[Repeater-Builder] Reverse Burst Comments (Com Spec RB-1)

2007-01-19 Thread skipp025
Re: Reverse Burst Comments (Com Spec RB-1) 

If you add a circuit like the Com Spec RB-1 board to the typical 
repeater system using a ts-32/ts-54 board... the tx ctcss is not 
disabled or removed before the RB-1 delayed ptt line drops. 

So you have the phase inverted ctcss present for at most up to 
200 ms typical before the tx drop.  If you don't remove the ctcss 
source the inverted ctcss remains up until the tx off/drop... 

Any of you actually running the RB-1 board with a true reverse 
burst type ctcss decoder (built into your radio)? Is a true 
reverse burst decoder in your commercial radio completely fooled 
by the phase inverted ctcss before carrier drop function. 

Or do you actually still hear some minor difference from the 
rb-1 type operation vs an original true Motorhead (Motorola) 
encoder - decoder operation? 

Thinking out-loud about having to possibly mute the ctcss at some 
time after invert and before the delayed ptt drop as a requirement 
to get the full/true reverse burst quiet squelch close. 

Any of you been down that road already? 

skipp 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Reverse Burst Comments (Com Spec RB-1)

2007-01-19 Thread Jim B.
I haven't used one of those, but I'd ask, what is it doing differently?
If you invert the phase of the tone 180 degrees (or 120 for some older 
motorolas), it should mute correctly. The only issues I've ever run into 
is either the transmit delay is too short (ie, TK-x05D series), and the 
rx squelch doesn't have time to close all the way, or it's too long and 
the rx squelch closes, then opens back up again before the tx goes off 
the air. Or the decoder just plain old doesn't recognize it (most ham 
rigs). The worst is the VX-1R that, once it decodes the right CTCSS 
tone, it stays open until the signal goes away. If you drop tone, it'll 
stay open indefinitely, until you drop carrier.

-- 
Jim Barbour
WD8CHL


skipp025 wrote:
 Re: Reverse Burst Comments (Com Spec RB-1) 
 
 If you add a circuit like the Com Spec RB-1 board to the typical 
 repeater system using a ts-32/ts-54 board... the tx ctcss is not 
 disabled or removed before the RB-1 delayed ptt line drops. 
 
 So you have the phase inverted ctcss present for at most up to 
 200 ms typical before the tx drop.  If you don't remove the ctcss 
 source the inverted ctcss remains up until the tx off/drop... 
 
 Any of you actually running the RB-1 board with a true reverse 
 burst type ctcss decoder (built into your radio)? Is a true 
 reverse burst decoder in your commercial radio completely fooled 
 by the phase inverted ctcss before carrier drop function. 
 
 Or do you actually still hear some minor difference from the 
 rb-1 type operation vs an original true Motorhead (Motorola) 
 encoder - decoder operation? 
 
 Thinking out-loud about having to possibly mute the ctcss at some 
 time after invert and before the delayed ptt drop as a requirement 
 to get the full/true reverse burst quiet squelch close. 
 
 Any of you been down that road already? 
 
 skipp