RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Julian Richard Tolchard]

I bought Leister Mini a couple of years ago. It is a complete system (excluding 
an air supply) for around 2500 CHF purchased here. It doesn't blow a lot of hot 
air, but more than enough to heat up a capillary. The TC is not particularly 
sophisticated either, and i don't think has the option of external control (i 
could be wrong on that though). But it does a good job for a cheap all-in-one 
unit.

I also looked at these 
http://www.sylvania.com/en-us/products/air-heaters/process-air-heaters/Pages/series-i-ii-iii.aspx,
 but then a separate TC is needed.

One thing i did notice when i was looking was that getting above 800C the 
choices thin out a lot, and the Cyberstar is the only one i found that goes 
over 900C.


jools



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Sent: 03 July 2015 13:02
To: Radovan Cerny
Cc: SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr; Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
Subject: RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers


I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted - only 
two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller - or just 
the hot air ?

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On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, "Radovan Cerny" 
mailto:radovan.ce...@unige.ch>> wrote:
Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the 
Rietveld list :)

On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB …

I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise.

Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs …


Radovan Cerny
Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP
Université de Genève
24, quai Ernest-Ansermet
CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch<mailto:radovan.ce...@unige.ch>
URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm

De : alan.he...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com> 
[mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com<mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com>] De la part de Alan 
Hewat
Envoyé : vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15
À : Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
Cc : SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr<mailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr>
Objet : Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers


2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to 
work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs.

_
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mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> 
+33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_
On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" 
mailto:yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be>> wrote:
Hello Simon,

we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le 
Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, 
and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the 
protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be 
calibrated.

Best regards,
Yaroslav



Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:

Dear All,

Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )

We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their 
flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become 
prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?

best wishes,

Simon

--
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European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
71 Avenue des Martyrs,
38000 Grenoble,
France.
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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[SAJ Kimber]

> I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted -
> only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller
> - or just the hot air ?
>

Thanks for all the responses so far- reminds me why I love this list,
informative and entertaining all in one place : )



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> _
> On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, "Radovan Cerny"  wrote:
>
>>  Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate
>> on the Rietveld list J
>>
>>
>>
>> On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB …
>>
>>
>>
>> I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and
>> precise.
>>
>>
>>
>> Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs
>> …
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Radovan Cerny
>>
>> Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP
>>
>> Université de Genève
>>
>> 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet
>>
>> CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
>>
>> Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
>>
>> mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch
>>
>> URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :* alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] *De la part de*
>> Alan Hewat
>> *Envoyé :* vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15
>> *À :* Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
>> *Cc :* SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr
>> *Objet :* Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
>>
>>
>>
>> 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will
>> want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That
>> also costs.
>>
>> _
>>   From my mobile telephone
>>  Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE
>>  +33.476.98.41.68
>>   http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
>> _
>>
>> On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" <
>> yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Simon,
>>
>> we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called
>> Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000
>> CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows
>> the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to
>> be calibrated.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yaroslav
>>
>>
>>
>> Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )
>>
>> We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their
>> flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become
>> prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?
>>
>> best wishes,
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --
>> -
>> Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
>> European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
>> 71 Avenue des Martyrs,
>> 38000 Grenoble,
>> France.
>> 0033 (0)47688 2773
>>
>>
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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Fauth Francois]

Hi

Complaining about the cost of small French companies (or even large 
international companies :-) is not appropriate on the Rietveld list.




in particular in this case since the air blower designed by the "small" 
french company  can only be purchased through  the 'big" company which 
got the license



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On 7/3/2015 11:17 AM, Alan Hewat wrote:

I think Simon is simply asking for recommendations of hot air blowers.

Complaining about the cost of small French companies (or even large 
international companies :-) is not appropriate on the Rietveld list.


Alan.

On 3 July 2015 at 10:38, SAJ Kimber > wrote:


Dear All,

Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can
help  : )

We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF
for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar
seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a
competing supplier?

best wishes,

Simon

-- 
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European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
71 Avenue des Martyrs,
38000 Grenoble,
France.
0033 (0)47688 2773

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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL]

Title: Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers


It is a complete system.

Yaroslav


Friday, July 3, 2015, 1:02:55 PM, you wrote:









I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted - only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller - or just the hot air ?
_
  From my mobile telephone
 Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE 
 +33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_ 
On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, "Radovan Cerny" <radovan.ce...@unige.ch> wrote:
Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the Rietveld list J
 
On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB …
 
I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise. 
 
Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs …
 
 
Radovan Cerny              
Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP
Université de Genève    
24, quai Ernest-Ansermet              
CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland                            
Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch
URL    : http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm
 
De : alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] De la part de Alan Hewat
Envoyé : vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15
À : Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
Cc : SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr
Objet : Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
 
2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs.
_
  From my mobile telephone
 Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE 
<alan.he...@neutronoptics.com> +33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_
On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" <yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be> wrote:
Hello Simon,

we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated.

Best regards,
Yaroslav



Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:








Dear All, 

Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )

We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?

best wishes, 

Simon

-- 
-
Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 
71 Avenue des Martyrs, 
38000 Grenoble, 
France.
0033 (0)47688 2773


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RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Alan Hewat]

I was not complaining about the cost, just questioning what was quoted -
only two thousand CHF ? Does that include a precise temperature controller
- or just the hot air ?

