[RDD] RDCatch Wildcard Question(s)

[Alan Smith]

What is the difference between %V and %W?

Also, is there a difference between a broadcast week and an ISO week?  
I've researched the subject, but its blowing up my brain.


The root of the issue is I am trying to set up an automated download via 
RDCatch, but the provider uses broadcast weeks in their filename.  If I 
put the URL in without wildcards it works fine.  I plug in the wildcards 
and I'm getting invalid URL.


Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Automated Library Ingest

[Alan Smith]

Thanks everyone.

I have not used RD's dropbox feature yet, but I didn't consider RDCatch 
can pull files locally, and looks like going through the manual didn't 
know it could do smb either.  I use RDCatch, but have only used it for 
http and ftp so far.


Thanks, this is exactly what I needed!

-Alan

On 8/10/2021 5:14 PM, Mark Murdock wrote:

Won't RDCatch do this for you? RDCatch gets almost all of our program files for 
us, mostly via ftp downloads, but some are transferred from local folders. If 
the syndicated show has a consistent file naming convention it should be easy 
to set this up. I found the manual here:

http://38.100.3.69/

Here's an example of a URL line from one program RDCatch ingests for us every 
day:

file:///home/rd/program_import/%m_%d_%Y_LU.mp3


Mark Murdock
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90 E. 16th St.
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(209) 723-1015
m...@celebrationradio.com
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 1:53 PM
To: Alan Smith ; User discussion about the Rivendell Radio 
Automation System 
Subject: Re: [RDD] Automated Library Ingest

Greetings Alan,

On 8/10/21 1:06 PM, you wrote:

Hello group...

     Is there a way to have RD automatically ingest audio?

Specifically, wanting to know if its possible to have Synchronicity (a
proprietary content downloading app) say save the downloaded content
to a folder on RD, and have it automatically import it to the library.

We are wanting to fully automate a syndicated show that uses
Synchronicity basically in the same way that you would with http or
ftp downloads.

Thanks!


I think the tool you are looking for is the Rivendell dropbox (not to be 
confused with the similarly named cloud service).

Search the internet or the wiki (http://wiki.rivendellaudio.org/) for references to 
Rivendell dropboxes. For a quick start on your machine(s), go to RDAdmin > Manage 
Hosts > [host name] > Dropboxes

And for the complete reference visit
http://opsguide.rivendellaudio.org/html/sect.rdadmin.manage_hosts.html#sect.rdadmin.manage_hosts.configuring_dropboxes

Hope this helps!

~David Klann



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[RDD] Automated Library Ingest

[Alan Smith]

Hello group...

  Is there a way to have RD automatically ingest audio?

Specifically, wanting to know if its possible to have Synchronicity (a 
proprietary content downloading app) say save the downloaded content to 
a folder on RD, and have it automatically import it to the library.


We are wanting to fully automate a syndicated show that uses 
Synchronicity basically in the same way that you would with http or ftp 
downloads.


Thanks!


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] CentOS 8 short-lived, only rolling versions after that

[Alan Smith]

Wow.  I thought that 'upstream' was Fedora's job...

What about the possibility of using scientific linux?  Think I read 
somewhere it is 100% binary compatible...


-Alan

On 12/8/2020 6:46 PM, Mike Carroll wrote:
Well this will make future work on Rivendell a wee bit harder... From 
the CentOS blog:


The future of the CentOS Project is CentOS Stream, and over the
next year we’ll be shifting focus from CentOS Linux, the rebuild
of Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), to CentOS Stream, which tracks
just ahead of a current RHEL release. CentOS Linux 8, as a rebuild
of RHEL 8, will end at the end of 2021. CentOS Stream continues
after that date, serving as the upstream (development) branch of
Red Hat Enterprise Linux. 

https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ 



Not a popular decision, going by the comments on the post.

Mike

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Re: [RDD] Web api documentation?

[Alan Smith]

If you decide to go this route and you have never done this before let 
me know.  They (AT or Comcast) will need to 'port' your existing phone 
numbers from the current provider unless you want all new business line 
numbers


-Alan

On 4/22/2020 11:28 AM, Lathem Gibson wrote:

Hi All,

I'm looking for a copy of the web_api.pdf that folks have mentioned on 
this mailing list.  I'm running an older system on Debian that was 
installed from prebuilt packages, so it apparently wasn't included.  
Is there a place where I can just download the pdf directly?



Thanks!

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Re: [RDD] Help wanted: Rivendell Video Playing

[Alan Smith]

Gmeant to add that although it will stream to icecast, its not 
native in the app-its done through the custom ffmpeg output.


-Alan

On 3/6/2020 1:05 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for one or more people willing to set up a 3.x Rivendell 
system to play videos. (I will help with the install.)


I am looking for basic user feedback if that is all you feel up to.

I am also looking for someone to discuss ideas and alternatives with 
as well.


Please let me know if you are interested.

all the best,

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Re: [RDD] Help wanted: Rivendell Video Playing

[Alan Smith]

Let me throw out an alternative if it will make life a little easier:

OBS Studio

Its open source, available for Win, Linux, and Mac.  It will stream to 
most of the major platforms: Facebook, Youtube, Twitch, twitter, etc.  
Will even stream to icecast in MPEG or WebM.


The good news is its pretty neat, you can have multiple cams, static or 
dynamic overlays, etc.  The bad news is its more of a video encoder and 
not so much an automation system.  However, with VLC installed, you can 
create VLC playlists as a source in OBS, so you can sorta get automation 
out of it, albeit in a crude fashion.


I hope it helps,

-Alan

etcOn 3/6/2020 1:05 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Hello,

I am looking for one or more people willing to set up a 3.x Rivendell 
system to play videos. (I will help with the install.)


I am looking for basic user feedback if that is all you feel up to.

I am also looking for someone to discuss ideas and alternatives with 
as well.


Please let me know if you are interested.

all the best,

drew
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Alan Smith]

1) Besides Time compression you get:
2) Hardware encode/decode, offloading the workload from the CPU (not 
really an advantage anymore with today's modern processors)

3) Balanced Audio I/Os
4) Multi-Output on a single card.

