Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS repeater wanted or parts to build one

[Brian Raker]

Brian,

I will contact you off list re: a repeater I have that would fit your bill
perfectly.

-Brian



On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 5:38 AM, Brian  wrote:

>
>
> Yes, I do, but I need one in a different location.  There are allot of hiss
> around here.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* kc7stw 
> *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:13 AM
> *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS repeater wanted or parts to build
> one
>
>
>
> You do know there is one on the air now right!
>
> Contact off list...
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "ke7wrc"  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I am new to this group. I was wondering if anyone had a working used
> repeater for sale that I could use for GMRS or help in finding parts etc. to
> build my own. I would need everything including the cabinet, radio(s),
> controller, duplexer, antenna(s), and maybe even power supply. I would
> probably need to purchase liability insurance also, so any help with
> insurance providers, policy limits and customary insurance premiums would be
> of help as well. I live in the Reno/Sparks, Nevada area. Thank you for your
> time and help!
> >
> > Brian Becker
> > KE7WRC
> > WQDX970
> >
>
>
>
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS repeater wanted or parts to build one

[Brian]

Yes, I do, but I need one in a different location.  There are allot of hiss 
around here.

  - Original Message - 
  From: kc7stw 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:13 AM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS repeater wanted or parts to build one



  You do know there is one on the air now right!

  Contact off list...

  --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "ke7wrc"  wrote:
  >
  > Hi, I am new to this group. I was wondering if anyone had a working used 
repeater for sale that I could use for GMRS or help in finding parts etc. to 
build my own. I would need everything including the cabinet, radio(s), 
controller, duplexer, antenna(s), and maybe even power supply. I would probably 
need to purchase liability insurance also, so any help with insurance 
providers, policy limits and customary insurance premiums would be of help as 
well. I live in the Reno/Sparks, Nevada area. Thank you for your time and help!
  > 
  > Brian Becker
  > KE7WRC
  > WQDX970
  >



  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Milt]

The GMRS full power channels are 462.550, 462.575, 462.600, 462.625, 
462.650, 462.675, 462.700, 462.725.  Deviation is +\- 5KHz.  Power output 50 
watts + antenna gain, if any.

 The "interstitle" channels like 462.5625 are used by the FRS 
"kiddie-talkies".  500mW power, +\- 2.5KHz deviation, no external antennas.

Whoever thought that arrangement up had no comprehension of how a radio 
works.

If I were going to try to use GMRS today with the prolifiration of 
kiddie-talkies out there I would limit my receive radio bandwidth to the 
12.5K setting to cut down on the adjacent channel junk, but that means that 
any radio normally set for GMRS at 25KHz bandwidth will sound crappy.

Thank the FCC and the radio manufacturers for killing off a good service.

Milt
N3LTQ


- Original Message - 
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater


>I was describing the many bandwidth options offered in many new PC 
>programmable commercial two-way radios today.
> Maybe we're looking at two different things but I see GMRS channels as 
> 12.5Khz apart from each other. Channel one for example is 462.5500 where 
> channel two is 462.5625.
> Gary
>  wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> > Paul, the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not
>> > between 15Khz vs. 20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and
>> > 25Khz channels more commonly found on UHF which as you know is where
>> > GMRS resides. Historically there's more than enough guard between
>> > channels to compensate for slight overdeviation or slight drift off
>> > channel but now everybody wants to tighten things up so new gear is
>> > coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with 20Khz channels vs.
>> > 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz channels.
>> > Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from
>> > +/-5Khz peak dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users
>> > to have the option I suppose. Gary
>>
>>
>> Huh? GMRS channels are still spaced 25 KHz apart. If someone is making
>> radios with 20KHz spacing, they are illegal-in the US...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

