Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Hi Keith, sounds great! Can you update the wiki page with the ideas you wrote in this mail. Can be interesting for the plugins for other IDEs too. On 3-dec-05, at 18:56, Keith Lea wrote: On Dec 2, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Pazu wrote: Coool! I'm actively looking into making X-develop more intelligent for RIFE and provide code hyper-linking in between files. I just spent 2 weeks with Eclipse exclusively to try it out thoroughly and I switched back to X-develop today. Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applications with IDEA. Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. If we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? I've actually started writing a plugin for IDEA. The first order of business is plugging RIFE site structure into the Ctrl+N "go to class" popup (see http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/ navigation.html), so I can type ctrl+n and then a URL of my site (like /account/edit-links), to jump to that element declaration. Future plans include - completion, ctrl+click navigation, and error-highlighting of values and blocks in things like Template.setValue calls. - actions like "go to template" and "go to element declaration" and "go to element implementation" and "go to site", which will allow quick navigation from, for example, an Element class, to the template(s) it uses ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba "Use what you need" Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Hey Keith, I don't know if you've seen this: http://www.uwyn.com/pipermail/rife-users/2005-December/018999.html Geert created a page for rife IDE support on the wiki, so maybe you can add your info there. cheers, Emmanuel On 12/3/05, Keith Lea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 2, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Pazu wrote: > > >> Coool! I'm actively looking into making X-develop more intelligent > >> for RIFE and provide code hyper-linking in between files. I just > >> spent 2 weeks with Eclipse exclusively to try it out thoroughly and I > >> switched back to X-develop today. > > > > Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to > > happen to make > > me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I > > remember Keith Lea > > planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE > > applications with IDEA. > > > > Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations > > and > > vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it > > currently is. If > > we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god > > forgive me, > > Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* > > something. > > Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? > > I've actually started writing a plugin for IDEA. The first order of > business is plugging RIFE site structure into the Ctrl+N "go to > class" popup (see http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/ > navigation.html), so I can type ctrl+n and then a URL of my site > (like /account/edit-links), to jump to that element declaration. > > Future plans include > - completion, ctrl+click navigation, and error-highlighting of values > and blocks in things like Template.setValue calls. > - actions like "go to template" and "go to element declaration" and > "go to element implementation" and "go to site", which will allow > quick navigation from, for example, an Element class, to the template > (s) it uses > ___ > Rife-users mailing list > Rife-users@uwyn.com > http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users > ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
On Dec 2, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Pazu wrote: Coool! I'm actively looking into making X-develop more intelligent for RIFE and provide code hyper-linking in between files. I just spent 2 weeks with Eclipse exclusively to try it out thoroughly and I switched back to X-develop today. Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applications with IDEA. Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. If we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? I've actually started writing a plugin for IDEA. The first order of business is plugging RIFE site structure into the Ctrl+N "go to class" popup (see http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/ navigation.html), so I can type ctrl+n and then a URL of my site (like /account/edit-links), to jump to that element declaration. Future plans include - completion, ctrl+click navigation, and error-highlighting of values and blocks in things like Template.setValue calls. - actions like "go to template" and "go to element declaration" and "go to element implementation" and "go to site", which will allow quick navigation from, for example, an Element class, to the template (s) it uses ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Geert Bevin wrote: >>> Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important >>> things >>> for me: >>> * fully customizable code formatting >> >> >> Jalopy :-) Yes, there is. But I've never used it personally. I'm happy with the code formatting features of NetBeans -- I tend to follow Sun's conventions. > I don't want to learn how to write your own refactoring engine just to > say that all my member variables are prefixed with the 'm' character. > Doesn't sound easy to me ;-) True. > The most important parts for me are: > * highlighting of the template tags > * code hyper-linking in between different file type > - click on a template name in the element -> go to the template > - click on includes in a template -> go to the included template > - click on the element declaration in the site structure > - click on subsites > - click on element implementations > * intelligent structure views > - view all element declarations that use a particular implementation > - template inclusion inheritance > * a bunch of very easy to use live templates > > What do you think? Sound valid to me, but then I'm so used to my IDE that I can do these tasks very quickly. Eddy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important things for me: * fully customizable code formatting Jalopy :-) Is there a plugin for it? * customization of bean properties with prefixes (so that getters and setters are correctly generated) True, but generation of getters and setters is done using the refactoring engine. (Geert has a blog entry explaining how to write your own refactoring.) I don't want to learn how to write your own refactoring engine just to say that all my member variables are prefixed with the 'm' character. Doesn't sound easy to me ;-) It seems that NetBeans is really trying to get people to develop plugins and they show an example of Wicket there. Maybe you an look into creating a RIFE plugin ;-) NetBeans works out of the box for me :-) But frankly, I don't see what more a NetBeans plugin would do for RIFE development that it doesn't already. The most important parts for me are: * highlighting of the template tags * code hyper-linking in between different file type - click on a template name in the element -> go to the template - click on includes in a template -> go to the included template - click on the element declaration in the site structure - click on subsites - click on element implementations * intelligent structure views - view all element declarations that use a particular implementation - template inclusion inheritance * a bunch of very easy to use live templates What do you