a couple of newbie questions

[Maxine Gerber]

I'm evaluating Retrospect for Windows and I have a couple of questions:

1. It appears that there's no way to do a stand-alone verify process (not 
the verify under "tools" which only verifies the integrity of the backup 
set). With most backup software, you can run a separate compare job. This 
is useful if the backup job terminated during the verify step, or if you 
forgot to turn on the verify option. Am I correct that this feature is not 
available with Retrospect?

2. I would like to know what peoples' experiences are with disaster 
recovery using retrospect. I see that it does not have a method for 
restoring using a boot diskette. So, you have to install the operating 
system and then restore? Does that work pretty well? Does the registry get 
restored correctly?

Thanks!

-Maxine 



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Backup problem

[Julian Cowan]

I am attempting to backup a particular volume on a Digital OpenVMS system. I
am using NFS client software on my NT server to mount the volume and I am
running Retrospect Server 1.51.

I am performing a normal backup and all files are being copied and matched
to previous backups perfectly.

A problem occurs when I reboot the VMS system. Retrospect decides to backup
every file again. It seems that Retrospect is not matching the selected
files to the previous backup catalogue properly. Snapshots of previous
sessions confirms that there are not changes to file dates, sizes or names
after the reboot.

Any suggestions welcome.

Regards,
Julian 


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Re: best way to run retrospect with multiple stations on network

[Irena Solomon]

Keep in mind, though, that Retrospect cannot perform two operations
simultaneously, thus there isn't a way to use both cards at the same time.

Regards,

Irena Solomon
Dantz Technical Support
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> Yes, it is possible.  Since the AppleTalk can be on a different
> interface than the TCP/IP, just set the AppleTalk control panel to
> use internal and the TCP/IP to use the card.
> 
>> I was just wondering  - this is just a thought. Would it be possible to have
>> retrospect backing up through two netwrok cards - that is my 7200 has two
>> etherenet cards the n built 10 base and an additional 100 base network -
>> woudl it be possible to have retrospect work through both, backing up the
>> slow appletalk network clients through the 10 base onto tape and the fast
>> 100base etherenet card taking care of my dtp clients straight onto a fast
>> scsi disk drive? Is that possible?
>> 
>> Regards, and thanks
>> David



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Re: best way to run retrospect with multiple stations on network

[matt barkdull]

Yes, it is possible.  Since the AppleTalk can be on a different 
interface than the TCP/IP, just set the AppleTalk control panel to 
use internal and the TCP/IP to use the card.

>I was just wondering  - this is just a thought. Would it be possible to have
>retrospect backing up through two netwrok cards - that is my 7200 has two
>etherenet cards the n built 10 base and an additional 100 base network -
>woudl it be possible to have retrospect work through both, backing up the
>slow appletalk network clients through the 10 base onto tape and the fast
>100base etherenet card taking care of my dtp clients straight onto a fast
>scsi disk drive? Is that possible?
>
>Regards, and thanks
>David



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4.3 Update

[A. Lester Burke]

New to the list so sorry if this has been discussed before,

Has anyone upgrade from 4.2 to 4.3 ?  Did any settings get changed  ?
Has the upgrade proved to be beneficial ?

I maintain a server that backs up about 15 servers so I don't want to
mess with it if it is not really important.  You know



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Re: backing up the "AppleShare PDS" file with Retrospect?

[Gary R. Bernstein]

Not withstanding all of the fine answers that have been posted previous to
mine, check out:

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~dbakkers/ashare_helper/

Among other things, it makes a backup of the pds file, the users and
groups file and monitors the server to make sure it is running. It is
freeware and he has been keeping up it up to date. He just released
version 1.7.1. It's a young application, but it has been running on my
machines for about 3 months. I just downloaded the latest version.