I was describing the many bandwidth options offered in many new PC programmable 
commercial two-way radios today.
Maybe we're looking at two different things but I see GMRS channels as 12.5Khz 
apart from each other. Channel one for example is 462.5500 where channel two is 
462.5625.
Gary
 wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Paul, the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not
> > between 15Khz vs. 20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and
> > 25Khz channels more commonly found on UHF which as you know is where
> > GMRS resides. Historically there's more than enough guard between
> > channels to compensate for slight overdeviation or slight drift off
> > channel but now everybody wants to tighten things up so new gear is
> > coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with 20Khz channels vs.
> > 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz channels.
> > Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from
> > +/-5Khz peak dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users
> > to have the option I suppose. Gary
> 
> 
> Huh? GMRS channels are still spaced 25 KHz apart. If someone is making 
> radios with 20KHz spacing, they are illegal-in the US...
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[wd8chl]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Paul, the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not
> between 15Khz vs. 20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and
> 25Khz channels more commonly found on UHF which as you know is where
> GMRS resides. Historically there's more than enough guard between
> channels to compensate for slight overdeviation or slight drift off
> channel but now everybody wants to tighten things up so new gear is
> coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with 20Khz channels vs.
> 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz channels.
> Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from
> +/-5Khz peak dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users
> to have the option I suppose. Gary


Huh? GMRS channels are still spaced 25 KHz apart. If someone is making 
radios with 20KHz spacing, they are illegal-in the US...

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[wd8chl]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I should clarify that I was referring to new commercial gear coming
> stock with 4Khz dev on 20Khz channels as one of the selectable
> bandwidths per channel. 

Educated guess-that's probably for the 800MHz NPSPAC channels. They are 
slightly narrower assignments, with +/-4KHz dev total.

I think they are 11K3 instead of 12K5 emission...?

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

I should clarify that I was referring to new commercial gear coming stock with 
4Khz dev on 20Khz channels as one of the selectable bandwidths per channel. So 
far as I know most new VHF/UHF amateur gear these days is user selectable as 
either wideband or narrowband. I'm working more today with the newer Moto stuff 
(Astro, Pro, and Mototrbo) and don't keep up on the amateur gear as much I used 
to.
Gary
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Paul,
> the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not between 15Khz vs. 
> 20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and 25Khz channels more 
> commonly found on UHF which as you know is where GMRS resides. Historically 
> there's more than enough guard between channels to compensate for slight 
> overdeviation or slight drift off channel but now everybody wants to tighten 
> things up so new gear is coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with 20Khz 
> channels vs. 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz channels. 
> Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from +/-5Khz peak 
> dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users to have the option I 
> suppose.
> Gary

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Robert Koblish]

Note also that a 0.005% frequency tolerance is 3 times as big at 450 MHz as
it is at 150, hence the wider channel spacing that has been used on UHF in
the past.

-Bob N3HAT

On Jan 24, 2008 5:16 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Paul,
> the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not between 15Khz vs.
> 20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and 25Khz channels more
> commonly found on UHF which as you know is where GMRS resides. Historically
> there's more than enough guard between channels to compensate for slight
> overdeviation or slight drift off channel but now everybody wants to tighten
> things up so new gear is coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with
> 20Khz channels vs. 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz
> channels. Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from
> +/-5Khz peak dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users to
> have the option I suppose.
> Gary
>  Paul Plack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Gary, 5 kHz deviation with a 3 kHz audio cutoff creates a signal at
> least 13
> > kHz wide, counting only the first set of sidebands. That's why many
> states
> > went from 15 kHz to a 20 kHz channel bandplan on 2m a few years ago.
> There's
> > nothing inconsistent in the FCC imposing both limits.
> >
> > 73,
> > Paul, AE4KR
> >
> >   _
> >
> > From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:33 PM
> > To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater
> >
> >
> >
> > I wrote NARROWER GMRS SPECS. I did not write narrowband. After more
> study I
> > see some possible contridictions in the rules as currently written for
> > example, F3E/G3E GMRS emissions (probably the most common) are limited
> to
> > 20Khz bandwidth but at the same time those emission types are also
> limited
> > to +/-5Khz peak dev. I suspect the FCC doesn't really give a damn these
> days
> > especially with rebanding, auctions, and now a congressional
> investigation
> > on their doorstep.
> > Gary
> >
> >  wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wd8chl%40gmail.com> com> wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:n6lrv%40cox.net>  wrote:
> > > > Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so
> making
> > them meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I
> wonder if
> > a Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
> > > > Gary
> > >
> > > You're not talking about the Part 90 narrowbanding? Part 95 (GMRS)
> does
> > > not have to narrowband. The 12.5 tertiaries are NB, but the normal
> > > channels can stay as they are.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

