Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge
what's going on, Alan? Are you getting older and disappointed through attachments and other misachievements of life? I really don't hope so, because, for me, I eagerly follow the rietveld list and I think that many more people actually does so! chears Miguel --- michele gregorkiewitz Dip Scienze Fisiche, della Terra e dell'Ambiente Università di Siena via Laterina 8, I-53100 Siena gre...@unisi.it, +39'0577'233810 Il 2015-05-08 18:06 Alan Hewat ha scritto: I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services [1] Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ DR ALAN HEWAT, NEUTRONOPTICS, GRENOBLE, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat [2] __ Links: -- [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services [2] http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge
Hi~, Although I am out of the track to do chemistry for now, I am still happy to be in the list to feel a chemist. And the patterns are same for me with just small bit of Zero shift. I am curious what they made out of it. CJ On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Leopoldo Suescun leopo...@fq.edu.uy wrote: Dear colleagues, I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. With so many advanced pieces of equipment for powder diffraction data collection spread all over the world and so many nice pieces of software written to handle (and interpret) powder diffraction data I was truly astonished to see the attached capture of a figure containing powder patterns ready to be published next September 2015 in a reputable international peer-reviewed journal that usually publishes x-ray data, as a proof of phase purity for x0.4 samples... It´s truly unimportant what is the journal or who are the authors (I can provide the reference if anyone wants it, though), but could anyone think any interesting conclusions can be extracted from samples characterized in this way? Are there referees ready to accept these patterns as proof of anything? Shouldn´t the IUCr take action and try to influence the journals that frequently publish x-ray data (as a complementary characterization technique but that determines the validity of other results) to have well-trained crystallographers review any article that contains x-ray diffraction data? This is not the first time I face this kind of powder patterns in the published literature, that´s why I worry more and more every day. With best regards, Leo -- Dr. Leopoldo Suescun Prof. Agr (Assoc. Prof.) de Física Tel: (+598) 29290705/29249859 Cryssmat-Lab./DETEMA Fax: (+598) 29241906* Facultad de Quimica, Universidad de la Republica ,_. | \ | v- ,' \ | ( \__Montevideo, Uruguay En pleno disfrute del Año Internacional de la Cristalografía 2014 ( http://www.iycr2014.org ), (http://www.cristalografia2014.fq.edu.uy) ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? - Kurt From: alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:07 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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On 05/08/2015 11:16 AM, Kurt Leinenweber wrote: Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? -Kurt Thus writes the guy whose mailer blindly attaches a message footer rather than in-lining a signature. :) Although I no longer practice crystallography, and no longer read the literature, I do find the discussions here of interest. At least I can follow how little crystallography the average solid-state researcher actually knows. Sad to know that bugs in a few programs could completely derail the science. All the greats of the early part of the 20th century must be really spinning in their graves! Larry ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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I also agree that it serves a purpose, even though it is much quieter compared to when i first joined many years ago. I would not want to see it closed down, as there are questions coming up from time to time that would be very hard to get answered anywhere else. As Kurt suggests – why not just block attachments at the mail server? jools From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [mailto:rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] On Behalf Of Kurt Leinenweber Sent: 8. mai 2015 18:17 To: Alan Hewat; Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: RE: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? - Kurt From: alan.he...@gmail.commailto:alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:07 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.frmailto:rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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My personal observation only of course – I’ve seen that a lot of “entry level” questions are met with incredibly snarky comments which I find very off-putting. The participants on this site should welcome all questions – it’s an opportunity to teach, not ridicule. Bill Reese From: alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:07 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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I too enjoy reading the discussions that emerge every now and then in this group, and I hope to see more of them in the future. Speaking of that, could you change my e-mail to arto.oj...@gmail.com? My employment ended and with it, the mail account will be gone soon as well. Regards, Arto From: rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr [rietveld_l-requ...@ill.fr] on behalf of Kurt Leinenweber [ku...@asu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 6:16 PM To: Alan Hewat; Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: RE: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? - Kurt From: alan.he...@gmail.com [mailto:alan.he...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hewat Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:07 AM To: Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE alan.he...