On Fri, 5 Jan 2001, Steve Maser wrote:

> Can this be done?
> 
> I have Retrospect 4.3 running on my ASIP 6.3.x server.  The invisible
> "AppleShare PDS" file is always "open", so it's not getting backed up.
> 
> Anybody know an easy way of backing this file up, short of turning
> the file server off, making a copy of it, then backing up the copy?
> 
> (Or am I missing something in Retrospect that would let me do this?
> I back up other invisible files with no problems.)
> 
> 
> - Steve
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Re: best way to run retrospect with multiple stations on network

[David Chokwenda]

HI,

I am getting 2.1Mb/min on my appletalk network - on this network i have the
2gb i need to backup - and my dtp clients who are running on the 100 base i
was getting about 40mb/min - and here i need to be able to backup 8GB on
this network.

I was just wondering  - this is just a thought. Would it be possible to have
retrospect backing up through two netwrok cards - that is my 7200 has two
etherenet cards the n built 10 base and an additional 100 base network -
woudl it be possible to have retrospect work through both, backing up the
slow appletalk network clients through the 10 base onto tape and the fast
100base etherenet card taking care of my dtp clients straight onto a fast
scsi disk drive? Is that possible?

Regards, and thanks
David

> From: matt barkdull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:53:04 -0900
> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: best way to run retrospect with multiple stations on network
> 
> What are you getting now for the backup times on the local machine?
> 
> That's a pretty good indication of the top speed of your system
> usually.  If the log shows 15MB/Min, just take the total amount
> backed up and divide it by 15MB and you will get the total minutes it
> takes.
> 
> So, for 8-10GB you are talking about 9 to 11 hours to back it up at 15MB/min.
> 
> I'm getting right around 100MB/Min for mine.
> 
> 
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> thanks for your email. Yes its a total of 6-8gb for all dtp machines - i am
>> deliberately forcing my users to keep the required backup files to a limit
>> of 2GB each - so you think that one server should be able to handle all
>> that.
>> 
>> What i was thinking initially was to use the 7200/75 for backing up my
>> appletalk clients onto tape - that is max of 2Gb total overnight an dthen
>> having a another server hadnle the 8gb over the 100base - Dont thik one
>> server could handle both over night or am i wrong?
>> 
>> regards
>> David
> 
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Re: backing up the "AppleShare PDS" file with Retrospect?

[Eric Ullman]

Hi Steve!

Retrospect ignores AppleShare PDS files on purpose. In fact, I don't believe
they will even show up in the browser window when you do a manual file
selection. We ignore them because we keep track of and restore file
privileges separately.

If you MUST back up a PDS file, check out Apple's Tech Info Library article
#16492:

  http://til.info.apple.com/techinfo.nsf/artnum/n16492

I hope this helps!

Eric Ullman
Dantz Development


Steve Maser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can this be done?
> 
> I have Retrospect 4.3 running on my ASIP 6.3.x server.  The invisible
> "AppleShare PDS" file is always "open", so it's not getting backed up.
> 
> Anybody know an easy way of backing this file up, short of turning
> the file server off, making a copy of it, then backing up the copy?
> 
> (Or am I missing something in Retrospect that would let me do this?
> I back up other invisible files with no problems.)



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Re: backing up the "AppleShare PDS" file with Retrospect?

[mark . maytum]

I think as long as the AppleShare server is running when you do your backups, permissions get backed up automatically.  If you ever have to restore an entire ASIP volume, following the Retrospect instructions (you do a second restore for privs.) works just fine.  







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Can this be done?

backing up the "AppleShare PDS" file with Retrospect?

[Steve Maser]

Can this be done?

I have Retrospect 4.3 running on my ASIP 6.3.x server.  The invisible
"AppleShare PDS" file is always "open", so it's not getting backed up.

Anybody know an easy way of backing this file up, short of turning
the file server off, making a copy of it, then backing up the copy?

(Or am I missing something in Retrospect that would let me do this?
I back up other invisible files with no problems.)


- Steve
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RE: Holding disk (feature request)

[Nicholas Froome]

RE: Holding disk 


This is something that can be done now; just run one backup to the holding disk, then 
another from that to tape.

If this two-step process was managed by Retrospect (rather than being done with two 
scripts) it would still have to copy and verify on each pass so there probably 
wouldn't be much speed difference. 

I think the best way of doing it would be to run Backup Server overnight to backup 
clients, then run another Backup Server during the day to tape. That way you can 
juggle the server active times to optimise backup - and be around to swop tapes...


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