Re: Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-08-31 Thread Larry Finger

On 8/31/19 9:44 AM, Ahmed Subrati wrote:

Dear all,

I wanted to ask how three atoms, sharing the same xyz position, could be refined 
in terms of their occupancies /via /FullProf. We know that for the case of two 
atoms, the first atom is set as 11.0 and the second one as -11.0 so that their 
sum is unity, but how would be the case for three atoms.


It does not matter what program you use. If you have X-ray data, and were to 
normalize the scattering curve for each type of atom by dividing by the atomic 
number, the curves would very nearly overlap. The minute differences would be 
the only information allowing you to determine those occupancies uniquely. If 
you merely constrain the sum of the occupancies, and the composition of the 
sample, the results will converge to nonsense results because the errors in the 
data would overwhelm those small differences.


If you had neutron scattering data, then you might be able to do it, depending 
on how different the scattering for the 3 types of nuclei.


Your only possibility is to add additional constraints. Perhaps average bond 
lengths will provide such information, or there may be other information 
available for your material. In any case, the diffraction data will not be 
sufficient for Reitveld, or single-crystal data.


Larry
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Simultaneous refinement of multiple atoms sharing same site

2019-08-31 Thread Ahmed Subrati
Dear all,

I wanted to ask how three atoms, sharing the same xyz position, could be 
refined in terms of their occupancies via FullProf. We know that for the case 
of two atoms, the first atom is set as 11.0 and the second one as -11.0 so that 
their sum is unity, but how would be the case for three atoms.

Thank you very much.

King regards,
Ahmed Subrati
PhD student
NanoBioMedical Centre | Adam Mickiewicz University in Poznan, Poland
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