Really 2 isn't a big deal.  There are other cards that provide 
multi-balanced outs, so 3 & 4 isn't a big deal either.


Personally, I still prefer ASI cards, and usually scan ebay once in 
while to pick up one on the cheap.


Again, personal opinion, but I still prefer internal cards to external 
ones, though each has some advantages.


My first preference would be ASI, my second goto was the Delta 1010 
[long out of production], but there doesn't seem to be an equivalent on 
the market, not counting USB/Firewire interfaces.  I have ZERO 
experience with USB/Firewire external units.  Maybe the tech has matured 
with them?


-Alan

On 2/28/2020 7:46 AM, Frank Christel wrote:

I’m stunned. I thought native MP2 playback would be a stumbling block in our 
adoption of Rivendell.

NPR and PRX content comes to us as MP2 files. Simian requires ASI cards for MP2 
playback and Public Radio Tulsa has purchased a couple of dozen over the years.

Arguably, they’re the best cards for professional broadcasters. But their cost 
has limited the number of editing and traffic workstations.

And for the potential of playing MP2s on “Rivenberries” as John Penovich calls 
them? Pure icing on the cake.

— Chester mentions time compression as an ASI card advantage. For what other 
reasons would one choose an ASI card over a less expensive sound card for use 
with Rivendell?

— What other sound cards or USB audio interfaces play well with Linux?

Frank Christel

(FWIW: A few decades ago, Skip Pizzi of NPR assembled a cadre of music 
directors, program directors, engineers, and managers to choose the encoding 
standard for with the new NPR digital satellite system. A/B listening tests 
were held over a couple of days in Kansas City, I think. I was there with my 
trusty Sony 7506 ‘phones. 128 kbps MP2 mono and 256 kbps MP2 stereo emerged as 
the winners. That was surprising, because even back then the codec was 
considered old. Even though MP2 isn't terribly efficient, it did the least 
damage and reduced the bitstream enough permit multiple digital channels to be 
sent through a transponder. It’s still the NPR standard today.)

_

On 2/27/2020, at 4:50 PM, Chester Graham  wrote:

Rivendell decodes mp2 files just fine, we store in that format and playout over 
an icecast stream without any problems.

IF you want the advanced features of Rivendell like time compress to fit a 
certain time length etc, you need the ASI cards.
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Alan Smith]

My last reply should have read "ASI not required to play MP3 or MP2 
Audio"...


On 2/27/2020 6:02 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember...

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell 
mailto:telw...@pilotproductions.net>> 
wrote:


Hi Frank,

ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a
number of
years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent
expired. MP2
should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact
version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).

For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored
in a
wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet,
but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a
specific
use case I have.


IIRC, we had it running on a Pi and the files were stored as MP2.wav

It has been a long time since that machine was powered up though so I 
may have mis-remembered something. Still worth a quick experiment on 
that Pi.



Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this
will
help you a little.


all the best,

drew


Tim

On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:
> Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
>
>  From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home
page: "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG
Layer 2 support requires the use of select sound cards available
from AudioScience Inc.).”
>
> (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows,
too.)
>
> Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is
MP2 processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded
to an external sound card?
>
> Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without
first converting the files to WAV?
>
> Frank Christel
>
> __
>
> On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason mailto:fr...@paravelsystems.com>> wrote:
>
> ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version.
For CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and
4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX
or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange colored mu-metal
shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers,
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out
which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones
with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
>
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Re: [RDD] 3.x and asi cards.

[Alan Smith]

I could be wrong, but I seem to remember asking an almost similar 
question when I first started with Rivendell.


It is my understanding that you do not need ASI cards to play either mp3 
or mp3 cards.  You might have needed them 'back in the day', but these 
days I believe ASI cards only gets you the following features:


Time Scaled Audio.
Hardware MPEG encode/decode.

Thats about it.  Hardware encode/decode shouldn't be an issue-todays 
processors are more than capable of doing the job in realtime with 
plenty of 'horsepower' left to spare.  Now it *might* be the hardware 
encode/decoding produces better quality results, I'm not sure though.  I 
know in the video side of things hardware decoding/encoding>software.  
May not apply to audio though???


-Alan

On 2/27/2020 6:02 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Well, I have been thinking further and trying to remember...

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 6:10 PM Timothy Elwell 
mailto:telw...@pilotproductions.net>> 
wrote:


Hi Frank,

ASI cards should only required for MP3. MP2's patent expired a
number of
years ago and was added to Rivendell as soon as the patent
expired. MP2
should be usable on any recent RD system (I don't remember the exact
version it was added, but I know it's worked well for me on v2+).

For the format it stored in, as I understand it, the MP2 is stored
in a
wav container, not as a wav format. I haven't tried it with a Pi yet,
but have been working on that build to try MP2 on the Pi for a
specific
use case I have.


IIRC, we had it running on a Pi and the files were stored as MP2.wav

It has been a long time since that machine was powered up though so I 
may have mis-remembered something. Still worth a quick experiment on 
that Pi.



Others are more informative than I am, I know. But hopefully this
will
help you a little.


all the best,

drew


Tim

On 2/27/20 4:43 PM, Frank Christel wrote:
> Noob question: why are ASI cards required to play MP2 files?
>
>  From the “Features and Benefits” list on the Rivendell home
page: "Support for both PCM16 and MPEG Layer 2 audio formats (MPEG
Layer 2 support requires the use of select sound cards available
from AudioScience Inc.).”
>
> (ASI cards are required by BSI’s Simian to play MP2s on Windows,
too.)
>
> Is the MP2 format so old there are no software decoders? Or is
MP2 processing so intensive in real time that it must be offloaded
to an external sound card?
>
> Is there a way for a RasPi Rivendale node to play MP2s without
first converting the files to WAV?
>
> Frank Christel
>
> __
>
> On 2/26/2020, at 5:49 PM, Fred Gleason mailto:fr...@paravelsystems.com>> wrote:
>
> ...Not all ASI cards are supported in any given driver version.
For CentOS 7 setups, we provide three, v4.13.0, v4.20.10 and
4.20.21 (with v4.20.21 being installed by default). Any ASI-5XXX
or ASI-6XXX card (the ones with the orange colored mu-metal
shields) should be able to work with one of those drivers,
although sometimes some experimentation is required to find out
which driver does the trick… That said, ASI-4XXX cards (the ones
with the blue mu-metal shields) are NOT supported in Rivendell at all.
>
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Re: [RDD] RDImport and Disk Space

[Alan Smith]

Again, still consider myself very new to this, but what I have started 
to do is use Raid1, and setup postfix to send email/text failure 
notifications.


