Re: [RDD] Howto 'Legal copy' 'logger' continous recording...
Hi This might be a option: https://www.aelius.com/njh/rotter/ Kind regards Stan On 30/5/21 7:15 pm, Alejandro Olivan Alvarez wrote: Hi list! ... I'm blowing my mind out of this, pretty standard radio automation feature (AFAIK systems): A continuous, segmented, in 'Library' , recording of aired audio as means of 'legal copy' To my knowledge, this is a 'pro' feature on automation systems, and not all or 'lite' versions lack it and depend on an external tool for the task... My bet is Rivendell can do it! Rivendell has no dedicated continuous / legal copy GUI module, OK, but has a dedicated record event in RDCatch that can also be triggered by RML, also there are host variables to play with ... Sure, I can do this 'externally' using many approaches: cron/systemd timers , ffmpeg/liquidsoap/rotter , Dropbox/rdimport ... but, I guess, there has to be an elegant way of doing this using Rivendells modules, since, usually, users are not system programmers. What puzzles me (maybe I'm really missing something big!) is that recording within RDCatch/RML implies having an already created cart/cut... no way of targeting a cart and let cuts be spawned there, but, even If I use a cart for every piece of recording, I need to have a card for it... Sure, this could, theoretically be achieved 'brute forcibly' , I mean, having let's say, one year of hourly cart/cuts pre-created, and the corresponding monstrous amount of rdcatch events manually created, but that wouldn't be neither clever nor elegant! ... How are you approaching these guys? Can I add some 'logic' or expression within RML to dynamically target a certain cart/cut? How could I, for a very simple example, tell Rivendell to maintain 365 carts with 24 cuts each of recordings? or is it that, simply, Legal Copy / 'Logger' feature was (is) outside business logic on Rivendell's design? Best regrads!! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Spound Panel question
Hi, The first you plays goes on the first play output. If you play a second one, before the end of the first one, it will play on the second output etc... If you choose the same play output, they all will play on the same one. JM Le 30/05/2021 à 18:32, Rob Landry a écrit : On RD 2.19.3, in rdadmin, in Manage Hosts, in rdairplay: The Sound Panel outputs are defined as "Sound Panel First Play Output", Sound Panel Second Play Output", "Sound Panel Third Play Outout", etc. What do those correspond to? Is it columns 1, 2, 3, etc? Rows 1, 2, 3, etc? Panels S1, S2, S3, etc? Or something else? I'd like some Sound Panel buttons to play out of card 0, output 0, but others out of card 0, output 1; however the Operations Guide doesn't make it clear which outputs correspond to which Sound Penels or buttons. Rob -- Не думай что всё пропели, Что бури все отгремели; Готовься к великой цели, А слава тебя найдёт. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Spound Panel question
Hi Rob I've not tried in Rivendell 3x, But in Rivendell 2x The sound panel playout numbers refer to the first button pushed ,,, plays out of one card... then if that button is still active a second button push will play out of the next sound card... Sometimes having multiple soundcard playouts can be used for crossfading etc. At my station we used to play the main log out of alternating soundcards... because thats what we used to do with our old master control system. I could see that as handy in some stations but it wasn't necessary in ours. I hope this helps you. Many thanks Geoff Barkman On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 4:32 AM Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote: > > On RD 2.19.3, in rdadmin, in Manage Hosts, in rdairplay: > > The Sound Panel outputs are defined as "Sound Panel First Play Output", > Sound Panel Second Play Output", "Sound Panel Third Play Outout", etc. > > What do those correspond to? Is it columns 1, 2, 3, etc? Rows 1, 2, 3, > etc? Panels S1, S2, S3, etc? Or something else? > > I'd like some Sound Panel buttons to play out of card 0, output 0, but > others out of card 0, output 1; however the Operations Guide doesn't make > it clear which outputs correspond to which Sound Penels or buttons. > > > Rob > > -- > Не думай что всё пропели, > Что бури все отгремели; > Готовься к великой цели, > А слава тебя найдёт. > ___ > Rivendell-dev mailing list > Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org > http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev > ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
[RDD] Spound Panel question
On RD 2.19.3, in rdadmin, in Manage Hosts, in rdairplay: The Sound Panel outputs are defined as "Sound Panel First Play Output", Sound Panel Second Play Output", "Sound Panel Third Play Outout", etc. What do those correspond to? Is it columns 1, 2, 3, etc? Rows 1, 2, 3, etc? Panels S1, S2, S3, etc? Or something else? I'd like some Sound Panel buttons to play out of card 0, output 0, but others out of card 0, output 1; however the Operations Guide doesn't make it clear which outputs correspond to which Sound Penels or buttons. Rob -- Не думай что всё пропели, Что бури все отгремели; Готовься к великой цели, А слава тебя найдёт. ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Howto 'Legal copy' 'logger' continous recording...