think? Geert -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba "Use what you need" Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Geert Bevin wrote: > I agree up to a certain point ;-) > > Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important things > for me: > * fully customizable code formatting Jalopy :-) > * customization of bean properties with prefixes (so that getters and > setters are correctly generated) True, but generation of getters and setters is done using the refactoring engine. (Geert has a blog entry explaining how to write your own refactoring.) > I like NetBeans better than IDEA actually. > > This might interest you: > http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/geertjan? > entry=making_life_even_easier_for I'm a regular reader already :-) > It seems that NetBeans is really trying to get people to develop > plugins and they show an example of Wicket there. Maybe you an look > into creating a RIFE plugin ;-) NetBeans works out of the box for me :-) But frankly, I don't see what more a NetBeans plugin would do for RIFE development that it doesn't already. Eddy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works well as a RIFE IDE? :-) Because you're the only one that uses it? ;-) I tried NetBeans, but I find it a bit too primitive for my liking. It looks good though and the graph lib looks promising. The simpler, the better :-) I agree up to a certain point ;-) Anyway, I like NetBeans but it misses a couple of very important things for me: * fully customizable code formatting * customization of bean properties with prefixes (so that getters and setters are correctly generated) I like NetBeans better than IDEA actually. This might interest you: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/geertjan? entry=making_life_even_easier_for It seems that NetBeans is really trying to get people to develop plugins and they show an example of Wicket there. Maybe you an look into creating a RIFE plugin ;-) -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba "Use what you need" Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Geert Bevin wrote: Yeah, you can do that with IDEA and Eclipse too. Sadly X-develop has no intelligent support for XML yet :-( I begged for it again today ;-) I use JEdit for XML editing and do everything else in X-develop. I, too, have asked for a bit more on the XML side. John -- == John Moore - Norwich, UK - [EMAIL PROTECTED] == ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Geert Bevin wrote: >> Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works >> well as a RIFE IDE? :-) > > > Because you're the only one that uses it? ;-) > > I tried NetBeans, but I find it a bit too primitive for my liking. It > looks good though and the graph lib looks promising. The simpler, the better :-) Eddy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
On 2-dec-05, at 20:30, Eddy Young wrote: Pazu wrote: Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applications with IDEA. Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. If we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works well as a RIFE IDE? :-) Because you're the only one that uses it? ;-) I tried NetBeans, but I find it a bit too primitive for my liking. It looks good though and the graph lib looks promising. Seriously, I use NetBeans 5 Beta 2 daily. The way I integrate RIFE is by creating a library via the Library Manager to reference the JAR file, then register the DTDs in the XML catalogue. This way, I get auto-complete when writing my implementation and declaring rep/sites/elements. Yeah, you can do that with IDEA and Eclipse too. Sadly X-develop has no intelligent support for XML yet :-( I begged for it again today ;-) As a sidenote, I was looking at the code for Bamboo today. Out of curiosity, I checked web.xml and was pleased to see only one entry: the RIFE filter. This is a pleasant change from other web frameworks that seem to litter web.xml. Yeah, that was one of the initial ideas: setup everything for your application in the same consistent way for any servlet container. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba "Use what you need" Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Pazu wrote: > Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to > make > me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith > Lea > planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE > applications with IDEA. > > Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and > vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. > If > we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, > Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. > Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? Why is there no mention of NetBeans? Is that because it already works well as a RIFE IDE? :-) Seriously, I use NetBeans 5 Beta 2 daily. The way I integrate RIFE is by creating a library via the Library Manager to reference the JAR file, then register the DTDs in the XML catalogue. This way, I get auto-complete when writing my implementation and declaring rep/sites/elements. As a sidenote, I was looking at the code for Bamboo today. Out of curiosity, I checked web.xml and was pleased to see only one entry: the RIFE filter. This is a pleasant change from other web frameworks that seem to litter web.xml. Good work, Geert and others. Eddy ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
I might look into doing the Eclipse one. +1 Pierre ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
Re: [Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... IDEA irritates me actually more than Eclipse. I don't see what it offers that makes people rave so much about it. We have free open- source licenses for RIFE development and each time I try it, I stop. I used to use IDEA before CodeGuide though. Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applications with IDEA. Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. If we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? I'll definitely develop the X-develop one, I just got the docs from Omnicore to do so. I might look into doing the Eclipse one. -- Geert Bevin Uwyn bvba "Use what you need" Avenue de Scailmont 34 http://www.uwyn.com 7170 Manage, Belgium gbevin[remove] at uwyn dot comTel +32 64 84 80 03 PGP Fingerprint : 4E21 6399 CD9E A384 6619 719A C8F4 D40D 309F D6A9 Public PGP key : available at servers pgp.mit.edu, wwwkeys.pgp.net ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
[Rife-users] Re: Excel spreadsheets as responses
> Coool! I'm actively looking into making X-develop more intelligent > for RIFE and provide code hyper-linking in between files. I just > spent 2 weeks with Eclipse exclusively to try it out thoroughly and I > switched back to X-develop today. Compared to Eclipse, X-Develop is cool indeed. A lot more has to happen to make me switch from IDEA, thou... Speaking about IDEA and RIFE, I remember Keith Lea planning to write some sort of plugin to ease the development of RIFE applications with IDEA. Things like navigation from element declarations to implementations and vice-versa would really make development a lot more fun than it currently is. If we (RIFE users) could develop plugins for IDEA, X-Develop, and god forgive me, Eclipse with the same set of functionality, that would be *really* something. Keith, are you there? Do your plans still stand up? -- Marcus Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Rife-users mailing list Rife-users@uwyn.com http://www.uwyn.com/mailman/listinfo/rife-users
