Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna cleaning solvent ???

2007-02-18 Thread no6b
At 2/16/2007 05:35, you wrote:
 Wouldn't the pitting give the antenna more surface area, broader
bandwidth,
and more gain? DE NU5D

The pitting actually seriously impacts antenna performance as it causes
ERP to drop off. What happens is instead of efficient conversion from
conducted to radiated energy, you get significant losses from heat.This

IIRC Aluminum Oxide is a low-loss dielectric.  Unless it forms with 
significant impurities on the antenna, I don't see where the loss would 
come from.

is why almost every 'extreme-duty' antenna manufacturer are now offering
hard anodizing options for their mountaintop antenna products. The only
way you can test for this is to do repeated far-field strength
measurements over time. The antenna itself will test fine; return loss,
VSWR, all look great, but it just doesn't talk as far.

...or pump a LOT of power into it  use a non-contact IR thermometer to 
look for surface heating.

Bob NO6B




[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna cleaning solvent ???

2007-02-17 Thread wa5luy
QST usually has some ads for antenna wax in their April 1st magazine. 
Try that.
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-- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Captainlance 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Auto part stores carry Aluminum wheel cleaner, it is a strong 
chemical that strips off oxidation and leaves a clean , raw, surface. 
The only problem is that raw aluminum starts to oxidize immediately. 
You will need to covert the antenna with a coating of clear urethane 
to stop this from happening . This can be done with spray or brush.
 Lance N2HBA
   - Original Message - 
   From: John 
   To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2007 10:16 PM
   Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna cleaning solvent ???
 
 
   What is a good cleaning solvent for aluminum repeater antennas? I 
have
   an antenna that was exposed to the weather for years and it has 
become
   pitted and dirty from the enviroment.
   Thanks,
   John





[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna cleaning solvent ???

2007-02-17 Thread Cam Bremner
 Wouldn't the pitting give the antenna more surface area, broader
bandwidth,
and more gain? DE NU5D

The pitting actually seriously impacts antenna performance as it causes
ERP to drop off. What happens is instead of efficient conversion from
conducted to radiated energy, you get significant losses from heat.This
is why almost every 'extreme-duty' antenna manufacturer are now offering
hard anodizing options for their mountaintop antenna products. The only
way you can test for this is to do repeated far-field strength
measurements over time. The antenna itself will test fine; return loss,
VSWR, all look great, but it just doesn't talk as far.

Mechanical abrasion of the surface is the only way you can get rid of
pits. I guess it becomes a question of how much time you're willing to
spend polishing up that antenna.

Best,

-Cam, VE7MMV.


[Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna cleaning solvent ???

2007-02-17 Thread Laryn Lohman
 The antenna itself will test fine; return loss,
 VSWR, all look great, but it just doesn't talk as far.
 
 Mechanical abrasion of the surface is the only way you can get rid of
 pits. I guess it becomes a question of how much time you're willing to
 spend polishing up that antenna.
 
 Best,
 
 -Cam, VE7MMV.



I wonder if polishing would increase the bandwidth too.  All those old
DB224s out there could be brought down to the low end of 2M...

Laryn K8TVZ