Re: how to find Polarization

2006-05-30 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear All,
if I well understood JFC correction is perfect in case of
parallel incident beam; so, in case of conventional
Bragg-Brentano diffractometer, shouldn't it work well only
in case of use of Goebel Mirrors, that get incident beam
exactly parallel?
And is it true that using Goebel Mirrors and sample in
capillary (Debye-Scherrer) gets intensity values more
realistic than on a conventional Bragg-Brentano geometry?
Thanks in advance,
marco






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Re: how to find Polarization

2006-05-30 Thread Larry Finger

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Dear All,
if I well understood JFC correction is perfect in case of
parallel incident beam; so, in case of conventional
Bragg-Brentano diffractometer, shouldn't it work well only
in case of use of Goebel Mirrors, that get incident beam
exactly parallel?
And is it true that using Goebel Mirrors and sample in
capillary (Debye-Scherrer) gets intensity values more
realistic than on a conventional Bragg-Brentano geometry?
Thanks in advance,
marco
  
Not really. The FCJ correction (note the authorship please) was derived 
for the parallel incident beam case, but it works for divergent optics. 
The main difference is that for the parallel beam case, one can measure 
the slit sizes perpendicular to the plane formed by the incident and 
diffracted beams, directly calculate the values for S/L and H/L, and get 
values very close to the best-fit results. For divergent beam optics, 
the effective width is greater than the apparent width. As discussed 
earlier in this list, in the divergent beam case, a set of 0.02 (radian) 
slits will yield refined values of 0.027 for S/L and H/L, not 0.02 as 
predicted from the geometry. In the extreme case, I removed the Soller 
slits on my conventional B-B diffractometer, and could still fit the 
resulting profiles, which were greatly affected by axial divergence. As 
I recall, S/L and H/L were on the order of 0.2! BTW, the intensities 
were increased by roughly a factor of 10. I had to cut the tube power to 
avoid saturating the detector.


Putting your sample in a capillary avoids a lot of sample problems that 
occur with a flat plate; however I'm not sure that I would make the 
blanket statement that you do. That topic should be addressed by someone 
with experience with mirrors.


Larry



Re: how to find Polarization

2006-05-30 Thread Will Bisson
Dear Larry,

When you removed the soller slits leading to increased the axial divergence, which profile function is appropriate to model this, especially at low angle where the asymmetry is very stark?

Kind regards
William
On 30 May 2006, at 16:01, Larry Finger wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear All,
if I well understood JFC correction is perfect in case of
parallel incident beam; so, in case of conventional
Bragg-Brentano diffractometer, shouldn't it work well only
in case of use of Goebel Mirrors, that get incident beam
exactly parallel?
And is it true that using Goebel Mirrors and sample in
capillary (Debye-Scherrer) gets intensity values more
realistic than on a conventional Bragg-Brentano geometry?
Thanks in advance,
marco


Not really. The FCJ correction (note the authorship please) was derived for the parallel incident beam case, but it works for divergent optics. The main difference is that for the parallel beam case, one can measure the slit sizes perpendicular to the plane formed by the incident and diffracted beams, directly calculate the values for S/L and H/L, and get values very close to the best-fit results. For divergent beam optics, the effective width is greater than the apparent width. As discussed earlier in this list, in the divergent beam case, a set of 0.02 (radian) slits will yield refined values of 0.027 for S/L and H/L, not 0.02 as predicted from the geometry. In the extreme case, I removed the Soller slits on my conventional B-B diffractometer, and could still fit the resulting profiles, which were greatly affected by axial divergence. As I recall, S/L and H/L were on the order of 0.2! BTW, the intensities were increased by roughly a factor of 10. I had to cut the tube power to avoid saturating the detector.

Putting your sample in a capillary avoids a lot of sample problems that occur with a flat plate; however I'm not sure that I would make the blanket statement that you do. That topic should be addressed by someone with experience with mirrors.

Larry


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