I haven't had a real failure yet, but during testing (including 
simulated failure on the bench) it works pretty well.


-Alan

On 11/30/2019 6:47 PM, Rob Landry wrote:

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019, Lorne Tyndale wrote:


That's overall good advice, the only things I'd add is that I'm not a
big fan of Raid 5, I prefer Raid 1 which provides as full 1:1 mirror for
better redundancy and robustness.  When hard disks cost a lot I could


I don't like RAID at all. I prefer to build a second, fully 
functioning RD machine and have it mirror the first one. If I lose the 
first one, I switch to the backup.


My problem with RAID boils down to the reality that most of the RD 
systems I build are for stations with no resident technical person. If 
a drive in a RAID array fails, no one will notice. I'll hear about it 
when a second drive fails and the station goes off the air.



Rob


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Re: [RDD] RDImport

[Alan Smith]

Totally ignorant here, just trying to help.

Can't parted/gparted move/resize the partitions easily?

Again, coming from a place of total ignorance, but on Winders machines, 
I often use knoppix to manipulate drive partitions/do data recovery.


-Alan

On 11/27/2019 12:24 PM, Cowboy wrote:

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:19:39 -0700
"Lorne Tyndale"  wrote:


Your problem is clear from the lines:


/dev/mapper/centos-home  1.4T  4.5G  1.4T   1% /home
/dev/mapper/centos-root   50G   50G   39M 100% /

  Yep !


You have 1.4TB allocated to /home (where you've only used 4.5GB of that
1.4TB), but only 50GB allocated to your root of /

/var/snd is a folder off /  so for sure it'll run out of space quickly.

  CentOS is not very fixable in this regard.
  The philosophy seems to be to blow everything away and start over.
  If you can, then do that.

  What *I* would do, ( a little "Cowboy" engineering ) I would create
  a directory /home/snd then copy everything from /var/snd into it.
  Very non-standard, but it'll work.

  Once that's done, delete ( yep, delete ) /var/snd altogether.
  rmdir /var/snd

  Now link the 1.4T /home/snd partition in place.
  You can't make hard links across systems, so
  ln -s /home/snd /var/snd

  Check the permissions on /home/snd
  /var/snd being a symlink is going to show incorrectly, but the files
  that are apparently in it will show correctly.



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Re: [RDD] Now and Next

[Alan Smith]

I have noticed the same behavior on RD 2.19.3 I believe it is.  I don't 
really know how to help in your situation, but maybe can point you in 
the right direction?  I think its a bug.


From what I can tell it happens when 3 items are playing simultaneously 
from RDAirplay (such as 2 songs overlapping with a liner on top of 
them).  Since there are only two "decks" one of them gets updated twice.


In my case, icecast getting updated twice isn't a big deal, but I log 
the titles elsewhere for reporting.


Since I am a windows guy (dos really) I wrote a batch file using ncat to 
"listen" for updates from Rivendell.  Among other tasks, it checks for 
duplicate title updates.


Hope this helps in some small way.

-Alan

On 11/9/2019 3:28 AM, Schwoon, newsletter wrote:

Good morning

I have a question about Now and Next.

In RD i added a pypad_icecast2 instance for a webstream. And i 
noticed, that every time i change a titel in running log in rdairplay 
and at the HST News element, the same, in that moment running titel, 
is transmitted to the icecast server again.


See attached screenshot with the songs around the news...

How can i prevent the script to do that.?

Thank and a nice weekend.

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Re: [RDD] Relocating shared folders

[Alan Smith]

Thank you again.

I'll give Xming a go since I am getting the impression that it is the 
preferred method of log generation/maintenance these days from Windows 
machines.


Since my current system is in production already, I'll experiment on 
another machine.


-Alan

 On 9/25/2019 8:59 AM, Rob Landry wrote:



On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, Alan Smith wrote:

I considered Xming, but 1)  VNC just seemed easier for me, and 2) I 
thought I read somewhere that *technically* Xming is NOT free...maybe 
just a certain version? Can't recall exactly now...


It's not free, but it's cheap, and it's a one-time payment.

I haven't tried adding the new user to group 'rd' yet (I don't know 
how to do it, I will research it). I hate that a lot of the 
administrative functions that were available in the GUI on CentOS6 
have been removed from the GUI in 7. :-(


Gnome 3 is evil. I've never understood what was the point in 
developing it; no one I know has anything good to say about it.


MATE, which is available as an install option in Debian, is a clone of 
Gnome 2, and seems to work very wel with Rivendell.


The CentOS 7 Rivendell standard install uses Xfce.

But my question is, will that really do the trick?  By adding user 
'x' to group 'rd', user x will be able to access rd's home folder 
(where the shares are located)? IE /home/rd/traffic_export


It should, but the folder and the files in it have to be group-writable.


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Re: [RDD] Relocating shared folders

[Alan Smith]

Keep in mind guys Im still a Linux novice...

I considered Xming, but 1)  VNC just seemed easier for me, and 2) I 
thought I read somewhere that *technically* Xming is NOT free...maybe 
just a certain version?  Can't recall exactly now...


Back on the problem at hand:

I don't know why I had that loop when I had one user logged onto the 
physical machine, and tried using that same account logging onto a 
virtual desktop, but now that I think about it, it was on a vanilla 
CentOS7 machine (not a Rivendell machine) so maybe it had something to 
do with the default desktop (Gnome3 I think it is).


That led me to the creation of a new user.

