Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 440 UHF

2009-05-05 Thread Bob M.

The condition is often referred to as tin whiskers. There's a lot of info 
about that on the web. NASA has done a lot of research about it. It's the 
growth of tiny filaments mainly on tin-plated RF assemblies.

In the MSF5000, this condition can be found inside the two VCOs, inside the 
mixer coil assembly, inside the RF front-end assembly, and inside the internal 
filter/duplexer assembly. It usually happens on only the real shiny parts. 
Motorola changed the alloy for their castings, possibly in the late 1980s, to 
have a dull finish which is not supposed to suffer from this problem.

The VCOs and mixer coil assembly can be opened. The front end and duplexer 
aren't supposed to be opened, but I don't know why. Maybe there are some 
gaskets that must be positioned just-so. Way too many screws.

The adjusting cores can be removed and you can stick a piece of wood or plastic 
through the hole, move it around, and see if that clears the whiskers out. It 
doesn't take much. They will look like very thin cobwebs or hair-like strands 
going between the inside of the assembly and anything else that just happens to 
be near it.

I've only encountered it in the VCOs and mixer coil assembly. Disassemble the 
unit, use a toothbrush or toothpick and move it all around the entire inside 
perimeter. Wipe all metallic surfaces. Go around any coils or other components, 
especially between them and the side surfaces of the assembly. Go into areas 
you may not even see. This is about all you can do.

The growth seems to take years to occur. The filaments are extremely thin and 
fragile and sometimes they'll break off or disintegrate if you just bang the 
assembly on the workbench or lift it up a few inches and drop it.

Bob M.
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--- On Mon, 5/4/09, Bob Luttrull kd7...@comcast.net wrote:

 From: Bob Luttrull kd7...@comcast.net
 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 440 UHF
 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:23 PM
 Hi all 
 I am having a problem with my repeater. It is a MSF5000 440
 UHF 110W. I was told that it might have crystal hairs in the
 TX duplexer. People are telling me that I need to
 disassemble the duplexer and clean it with a toothbrush to
 get the crystals out and use a nolock on the adjustment
 screws.  Is that right?  If not can someone fill
 me in on the correct way to do it and the right things to
 use?  I don't have a service manual for the unit but I
 don't think I will have a problem. 
 Thanks
 Bob
 kd7ikz


  


[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 440 UHF

2009-05-04 Thread Bob Luttrull
Hi all 
I am having a problem with my repeater. It is a MSF5000 440 UHF 110W. I was 
told that it might have crystal hairs in the TX duplexer. People are telling me 
that I need to disassemble the duplexer and clean it with a toothbrush to get 
the crystals out and use a nolock on the adjustment screws.  Is that right?  If 
not can someone fill me in on the correct way to do it and the right things to 
use?  I don't have a service manual for the unit but I don't think I will have 
a problem. 
Thanks
Bob
kd7ikz