[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have a spare UHF repeater and duplexer for the project and he has a 65 > foot tower on the property, so putting a repeater on the air would not be > difficult. His wife could then use an HT around the house to keep in > contact with him. > > I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that it is for > family, but the repeater would be for many other people. What are the > legalities? > > Joe > Joe, You can place the repeater with your GMRS license on any of the 8 pairs. 95.133 allows for sharing of repeater systems between licensees, as long as records are kept of such. As long as the licensees and their family members use it as a cooperative and there are no charges to use it, there is no problem with it. Everyone can pitch in to buy parts, i.e. donations, and that is fine also. We have hundreds of families sharing each others repeaters as they travel from area to area. Your license only covers your family, of course, and likewise anyone else would have to have one covering theirs. You can indeed communicate amongst other licensees also. The repeater can be used by as many licensees as you allow. No problems with that. Enjoy the GMRS. We do. Chris Coordinator Lakes Area GMRS Repeater Group www.laggroup.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
In a message dated 11/29/05 9:35:16 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is that any radio? Is there any specification as to the frequency tolerance of the transmitter mentioned? Guess I had better look it all up. I don't know why I am interested, guess it's because I have so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand. I have 5 brand new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am going to do with them. It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but not at the price of a new repeater. Paul Paul, If you are going to put a repeater I suggest you throughly read the rules. My statement was general in nature but is backed up by the actual FCC rule regarding type CERTIFIED for use in part 95. There is no longer a published list of radios acceptable for use, there are radios manufactured today that are not specifially type ACCEPTED for part 95 use that are legal to use because they are type CERTIFIED. Here is the rule text... Sec. 95.129 Station equipment. Every station in a GMRS system must use transmitters the FCC has certificated for use in the GMRS. Write to any FCC Field Office to find out if a particular transmitter has been certificated for the GMRS. All station equipment in a GMRS system must comply with the technical rules in part 95.[63 FR 68975, Dec. 14, 1998] As it says you must write the FCC to find out if you equipment is certified. The reply you recieve from the FCC will lead you to the same conclusion I presented in my statement about part 90 radios GENERALLY being ok ,just watch the power level and freq stability for repeaters. There are other rules to consider but you can read these for yourself. Chris YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Paul; The Manufacturer specs for the radio will indicate what services it is type accepted for. I would start with them as they are still in business, even though it is an older model. There was a list (I think it may have been a hyper link) published at one time on the Mastr II group which was detailing which stations and mobiles were currently type accepted for GMRS ( Part 95 ). Interestingly the FCC did not have the Mastr II listed although the documents were discovered from GE folks to indicate it had been, still is. The problem is the old type acceptance lists ( 70's and 80's) were never brought forward into the new FCC database which is now computerized ( the old list was a manual system) and many previously type accepted part 95 radios were inadvertently "dropped". It is incumbent on the user to be able to prove a radio is currently, or prove it was, and was dropped "accidently" in the event an issue arises. Part 95 is enforced and fines will be levied if needed. One who uses portables for local ops may not be on radar, but pop a repeater up ( especially if the freq already has a repeater in your area and is in use ) and you best make sure your skivvies are clean... No official ( as far as we could find ) ruling has been rendered regarding the old listings being valid or more specifically INVALID if they are not in the new database at the FCC, but historically speaking there is no reason a radio would ever be de-listed except if it no longer met some technical criterion, and for the most part that has not changed in many years...( in the GMRS rules) Radios like the Standard GMR1 and GMR2 base and portable were type accepted but by todays standards, junk.none the less would still be legal to use.. Capability of meeting the rules does NOT constitute acceptable for operation however, it MUST be officially type accepted by the manufacturer or someone representing them for this purpose... Technically if a radio does meet criterion, one could get it type accepted, if one wanted to pay for it and "re-badge" the radio under your name, but that is probably not economical for an individual. Doug KD8B At 09:26 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: >Chris, > >Is that any radio? Is there any specification as to the frequency >tolerance of the transmitter mentioned? Guess I had better look it >all up. I don't know why I am interested, guess it's because I have >so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand. I have 5 brand >new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am >going to do with them. It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but >not at the price of a new repeater. > >Paul > >-Original Message- >From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:10 AM >To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA > >In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >Question: > > Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? > > Neil - WA6KLA > >Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits >50w or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell >you to WRITE (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is >accepted for part 95. The above is pretty much the answer you will get. > >Chris >N9LLO > > > > > > > > >-- >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > Visit your group > "<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder>Repeater-Builder" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service. > >-- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Chris, Is that any radio? Is there any specification as to the frequency tolerance of the transmitter mentioned? Guess I had better look it all up. I don't know why I am interested, guess it's because I have so many of these PPL 6060 radios on hand. I have 5 brand new-in-the-box 6060's and have been wondering what the heck I am going to do with them. It may be fun to put up a GMRS repeater but not at the price of a new repeater. Paul -Original Message-From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:10 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question: Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? Neil - WA6KLA Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits 50w or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell you to WRITE (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is accepted for part 95. The above is pretty much the answer you will get. Chris N9LLO YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Johnny, OK, that's better. Did not think of that one. You are correct, wish they could have that tolerance though. Like you said they are a dern good radio. Is the tolerance the only reason a modified 6060 would not be type accepted for repeater service? They would be great little and very cost effective GMRS repeaters if they could be used. