R-Value SHELX/GSAS

2006-10-17 Thread Friedrich W. Karau

Dear colleagues,

may be, that I have comprehension problem. The Bragg R-value is named R(F**2) in 
GSAS and wR2 in SHELX and defined in the same manner.


when I extract the reflexion intesities using a LeBail fit and write them into a 
hklf6 formatted file, SHELX should refine the structure resulting similar Bragg 
R-values like GSAS. The fact is, the the R-values obtained by SHELX are about 6 
times bigger than the R-values obtained by GSAS. The structure is cubic I, so 
that no overlap of the reflections occurs apart from the multiplicity, that is 
incorporated in the hklf6 file. However the structure refines and converges very 
well in both cases. I have testet refinement with both SHELX and GSAS for a 
hexagonal structure, too, but the result is the same. The R-values obtained by 
SHELX are about 6 times bigger than the R-values obtained by GSAS. What could be 
the reason?


Thank you in advance

Friedrich


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RE: R-Value SHELX/GSAS

2006-10-17 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Dear Friedrich,
There are inequivalent reflections that overlap even in cubic
structures; those where h^2+k^2+l^2 are the same will have identical
d-spacings (e.g. 300  221, 410  322). Check through the list of
reflections to see those that have identical d-spacings; these are also
listed in the Intl. Tables for X-ray Crystallography Vol II (red book) p
125ff. A LeBail refinement will partition the intensity in some way
(probably equally) that is not likely to be what the real ratio is. 2nd
point is name given by SHELX to that R-value, wR2, implies some use of a
weight. The R(F**2) in GSAS is not weighted. Why this all results in a
factor of six; I guess I'm a bit surprised.
Best,
Bob Von Dreele

R.B. Von Dreele
IPNS Division
Argonne National Laboratory
Argonne, IL 60439-4814



-Original Message-
From: Friedrich W. Karau [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:15 AM
To: rietveld_l@ill.fr
Subject: R-Value SHELX/GSAS


Dear colleagues,

may be, that I have comprehension problem. The Bragg R-value is named
R(F**2) in 
GSAS and wR2 in SHELX and defined in the same manner.

when I extract the reflexion intesities using a LeBail fit and write
them into a 
hklf6 formatted file, SHELX should refine the structure resulting
similar Bragg 
R-values like GSAS. The fact is, the the R-values obtained by SHELX are
about 6 
times bigger than the R-values obtained by GSAS. The structure is cubic
I, so 
that no overlap of the reflections occurs apart from the multiplicity,
that is 
incorporated in the hklf6 file. However the structure refines and
converges very 
well in both cases. I have testet refinement with both SHELX and GSAS
for a 
hexagonal structure, too, but the result is the same. The R-values
obtained by 
SHELX are about 6 times bigger than the R-values obtained by GSAS. What
could be 
the reason?

Thank you in advance

Friedrich



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+
+ AK-Schnick  Tel.: (+49) (0)89 - 2180-77449
+
+ LMU - Muenchen mobil: 0179 6647667
+
+ Department Chemie u. Biochemie   Fax: (+49) (0)89 - 2180-77440
+
+ Butenandtstrasse 5-13(D) URL:
www.cup.uni-muenchen.de/ac/schnick +
+ D-81377 Muenchen
+