[Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
FYI It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications including radio or Internet I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt. I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a site from that area to listen to it Live . Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner stations. Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters I am sure others have this on the Repeters too This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this Don KA9QJG Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 20 ILCS 2615/12 new Synopsis As Introduced Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately. http://tinyurl.com/yf3on2y
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Wow! I would have thought it illegal under Federal Law. What do I know Best Regardss, de W1EL Eric Lowell Eastern Maine Electronics Inc. 48 Loon Road Wesley ME 04686 eme@starband.net www.satnetmaine.com From: ka9qjg1 ka9...@wowway.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 9:27:44 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications FYI It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications including radio or Internet I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt. I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a site from that area to listen to it Live . Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner stations. Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters I am sure others have this on the Repeters too This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this Don KA9QJG Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 20 ILCS 2615/12 new Synopsis As Introduced Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately. http://tinyurl. com/yf3on2y
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
The Federal Law says only that is it illegal to divulge radio traffic to third parties or to use it for personal profit or gain (ambulance chasers), when I lived in Philadelphia in the 60’s the Phila PD used to pipe their communications into the various radio stations and TV Stations—then they passed a anti scanner law. The Chief of Miami PD once said that he wanted to sell ads on his network—the following robbery is brought to you by the bank of Miami. Andy From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lowell Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 6:56 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications Wow! I would have thought it illegal under Federal Law. What do I know Best Regardss, de W1EL Eric Lowell Eastern Maine Electronics Inc. 48 Loon Road Wesley ME 04686 eme@starband.net www.satnetmaine.com From: ka9qjg1 ka9...@wowway.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, February 18, 2010 9:27:44 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications FYI It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications including radio or Internet I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt. I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a site from that area to listen to it Live . Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner stations. Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters I am sure others have this on the Repeters too This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this Don KA9QJG Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 20 ILCS 2615/12 new Synopsis As Introduced Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately. http://tinyurl. com/yf3on2y http://tinyurl.com/yf3on2y
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. The way I read this, you specifically CAN retransmit Amber Alerts, etc. Also, the provision reads that you cannot retransmit voice or data transmitted via the STATES public radio system. Amber Alerts going out over NOAA Weather Radio are NOT being transmitted by state facilities. NOAA is a Federal agency. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ka9qjg1 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:28 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications FYI It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications including radio or Internet I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt. I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a site from that area to listen to it Live . Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner stations. Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters I am sure others have this on the Repeters too This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this Don KA9QJG Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 20 ILCS 2615/12 new Synopsis As Introduced Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately. http://tinyurl.com/yf3on2y
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
I can't imagine any reason why it shouldn't be legal to do this. Where is the sense? Oops, there I go thinking that all laws should make sense. 73 Paul - KC0HST - Original Message - From: Eric Lowell To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications Wow! I would have thought it illegal under Federal Law. What do I know Best Regardss, de W1EL Eric Lowell
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