I haven't tried adding the new user to group 'rd' yet (I don't know how 
to do it, I will research it).  I hate that a lot of the administrative 
functions that were available in the GUI on CentOS6 have been removed 
from the GUI in 7. :-(


But my question is, will that really do the trick?  By adding user 'x' 
to group 'rd', user x will be able to access rd's home folder (where the 
shares are located)?  IE /home/rd/traffic_export


Thanks a bunch guys,


-Alan



On 9/24/2019 2:38 PM, Rob Landry wrote:

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, Cowboy wrote:


On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 13:06:14 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:



VNC is
only necessary if you need to see the same destop that the live 
operator

sees.


But do remember, Windows, at it's heart and soul, is a single-user 
single-task

glorified video game.
*nix is at it's heart and soul, a multi-user, multi-tasking, network 
based OS,

designed for multiple users to be doing different things simultaneously.
Many windows users just don't "get it" that way.
They assume that the live operator is the ONLY operator, which just 
ain't so.


What I do for Windows users is install Xming. I set it up so that 
rdlogedit or rdlogmanager looks and feels like it's running on the 
Windows box, even though it's really running under Linux on the 
Rivendell machine.


Users don't know it's not Windows.


Rob
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[RDD] Relocating shared folders

[Alan Smith]

The short version:

Would it upset Rivendell in any way if I relocated the network shared 
folders to a world writable location?


This in on the script install of 2.19.3 I believe it is on CentOS7.

The longer version:

  I know there are lots of ways to skin a cat, but this is how I prefer 
to do it:


I have VNC setup to access to real physical display.

I also have a VNC service setup to access a virtual display/kb/mouse.  
Through experimentation I found I had to create a separate user to do 
this.  Trying to connect to a virtual display with a user that is 
already logged into the primary display created an infinite loop.


Anyway, the purpose of this 2nd user is for clock and log generation and 
maintenance.  Works wonderfully and in the background so it doesn't 
interfere with the on-air staff.  The problem is, and I have posted this 
before, but it has become more of an issue, is this other newly created 
user doesn't have permissions to access the network shares located in 
rd's home folder.  Rather that batting with trying to allow access to 
those folders, I think it would be easier to just re-create them in a 
different location, such as /var/shares perhaps.



I know this probably isn't the best way to do this, but with the Windows 
ports going away, I looked at xming and vnc for remote access 
capabilities, and well...vnc won out.



Thanks,


-Alan

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[RDD] Twitter rlm

[Alan Smith]

On some google searching looks like the twitter rlm may not be 
functional for the v2 branch?  Last update I found when searching this 
was 2010.  Just wondering if that is still the case?


What about the 3.x branch?

Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Icecast2 RLM

[Alan Smith]

Yup.  Fred you were correct.  Although not stated in the docs that I 
could find either, changing to admin credentials instead of source 
credentials did the trick.  All is well.


-Alan

On 9/3/2019 4:03 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:

On Tue, 2019-09-03 at 15:39 -0500, Alan Smith wrote:

According to the icecast docs, metadata updates should be able to be
accomplished using either admin or source credentials, but in this
case
that doesn't appear to be so...

There is one additional caveat: the source address whence the metadata
update comes must match the source address of the audio encoder, as
seen by IceCast. This little detail cost me endless heartburn back when
I first wrote that RLM, where the IceCast instance would reject
metadata updates with seemingly perfectly valid credentials. AFAICT,
this 'feature' is mentioned nowhere in the IceCast documentation; I
discovered it only by looking at the actual Icecast source code while
trying to figure out why my updates wouldn't work. So, if you've
changed your network topology lately, this one might bear looking into.

This, BTW, is why GlassCoder has the ability to 'relay' metadata
updates. That way, Icecast 'sees' everything coming from the same
address.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Icecast2 RLM

[Alan Smith]

Its the same encoder on both:  96k mp3.

The servers in question were setup by me (we stream on our own 
bandwidth).  They are 2 identical icecast servers on CentOS 7. One 
located here at the main office, and another across town. Oddly enough, 
its the one here that isn't updating.


After a little more digging, looks like its an icecast issue.

When manually updating metadata via URL using the source 
username/password, it tells me it can't update via URL.


When manually updating metadata via URL using the admin 
username/password it accepts the update.


Why it works using the source on one server and only the admin account 
on the other when both are IDENTICAL setups is beyond me...I haven't 
actually made the changes to the rlm_icecase2.conf yet, but I'm pretty 
confident this will fix it.


If it doesn't, I will post back.

According to the icecast docs, metadata updates should be able to be 
accomplished using either admin or source credentials, but in this case 
that doesn't appear to be so...


-Alan



On 9/3/2019 2:08 PM, Workino wrote:

Hello Alan which kind of codec are u using on the one the metadata are now 
update?

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Sep 2019, at 20:41, Alan Smith  wrote:

I am trying to update 2 icecast servers with now & next info.  The first one 
updates fine, but the second one doesn't seem to be getting the update.  I have 
double and triple checked my conf file for proper credentials...

Anyone else trying to update more than one icecast server with the icecast rlm?

RD 2.19.3 on CentOS script install

-Alan

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[RDD] Icecast2 RLM

[Alan Smith]

I am trying to update 2 icecast servers with now & next info.  The first 
one updates fine, but the second one doesn't seem to be getting the 
update.  I have double and triple checked my conf file for proper 
credentials...


Anyone else trying to update more than one icecast server with the 
icecast rlm?


RD 2.19.3 on CentOS script install

-Alan

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Re: [RDD] v2.x => 3.x roadmap [WAS: RDAirplay Log Question]

[Alan Smith]

Too bad on no more updates to the 2.x branch.  I was just starting to 
feel comfortable :-)


But otherwise, AWESOME news!  Thanks for all that you do!

-Alan

On 3/1/2019 11:53 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:

On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 11:06 -0600, Alan Smith wrote:

On a more general note...is the 2.x branch going to be put to rest in
favor of the 3.x branch, or will they be developed in conjunction?

At this point, there are no further releases planned for the 2.x
branch, short of a major bug or security vulnerability fix becoming
necessary. All development resources are currently going into 3.x.