@neutronoptics.commailto:alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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As a to-be postdoc, I'm really grateful for the existence of this list and so many kind experts involved in the discussion. Simply put, my PhD thesis can not be finished without this list. I still read the posts. Thank you so much Alan for maintaining such a nice community. Enyuan On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Alan Hewat alan.he...@neutronoptics.com wrote: I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ * Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE * alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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hear hear! I second Larry's motion of practice what you preach :) Personally, I read and follow all posts and find this message board entertaining if nothing else. But to discuss the original topic of this thread, the diffractograms look like they were hand drawn. Not to contribute to the ridicule that was suggested earlier, but the images presented in the sinful attachment are remarkably sub-standard and, IMHO, represent nothing more than a lazy disconnection from the pride that comes with presenting meaningful scientific data. Kirk ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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Hi all, In my defense, 10 of the 12 messages relating to this topic have had their footers attached. I will try to figure out how to get rid of it for next time. Here is a topic I am interested in: we are collecting a lot of data on an imaging plate (GSECARS and HPCAT at Advanced Photon Source). We are interested in splitting of peaks in some of the samples. The splitting is very difficult to see on the integrated pattern, but very easy to see on the 2-D imaging plate frame itself. The rings are spotty and it's very easy to tell which spots are in which ring when the peak is slightly split. My question is whether there is software I can use to take advantage of this and fit the spots so I can get a better resolution of the splitting. Something in between powder and single crystal. Thank you, - Kurt -Original Message- From: Larry Finger [mailto:larry.fin...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finger Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:58 AM To: Kurt Leinenweber; Alan Hewat; Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge On 05/08/2015 11:16 AM, Kurt Leinenweber wrote: Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? -Kurt Thus writes the guy whose mailer blindly attaches a message footer rather than in-lining a signature. :) Although I no longer practice crystallography, and no longer read the literature, I do find the discussions here of interest. At least I can follow how little crystallography the average solid-state researcher actually knows. Sad to know that bugs in a few programs could completely derail the science. All the greats of the early part of the 20th century must be really spinning in their graves! Larry ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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P.S. When the splitting arises from a phase transition, sometimes we see what we call snowmen or pairs of spots that are split between the two rings. I interpret these as twins arising from the phase transition. Has anyone seen these types of pairs of spots before? I think there is a lot of information there that we are passing up if we don't learn to interpret it. Hi all, In my defense, 10 of the 12 messages relating to this topic have had their footers attached. I will try to figure out how to get rid of it for next time. Here is a topic I am interested in: we are collecting a lot of data on an imaging plate (GSECARS and HPCAT at Advanced Photon Source). We are interested in splitting of peaks in some of the samples. The splitting is very difficult to see on the integrated pattern, but very easy to see on the 2-D imaging plate frame itself. The rings are spotty and it's very easy to tell which spots are in which ring when the peak is slightly split. My question is whether there is software I can use to take advantage of this and fit the spots so I can get a better resolution of the splitting. Something in between powder and single crystal. Thank you, - Kurt ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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I only get to read these mails as a humble operator of the IUCr website, but I really enjoy the discussions - please don't stop them! Robert Gould Tel.UK: +44 (0)131 667 7230 or +44 (0)796 040 3872 Canada: +1 519 387 8223 On 08/05/2015 17:06, Alan Hewat wrote: I apologize in advance for attaching a file but I cannot share my astonishment without it. that´s why I worry more and more every day. And I worry that people are still attaching files to the whole list when they are explicitly asked not too. Most papers are on-line now, so just give a link to the paper. Or post your file to a free file sharing service - see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_hosting_services Anyone who still posts files to the whole list is automatically suspended for 1 week. Actually, I worry that the Rietveld list no longer serves a useful purpose. There are few interesting discussions, and apparently few people actually read the posts. Alan __ * Dr Alan Hewat, NeutronOptics, Grenoble, FRANCE * alan.he...@neutronoptics.com +33.476.98.41.68 http://www.NeutronOptics.com/hewat __ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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Hi Kurt Maybe the paper by Bridget Ingham would be of interest: Statistical measures of spotiness in diffraction rings. Just an idea. Matthew Hi all, In my defense, 10 of the 12 messages relating to this topic have had their footers attached. I will try to figure out how to get rid of it for next time. Here is a topic I am interested in: we are collecting a lot of data on an imaging plate (GSECARS and HPCAT at Advanced Photon Source). We are interested in splitting of peaks in some of the samples. The splitting is very difficult to see on the integrated pattern, but very easy to see on the 2-D imaging plate frame itself. The rings are spotty and it's very easy to tell which spots are in which ring when the peak is slightly split. My question is whether there is software I can use to take advantage of this and fit the spots so I can get a better resolution of the splitting. Something in between powder and single crystal. Thank you, - Kurt -Original Message- From: Larry Finger [mailto:larry.fin...