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 10:21 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA Paul, The PPL6060 is a dern good little radio. HOWEVER, They are not type accepted for repeater service because they do not meet the frequency tolerance spec's for repeater service. 95.621 (b) Each GMRS transmitter for mobile station, small base station and control station operation must be maintained within a frequency tolerance of 0.0005%. Each GMRS transmitter for base station (except small base), mobile relay station or fixed station operation must be maintained within a frequency tolerance of 0.00025%. Here is the link for the full set of rules. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cfr95_04.html Johnny Paul Finch wrote: > Johnny, > > What constitutes the loss of the FCC type acceptance? Does anyone have the > rules section pertaining to this question? Like I said, the worst thing you > do to some of these radios is removal of the antenna switch which has caused > some interference problems with near field transmitters. > > Paul > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:44 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA > > > No, it does not. > Johnny > > > Neil McKie wrote: > >> Question: >> >> Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? >> >> Neil - WA6KLA >> >>Mike Morris wrote: >> >> >>>At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a >>>>GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of >>>>woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His >>>>wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got >>>>them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the >>>>job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was >>>>thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set >>>>up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how >>>>feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? >>>> >>>>Joe >>> >>>Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular >>>outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the >>>crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a >>>Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was >>>a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building >>>and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short >>>stationmaster. >>> >>>Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. >>> >>>There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. >>> >>>Mike WA6ILQ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
His license covers his family and allows them to operate GMRS equipment. The repeater can be used by other GMRS Licensees if the repeater owner chooses to allow them. Sec. 95.33 Cooperative use of radio stations in the GMRS. (a) Licensees (a licensee is the entity to which the license is issued) of radio stations in the GMRS may share the use of their stations with other entities eligible in the GMRS, subject to the following conditions and limitations. (1) The station to be shared must be individually owned by the licensee, jointly owned by the participants and the licensee, leased individually by the licensee, or leased jointly by the participants and the licensee. (2) The licensee must maintain access to and control over all stations authorized under its license. (3) A station may be shared only: (i) Without charge; (ii) On a non-profit basis, with contributions to capital and operating expenses including the cost of mobile stations and paging receivers prorated equitably among all participants; or (iii) On a reciprocal basis, i.e., use of one licensee's stations for the use of another licensee's stations without charge for either capital or operating expenses. (4) All sharing arrangements must be conducted in accordance with a written agreement to be kept as part of the station records. (b) [Reserved] Head over to the GMRS forum at Popular wireless (link below), there are many good knowledgable GMRS licensees over there who can answer all your questions. http://www.popularwireless.com./cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi DougD Cumberland GMRS Repeater Group www.cgrg.webhop.net --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Johnny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Joe, > The Lakes Area GMRS Repeater Group has a lot of good GMRS information on > their website. Go to: http://eebie38.tripod.com/gmrs/ > Hope this helps. > Johnny > > Joe wrote: > > > I have a spare UHF repeater and duplexer for the project and he has a 65 > > foot tower on the property, so putting a repeater on the air would not be > > difficult. His wife could then use an HT around the house to keep in > > contact with him. > > > > I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that it is for > > family, but the repeater would be for many other people. What are the > > legalities? > > > > Joe > > > > At 05:26 PM 11/28/2005 +, you wrote: > > > >>Hi Joe > >> > >>I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area. If all he wants to do is > >>to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high > >>antenna and quality hand held suit the need? Course a repeater > >>would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has the > >>space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna site...assuming > >>the town isn't 100 miles away. > >> > >>Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what > >>type of system would work best. > >> > >>just my .02 > >>Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 > >> > >> > >>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>> Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS > >> > >>repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that > >>he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is > >>concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of > >>Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a > >>little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of > >>recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS > >>repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would > >>be. Any suggestions from the group? > >> > >>>Joe > >>> > >>> "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > John, > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. > >> > >>No > >> > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > webpage. > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
