
> Found once source:
> 
> 
> But it doesn't say where the first modern (automatic retransmitting)
> repeater was... or whose callsign.
> 
> Joe M.

Hmmm-there must be a few errors in there about the exact band segments. 
The first FM repeater here was a RACES machine down in the 145 segment 
(different rules), but the first non-RACES repeater was 146.34 in and 
146.76 out, circa 1968?, next was 146.46 in and 146.82 out in 1969, 
right after that was 146.88 in, 146.40 out (that's right!). The .76 
machine was 'whistle-up', the other two were carrier squelch.

Also the UHF repeaters that I know of were 449.0-449.95 in, and 
447.0-447.95 out.
-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

What area are you talking about?

Joe M.

Jim wrote:
> 
> mch wrote:
> > Found once source:
> > 
> >
> > But it doesn't say where the first modern (automatic retransmitting)
> > repeater was... or whose callsign.
> >
> > Joe M.
> 
> Hmmm-there must be a few errors in there about the exact band segments.
> The first FM repeater here was a RACES machine down in the 145 segment
> (different rules), but the first non-RACES repeater was 146.34 in and
> 146.76 out, circa 1968?, next was 146.46 in and 146.82 out in 1969,
> right after that was 146.88 in, 146.40 out (that's right!). The .76
> machine was 'whistle-up', the other two were carrier squelch.
> 
> Also the UHF repeaters that I know of were 449.0-449.95 in, and
> 447.0-447.95 out.
> --
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Bob Dengler]

At 6/25/2007 08:00 PM, you wrote:
>At 07:56 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
>
> >What country are you in?
> >
> >The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
> >on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.
>
><---Sorry but no :-)
>
>http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf

Not the first, but one of the 1st (maybe 2nd?) & certainly the most complex 
of its time:

http://wa6tdd.tripod.com/

Between the audio processing & circular polarized antenna, it was perfectly 
copyable all over the LA basin on an old deaf multiband 
(AM/FM/shortwave/VHF) receiver.  Remember these things only had a wideband 
FM receiver.

Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[VE3ID]

All I said was that VE3RPT was the first repeater in *Canada.  *I don't 
know about foreign countries

73
ve3id

*

*

Bob Dengler wrote:
>
> At 6/25/2007 08:00 PM, you wrote:
> >At 07:56 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote:
> >
> > >What country are you in?
> > >
> > >The first amateur repeater in Canada was VE3RPT in 1965, which is still
> > >on the air but now in its forth (soon to be fifth) incarnation.
> >
> ><---Sorry but no :-)
> >
> >http://www2.arrl.org/qst/2004/03/pasterna.pdf 
> 
>
> Not the first, but one of the 1st (maybe 2nd?) & certainly the most 
> complex
> of its time:
>
> http://wa6tdd.tripod.com/ 
>
> Between the audio processing & circular polarized antenna, it was 
> perfectly
> copyable all over the LA basin on an old deaf multiband
> (AM/FM/shortwave/VHF) receiver. Remember these things only had a wideband
> FM receiver.
>
> Bob NO6B
>
> 
> 
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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> 10:07
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Jim]

mch wrote:
> What area are you talking about?
> 
> Joe M.
> 

Cleveland

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[w5zit]

I have a buddy (WA5QKE) who had a repeater on the air in Conroe TX 
before they were legal. He was headed to a site with an FCC engineer 
one day when it got keyed and the squelch tail was plainly audible 
along with the ID. He had to take it off the air for several years 
until they were legalized.

73 - im W5ZIT

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?






I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
presentation tomorrow.

Joe M.



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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

Huh? When were they not legal? W6MEP's repeater was on in 1956.

Maybe your friend didn't have a control link?

Joe M.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> I have a buddy (WA5QKE) who had a repeater on the air in Conroe TX
> before they were legal. He was headed to a site with an FCC engineer
> one day when it got keyed and the squelch tail was plainly audible
> along with the ID. He had to take it off the air for several years
> until they were legalized.
> 
> 73 - im W5ZIT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 8:31 pm
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?
> 
> I know this is somewhat controversial, but I'm looking for the date/year
> the first ham repeater was put on the air. Anyone know of a webpage with
> repeater history? Would like to have this info tonight for a
> presentation tomorrow.
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Jim]

mch wrote:
> Huh? When were they not legal? W6MEP's repeater was on in 1956.
> 
> Maybe your friend didn't have a control link?
> 
> Joe M.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> I have a buddy (WA5QKE) who had a repeater on the air in Conroe TX
>> before they were legal. He was headed to a site with an FCC engineer
>> one day when it got keyed and the squelch tail was plainly audible
>> along with the ID. He had to take it off the air for several years
>> until they were legalized.
>>
>> 73 - im W5ZIT

And it seems to me there was a point in there where it had to be 
licensed as a repeater. If he didn't have that, I could see his dilemma.
But I don't think there was ever a time they were completely illegal 
here in the US.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

Reepaters were first licensed in 1972 when the FCC issued the repeater
rules. They were granted 'WR' callsigns in 1974 (which was discontinued
around 1978).

They were never prohibited in Part 97 AFAIK based on my research of
repeaters. They were required to have a control operator at a control
point (or locally) until 1998-ish when the FCC authorized automatic
control.

Joe M.

