RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
No the beam is for my ts2000 you see I am only going to be able to put up one tower on the acreage I have -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave VanHorn Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:40 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay sorry about the spelling errors but the coax I have came from a guy who > moved to Florida a year or so ago via another ham who's call is k4rjj the > numbers on the heliax are as follows he believed that the guy used this hard > line on a antenna system or repeater in Marietta, ga > > "84147 LDF5 50 ohm HELIAX COAXIL CABLE 52401 A04P" > > I have three sections of this cable. one looks like it has a ground kit on > it all sections appear to have connectors at both ends that have rubber > protectors on it protect if from weather. > > Now I need to test this before I install it > The tools I have on hand are > Mfj 269 > Diamond watt meter swr bridge > 50 ohm dummy load and various radios > Can I do a decent test with the above? If so how? Well, what you can do with what you have: Check the electrical length with the MFJ (it's in the manual) Connect your transmitter to one end, dummy load to the other, and using the watt meter, check for any noticable loss, looking at the difference between power into the cable, and power out at the other end. You didn't say the length, but with LDF-5, you can look up the specs for loss vs length and see if what you get is about right. > Eventually I want to put a beam on the mast and > a rotor. I figure I am going to have to use a jumper from the hard line to > the antenna to get around the rotor I figure this will be about 10' long. > What type of coax to use for this jumper? Is there a better way? A short length of flexible coax, with stranded copper center conductor. The plated aluminum center conductors won't hold up to the flexing. But... A beam on a repeater? Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Okay sorry about the spelling errors but the coax I have came from a guy who > moved to Florida a year or so ago via another ham who's call is k4rjj the > numbers on the heliax are as follows he believed that the guy used this hard > line on a antenna system or repeater in Marietta, ga > > "84147 LDF5 50 ohm HELIAX COAXIL CABLE 52401 A04P" > > I have three sections of this cable. one looks like it has a ground kit on > it all sections appear to have connectors at both ends that have rubber > protectors on it protect if from weather. > > Now I need to test this before I install it > The tools I have on hand are > Mfj 269 > Diamond watt meter swr bridge > 50 ohm dummy load and various radios > Can I do a decent test with the above? If so how? Well, what you can do with what you have: Check the electrical length with the MFJ (it's in the manual) Connect your transmitter to one end, dummy load to the other, and using the watt meter, check for any noticable loss, looking at the difference between power into the cable, and power out at the other end. You didn't say the length, but with LDF-5, you can look up the specs for loss vs length and see if what you get is about right. > Eventually I want to put a beam on the mast and > a rotor. I figure I am going to have to use a jumper from the hard line to > the antenna to get around the rotor I figure this will be about 10' long. > What type of coax to use for this jumper? Is there a better way? A short length of flexible coax, with stranded copper center conductor. The plated aluminum center conductors won't hold up to the flexing. But... A beam on a repeater? Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
But don't call it a ?issue ... ??? Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:54:33 +0800 >So what is the ?issue. >Sorry I could not resist. >Cheers fro OZ > >- Original Message - >From: "Buley, Kenneth L (GE Indust, ConsInd)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:53 AM >Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard >line > > >> Don't call it a Kleenex unless it IS a Kleenex, otherwise, it's >just a >> tissue !!! >> >> (sittin' back with tongue in cheek and BIG grin on face !!) >> >> Ken KY4DES >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold >Farrenkopf >> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:48 PM >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard >line >> >> >> Please pass me a Kleenex! >> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Buley, Kenneth L \(GE >> Indust, ConsInd\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> And I guess you ALWAYS use generic "CTCSS" instead of "PL" >> (Motorola) or "CG" (GE) ? >>> >>> GEE WHIZ >>> >>> Ken KY4DES >>> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
So what is the ?issue. Sorry I could not resist. Cheers fro OZ - Original Message - From: "Buley, Kenneth L (GE Indust, ConsInd)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 12:53 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line > Don't call it a Kleenex unless it IS a Kleenex, otherwise, it's just a > tissue !!! > > (sittin' back with tongue in cheek and BIG grin on face !!) > > Ken KY4DES > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Farrenkopf > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:48 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line > > > Please pass me a Kleenex! > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Buley, Kenneth L \(GE > Indust, ConsInd\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> And I guess you ALWAYS use generic "CTCSS" instead of "PL" > (Motorola) or "CG" (GE) ? >> >> GEE WHIZ >> >> Ken KY4DES >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 AM >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] A couple of questions about hard line >> >> >> >> The proper name Heliax is owned by Andrew Corp. >> >> If you don't know what type hard line you have is, don't name >> it Heliax. >> >> Neil - WA6KLA >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