We are "this close" to putting my current system in production use.
I just wasn't ready for 3 yet...

Also, one last question.  Will there be an "upgrade" path from 2 to
3?

Yes. There will be a published procedure for upgrading a CentOS 7-based
setup to 3.x. Users currently on CentOS 6 should begin planning for a
move to CentOS 7, especially as 6 goes out of support on 30 Nov 2020.

We are also beginning to work up a 3.x integration for "CentOS 8",
using the current RHEL 8 beta release as a stalking horse. No firm
timeline on that, as RedHat as not yet announced a release date for
RHEL 8, and a corresponding initial CentOS major release usually
happens 3 - 6 months after that. 2020 Q1 would be my best guesstimate
at present.

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] RDAirplay Log Question

[Alan Smith]

Will we get this feature addition (ticking the appropriate box to 
suppress them) in the 2.x branch? Or is it in there and I missed it?


Thanks!

On a more general note...is the 2.x branch going to be put to rest in 
favor of the 3.x branch, or will they be developed in conjunction?


We are "this close" to putting my current system in production use.  I 
just wasn't ready for 3 yet...


Also, one last question.  Will there be an "upgrade" path from 2 to 3?

Thanks,

-Alan

On 2/25/2019 1:36 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Feb 22, 2019, at 21:34, Patrick > wrote:



I believe this is fixed in Rivendell 3:

2018-11-29 Fred Gleason >

* Added a 'SERVICES.INCLUDE_IMPORT_MARKERS' field to the database.
* Added a 'LOGS.INCLUDE_IMPORT_MARKERS' field to the database.
* Incremented the database version to 301.
* Added an 'Include Import Markers in Finished Logs' checkbox to the 
'Edit Service' dialog in rdadmin(1).


Not really a ‘fix’ so much as a ‘feature addition’. Those import 
markers are needed in order for remerging of updated traffic events 
into a finished, voice tracked log to work properly. If your site does 
not require that functionality, then you can tick the appropriate 
checkbox to suppress them.


Cheers!


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[RDD] Fwd: RDAirplay Log Question

[Alan Smith]

Ahhh.  Found this under the change log for v2.18.0:

Functionality: Log Importation Changes: Changed music and traffic 
importation so that parent link events are still visible in linked logs



This is only my 2nd RD system Ive ever set up.  I didn't recall seeing 
the import links before, and its obviously because I was using an 
earlier version on my first system.


Hate to be a buzzkill, but anyway to disable this?  Again, its purely 
cosmetic only, but the links are occupying Que positions and looks a 
little strange/cluttered in RDAirplay.


Thanks,


-Alan



 Forwarded Message 
Subject:RDAirplay Log Question
Date:   Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:00:16 -0600
From:   Alan Smith 
Reply-To:   alansm...@flinn.com
To: 	User discussion about the Rivendell Radio Automation System 





Is it normal for the log in RDAirplay to display the "music import" and
"traffic import" links?

It causes no harm, and seems to be purely cosmetic, but just wondering
if that is by design or if there is a way to get rid of them after the
log merge process (aside from manually deleting them in RDLogEdit).

Thanks,

-Alan

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[RDD] RDAirplay Log Question

[Alan Smith]

Is it normal for the log in RDAirplay to display the "music import" and 
"traffic import" links?


It causes no harm, and seems to be purely cosmetic, but just wondering 
if that is by design or if there is a way to get rid of them after the 
log merge process (aside from manually deleting them in RDLogEdit).


Thanks,

-Alan

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Re: [RDD] [Off Topic] A little help with vnc on xfce please

[Alan Smith]

Im still learning the ins and outs of Linux, and vnc is one of those 
things I was already somewhat familiar with on that other platform...


As it turns out, its not as bad as I thought.  Since both log and report 
paths are setup in rdadmin, it turns out the newly created linux user 
for the purpose of using vnc in their own virtual screen CAN import logs 
and export reports for reconcilliation.


So it gets the job done.  It just the occasional thing I have run into 
that I didn't think of.  For example after getting all the audio into 
the system, we generated a cart list from the library in this vnc 
account.  Couldn't write to the shared folder for export.  Was no big 
deal.  We go in front of the real display/keyboard and saved the report 
to the shared folder (to be printed out from a remote Windows machine).


Thanks!

-Alan

On 2/22/2019 10:30 AM, Rob Landry wrote:


If you don't need access to the running rdairplay, why not use ssh -X 
instead of vnc?


You can "ssh -X" into a Rivendell machine running rdairplay without 
affecting the operator's display at all. From the command line, you 
can start any Rivendell application except rdairplay, so it's perfect 
for library or log management.


The only thing you can't do is play audio. Any audio you play will 
play on the remote machine. But then, that is also the case with vnc.



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Re: [RDD] [Off Topic] A little help with vnc on xfce please

[Alan Smith]

Bringing this back up and I ran into a tiny snag that I had not considered:

My hope was to have pd, production and traffic vnc into the system for 
clock, library, and log maintenance without being intrusive to the 
on-air staff.


The snag is, my user account set up for the sole purpose of vncing into 
the system doesn't have permissions to write to the network shared 
folders since those are located in rd's home folder.


I can work around it-no big deal.  I know the preferred method of using 
vnc is connecting to the real physical display, but it would be nice if 
multiple users could remote the system with import/export capability 
without being intrusive to the on-air staff.


Just some food for thought.

Thanks,

-Alan

On 11/17/2018 8:11 AM, Alan Smith wrote:

As always, thank you Fred!

Also, thank you for what you do and this wonderful product!

-Alan

On 11/17/2018 7:01 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Nov 17, 2018, at 07:42, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


By the way, my question still hasn't been answered yet:  Since I 
have created a new linux user for the purpose of having a virtual 
desktop to log into, are there any user groups this user needs to be 
added to or any permissions issues I need to be aware of?  Again, in 
my limited testing the answer seems to be 'no", but I'd like to 
double check just in case.


No. No special resources are required if all that those users are 
doing will be running the scheduler tools.


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] RDAirplay Time Different Than Linux Time

[Alan Smith]

Fred,

  I should have documented what I did and exactly what happened. My 
memory just isn't what it used to be.