Paul,
the underlying and unexpected contridiction here was not between 15Khz vs. 
20Khz channel spacing but instead between 20Khz and 25Khz channels more 
commonly found on UHF which as you know is where GMRS resides. Historically 
there's more than enough guard between channels to compensate for slight 
overdeviation or slight drift off channel but now everybody wants to tighten 
things up so new gear is coming stock with 4Khz max dev associated with 20Khz 
channels vs. 5Khz dev which we've all enjoyed for years on 25/30Khz channels. 
Seems a bit odd of them to expect no interference problems from +/-5Khz peak 
dev on a 20Khz max channel but it is better for us users to have the option I 
suppose.
Gary
 Paul Plack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Gary, 5 kHz deviation with a 3 kHz audio cutoff creates a signal at least 13
> kHz wide, counting only the first set of sidebands. That's why many states
> went from 15 kHz to a 20 kHz channel bandplan on 2m a few years ago. There's
> nothing inconsistent in the FCC imposing both limits.
>  
> 73,
> Paul, AE4KR
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:33 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater
> 
> 
> 
> I wrote NARROWER GMRS SPECS. I did not write narrowband. After more study I
> see some possible contridictions in the rules as currently written for
> example, F3E/G3E GMRS emissions (probably the most common) are limited to
> 20Khz bandwidth but at the same time those emission types are also limited
> to +/-5Khz peak dev. I suspect the FCC doesn't really give a damn these days
> especially with rebanding, auctions, and now a congressional investigation
> on their doorstep.
> Gary
> 
>  wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wd8chl%40gmail.com> com> wrote: 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:n6lrv%40cox.net>  wrote:
> > > Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making
> them meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if
> a Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
> > > Gary
> > 
> > You're not talking about the Part 90 narrowbanding? Part 95 (GMRS) does 
> > not have to narrowband. The 12.5 tertiaries are NB, but the normal 
> > channels can stay as they are.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

Thanks for that background info. I suppose that's one way to look at it but in 
my experience a mobile relay station now carries a different definition from 
the FCC as shown in Part 90.7 for example. They also define a fixed relay 
station so while at one time the term 'mobile relay station' may have passed as 
any repeater I wonder if they take a different position today. Gary
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> Gary,
> 
> A "mobile relay station" is defined as a device that relays mobile
> traffic (i.e., a repeater). A fixed station is simply a base station,
> at a fixed location, manually controlled by an operator. This is
> standard across FCC controlled communications and is not GMRS
> specific.
> 
> LMR repeaters are commonly licensed with a station class of FB2, which
> the FCC designates as mobile relay. A fixed base station would be
> classified as FB under an FCC license. When a system will have a fixed
> base operating through a repeater you'll have both FB and FB2 on the
> license.
> 
> Hopefully that clears it up.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:08:20 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >We? Who else are speaking for? I've submitted this question to the FCC for 
> >clarification. We'll see what they say if they actually get back to me (they 
> >usually don't).
> >Gary
> > wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> >> Gary wrote:
> >> > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
> >> > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> >> > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> >> > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> >> > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> >> > needed clarification as they have the final word.
> >> > Gary
> >> 
> >> "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
> >> Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Paul Plack]

Gary, 5 kHz deviation with a 3 kHz audio cutoff creates a signal at least 13
kHz wide, counting only the first set of sidebands. That's why many states
went from 15 kHz to a 20 kHz channel bandplan on 2m a few years ago. There's
nothing inconsistent in the FCC imposing both limits.
 