Jim wrote:
> 
> mch wrote:
> > Huh? When were they not legal? W6MEP's repeater was on in 1956.
> >
> > Maybe your friend didn't have a control link?
> >
> > Joe M.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> I have a buddy (WA5QKE) who had a repeater on the air in Conroe TX
> >> before they were legal. He was headed to a site with an FCC engineer
> >> one day when it got keyed and the squelch tail was plainly audible
> >> along with the ID. He had to take it off the air for several years
> >> until they were legalized.
> >>
> >> 73 - im W5ZIT
> 
> And it seems to me there was a point in there where it had to be
> licensed as a repeater. If he didn't have that, I could see his dilemma.
> But I don't think there was ever a time they were completely illegal
> here in the US.
> 
> --
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Jim]

mch wrote:
> Reepaters were first licensed in 1972 when the FCC issued the repeater
> rules. They were granted 'WR' callsigns in 1974 (which was discontinued
> around 1978).
> 
> They were never prohibited in Part 97 AFAIK based on my research of
> repeaters. They were required to have a control operator at a control
> point (or locally) until 1998-ish when the FCC authorized automatic
> control.
> 
> Joe M.

And don't forget that I think in the same 1978 ruling they cut back on 
logging requirements. Used to be that ALL transmissions  through the 
repeater had to be logged. =:cO

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[mch]

Yep. I didn't see what that rule change happened, but I know it did.

I also know that there was an FCC-issued moratorium on new repeaters in
1985, but I never found and don't recall how long that lasted. I think
it was about a year. I recall they used the ARRL RD as the guide of what
repeaters were in existence.

Joe M.

Jim wrote:
> 
> mch wrote:
> > Reepaters were first licensed in 1972 when the FCC issued the repeater
> > rules. They were granted 'WR' callsigns in 1974 (which was discontinued
> > around 1978).
> >
> > They were never prohibited in Part 97 AFAIK based on my research of
> > repeaters. They were required to have a control operator at a control
> > point (or locally) until 1998-ish when the FCC authorized automatic
> > control.
> >
> > Joe M.
> 
> And don't forget that I think in the same 1978 ruling they cut back on
> logging requirements. Used to be that ALL transmissions  through the
> repeater had to be logged. =:cO
> 
> --
> Jim Barbour
> WD8CHL
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater?

[Bob Dengler]

At 6/27/2007 12:53 PM, you wrote:
>Yep. I didn't see what that rule change happened, but I know it did.
>
>I also know that there was an FCC-issued moratorium on new repeaters in
>1985, but I never found and don't recall how long that lasted. I think

I never heard of any such "moraturium", & around that time I was placing 
several new systems on the air.

Bob NO6B

[Repeater-Builder] First repeater and need some info

[Dan Tucker, W7DUX]

I have just received a Motorola Micor Compastation repeater that had 
been used for a repeater on 147.220.  This repeater was hit by 
lightning and apparently did not work.  It is now my project.

As I was looking through it tonight for the first time, I found that 
it powers up but did not receive.  When I took the receive board out 
I found it did not have a xtal.

I then took the receive board out of a micor base station (not a 
repeater) and used its receive xtal (153.830) which is my fire 
departments tac channel and tested to see if it received.  Magic...it 
received on the 153.830 and transmited on the 147.220 
frequency...problem is,,,no audio, only a carrier!  There is a local 
speaker on it wired in after the fact and I can hear myself on it, 
but no audio is being transmitted.

Anybody have an idea of where I go next?

I am an absolute first time builder and no nothing!

Oh, since the addition of the other receive board, I think I will 
probably need to have this changed so it will do 2m instead of the 
150 range?  Is this correct?

Well I am looking forward to the learning experience but I can see a 
lot of time involved ahead...your help will be much appreciated!

Thanks

W7DUX
Dan

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater and need some info

[Glenn Little WB4UIV]

The very first thing that you need is a Radio Amateur Handbook. Read it and 
get help understanding how transmitters and receivers work.

The next thing that you will need is a service manual on the radio that you 
are working on.

You will need test equipment, Oscilloscope, Signal Generator and Multimeter 
as a minimum,  so that you can inject signals to see where your problem is.

You have a lot of work ahead of you.

73
Glenn
WB4UIV



At 03:21 AM 11/25/06, you wrote:
>I have just received a Motorola Micor Compastation repeater that had
>been used for a repeater on 147.220.  This repeater was hit by
>lightning and apparently did not work.  It is now my project.
>
>As I was looking through it tonight for the first time, I found that
>it powers up but did not receive.  When I took the receive board out
>I found it did not have a xtal.
>
>I then took the receive board out of a micor base station (not a
>repeater) and used its receive xtal (153.830) which is my fire
>departments tac channel and tested to see if it received.  Magic...it
>received on the 153.830 and transmited on the 147.220
>frequency...problem is,,,no audio, only a carrier!  There is a local
>speaker on it wired in after the fact and I can hear myself on it,
>but no audio is being transmitted.
>
>Anybody have an idea of where I go next?
>
>I am an absolute first time builder and no nothing!
>
>Oh, since the addition of the other receive board, I think I will
>probably need to have this changed so it will do 2m instead of the
>150 range?  Is this correct?
>
>Well I am looking forward to the learning experience but I can see a
>lot of time involved ahead...your help will be much appreciated!
>
>Thanks
>
>W7DUX
>Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] First repeater and need some info

[N9LLO]

Sounds like you need to repair/replace the station control or the repeater 
control board. You might need to look at the line driver also. I dont have a 
manual in front of me so I am going from memory. You need the service manual 
and 
some test equipment.

Chris
N9LLO