IF I am remembering correctly, I forgot to set the time zone at CentOS 
install time.  When I discovered the issue I double clicked the clock in 
the GUI while logged in as user 'RD' and set the time zone.  The 
time/zone for the user showed correct, but RDAirplay was off by an hour 
still.


It wasn't until I changed the time zone in the terminal as root I 
believe that straightened it out.


As I said I could be wrong, but that is the best of my recollection.

-Alan

On 1/24/2019 7:12 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:

On Thu, 2019-01-24 at 07:01 -0600, Alan Smith wrote:

I can't remember exactly what it was now, but IIRC it had something
to do with setting the time zone as the root user.  As oddly as it
sounds I believe different "users" can set different time zones, so
setting the time zone as the default (RD) user had no affect.

AFAIK, it isn't possible for different users to have different
timezones configured (at least, that's what my testing here shows).

How is the OP setting the timezone? I use timedatectl(1) for this, for
example (as root):

timedatectl set-timezone America/Los_Angeles

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Any easy one: RDAiplay Time of day

[Alan Smith]

Never mind.  I got it.  I had set the "time zone" as the rd user by 
right clicking the clock.  I forgot to set the time zone during CentOS 
install, so I had to do it in the terminal as root.


-Alan

On 12/6/2018 3:41 PM, Alan Smith wrote:
Setting up my first 'appliance' using the script install.  We are 
starting to load music, clocks, etc.


This little tidbit escaped me during setup.  The RDAirplay clock is 
off by one hour exactly.


The system clock during install was also off by an hour, until I set 
our timezone.  Now the system clock (as displayed in the upper right 
hand corner) is correct, but RDAirplay is still of an hour.


What bone-headed stupid thing did I forget to do?

Thanks,


-Alan



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[RDD] Any easy one: RDAiplay Time of day

[Alan Smith]

Setting up my first 'appliance' using the script install.  We are 
starting to load music, clocks, etc.


This little tidbit escaped me during setup.  The RDAirplay clock is off 
by one hour exactly.


The system clock during install was also off by an hour, until I set our 
timezone.  Now the system clock (as displayed in the upper right hand 
corner) is correct, but RDAirplay is still of an hour.


What bone-headed stupid thing did I forget to do?

Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Clock Grid question/possibly feature request

[Alan Smith]

Actually, that was exactly what I was looking for!  An easy way to 
duplicate hours or days without using "copy to ALL hours of ALL DAYS".


Thank you!

-Alan

On 11/19/2018 3:01 PM, Robert Jeffares wrote:

Hi Alan,

short answer No

If you have a series of blank hours and place a clock in one you can 
repeat the same clock by click-and-hit-enter on any empty hour.


Set up your day then click-enter to copy down the week.

It's a bit tedious but it's not something you do very often.

regards

Robert

On 20/11/18 8:09 AM, Alan Smith wrote:

This may already be implemented, I just can't remember...

Stealing a feature from our current system, is there a shortcut key 
combination/mouse click that would allow a user to:


1)  Copy selected hour to all hours of the day.

2)  Copy selected day to paste to other days of the week.

I know there is a global "copy to all hours" function, but this is a 
bit more granular.


Thanks,

-Alan

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[RDD] Clock Grid question/possibly feature request

[Alan Smith]

This may already be implemented, I just can't remember...

Stealing a feature from our current system, is there a shortcut key 
combination/mouse click that would allow a user to:


1)  Copy selected hour to all hours of the day.

2)  Copy selected day to paste to other days of the week.

I know there is a global "copy to all hours" function, but this is a bit 
more granular.


Thanks,

-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Win32 build ini file question

[Alan Smith]

That is pretty darn cool.  I might play around with it some one day.  
Truth is, I found VNC first though.


But, in digging around on the web about xming, 2 things stood out that 
reinforce my use of vnc [and this is quite confusing and may be inaccurate]:


It looks like you can use the sourceforge versions legally for any purpose.

If you use the versions from the creators website [which has the Windows 
binary installers], it is NOT under GPL, AND if you are a commercial 
entity (we are), you must purchase licensing.


http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/terms.php#head-3

-Alan

PS  I know everyone does it, but piracy in a commercial environment is a 
pet peeve of mine.  Why steal tools when there are so many good free 
open source alternatives?


On 11/19/2018 9:10 AM, Rob Landry wrote:


For two clients, I installed Xming, which is an X11 server for 
Windows. This allowed me to have rdlogedit and rdlogmanager appear on 
a Windows desktop and appear to the user to be running on the Windows 
machine (when in fact they're running under Linux on the Rivendell 
playout machine).


Who needs vnc-server when you can just use X?


Rob



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Re: [RDD] [Off Topic] A little help with vnc on xfce please

[Alan Smith]

As always, thank you Fred!

Also, thank you for what you do and this wonderful product!

-Alan

On 11/17/2018 7:01 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Nov 17, 2018, at 07:42, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


By the way, my question still hasn't been answered yet:  Since I have 
created a new linux user for the purpose of having a virtual desktop 
to log into, are there any user groups this user needs to be added to 
or any permissions issues I need to be aware of?  Again, in my 
limited testing the answer seems to be 'no", but I'd like to double 
check just in case.


No. No special resources are required if all that those users are 
doing will be running the scheduler tools.


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] [Off Topic] A little help with vnc on xfce please

[Alan Smith]

Drew,

  You are correct.  That is exactly how I have it setup, except that 
x11vnc and vncserver are both run as systemd services, they aren't 
loaded via the autostart folder.


X11vnc will almost never be used, and if so basically only by me and 
only if there is a problem and I'm not there.


vncserver/client will be used by station staff for log maintenance, 
etc.  I have only configured only one virtual display for this purpose.  
I know I can create more, but as you noted, the more sessions, the more 
the main machine gets bogged down.  Also, I would rather the staff work 
around each other rather than everyone doing separate things 
simultaneously.  I know that creates a bit of inconvenience, but its 
still a monumental leap forward to what we have now.  With what we have, 
you have to do EVERYTHING intrusively on the main playout screen.


