Re: Bragg R and GSAS

2004-02-26 Thread Von Dreele, Robert B.
Nandini,
I suggest you look at the paper Rietveld refinement guidelines, J. Appl. Cryst. 
(1999) 32, 36-50.
Bob Von Dreele


-Original Message-
From: Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 8:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Thank you.
In parallel with single crystal analysis, is there an
accepted limit for R(F2) or any other parameter like
Rexp to follow? I'm using synchrotron data.
nandini


--- Von Dreele, Robert B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Nandini,
 GSAS gives R(F^2) which is sometimes defined for
 single crystal structure analysis. It can be used in
 the same way as RBragg. Neither is statistically
 related to the minimization process in a Rietveld
 least squares refinement, but can be a useful
 diagnostic for the quality of the structural fit to
 the reflection intensities.
 Bob Von Dreele
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma
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 Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 5:15 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
 Hi All,
 
 How important is Rbragg in powder data structure
 solution? Does GSAS suit give this parameter?
 
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Re: Bragg R and GSAS

2004-02-26 Thread Kurt Leinenweber
I tend to use bond lengths to check refinements.  If bond lengths - and
thermal parameters too - aren't physically reasonable, it can mean that the
structure is correct but the refinement is bad, that the structure is
somehow wrong, or the atom assignments are wrong.

Bond-valence sums are great for this purpose.  I use Eutax by Mike O'Keeffe
for this, but there are many other programs for bond-valence sums as well.

Philosophically, though, I sometimes get disturbed by the fact that the
structure has to agree with what we already know in order to be published.
It might be better not to think about this too much when doing
crystallography.

- Kurt


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-Original Message-
From: Jon Wright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


In comparing refinements with different powder datasets there is no
number of observations in common usage and no 10:1 rule of thumb.
Broadly, this means crappy data with a chemically unreasonable model
can sometimes give much better figures of merit than a good structure
with good data.

Sad, isn't it?

Jon


Von Dreele, Robert B. wrote:

Nandini,
I suggest you look at the paper Rietveld refinement guidelines, J. Appl.
Cryst. (1999) 32, 36-50.
Bob Von Dreele


-Original Message-
From: Nandini Devi Radhamonyamma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thu 2/26/2004 8:38 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you.
In parallel with single crystal analysis, is there an
accepted limit for R(F2) or any other parameter like
Rexp to follow? I'm using synchrotron data.
nandini