Don, the copy of the statute you quoted specifically exempts communications transmitted ...for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts. What I want to know is, what if you set up across the state line with a yagi, and put it on the web from there? Your QTH would be just the place from which to do it! Nyah-nyah, Illinois! 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: ka9qjg1 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:27 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications FYI It is now Against the Law in Il To Rebroadcast Public safety Communications including radio or Internet I know most of us in this Hobby are aware of all the Scanner Type Communications being linked d to the Internet. I always wondered about the legality of doing this especially living in one of the Few States that have an Anti Scanner Law against mobiles and Handhelds unless one is exempt. I always liked the idea of seeing something big on the News and finding a site from that area to listen to it Live . Well it looks like Il has put together a law against doing this I do not know about other states . Or how this is going to stop the On Line Scanner stations. Also as written unless I have permission it looks like I cannot rebroadcast the Amber Alerts which come out over My Emerg Weather Receive on My Repeaters I am sure others have this on the Repeters too This will be interesting to see if anyone is a actually charged with this Don KA9QJG Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance 20 ILCS 2615/11 new 20 ILCS 2615/12 new Synopsis As Introduced Amends the State Police Radio Act. Provides that a person receiving public safety voice or data communication transmitted via the facilities of the State's public safety radio system by wire or radio shall not, without the written authority of the originator of the communication, rebroadcast the communication via any means, including radio or Internet, or otherwise divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning thereof. Provides that this provision does not apply to the public safety radio communication transmitted by any system station for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts and other communications specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public. Provides that radio access to the public safety radio system within the State may only be accomplished upon receipt of written authorization granted by the appropriately licensed authority. Provides that a violation of these provisions is a Class A misdemeanor. Effective immediately. http://tinyurl.com/yf3on2y
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
Then it is a federal matter and not that I am much good with this legal stuff ... but no matter where you are, it is illegal to divulge what you hear to a 3rd party ... that would include a re-broadcast via IP or radio anyway?? So with that, aren't all the scanner sites illegal? James Paul Plack wrote: Don, the copy of the statute you quoted specifically exempts communications transmitted ...for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts. What I want to know is, what if you set up across the state line with a yagi, and put it on the web from there? Your QTH would be just the place from which to do it! Nyah-nyah, Illinois! 73, Paul, AE4KR
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
That's not true. Certain information (that which is specifically intended for rebroadcast to the public) MAY be rebroadcast. The statute (both Federal and State) has to do with privileged communications, not material which is intended for public consumption. It appears to me that this law is redundant. but then again most of the Gov't is redundant, so what else is new. WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Delancy Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications Then it is a federal matter and not that I am much good with this legal stuff ... but no matter where you are, it is illegal to divulge what you hear to a 3rd party ... that would include a re-broadcast via IP or radio anyway?? So with that, aren't all the scanner sites illegal? James Paul Plack wrote: Don, the copy of the statute you quoted specifically exempts communications transmitted ...for the use of the general public, including Amber Alerts. What I want to know is, what if you set up across the state line with a yagi, and put it on the web from there? Your QTH would be just the place from which to do it! Nyah-nyah, Illinois! 73, Paul, AE4KR
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unlawful in Il to Rebroadcast Public Safety Communications
On Thu, 18 Feb 2010, James Delancy wrote: Then it is a federal matter and not that I am much good with this legal stuff ... but no matter where you are, it is illegal to divulge what you hear to a 3rd party ... that would include a re-broadcast via IP or radio anyway?? So with that, aren't all the scanner sites illegal? Four points: 1) No station outside of Shortwave, TV, FM, or AM services are legally authorized to broadcast. 2) The Communications Act of 1934 and The Telecommunications Act of 1996 govern this. RF is the FCC's domains, unless someone really wants to rehash States Rights during this administration. 3) The use of the internet is governed by the FCC, through the divisions the telcos use, under the name they use: Common Carrier. 4) Interference with a common carrier is a FEDERAL offense, punishable by fine and/or jail time. On the point of #4, if a police officer pulls over a legally operated and authorized semi-trailer carrying a sealed load across state lines and tells the driver to break the seal on the trailer, that officer is interfering with interstate commerce and may be be arrested by the US Marshals. My advice? Don't test this law. If you do test this law and officers show up to arrest you, immediately call the US Marshals office. Oh -- get a good lawyer, and make him a rich man. And further -- it is impossible to broadcast over the internet or IP. There are mechanisms which work similar to the common-sense concept of broadcasting, but properly designed networks do not allow such packets to traverse the networks or the edges of the networks. Multicast, which is a broadcast like IP-based system has not been deployed on large scale basis by most providers. Like 99.999% of them. And they charge good money if your packets need to be in all places at one time -- that's X amount of bandwidth taken from ALL of thier pipes that service your points of interest. It's time for a repeal of that law, and a recall election to remove that member of the legislature from office. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