In a message dated 11/28/05 6:51:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Question: Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? Neil - WA6KLA Generally speaking any radio used in part 90 service that transmits 50w or less rf power is acceptable in the GMRS. The GMRS rules tell you to WRITE (not call) the FCCto see if a paticular radio is accepted for part 95. The above is pretty much the answer you will get. Chris N9LLO YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Joe, The Lakes Area GMRS Repeater Group has a lot of good GMRS information on their website. Go to: http://eebie38.tripod.com/gmrs/ Hope this helps. Johnny Joe wrote: > I have a spare UHF repeater and duplexer for the project and he has a 65 > foot tower on the property, so putting a repeater on the air would not be > difficult. His wife could then use an HT around the house to keep in > contact with him. > > I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that it is for > family, but the repeater would be for many other people. What are the > legalities? > > Joe > > At 05:26 PM 11/28/2005 +, you wrote: > >>Hi Joe >> >>I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area. If all he wants to do is >>to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high >>antenna and quality hand held suit the need? Course a repeater >>would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has the >>space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna site...assuming >>the town isn't 100 miles away. >> >>Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what >>type of system would work best. >> >>just my .02 >>Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 >> >> >>--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS >> >>repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that >>he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is >>concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of >>Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a >>little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of >>recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS >>repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would >>be. Any suggestions from the group? >> >>>Joe >>> >>> "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> John, GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. >> >>No >> Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS webpage. >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Paul, The PPL6060 is a dern good little radio. HOWEVER, They are not type accepted for repeater service because they do not meet the frequency tolerance spec's for repeater service. 95.621 (b) Each GMRS transmitter for mobile station, small base station and control station operation must be maintained within a frequency tolerance of 0.0005%. Each GMRS transmitter for base station (except small base), mobile relay station or fixed station operation must be maintained within a frequency tolerance of 0.00025%. Here is the link for the full set of rules. http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_04/47cfr95_04.html Johnny Paul Finch wrote: > Johnny, > > What constitutes the loss of the FCC type acceptance? Does anyone have the > rules section pertaining to this question? Like I said, the worst thing you > do to some of these radios is removal of the antenna switch which has caused > some interference problems with near field transmitters. > > Paul > > > -Original Message- > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:44 PM > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA > > > No, it does not. > Johnny > > > Neil McKie wrote: > >> Question: >> >> Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? >> >> Neil - WA6KLA >> >>Mike Morris wrote: >> >> >>>At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a >>>>GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of >>>>woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His >>>>wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got >>>>them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the >>>>job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was >>>>thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set >>>>up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how >>>>feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? >>>> >>>>Joe >>> >>>Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular >>>outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the >>>crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a >>>Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was >>>a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building >>>and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short >>>stationmaster. >>> >>>Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. >>> >>>There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. >>> >>>Mike WA6ILQ >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
What the mfgrs do is that they have to say for example ABC Brand Radio Model number 123456789 they submit so many of that model number, the units undergo the process with all the equiptment to see if they meet a certain criteria something like this... Frequency Stability in ppm Mike Audio weather AM FM or SSB the spectrum analizer will show type certified signals filtered to a certain db level Harmonics any unusual frequencies are they supressed? If say an RF Amplifier is it made to show Zero Db Gain on 26-27 Mhz. ( CB ) and cannot key the amp? before the stamped OK is put on the documents the FCC wants to make sure it will perform as stated besides would you want to hear endless YACK YACK from a Dirty CB radio over your TV ? I have a Q. for those I come into contact ... Say what if they decided to do away with all the filtering, can you imagine going down the road listening to some pager making all that DATA racket? makes these illegal operators think. Now you get an idea why the FCC has these rules for Type Certified. Paul Finch wrote: Johnny, What constitutes the loss of the FCC type acceptance? Does anyone have the rules section pertaining to this question? Like I said, the worst thing you do to some of these radios is removal of the antenna switch which has caused some interference problems with near field transmitters. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Johnny Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA No, it does not. Johnny Neil McKie wrote: Question: Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? Neil - WA6KLA Mike Morris wrote: At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? Joe Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short stationmaster. Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. begin:vcard fn:Mark A. Holman n:Holman;Mark A. org:Harvest Assembly of God email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Webmaster, IT Student x-mozilla-html:TRUE url:http://www.ab8ru.org version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