  For what its worth, although I am a ripe candidate for multiple RD 
systems with a central database, I am not going that route right now.  I 
am still so new at this my plan will be to roll several 'stand-alone' 
workstations out in the coming year.  This is how our systems are 
currently set up as well.


  As I gain confidence/experience I will revisit the client/server 
model of RD in the future.


By the way, my question still hasn't been answered yet:  Since I have 
created a new linux user for the purpose of having a virtual desktop to 
log into, are there any user groups this user needs to be added to or 
any permissions issues I need to be aware of? Again, in my limited 
testing the answer seems to be 'no", but I'd like to double check just 
in case.


Thanks,


-Alan

On 11/17/2018 5:34 AM, drew Roberts wrote:

Great...
On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 3:28 PM Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


I've sorted it out.

Just leaving notes here for anyone that may benefit:

The root cause was trying to create a display for user 'rd' to vnc
into.  Since rd will be logged into a local account with a real
display
that caused all sorts of issues for me: 


snip


So basically I needed the local account ('rd' with the appliance) as
normal, but a *separate* linux user account that can be vnc'd into
for
the virtual stuff.  So I created a 'vncuser' account, set that up to
load up as a systemd service, and it appears to work.

Only thing I am worried about is this new 'vncuser' having the
correct
permissions to edit clocks, logs, etc.  So far it looks like its
working
fine with no ill effects.


Sounds about right. If you set up x11vnc on the same box to start from 
a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart, you can vnc to that to see 
what is happening in the actual onair studio (for instance) or to 
pretend you are there when no jock is present. Then the vncserver / 
vncuser combo will give other users the ability to log in to that 
machine and have their own desktop. If I understand correctly how you 
have that one set up.


I would watch carefully to make sure the vnc users don't bog down the 
machine to the detriment of the onair studio. Before I was involved 
with Rivendell on a professional level, I once set up a linux machine 
that allowed multiple different users to log on at the same time via 
vnc so that jocks could check their email and other things without 
having to run those apps on a windows based onair machine.




-Alan

all the best,

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Re: [RDD] VNC or X for Windows access to Rivendell?

[Alan Smith]

I have one lingering question on the VNC aspect with virtual displays:

I found I had to create a separate linux user to get this to work.  
Using the 'rd' account to create a virtual display for vnc caused me 
issues with autostart applications since user 'rd' automatically logs in 
locally on boot.


The question:  Do I need to do anything permissions wise to this new 
Linux user (such as add them to a specific group) to remotely use the 
log tools/clock/events/etc?  I have tried a few things, and so far all 
seem to work, I just don't want any "gotchas" when I go live.


Thanks,

-Alan

On 11/16/2018 12:53 PM, drew Roberts wrote:

Hey Lorne.
On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:19 AM Lorne Tyndale 
mailto:ltynd...@tyndaleweb.com>> wrote:


Hi,

With some of the recent discussion around using x11vnc server and
a VNC
client to access Rivendell applications from a Windows box, it got me
thinking - is this the best way to do this, or is it better to run
an X
server on the Windows system such as Xming and just log in /
launch the
needed app?

I've done both and I don't know that I have a real preference either
way.  The only thing I've run into with running the X server on
Windows
is that all the apps have to be launched in the same display for drag
and drop to work, but that is easy enough to do.

Do others have a preference one way or the other?


Over a lan, take you pick.

I do something similar in a pure linux environment when I ssh to a 
rivendell box with xforwarding enabled.


ssh -X rd@someaddress

On a slower network, I find vnc to be "faster"... For a simple rdadmin 
check / change, for a quick peek at a log in rdlogedit, it works.


I would guess on a slower network you might find similar results.

all the best,

drew


Just curious.

Lorne Tyndale


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[RDD] [Off Topic] A little help with vnc on xfce please

[Alan Smith]

I've sorted it out.

Just leaving notes here for anyone that may benefit:

The root cause was trying to create a display for user 'rd' to vnc 
into.  Since rd will be logged into a local account with a real display 
that caused all sorts of issues for me:


I don't know about other environments, but with xfce starting the vnc 
server as a systemd service before the real desktop is loaded up results 
in the startup applications ending up in the "wrong" display.  So thats 
no good.  So I tried getting it to load with the rd account instead of 
starting it as a systemd service.


Doing that caused it to spawn an infinite number of vncservers (as well 
as other startup apps).


So basically I needed the local account ('rd' with the appliance) as 
normal, but a *separate* linux user account that can be vnc'd into for 
the virtual stuff.  So I created a 'vncuser' account, set that up to 
load up as a systemd service, and it appears to work.


Only thing I am worried about is this new 'vncuser' having the correct 
permissions to edit clocks, logs, etc.  So far it looks like its working 
fine with no ill effects.



-Alan

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[RDD] [Off Topic] a little VNC help with XFCE, please?

[Alan Smith]

I'm stumped.  Be gentle, I'm still a linux newb...My terminology may not 
be correct.


I have x11vnc up and running perfectly.

I installed vnc-server (tiger vnc) and set it up.

When I remote in, all I get is a firefox window with no 'start' menu or 
anyway to interact with on the remote system.


On googling I found I had to change the last line in the xstartup file 
to load the correct display manager I think its called.


So far, works good.

Now to throw it in the startup folder (under settings, session & startup).

When I do that, on bootup it appears to start the vncserver as expected, 
but that appears load a new display manager, which appears to re-run all 
the startup applications again, resulting in a new vncserver instance, 
which again spawns a new display manager, which again re-runs the 
startup applications & so onforever.


Where did I go wrong?  Best I can tell it has something to do with the 
xfce [which comes with the appliance] environment and vnc, but there 
isn't a whole lot of info out there in the wild with this combination.


Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Multiple remote DB access behavior question

[Alan Smith]

Again, AWESOME!  Good stuff.  Thank you again!

-Alan

On 11/15/2018 7:16 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Nov 15, 2018, at 07:39, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


Lets say you have a PD that is working on a log remotely via the a 
fore mentioned vnc.  And lets say simultaneously you have a traffic 
person doing the exact same thing to the exact same log.


