Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Greatest Hits album with embedded single covers
Hm, but embedding the artwork in the file should give it higher priority for the track than the album cover --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110204 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] LMS 7.8 wimp flac server decoding
Yea, probably the usual trouble with PCM: no way to tell the player in time what kind of stream it is. Rule#1: if you want your system to work without trouble, don't stream PCM, it's not a suitable format for streaming. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103133 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] LMS 7.8 wimp flac server decoding
You still get excess load and if anything goes wrong the player is unlikely to recover and will break off playback. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103133 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] LMS 7.8 wimp flac server decoding
Ehen the server decodes local files it knows the format upfront and can tell the player. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103133 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Streaming remote flacs and transcoding
I don't think LMS supports transcoding of streams to PCM, only to FLAC or MP3. It's usually a bit confusing because it's supported for local files but not remote streams. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102639 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Streaming remote flacs and transcoding
You can't, that's what I meant. I believe the problem is that for a remote stream you might not know the parameters (bitrate, wordsize) in advance and since with PCM you can't communicate them in the stream it won't work. PCM just sucks for streaming. I wouldn't use it, causes nothing but trouble, --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102639 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Streaming remote flacs and transcoding
I believe the convert.conf file types don't apply to remote streams. If a stream format is not supported by a client, LMS tries to convert to a format that _is_ supported but I believe it always assumes mp3 and FLAC have to be supported so that's what's being used. It might be possible to use PCM if you disable FLAC altogether (it might get used if the client doesn't support FLAC and lame is not enabled) but I remember it caused some trouble because the client then has to rely on the format given in the protocol. Usually, there are two ways how the stream format (sample rate, sample size) gets communicated to the client: through slimproto and through the stream itself. slimproto is asynchronous to the stream so can run into timing issues with remote streams. It's not an issue with files because LMS can always look up the file information before starting to stream, but for a remote stream it only knows about it when the data actually comes in. So usually for a remote stream the format is transmitted with the stream itself. That doesn't work with PCM, though, because PCM is just raw data, it doesn't allow you to transfer any meta-information like the stream format. So the player has to guess and sometimes it guesses wrongly so wherever possible it's better to use a format like FLAC that _does_ allow communicating parameters in the stream container so that's what's being used wherever possible. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102639 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Streaming remote flacs and transcoding
That's interesting, so I was wrong and LMS _does_ use the convert.conf settings for streams, too? --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 8, the Universal App for iOS 7 and iOS 8* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102639 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] problems transcoding Peter Gabriel's Courage from Apple Lossless
Have you tried to play it on a Touch without transcoding? Does that work, too? These MPEG-containers can be nasty at times, maybe it's a problem with that? --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and *New: Logitech UE Smart Radio* as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=100389 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Lyrics. What am I doing wrong?
Did you do a rescan on your library (in Settings-General in the web interface)? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96828 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Lyrics. What am I doing wrong?
Hm. Interesting. I have no idea what could cause this but what I would do is install the SongInfo/SongLyrics plugins: http://penguinlovesmusic.de/ipeng-the-iphone-skin-for-squeezecenter/how-to-use-the-ipeng-application/known-issues/lyrics-in-ipeng/ The article is written for iPeng but it's the same for the Squeezebox alone, you just have to access the Lyrics through the context menus then (like you do now). pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96828 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Lyrics. What am I doing wrong?
Well, the plugin is completely separate, it loads Lyrics automatically off the internet. I suspect the problem is either that the scanner doesn't read/process Lyrics from FLAC correctly or that it uses a different tag name But I don't know how it's supposed to work, maybe http://wiki.slimdevices.com knows more... pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96828 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Transcoding mechanism
The device tells the server which formats it supports and the server will... * Send natively whatever the player supports natively * Transcode to FLAC everything the player does not support natively (plus all uncompressed formats) * Transcode to mp3 whenever bitrate limiting is on. The one thing I'm not sure about is what happens if you've got a, say, AAC format that has a bitrate below the limit and the player supports AAC. I believe it would stay untouched then, but I'm not sure. * if the server doesn't understand the format (e.g. AAC or ALAC on some platforms) but the player does, it will be sent untouched. Not sure about ALAC, though, for which native playback is turned off by default in convert.conf (commented out) Resampling is a different story and has additional limitations: * if your player doesn't support the sample rate of your material, it will be re-sampled and sent as FLAC, unless bitrate limiting applies * if you sync several players and one of them doesn't support the sample rate, the sample rate gets converted and the same stream is being sent to all players. * if the server doesn't understand the format, obviously no sample rate conversion applies but that only affects ALAC IMHO. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96785 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Transcoding mechanism
It's in the SlimProto documentation. CLI is for controllers, not players. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96785 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Transcoding FLAC/MP3 to Ogg
Ok, add my 2cts here, too. Looking at my library and transcoding results again I'm now pretty sure that gapless simply doesn't work perfectly with mp3, at least I can't get it to work here. And it's not an iPeng thing, it's exactly the same on my SBs. Works fine with AAC and FLAC, did not try ogg, but to find a way to transcode to ogg sounds like a good idea under these circumstances. From an iPeng mobile use perspective AAC would be even better since then the iPhone would use the hardware (DSP) decoder which probably saves a bit of power but then that might be more difficult to get done cross platform. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, iPeng for iPad and *New: iPeng Party, the free party App*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94421 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Sorting problem
Ignored articles? -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90661 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Album sorting help please
Hey, finally something where you could benefit from the way iPeng handles things :) (it's default is to sort albums below an artist by artist, year, album - which boils down to year, album of course) and it has both sorting alternatives for the whole list permanently available (Albums is sorted by Album name and Artists-All Albums is sorted by Artist, Year, Album) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83495 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] hi-res ALAC files show up as 16-bit on Squeezebox v3 (SB3)
I believe that for transcoded streams iPeng and SqueezePlay show the transcoded format in the NowPlaying context menu (probably not in the file info) -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81694 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] hi-res ALAC files show up as 16-bit on Squeezebox v3 (SB3)
Phil Leigh;574455 Wrote: The Touch Now Playing Context Menu shows the file as 24/192... (not 24/96 which is what it is being transcoded to) Yes, you are right... Or actually: I don't have any ALAC but if I play AAC on an SB3 (which is also being transcoded) I see the original file's parameters and under Bitrate I get 256 kBit VBR (transcoded to 705 kBit FLAC). This is in iPeng and SqueezePlay. It's SBS 7.6, though, maybe this is SBS version dependent. I'll also try some HD flac... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81694 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] hi-res ALAC files show up as 16-bit on Squeezebox v3 (SB3)
Ok, same thing. Info for the original file along with the transcoded bitrate. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81694 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Has this been an expensive mistake ?