73,
Paul, AE4KR

  _  

From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:33 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater



I wrote NARROWER GMRS SPECS. I did not write narrowband. After more study I
see some possible contridictions in the rules as currently written for
example, F3E/G3E GMRS emissions (probably the most common) are limited to
20Khz bandwidth but at the same time those emission types are also limited
to +/-5Khz peak dev. I suspect the FCC doesn't really give a damn these days
especially with rebanding, auctions, and now a congressional investigation
on their doorstep.
Gary

 wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:wd8chl%40gmail.com> com> wrote: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:n6lrv%40cox.net>  wrote:
> > Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making
them meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if
a Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
> > Gary
> 
> You're not talking about the Part 90 narrowbanding? Part 95 (GMRS) does 
> not have to narrowband. The 12.5 tertiaries are NB, but the normal 
> channels can stay as they are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 



 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

I wrote NARROWER GMRS SPECS. I did not write narrowband. After more study I see 
some possible contridictions in the rules as currently written for example, 
F3E/G3E GMRS emissions (probably the most common) are limited to 20Khz 
bandwidth but at the same time those emission types are also limited to +/-5Khz 
peak dev. I suspect the FCC doesn't really give a damn these days especially 
with rebanding, auctions, and now a congressional investigation on their 
doorstep.
Gary

 wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making 
> > them meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder 
> > if a Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
> > Gary
> 
> You're not talking about the Part 90 narrowbanding? Part 95 (GMRS) does 
> not have to narrowband. The 12.5 tertiaries are NB, but the normal 
> channels can stay as they are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[lists455]

Gary,

A "mobile relay station" is defined as a device that relays mobile
traffic (i.e., a repeater). A fixed station is simply a base station,
at a fixed location, manually controlled by an operator. This is
standard across FCC controlled communications and is not GMRS
specific.

LMR repeaters are commonly licensed with a station class of FB2, which
the FCC designates as mobile relay. A fixed base station would be
classified as FB under an FCC license. When a system will have a fixed
base operating through a repeater you'll have both FB and FB2 on the
license.

Hopefully that clears it up.


On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:08:20 -0500, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>We? Who else are speaking for? I've submitted this question to the FCC for 
>clarification. We'll see what they say if they actually get back to me (they 
>usually don't).
>Gary
> wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>> Gary wrote:
>> > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
>> > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
>> > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
>> > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
>> > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
>> > needed clarification as they have the final word.
>> > Gary
>> 
>> "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
>> Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[wd8chl]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them 
> meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a 
> Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
> Gary

You're not talking about the Part 90 narrowbanding? Part 95 (GMRS) does 
not have to narrowband. The 12.5 tertiaries are NB, but the normal 
channels can stay as they are.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[wd8chl]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> We? Who else are speaking for? I've submitted this question to the FCC for 
> clarification. We'll see what they say if they actually get back to me (they 
> usually don't).
> Gary


uh-'We' as users/radio people.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Mike Morris WA6ILQ]

At 10:53 AM 01/23/08, you wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, George Henry wrote:
> > There is a fairly easy crystal filter swap kit available for the
> > Mitreks from Communications Specialists for $25.00.  And .0002%
> > channel elements are also available (KXN1112A for RX, KXN1095A for TX
> > - you really only need to meet the TX stability...)
>
>Anyone got a source for the above? I have an MSR2000 that's in an
>unconditioned space I need a transmit and recieve element for.

If all you want is a transmit element do a search on ebay with:
("knx-1095*",kxn1095*)

The parentheses and the comma set up an OR condition, the
asterisk allows a 1095, 1095A, 1095B, etc to be found, and
because the first one has a - in it you need to have it in quotes
(normally the - is used as an exception... if you were to type
in this:
coat wool -brown
you would show all wool coats except the brown ones.

