[Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started making 
a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the time. It seems 
random. I have not been able to make any connections yet with regular 
occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the repeater and the 
unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of seconds to neary a 
minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't remember the duplexer 
type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during the day, it seems more 
prevelant in the evening and mornings. 
Any ideas?
N5NPO
Norman Knapp


Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Could be someone playing "games" with the users.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
No, I don't think it is malicious or deliberate. It is almost as if the 
repeater is getting into itself. It is not a ham repeater, it is a local 
Sheriffs dept. 

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 16:03:48 2009
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Could be someone playing "games" with the users.

Chuck
WB2EDV

- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. 






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
A few years back the exact same thing was happening here on a VHF simplex 
Sheriff system. Solution? Take the toy train whistle away from the deputy. 
I'm not kidding.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


> No, I don't think it is malicious or deliberate. It is almost as if the 
> repeater is getting into itself. It is not a ham repeater, it is a local 
> Sheriffs dept.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:03:48 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> Could be someone playing "games" with the users.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "NORM KNAPP"  <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started
>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle.



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread John J. Riddell
Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham repeater that 
would
lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair frequencies ! It was 
a sound like
a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of 
inversion.

John VE3AMZ



- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the 
> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any connections yet 
> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the 
> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of 
> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't 
> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during 
> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
> Any ideas?
> N5NPO
> Norman Knapp
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 



Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
Thanks!
It doesn't sound that much like a toy. I have heard it several times. The 
radios have a asci type identifier at the end of their tranmissions. No 
identifiers after the whistle sound.

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 16:19:58 2009
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



A few years back the exact same thing was happening here on a VHF simplex 
Sheriff system. Solution? Take the toy train whistle away from the deputy. 
I'm not kidding.

Chuck
WB2EDV

- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

> No, I don't think it is malicious or deliberate. It is almost as if the 
> repeater is getting into itself. It is not a ham repeater, it is a local 
> Sheriffs dept.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:03:48 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> Could be someone playing "games" with the users.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net>  
> <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started
>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle.






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter frequency and a DPL 
code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of ducting lately. 
Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 16:23:27 2009
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham repeater that 
would
lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair frequencies ! It was 
a sound like
a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of 
inversion.

John VE3AMZ

- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started 
> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the 
> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any connections yet 
> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the 
> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of 
> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't 
> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during 
> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
> Any ideas?
> N5NPO
> Norman Knapp
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> 






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on the 
reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam whistle - the 
description of  howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've heard when 
reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until one times 
out.

Chuck
WB2EDV


- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater


> Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter frequency and a 
> DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of 
> ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:23:27 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham repeater that
> would
> lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair frequencies ! It 
> was
> a sound like
> a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
> inversion.
>
> John VE3AMZ
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "NORM KNAPP"  <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started
>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the
>> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any connections yet
>> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the
>> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of
>> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't
>> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during
>> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
>> Any ideas?
>> N5NPO
>> Norman Knapp
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread NORM KNAPP
Well. The tunnel thing is a better desciption. There is kind of a heterodyning 
effect to the sound. Like a drain pipe hollow sound. Good desciption.

- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 16:39:07 2009
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on the 
reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam whistle - the 
description of howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've heard when 
reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until one times 
out.

Chuck
WB2EDV

- Original Message - 
From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
To: mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

> Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter frequency and a 
> DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of 
> ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
> >
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:23:27 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham repeater that
> would
> lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair frequencies ! It 
> was
> a sound like
> a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
> inversion.
>
> John VE3AMZ
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net>  
> <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started
>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the
>> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any connections yet
>> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the
>> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of
>> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't
>> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during
>> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
>> Any ideas?
>> N5NPO
>> Norman Knapp
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-24 Thread Nate Duehr
Does this repeater have a digital audio delay in it?  It could be  
getting into ITSELF...

Output to input PIM or other sources like that with a digital audio  
delay, will sound like that... a hollow "echo" chamber, often with any  
tones or low level noises really amplified... like stage PA system to  
mic "feedback" loops.

Nate WY0X

On May 24, 2009, at 4:00 PM, NORM KNAPP wrote:

> Well. The tunnel thing is a better desciption. There is kind of a  
> heterodyning effect to the sound. Like a drain pipe hollow sound.  
> Good desciption.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  >
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com  buil...@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:39:07 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on  
> the
> reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam  
> whistle - the
> description of howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've  
> heard when
> reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until  
> one times
> out.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
> > >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
> > >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter  
>> frequency and a
>> DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of
>> ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> >  > > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > >
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> >  > > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > >
>> Sent: Sun May 24 16:23:27 2009
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>>
>>
>>
>> Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham  
>> repeater that
>> would
>> lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair  
>> frequencies ! It
>> was
>> a sound like
>> a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
>> inversion.
>>
>> John VE3AMZ
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
>> >
>> <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
>> To: > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> >
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>>
>>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has  
>>> started
>>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all  
>>> the
>>> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any  
>>> connections yet
>>> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks  
>>> through the
>>> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a  
>>> couple of
>>> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I  
>>> don't
>>> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it  
>>> during
>>> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> N5NPO
>>> Norman Knapp
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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--
Nate Duehr
n...@natetech.com






Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-25 Thread Richard Fletcher
Hi Norm,
 I have seen this a couple times. Once was on an old Motorola Motrac and once 
on a Mastr II.
 Both were on UHF and both were because of a receive audio load problem. The 
fix is making sure you have a speaker load on the receiver. Give that a try and 
let me know if that seems to do the trick.
 Another thing to check for is to see if there is any interference on the IF 
Frequency of the oscillator freq. On the GE its 11.2 MHZ down from the actual 
freq. Not sure what it is on that model Moto. 
 One more thing,
 One it’s keyed up, take a screw driver handle and tap lightly around the 
receiver section. It might just be a bad connection or cold solder joint. 
 Make sure the receiver antenna connection is good from the PCB all the way to 
the Duplexer as well. Moving the connection (Tighten or loosen the connections) 
 