Sounds pretty similar to my first experience with a Mac (I wrote a similar comment back then). Maybe mine was a bit worse because at the time Leopard was new and very, very unstable, I experienced several OS crashes a day, something that did not happen to Windows at the time. I think one thing you are experiencing is this common misconception that on the Mac _everything_ would be better than on Windows - something that's simply not the case but if you listen to Apple fanboys you get the impression it would be the case. Plus, you probably know Windows better so find your way more easily on that system. After a while you'll see that some things work better and some things work less well than on Windows. On your issues: 1. Do yourself a favor and get a decent keyboard. I never came over the missing Delete key and actually the bigger (and cheaper) keyboards have it. 2. On applications: Actually that MSMoney thing is one I experienced, too, and one of three for which I did not find a _good_ replacement. Forgot the name of the software I use now (can look it up, it's only on another machine), it works but isn't particularly good. 3. The other software was graphics and subversion. OK, if you want to spend a lot of money you can get Photoshop. Or you can use Gimp which is not Mac-like at all. I use PhotoLine which is OK but still confuses me from time to time. For subversion I now only use the command line tool. Apart from that I found software availability on the Mac to be actually quite good and if you need a lot of network or development stuff you'll learn that it's actually easier to find things than for Windows because a lot of Unix stuff will work on Mac. From a total-cost-of-ownership point of view I now believe Mac is cheaper than Win because a lot of SW is cheaper and the Mac comes with some applications you need separate software for on Windows: - Mail. Apple Mail may have less functionality than Outlook but from a usability point of view it beats all other mail clients I have used dead in the water. What did I swear at Thunderbird during my Windows days... - iPhoto. There simply isn't something like this on the PC. Picasa gets close but is smuch harder to use. And on Audio (your real issue). It's not true that the Mac doesn't support flac. iTunes doesn't but that's about it. iTunes sucks anyway and it doesn't support FLAC on Windows, too. Get VLC and FLAC and you are done. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76376 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Please don't kill the messenger !
There's at least one quite common flaw in the test: They did not ask the right question! They CLAIMED to find out whether people can tell the two formats apart and what they TESTED was what people liked better! The latter has much more to do with hearing habits, mood, whatever and even for compression creating heavy artifacts can still get you the same result, simply by having 50% of your people like the mp3 more than the original. Remember: The people weren't asked to compare to the original. The correct way to do this test would have been: - have an original source, e.g. an uncompressed PCM file - play this stream and the compressed one in parallel, that is, with the same timing and volume - let people switch between the two, back and forth, to compare - ask only whether they can tell the two apart. If then NOT significantly more than 50% of your listeners can tell you which was the lossless and which one the lossy format, you can state that they are equal. sounds better doesn't count. I definitely believe Massive Attack's remix of Paul Weller's Wild Wood sounds better than the original version yet it's undoubtedly further away. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71536 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Please don't kill the messenger !
bluegaspode;486766 Wrote: But isn't 'what sounds best' the REAL question that matters in the end (after all other arguments/questions have been discussed) ? They just took the shortcut. No, it's not, because of the other points I mentioned. It's subjective and depends on many factors. It's a question for the design of your overall audio system, not for the compression standard. The compression standard has to be as authentic as possible. If you prefer artifacts - fine, add them in your audio systems. But you friend may have a different view and if you want to fit all, preserve what's originally been there. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71536 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/ripping
Re: [SlimDevices: Ripping] Apple wants to patent a 'slim' device!
Does anybody know WHEN they filed this patent? Technically, iPeng is doing this already now (it downloads the playlist first, the it's stored on the iPod, and the you can playback stuff), but it's almost certain to have been ready only AFTER Apple filed this patent. Also, there are a few solutions that came out for iPhone already last year which technically allow you to do this, so maybe these will be prior art, too. OH, and BTW, Apple did also patent the remote... -- pippin --- see iPeng at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50994 ___ ripping mailing list ripping@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