If you want both transmit and receive elements use this:
("knx-1095*",kxn1095*, "knx-1112*",kxn1112*)

Mike WA6ILQ

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[rb_n3dab]

Narrow band is only required on the interstitial channels (those that fall 
between the repeater pairs) along with the reduced power requirements, but I 
don't believe the FCC would have any problem if were were to narrow band a 
repeater. However transient users and other may have a problem ,radio wise, in 
using it unless it is a private or closed system.
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

=
Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them 
meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a 
Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
Gary

 Richard Bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hello,
> I just wanted to add my 2 cents here.
> I have been working the last ... 2 years on building a GMRS repeater out 
> of two Motorola Mitrek's and a single M controller.
> If I had one word of advice, buy a commercial one! Save yourself alot of 
> frustration and money on the tools needed to build it.
> These have been looking real good to me recently:
> http://www.gmrsoutlet.com/home.php?cat=1
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard Bessey
> 
> wd8chl wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 
> > 95.135(a)
> > > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> > > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> > > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> > > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> > > needed clarification as they have the final word.
> > > Gary
> >
> > "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
> > Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[rb_n3dab]

Thank you Tom.
--
Doug   
N3DAB/WPRX486/WPJL709

 Tom Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
A repeater is a mobile relay station, not a fixed station as defined in 
the rules.  50 watts is the limit.

thp

Gary wrote:

> CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
> reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> needed clarification as they have the final word.
> Gary
>
> n3dab wrote:
>
> > This in response to shady1070's original question and Gary's reponse.
> >
> > Unless I've been misinformed for the past 30+ years the maximum
> > autorized output power for GMRS is 50 watts from the Xmtr.(Base,
> > Mobile and Repeater). There are power limitations on the
> > interstitial freqs. but Repeaters are only permitted on the 8
> > designated pair $62/467.550 thu .725 in 25 KHz steps. Re: the
> > original question about the rptr./controller set up I would suggest
> > the Kenwood TKR-850 which has everything in one package Contoller,
> > CWid, ctcss/dcs, computer programable, etc. and the Kenwood can be
> > reprogammed down to the 440 band. GMRS rptrs. are not REQUIRED to
> > ID, the GMRS user is, however if the all users operate under a single
> > authorization/call sign CWid is allowed. Also, running a beacon type
> > messages, voice or CWID, may be construed as non-directed traffic
> > (broadcasting) by the FCC. There are many problems aaociated with
> > building and installing a repeater including site
> > location/acquisition, types of antennas, feed line, and duplexers to
> > name a few. I believe you have a pretty good learning curve ahead of
> > you. Wher are you located Shady?
> >
> > Doug N3DAB / WPRX486 / WPJL709
> >
> > --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
> , Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > well, first off, assuming your repeater is land based and qualifies
> > as a
> > > fixed station (they usually do) then your output power is limited
> > to 15
> > > watts output, CFR Title 47 Part 95.135(d).
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > shady1070 wrote:
> > >
> > > > I Am looking to put a 40 watt repeater on Gmrs. I Know very
> > little
> > > > about repeaters. I am looking for something That is Pc
> > Programmable
> > > > and also my biggest concern is about a controller. I want A Nice
> > > > controller that does voice and I want to have the capabilities of
> > a
> > > > phone patch for later use on 440. How do you connect the
> > controller to
> > > > a repeater etc.. Can anybody recommend some stuff and help me
> > out. I
> > > > cann't find anybody locally that can really halp me with this
> > project.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Kris Kirby]

On Wed, 23 Jan 2008, George Henry wrote:
> There is a fairly easy crystal filter swap kit available for the 
> Mitreks from Communications Specialists for $25.00.  And .0002% 
> channel elements are also available (KXN1112A for RX, KXN1095A for TX 
> - you really only need to meet the TX stability...)

Anyone got a source for the above? I have an MSR2000 that's in an 
unconditioned space I need a transmit and recieve element for.

--
Kris Kirby, KE4AHR  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
But remember, with no superpowers comes no responsibility. 
--rly

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[George Henry]

There is a fairly easy crystal filter swap kit available for the Mitreks from 
Communications Specialists for $25.00.  And .0002% channel elements are also 
available (KXN1112A for RX, KXN1095A for TX - you really only need to meet the 
TX stability...)