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finger Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:58 AM To: Kurt Leinenweber; Alan Hewat; Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge On 05/08/2015 11:16 AM, Kurt Leinenweber wrote: Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? -Kurt Thus writes the guy whose mailer blindly attaches a message footer rather than in-lining a signature. :) Although I no longer practice crystallography, and no longer read the literature, I do find the discussions here of interest. At least I can follow how little crystallography the average solid-state researcher actually knows. Sad to know that bugs in a few programs could completely derail the science. All the greats of the early part of the 20th century must be really spinning in their graves! Larry ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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Dear Kurt, You can peaksearch the images with any number of packages and then look at the extracted spot positions. The stuff we wrote lives at http://sourceforge.net/projects/fable/ and it is normally used to fit grain-by-grain strain tensors. If you can isolate the spots you do indeed get a large improvement in resolution (centre of mass versus width is typically a factor of 10). If you can rotate the sample and collect a full data set you can process them all as single crystals. There is a blob searching algorithm in pyFAI which pulls out the peak positions out for you in the course of doing calibrations (github.com/kif/pyFAI). In keeping with the subject line: is it a regress or progress to go back to using single crystals instead of powders? There is a rumour going around (http://dx.doi.org/10.1107/S2052252515004017) that the days of powder diffraction may be numbered :-) Best, Jon On 08/05/2015 23:29, Kurt Leinenweber wrote: P.S. When the splitting arises from a phase transition, sometimes we see what we call snowmen or pairs of spots that are split between the two rings. I interpret these as twins arising from the phase transition. Has anyone seen these types of pairs of spots before? I think there is a lot of information there that we are passing up if we don't learn to interpret it. Hi all, In my defense, 10 of the 12 messages relating to this topic have had their footers attached. I will try to figure out how to get rid of it for next time. Here is a topic I am interested in: we are collecting a lot of data on an imaging plate (GSECARS and HPCAT at Advanced Photon Source). We are interested in splitting of peaks in some of the samples. The splitting is very difficult to see on the integrated pattern, but very easy to see on the 2-D imaging plate frame itself. The rings are spotty and it's very easy to tell which spots are in which ring when the peak is slightly split. My question is whether there is software I can use to take advantage of this and fit the spots so I can get a better resolution of the splitting. Something in between powder and single crystal. Thank you, - Kurt ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
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Seems like that figure is out of content! In phase transformation and a high time resolution studies you will come across something like that. On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 3:46 AM, Matthew Rowles rowle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kurt Maybe the paper by Bridget Ingham would be of interest: Statistical measures of spotiness in diffraction rings. Just an idea. Matthew Hi all, In my defense, 10 of the 12 messages relating to this topic have had their footers attached. I will try to figure out how to get rid of it for next time. Here is a topic I am interested in: we are collecting a lot of data on an imaging plate (GSECARS and HPCAT at Advanced Photon Source). We are interested in splitting of peaks in some of the samples. The splitting is very difficult to see on the integrated pattern, but very easy to see on the 2-D imaging plate frame itself. The rings are spotty and it's very easy to tell which spots are in which ring when the peak is slightly split. My question is whether there is software I can use to take advantage of this and fit the spots so I can get a better resolution of the splitting. Something in between powder and single crystal. Thank you, - Kurt -Original Message- From: Larry Finger [mailto:larry.fin...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Larry Finger Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 9:58 AM To: Kurt Leinenweber; Alan Hewat; Leopoldo Suescun Cc: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Re: regress in crystallographic good practices and knowledge On 05/08/2015 11:16 AM, Kurt Leinenweber wrote: Hi Alan, I still like the Rietveld list and do read all the posts. Is it possible to block attachments so that people can’t attach files any more? -Kurt Thus writes the guy whose mailer blindly attaches a message footer rather than in-lining a signature. :) Although I no longer practice crystallography, and no longer read the literature, I do find the discussions here of interest. At least I can follow how little crystallography the average solid-state researcher actually knows. Sad to know that bugs in a few programs could completely derail the science. All the greats of the early part of the 20th century must be really spinning in their graves! Larry ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++ -- Sincerely ++ Please do NOT attach files to the whole list alan.he...@neutronoptics.com Send commands to lists...@ill.fr eg: HELP as the subject with no body text The Rietveld_L list archive is on http://www.mail-archive.com/rietveld_l@ill.fr/ ++