I ran into this in my previous position. Two issues. First, was recording our satellite channels for various compliance and troubleshooting purposes. We needed multiple channels logged with the ability to go to a specific date/time and channel to review or copy. The requirement was for multiple users to be able to access the audio. After looking at a variety of options, we used a multi-channel logging recorder similar to that used for public safety (911) centers and air traffic control facilities. It was essentially a rack mount Linux computer with two 8-channel audio cards and a really big hard drive. The software was all proprietary and the audio cards were custom, so it was very expensive ($18K, IIRC), but did the job nicely. The second issue was the need to record various broadcast TV networks for talk show hosts. If the host heard something interesting on a show or news, they wanted an audio clip to use in their program. There were ten stations of interest. This was a low priority minimal budget project. And had to be very simple for the end users. I ultimately used three Rivendell machines built from surplus computers with M-Audio cards. Two machines had three audio inputs, one had four. These were all fed from a bank of DirectTV satellite receivers that also fed our in-house CATV system. Using RDCatch, each channel was recorded in 30 minute segments, 48 recordings per channel per day. This covered a week, then overwrote the files. We did not need to keep anything over a week old. I had a series of scripts run by cron that took the recorded .wav files, converted them to .mp3, and posted them to a web page. If a show host was watching TV and heard something he wanted, he told his producer "I heard Bob say something at 9:15 on Fox. Be sure I have it for my morning show." The producer would go to the website, download the 9 o'clock segment, open it in Audacity, clip out the desired audio, import it into the show automation (Enco) and assign it to a screen button for the host to use on the air. Might be a bit clunky, but it was cheap (I don't think I had more than $1500 in the whole thing) and reliable. The whole thing ran unattended or messed with for several years. While it took a while to set up, RDCatch handled the hundreds of record events without problem. Just some ideas. Michael Alejandro Olivan Alvarez wrote on 5/30/21 4:15 AM: Hi list! ... I'm blowing my mind out of this, pretty standard radio automation feature (AFAIK systems): A continuous, segmented, in 'Library' , recording of aired audio as means of 'legal copy' To my knowledge, this is a 'pro' feature on automation systems, and not all or 'lite' versions lack it and depend on an external tool for the task... My bet is Rivendell can do it! Rivendell has no dedicated continuous / legal copy GUI module, OK, but has a dedicated record event in RDCatch that can also be triggered by RML, also there are host variables to play with ... Sure, I can do this 'externally' using many approaches: cron/systemd timers , ffmpeg/liquidsoap/rotter , Dropbox/rdimport ... but, I guess, there has to be an elegant way of doing this using Rivendells modules, since, usually, users are not system programmers. What puzzles me (maybe I'm really missing something big!) is that recording within RDCatch/RML implies having an already created cart/cut... no way of targeting a cart and let cuts be spawned there, but, even If I use a cart for every piece of recording, I need to have a card for it... Sure, this could, theoretically be achieved 'brute forcibly' , I mean, having let's say, one year of hourly cart/cuts pre-created, and the corresponding monstrous amount of rdcatch events manually created, but that wouldn't be neither clever nor elegant! ... How are you approaching these guys? Can I add some 'logic' or expression within RML to dynamically target a certain cart/cut? How could I, for a very simple example, tell Rivendell to maintain 365 carts with 24 cuts each of recordings? or is it that, simply, Legal Copy / 'Logger' feature was (is) outside business logic on Rivendell's design? Best regrads!! ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
Re: [RDD] Howto 'Legal copy' 'logger' continous recording...
On May 30, 2021, at 07:15, Alejandro Olivan Alvarez wrote: > Hi list! ... I'm blowing my mind out of this, pretty standard radio > automation feature (AFAIK systems): A continuous, segmented, in 'Library' , > recording of aired audio as means of 'legal copy' To my knowledge, this is a > 'pro' feature on automation systems, and not all or 'lite' versions lack it > and depend on an external tool for the task... My bet is Rivendell can do it! It can, but not particularly easily. My own take on this has always been that the classic ‘audio logger’ is out-of-scope for Rivendell; the principal reason being that the primary purpose of a ‘logger’ is to keep track of some particular process (in this case, proper on-air play-out) so as to provide useful data for tracking down anomalies. That being the case, the logger should ideally reside in an entirely separate and independent system from the one being logged, otherwise anomalies in the logged system will tend to contaminate the data captured in the integrated logger as well. Cheers! |-| | Frederick F. Gleason, Jr. | Chief Developer | | | Paravel Systems | |-| | A room without books is like a body without a soul. | | | | -- Cicero | |-| ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/mailman/listinfo/rivendell-dev