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413



-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Jan 23, 2008 9:16 AM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater
>
>Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them 
>meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a 
>Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
>Gary
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[George Henry]

There is a fairly easy crystal filter swap kit available for the Mitreks from 
Communications Specialists for $25.00.  And .0002% channel elements are also 
available (KXN1112A for RX, KXN1095A for TX - you really only need to meet the 
TX stability...)

George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413



-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Jan 23, 2008 9:16 AM
>To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater
>
>Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them 
>meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a 
>Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
>Gary
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

Good idea Richard especially since Mitreks are wideband radios so making them 
meet the narrower GMRS specs is probably a monumental task. I wonder if a 
Mitrek can even meet the required frequency tolerance.
Gary

 Richard Bessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Hello,
> I just wanted to add my 2 cents here.
> I have been working the last ... 2 years on building a GMRS repeater out 
> of two Motorola Mitrek's and a single M controller.
> If I had one word of advice, buy a commercial one! Save yourself alot of 
> frustration and money on the tools needed to build it.
> These have been looking real good to me recently:
> http://www.gmrsoutlet.com/home.php?cat=1
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Richard Bessey
> 
> wd8chl wrote:
> >
> > Gary wrote:
> > > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 
> > 95.135(a)
> > > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> > > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> > > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> > > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> > > needed clarification as they have the final word.
> > > Gary
> >
> > "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
> > Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

We? Who else are speaking for? I've submitted this question to the FCC for 
clarification. We'll see what they say if they actually get back to me (they 
usually don't).
Gary
 wd8chl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Gary wrote:
> > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
> > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> > needed clarification as they have the final word.
> > Gary
> 
> "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
> Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[n6lrv]

Where exactly do you find this in Part 95?
Gary
 Tom Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> A repeater is a mobile relay station, not a fixed station as defined in 
> the rules.  50 watts is the limit.
> 
> thp

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Richard Bessey]

Hello,
I just wanted to add my 2 cents here.
I have been working the last ... 2 years on building a GMRS repeater out 
of two Motorola Mitrek's and a single M controller.
If I had one word of advice, buy a commercial one! Save yourself alot of 
frustration and money on the tools needed to build it.
These have been looking real good to me recently:
http://www.gmrsoutlet.com/home.php?cat=1

Regards,

Richard Bessey

wd8chl wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> > CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 
> 95.135(a)
> > reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> > Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> > watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> > to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> > needed clarification as they have the final word.
> > Gary
>
> "fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
> Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.
>
>  

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[wd8chl]

Gary wrote:
> CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
> reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
> Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
> watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
> to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
> needed clarification as they have the final word.
> Gary

"fixed station" refers to what we would call 'control stations'.
Repeaters and base stations can run 50W.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Tom Parker]

A repeater is a mobile relay station, not a fixed station as defined in 
the rules.  50 watts is the limit.


thp

Gary wrote:


CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
needed clarification as they have the final word.
Gary

n3dab wrote:

> This in response to shady1070's original question and Gary's reponse.
>
> Unless I've been misinformed for the past 30+ years the maximum
> autorized output power for GMRS is 50 watts from the Xmtr.(Base,
> Mobile and Repeater). There are power limitations on the
> interstitial freqs. but Repeaters are only permitted on the 8
> designated pair $62/467.550 thu .725 in 25 KHz steps. Re: the
> original question about the rptr./controller set up I would suggest
> the Kenwood TKR-850 which has everything in one package Contoller,
> CWid, ctcss/dcs, computer programable, etc. and the Kenwood can be
> reprogammed down to the 440 band. GMRS rptrs. are not REQUIRED to
> ID, the GMRS user is, however if the all users operate under a single
> authorization/call sign CWid is allowed. Also, running a beacon type
> messages, voice or CWID, may be construed as non-directed traffic
> (broadcasting) by the FCC. There are many problems aaociated with
> building and installing a repeater including site
> location/acquisition, types of antennas, feed line, and duplexers to
> name a few. I believe you have a pretty good learning curve ahead of
> you. Wher are you located Shady?
>
> Doug N3DAB / WPRX486 / WPJL709
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> > well, first off, assuming your repeater is land based and qualifies
> as a
> > fixed station (they usually do) then your output power is limited
> to 15
> > watts output, CFR Title 47 Part 95.135(d).
> > Gary
> >
> > shady1070 wrote:
> >
> > > I Am looking to put a 40 watt repeater on Gmrs. I Know very
> little
> > > about repeaters. I am looking for something That is Pc
> Programmable
> > > and also my biggest concern is about a controller. I want A Nice
> > > controller that does voice and I want to have the capabilities of
> a
> > > phone patch for later use on 440. How do you connect the
> controller to
> > > a repeater etc.. Can anybody recommend some stuff and help me
> out. I
> > > cann't find anybody locally that can really halp me with this
> project.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>