_
  From my mobile telephone
 Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE
 +33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_
On 3 Jul 2015 12:52, "Radovan Cerny"  wrote:

>  Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate
> on the Rietveld list J
>
>
>
> On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB …
>
>
>
> I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and
> precise.
>
>
>
> Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs …
>
>
>
>
>
> Radovan Cerny
>
> Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP
>
> Université de Genève
>
> 24, quai Ernest-Ansermet
>
> CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
>
> Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
>
> mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch
>
> URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm
>
>
>
> *De :* alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] *De la part de*
> Alan Hewat
> *Envoyé :* vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15
> *À :* Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
> *Cc :* SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr
> *Objet :* Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers
>
>
>
> 2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will
> want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That
> also costs.
>
> _
>   From my mobile telephone
>  Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE
>  +33.476.98.41.68
>   http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
> _
>
> On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" <
> yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be> wrote:
>
> Hello Simon,
>
> we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called
> Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000
> CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows
> the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to
> be calibrated.
>
> Best regards,
> Yaroslav
>
>
>
> Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )
>
> We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their
> flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become
> prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?
>
> best wishes,
>
> Simon
>
> --
> -
> Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
> European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
> 71 Avenue des Martyrs,
> 38000 Grenoble,
> France.
> 0033 (0)47688 2773
>
>
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RE: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Radovan Cerny]

Complaining about the cost of small Swiss companies is not appropriate on the 
Rietveld list ☺

On Facebook it would be automatically censored by BB …

I have the same heater, and once you calibrate it is quite stable and precise.

Destroying the samples is more expensive in the industry than in our labs …


Radovan Cerny
Laboratoire de Cristallographie, DQMP
Université de Genève
24, quai Ernest-Ansermet
CH-1211 Geneva 4, Switzerland
Phone  : [+[41] 22] 37 964 50, FAX : [+[41] 22] 37 961 08
mailto : radovan.ce...@unige.ch
URL: http://www.unige.ch/sciences/crystal/cerny/rcerny.htm

De : alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] De la part de Alan Hewat
Envoyé : vendredi 3 juillet 2015 12:15
À : Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL
Cc : SAJ Kimber; rietveld_l@ill.fr
Objet : Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers


2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will want to 
work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That also costs.

_
  From my mobile telephone
 Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE
mailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com>> 
+33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_
On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" 
mailto:yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be>> wrote:
Hello Simon,

we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le 
Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, 
and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the 
protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be 
calibrated.

Best regards,
Yaroslav



Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:

Dear All,

Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )

We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their 
flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become 
prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?

best wishes,

Simon

--
-
Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
71 Avenue des Martyrs,
38000 Grenoble,
France.
0033 (0)47688 2773


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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Alan Hewat]

2000 CHF? Precise temperature control is essential since often you will
want to work near transitions where you risk destroying your sample. That
also costs.

_
  From my mobile telephone
 Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE
 +33.476.98.41.68
  http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat
_
On 3 Jul 2015 11:38, "Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL" <
yaroslav.filinc...@uclouvain.be> wrote:

>  Hello Simon,
>
> we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called
> Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000
> CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows
> the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to
> be calibrated.
>
> Best regards,
> Yaroslav
>
>
>
> Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:
>
>
>
>   Dear All,
>
> Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )
>
> We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their
> flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become
> prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?
>
> best wishes,
>
> Simon
>
> --
> -
> Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
> European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
> 71 Avenue des Martyrs,
> 38000 Grenoble,
> France.
> 0033 (0)47688 2773
>
>
>
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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Yaroslav Filinchuk UCL]

Title: Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers


Hello Simon,

we are successfully using a programmable hot air blower (25-750°C) called Le Mini Sensor Kit 800, from the Swiss company Leister. It costs about 2000 CHF, and is aimed at the industrial use. It allows to do ramps, it follows the protocol very closely, but the temperatures and real ramp rates have to be calibrated.

Best regards,
Yaroslav



Friday, July 3, 2015, 10:38:50 AM, you wrote:









Dear All, 

Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )

We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?

best wishes, 

Simon

-- 
-
Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
European Synchrotron Radiation Facility, 
71 Avenue des Martyrs, 
38000 Grenoble, 
France.
0033 (0)47688 2773




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Re: Cyberstar hot air blowers

[Alan Hewat]

I think Simon is simply asking for recommendations of hot air blowers.

Complaining about the cost of small French companies (or even large
international companies :-) is not appropriate on the Rietveld list.

Alan.

On 3 July 2015 at 10:38, SAJ Kimber  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Sorry not a direct Rietveld question, but I hope somebody can help  : )
>
> We often use high temperature (RT - 1000 C) gas blowers at ESRF for their
> flexibility and low background. Those made by Cyberstar seem to have become
> prohibitively expensive. Does anyone know of a competing supplier?
>
> best wishes,
>
> Simon
>
> --
> -
> Dr. Simon A.J. Kimber
> European Synchrotron Radiation Facility,
> 71 Avenue des Martyrs,
> 38000 Grenoble,
> France.
> 0033 (0)47688 2773
>
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