Best Regards
Rick

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, NORM KNAPP  wrote:


From: NORM KNAPP 
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 5:12 PM








Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has started making 
a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all the time. It seems 
random. I have not been able to make any connections yet with regular 
occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks through the repeater and the 
unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a couple of seconds to neary a 
minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I don't remember the duplexer 
type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it during the day, it seems more 
prevelant in the evening and mornings. 
Any ideas?
N5NPO
Norman Knapp
















  

Re: [possible spam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-25 Thread NORM KNAPP
I don't belive so. It is a moto MTR2000. Nothing fancy. I didn't install the 
repeater origionally. I have taken it to the shop for repairs once, over a year 
ago. About the only constant is time of day. Mornings and evenings mostly.
There are at least 2 other VHF repeaters on that same tower. One of the other 
ones may be doing funny things as well. I have got to investigate further on 
that.


- Original Message -
From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 23:25:44 2009
Subject: [possible spam]  Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Does this repeater have a digital audio delay in it? It could be 
getting into ITSELF...

Output to input PIM or other sources like that with a digital audio 
delay, will sound like that... a hollow "echo" chamber, often with any 
tones or low level noises really amplified... like stage PA system to 
mic "feedback" loops.

Nate WY0X

On May 24, 2009, at 4:00 PM, NORM KNAPP wrote:

> Well. The tunnel thing is a better desciption. There is kind of a 
> heterodyning effect to the sound. Like a drain pipe hollow sound. 
> Good desciption.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> 
>  
> >
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>   buil...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Sun May 24 16:39:07 2009
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>
>
> You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on 
> the
> reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam 
> whistle - the
> description of howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've 
> heard when
> reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until 
> one times
> out.
>
> Chuck
> WB2EDV
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net>  
> <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
> > >
> To:  <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
> > >
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>
>> Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter 
>> frequency and a
>> DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of
>> ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > > > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
>> > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > >
>> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > > > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
>> > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> > >
>> Sent: Sun May 24 16:23:27 2009
>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>>
>>
>>
>> Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham 
>> repeater that
>> would
>> lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair 
>> frequencies ! It
>> was
>> a sound like
>> a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
>> inversion.
>>
>> John VE3AMZ
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "NORM KNAPP" mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> 
>>  <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net 
>> >
>> <mailto:nknapp%40twowayradio.net> >
>> To: > <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com>  
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com 
>> >
>> <mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com> >
>> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:12 PM
>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
>>
>>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has 
>>> started
>>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all 
>>> the
>>> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any 
>>> connections yet
>>> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks 
>>> through the
>>> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a 
>>> couple of
>>> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I 
>>> don't
>>> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it 
>>> during
>>> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> N5NPO
>>> Norman Knapp
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
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> 
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: [possible spam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater

2009-05-25 Thread NORM KNAPP
Update to noise in repeater.
One of the other 2 repeaters on the tower has been keyed up a good bit off and 
on with no modulation, ie someone sitting on a mic or something, but no 
modulation heard.
While this other repeater is up and someone brings the noisy repeter up, the 
noise happens. I have yet to hear the noise without the second repeater 
transmitting. I am starting to see a pattern here and will investigate further.
Thanks for all the input and keep it coming.
N5NPO
Norm

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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sun May 24 23:25:44 2009
Subject: [possible spam]  Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater



Does this repeater have a digital audio delay in it? It could be 
getting into ITSELF...

Output to input PIM or other sources like that with a digital audio 
delay, will sound like that... a hollow "echo" chamber, often with any 
tones or low level noises really amplified... like stage PA system to 
mic "feedback" loops.

Nate WY0X

On May 24, 2009, at 4:00 PM, NORM KNAPP wrote:

> Well. The tunnel thing is a better desciption. There is kind of a 
> heterodyning effect to the sound. Like a drain pipe hollow sound. 
> Good desciption.
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> You could do a frequency search and see if you could find a user on 
> the
> reverse pair. However, I've never heard it sound like a steam 
> whistle - the
> description of howling in a tunnel (or drain pipe) is what I've 
> heard when
> reverse pair repeaters lock up. And they can stay locked up until 
> one times
> out.
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> Chuck
> WB2EDV
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>> Now that is more likely. They have a really weird splinter 
>> frequency and a
>> DPL code. That is still very possible. There has been a good bit of
>> ducting lately. Thanks, I will start listening to the repeater input.
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>> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
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>> Norman, we had a similar situation many years ago with a Ham 
>> repeater that
>> would
>> lock up with a distant repeater using the reverse pair 
>> frequencies ! It
>> was
>> a sound like
>> a hollow tunnel howling and growling.happened during periods of
>> inversion.
>>
>> John VE3AMZ
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>> Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Strang new noise in repeater
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>>> Got a VHF repeater in my area. In the last several weeks it has 
>>> started
>>> making a noise like that of a steam whistle. It doesn't do it all 
>>> the
>>> time. It seems random. I have not been able to make any 
>>> connections yet
>>> with regular occurances. It doesn't do it until someone talks 
>>> through the
>>> repeater and the unkeys. The noise keeps the repeater up for a 
>>> couple of
>>> seconds to neary a minute. The repeater is a 100watt MTR2000. I 
>>> don't
>>> remember the duplexer type/model/brand. It doesn't seem to do it 
>>> during
>>> the day, it seems more prevelant in the evening and mornings.
>>> Any ideas?
>>> N5NPO
>>> Norman Knapp
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