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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Gmrs Repeater

[Gary]

CFR title 47 is available on the FCC's website for all to view. 95.135(a)
reads " No station may transmit with more than 50 watts output power."
Subpart (d) reads " A fixed station must transmit with no more than 15
watts output power." 95.25 further defines land stations. My suggestion
to the anonymous member is to read the rules and contact the FCC for any
needed clarification as they have the final word.
Gary

n3dab wrote:

> This in response to shady1070's original question and Gary's reponse.
>
> Unless I've been misinformed for the past 30+ years the maximum
> autorized output power for GMRS is 50 watts from the Xmtr.(Base,
> Mobile and Repeater).  There are power limitations on the
> interstitial freqs. but Repeaters are only permitted on the 8
> designated pair $62/467.550 thu .725 in 25 KHz steps.   Re: the
> original question about the rptr./controller set up I would suggest
> the Kenwood TKR-850 which has everything in one package Contoller,
> CWid, ctcss/dcs, computer programable, etc. and the Kenwood can be
> reprogammed down to the 440 band.   GMRS rptrs. are not REQUIRED to
> ID, the GMRS user is, however if the all users operate under a single
> authorization/call sign CWid is allowed.  Also, running a beacon type
> messages, voice or CWID, may be construed as non-directed traffic
> (broadcasting) by the FCC.   There are many problems aaociated with
> building and installing a repeater including site
> location/acquisition, types of antennas, feed line, and duplexers to
> name a few.  I believe you have a pretty good learning curve ahead of
> you.  Wher are you located Shady?
>
> Doug  N3DAB / WPRX486 / WPJL709
>
> --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > well, first off, assuming your repeater is land based and qualifies
> as a
> > fixed station (they usually do) then your output power is limited
> to 15
> > watts output, CFR Title 47 Part 95.135(d).
> > Gary
> >
> > shady1070 wrote:
> >
> > > I Am looking to put a 40 watt repeater on Gmrs.  I Know very
> little
> > > about repeaters.  I am looking for something That is Pc
> Programmable
> > > and also my biggest concern is about a controller.  I want A Nice
> > > controller that does voice and I want to have the capabilities of
> a
> > > phone patch for later use on 440. How do you connect the
> controller to
> > > a repeater etc..  Can anybody recommend some stuff and help me
> out.  I
> > > cann't find anybody locally that can really halp me with this
> project.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Repeater Info Wanted

[russ]

Some folks follow the rules some are like the cb band and do as they want.
 
- Original Message - 
From: "rtoplus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: GMRS Repeater Info Wanted


> On a similar note, I have seen some folks using converted mitrek 
> mobles and also standard MSR2000 repeaters as GMRS repeaters.  
> Unless, like Joe said, they are using an optional 2.5ppm element, 
> they most certainly don't stand up to the GMRS "repeater" criteria.  
> 
> And as to another posters statement that "no" mobiles qualify for 
> repeater useage, take note of the Maxon Enduro series UHF repeater 
> as one example.  It is built out of 2 mobiles with a power supply 
> and a mobile duplexer.  If you check out the specs, it is 
> specifically certificated for part 95 usage.
> 
> Bob, GMRS WPVV845, Amateur KG4WAD, LMRS WPXC892
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 




 
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