I hope that Kleenix is made by Kimberly-Clark (or else it's just a 2-ply tissue) At 04:48 PM 4/24/2006 +, you wrote: >Please pass me a Kleenex! Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And all I wanted to know was about my hard line it is amazing how this all > got started I am going to go down and look at the hard line and see if I can > get any info off it will a mfj-269 analyze the hard line? It will tell you velocity factor, but I don't think you can get loss information (damage/water). A TDR would be more interesting, but hard to get your hands on. There's a lot to learn about repeaters. At one level, it's "two radios, one antenna, and a special filter", and then you start peeling the onion. :) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
Sure thing Larry, this is great! Don't you think so? Neil Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:58:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) >Ok, are we having fun now? This should be thoroughly beat into the >ground now.. > > > >-Original Message- >>From: Dave VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Sent: Apr 24, 2006 2:52 PM >>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard >line >> >>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> >>> >>> Of course !! >>> >>> CG = Channel Guard - General Electric >>> PL = Private Line - Motorola >>> QC = Quiet Channel - RCA >>> >>> All are commonly referred to by CTCSS >> >>If this gets too big, it's going to start looking like SPAM(tm) >>:) >> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
And all I wanted to know was about my hard line it is amazing how this all got started I am going to go down and look at the hard line and see if I can get any info off it will a mfj-269 analyze the hard line? -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 5:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line Ok, are we having fun now? This should be thoroughly beat into the ground now.. -Original Message- >From: Dave VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Apr 24, 2006 2:52 PM >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line > >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> Of course !! >> >> CG = Channel Guard - General Electric >> PL = Private Line - Motorola >> QC = Quiet Channel - RCA >> >> All are commonly referred to by CTCSS > >If this gets too big, it's going to start looking like SPAM(tm) >:) > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
Ok, are we having fun now? This should be thoroughly beat into the ground now.. -Original Message- >From: Dave VanHorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Apr 24, 2006 2:52 PM >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line > >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >> Of course !! >> >> CG = Channel Guard - General Electric >> PL = Private Line - Motorola >> QC = Quiet Channel - RCA >> >> All are commonly referred to by CTCSS > >If this gets too big, it's going to start looking like SPAM(tm) >:) > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Of course !! > > CG = Channel Guard - General Electric > PL = Private Line - Motorola > QC = Quiet Channel - RCA > > All are commonly referred to by CTCSS If this gets too big, it's going to start looking like SPAM(tm) :) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
Instead of a roll of non-skid? Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:48:04 - >Please pass me a Kleenex! >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Buley, Kenneth L \(GE >Indust, ConsInd\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> And I guess you ALWAYS use generic "CTCSS" instead of "PL" >(Motorola) or "CG" (GE) ? >> >> GEE WHIZ >> >> Ken KY4DES >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 AM >> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] A couple of questions about hard >line >> >> >> >> The proper name Heliax is owned by Andrew Corp. >> >> If you don't know what type hard line you have is, don't name >> it Heliax. >> >> Neil - WA6KLA >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
Don't call it a Kleenex unless it IS a Kleenex, otherwise, it's just a tissue !!! (sittin' back with tongue in cheek and BIG grin on face !!) Ken KY4DES -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Harold Farrenkopf Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line Please pass me a Kleenex! --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Buley, Kenneth L \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I guess you ALWAYS use generic "CTCSS" instead of "PL" (Motorola) or "CG" (GE) ? > > GEE WHIZ > > Ken KY4DES > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] A couple of questions about hard line > > > > The proper name Heliax is owned by Andrew Corp. > > If you don't know what type hard line you have is, don't name > it Heliax. > > Neil - WA6KLA > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
Please pass me a Kleenex! --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Buley, Kenneth L \(GE Indust, ConsInd\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I guess you ALWAYS use generic "CTCSS" instead of "PL" (Motorola) or "CG" (GE) ? > > GEE WHIZ > > Ken KY4DES > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 11:32 AM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] A couple of questions about hard line > > > > The proper name Heliax is owned by Andrew Corp. > > If you don't know what type hard line you have is, don't name > it Heliax. > > Neil - WA6KLA > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: A couple of questions about hard line
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have some hard line I that a friend gave me and was wondering how to > determine if it is any good? and how to determine what connectors to get for > it? What to look for to determine this? Well a big first step would be to figure out what sort of line it is. There should be a number printed on or embossed into the jacket every so often. Visual inspection for any damage to the copper jacket, kinks, water intrusion.. Hardline does not like to be bent, you need to observe a proper minimum bend radius that is specified for the type of cable. Connectors: Well, be prepared to be amazed at pricing. Ebay is a good source, but of course you need to know what sort of cable you have first. Many connectors can be re-used, but you need to carefully follow the directions to apply the connectors. It's easy to make an expensive mess by being sloppy or taking short cuts. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