On Nov 28, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Joe wrote > > I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that it > is for > family, but the repeater would be for many other people. What are the > legalities? Joe - There's a good paper on repeater usage at www.provide.net/ ~prsg/rpt-ctr.htm. It's last revised on 1/8/98 but there are still some things to think about. Paul Yonge Syracuse NY Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Johnny, What constitutes the loss of the FCC type acceptance? Does anyone have the rules section pertaining to this question? Like I said, the worst thing you do to some of these radios is removal of the antenna switch which has caused some interference problems with near field transmitters. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johnny Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 6:44 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA No, it does not. Johnny Neil McKie wrote: > Question: > > Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? > > Neil - WA6KLA > > Mike Morris wrote: > >>At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: >> >> >>> Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a >>>GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of >>>woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His >>>wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got >>>them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the >>>job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was >>>thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set >>>up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how >>>feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? >>> >>>Joe >> >>Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular >>outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the >>crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a >>Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was >>a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building >>and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short >>stationmaster. >> >>Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. >> >>There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. >> >>Mike WA6ILQ >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
I have a spare UHF repeater and duplexer for the project and he has a 65 foot tower on the property, so putting a repeater on the air would not be difficult. His wife could then use an HT around the house to keep in contact with him. I guess my confusion is that the license requirements state that it is for family, but the repeater would be for many other people. What are the legalities? Joe At 05:26 PM 11/28/2005 +, you wrote: >Hi Joe > >I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area. If all he wants to do is >to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high >antenna and quality hand held suit the need? Course a repeater >would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has the >space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna site...assuming >the town isn't 100 miles away. > >Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what >type of system would work best. > >just my .02 >Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 > > >--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS >repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that >he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is >concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of >Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a >little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of >recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS >repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would >be. Any suggestions from the group? > > > > Joe > > > > "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > John, > > > > > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > > > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. >No > > > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > > > webpage. > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
No, it does not. Johnny Neil McKie wrote: > Question: > > Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? > > Neil - WA6KLA > > Mike Morris wrote: > >>At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: >> >> >>> Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a >>>GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of >>>woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His >>>wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got >>>them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the >>>job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was >>>thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set >>>up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how >>>feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? >>> >>>Joe >> >>Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular >>outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the >>crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a >>Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was >>a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building >>and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short >>stationmaster. >> >>Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. >> >>There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. >> >>Mike WA6ILQ >> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Question: Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? Neil - WA6KLA Mike Morris wrote: > > At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: > > > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a > > GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of > > woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His > > wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got > > them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the > > job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was > > thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set > > up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how > > feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? > > > >Joe > > Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular > outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the > crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a > Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was > a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building > and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short > stationmaster. > > Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. > > There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. > > Mike WA6ILQ > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Neil, Good question, you are not really modifying the transmitter or receiver at all, just removing the diode antenna switch, making the receiver hot all the time and separating the RX and TX with coaxes. I have a couple of these little repeaters on Ham frequencies, they work great. I used one a couple years ago at the Dayton Hamvention on 444.850, un-coordinated of course. That one is the 5 watt version, it would not quite make it throughout the building so I am thinking about modifying one of the 25 watt radios to get a little more penetration. Nice talking to you the other night. Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neil McKie Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 5:49 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA Question: Does the Johnson 6060 meet FCC Type Acceptance for GMRS? Neil - WA6KLA Mike Morris wrote: > > At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: > > > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a > > GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of > > woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His > > wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got > > them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the > > job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was > > thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set > > up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how > > feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? > > > >Joe > > Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular > outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the > crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a > Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was > a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building > and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short > stationmaster. > > Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. > > There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. > > Mike WA6ILQ > Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
At 06:57 AM 11/28/05, you wrote: > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS > repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that he > likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is concerned about > him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of Midland GMRS > radios. They don't quite do the job because of a little terrain blockage > due to a hill. I was thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I > have and set up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how > feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? > >Joe Reminds me of a small repeater I saw a dozen years ago. A regular outhouse building, but with no throne, off in the woods, but on the crest of a small hill. Inside was a pair of car batteries, a Johnson UHF PPL 6060 radio and a mobile duplexer. On the roof was a 2 foot by 4 foot solar panel facing south. Next to the building and strapped to it was a 30 foot pushup mast holding a short stationmaster. Taped to the Johnson was a xerox of a GMRS license. There is a GMRS conversion of a 6060 at repeater-builder. Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
I second the request for GMRS repeater info : ) I've seen the "delay" repeaters... not interested. It's just a retrans voice recording. How complicated would it be to make a low cost yet efficient GMRS repeater? I'm guessing there is ALOT more to it than I am seeing since there is hardly anything like that on the market. William Vines - Original Message - From: Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Monday, November 28, 2005 9:57 am Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS > repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that > he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is > concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of > Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a > little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of > recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS > repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would > be. Any suggestions from the group? > > Joe > > "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. No > > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > > webpage. > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Hi Joe I have 4 GMRS repeaters set up in my area. If all he wants to do is to talk over his 50 acres, wouldn't a base with a decently high antenna and quality hand held suit the need? Course a repeater would be nice for them for trips to town or whatever if he has the space for equipment and a place for a decent antenna site...assuming the town isn't 100 miles away. Biggest thing is for them go get licensed and then see about what type of system would work best. just my .02 Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? > > Joe > > "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. No > > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > > webpage. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
Interesting. I have a friend who was just asking me about a GMRS repeater for he and his wife. He has aprox. 50 acres of woods that he likes to walk around in and is in his 70's. His wife is concerned about him needing to contact her, so I got them a pair of Midland GMRS radios. They don't quite do the job because of a little terrain blockage due to a hill. I was thinking of recrystalling a Repco repeater that I have and set up a GMRS repeater, but don't know the details about how feasible this would be. Any suggestions from the group? Joe "Doug D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for > individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. No > Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS > webpage. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS in USA
John, GMRS License (new) $80 for 5 years. License available for individuals (does cover just about entire family though) only. No Groups or Businesses. Here is a description from the FCC GMRS webpage. "The General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS) is a land-mobile radio service available for short-distance two-way communications to facilitate the activities of an adult individual and his or her immediate family members, including a spouse, children, parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, and in-laws (47 CFR 95.179). Normally, as a GMRS system licensee, you and your family members would communicate among yourselves over the general area of your residence or during recreational group outings, such as camping or hiking. The FCC grants five-year renewable licenses for GMRS Systems. The individual licensee is responsible for the proper operations of the licensed GMRS system at all times." More info can be found at the FCC's GMRS page below. http://wireless.fcc.gov/services/personal/generalmobile/ DougD Cumberland GMRS Repeater Group www.cgrg.webhop.net --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, JOHN MACKEY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What does it take to get a GMRS license in the US now? > > I did GMRS stuff in the mid 1980s, but have no idea what the current > requirements are today. I have a Explorer post asking me to help. > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