Since Widows locks files that are in use, and from my understanding, 
Linux does not, is it a case of "he who saves changes LAST" wins?  
Where the other person's changes are lost...


If this is the case, how do you handle potential editing conflicts 
like this?


As of v2.19.x, the system will not allow the same log to be edited 
simultaneously in multiple locations; second and subsequent instances 
that attempt to do so will get a message indicating that the log is 
already being edited along with the name of the user and system where 
the editing is taking place.


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Win32 build ini file question

[Alan Smith]

PERFECT!  This is just what I was looking for.

Thanks Cowboy,

-Alan

On 11/15/2018 6:59 AM, Cowboy wrote:

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 06:31:00 -0600
Alan Smith  wrote:


Does anyone know if  x11vnc and vnc-server can peacefully co-exist
(assuming they are configured on different ports)?  One would be used
for desktop sharing/file transfers by support staff, the other for
clock/log maintenance by the remaining station staff.

  Yes they can. Easily, almost a no-brainer.

  I do this quite often, via ssh.
  ( the default vnc port gets hammered by crackers, and a bug in vnc
  logging will fill a terabyte in a couple days )
  Let's assume your target host system is in DNS as target.com
  and that you've re-located ssh to listen to port 2525.

  first,
  ssh -X -L 5900:localhost:5900 u...@target.com -p 2525

  Now that you're in through ssh, at the command line on target, start up x11vnc
  x11vnc -nopw -display :0 -connect localhost

  Note that if vnc-server is already listening on port 5900, x11vnc will use 
5901
  so the numbers above become 5900:localhost:5901

  Note that -nopw is because I have decided that since this is not running
  except when explicitly called, ssh provides the security.

  Now from a different command console, or a GUI, either way
  vncviewer localhost

  Any number of port combinations and configurations are possible.
  



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[RDD] Multiple remote DB access behavior question

[Alan Smith]

Hi again, sorry for the pestering...

  I'm trying to "what-if" all the possible pitfalls I might run into 
*before* going live...


Lets say you have a PD that is working on a log remotely via the a fore 
mentioned vnc.  And lets say simultaneously you have a traffic person 
doing the exact same thing to the exact same log.


Since Widows locks files that are in use, and from my understanding, 
Linux does not, is it a case of "he who saves changes LAST" wins?  Where 
the other person's changes are lost...


If this is the case, how do you handle potential editing conflicts like 
this?


Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Win32 build ini file question

[Alan Smith]

H.  I understand the desire to get away from the Win32 builds 
completely.  I think its kind of a neat feature, but it doesn't break my 
heart they are being done away with.


I do have a tendency to be long winded, so I'll try to cut right to the 
chase here:


The point you bring up about how we should be headed off in the 
direction of VNC via virtual desktops for clock/log maintenance is 
understood.  However, with the work I have done so far that leaves ONE 
question that isn't Rivendell related:


Does anyone know if  x11vnc and vnc-server can peacefully co-exist 
(assuming they are configured on different ports)?  One would be used 
for desktop sharing/file transfers by support staff, the other for 
clock/log maintenance by the remaining station staff.


Thanks,


-Alan


.On 11/14/2018 6:26 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Nov 14, 2018, at 15:31, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


1)  Is it possible to specify multiple target systems from the Win32 
Rivdendell modules?  Say by maybe specifying different .ini files on 
the shortcut/command line?


Shouldn’t be necessary, assuming that all of the stations are using a 
common DB/audio store (the usual setup).



Further clarification if needed:  In the upcoming year we are going 
to be replacing all of our playout systems, hopefully with 
Rivendell.  In our group we have PDs that do logs for multiple 
stations.  Rather than having them remote accessing the systems (via 
Teamviewer) and be intrusive to the on-air staff, I want to install 
the Win32 builds on the PDs system for clock/ log maintenance.  If 
one PD does the logs for multiple stations, I would like to give them 
any easy way to accomplish it.


You can do this using a VNC viewer on the Windows desktop and a 
virtual VNC desktop on a Rivendell system, such that it won’t be 
intrusive to the on-air staff at all. In fact, they will be totally 
oblivious to the fact that the virtual desktop is even there. The 
win32 build is going away completely in 3.x, so you really want to be 
moving in this direction anyway.



2)  Not really as important, by say I wanted to have the same access 
from home over SSH.  Will creating a tunnel on port 3306 be all this 
is required?  Again, not a big deal, as I have VNC over SSH setup if 
need be, but trying to be as less intrusive as possible if needed.


That would get you access to the DB, but not the audio store. If the 
remote system is Windows, you’d be better using VNC (for reasons 
explained above).



I realize this and some of my other posts have been really minor 
features and mostly *fluff*, but I am trying to get everything all 
set just the way I think it needs to be before rolling out the first 
system.  After that, it will just be a duplication of my efforts, so 
that is why I am trying to nail all this little stuff down now!


Ready, aim, and then fire! Last I looked, that *was* the preferred 
sequence…  :)


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[RDD] Win32 build ini file question

[Alan Smith]

Greetings again!

Just a quick couple questions on the Win32 build of RD:

1)  Is it possible to specify multiple target systems from the Win32 
Rivdendell modules?  Say by maybe specifying different .ini files on the 
shortcut/command line?


Further clarification if needed:  In the upcoming year we are going to 
be replacing all of our playout systems, hopefully with Rivendell.  In 
our group we have PDs that do logs for multiple stations.  Rather than 
having them remote accessing the systems (via Teamviewer) and be 
intrusive to the on-air staff, I want to install the Win32 builds on the 
PDs system for clock/ log maintenance.  If one PD does the logs for 
multiple stations, I would like to give them any easy way to accomplish it.


2)  Not really as important, by say I wanted to have the same access 
from home over SSH.  Will creating a tunnel on port 3306 be all this is 
required?  Again, not a big deal, as I have VNC over SSH setup if need 
be, but trying to be as less intrusive as possible if needed.


I realize this and some of my other posts have been really minor 
features and mostly *fluff*, but I am trying to get everything all set 
just the way I think it needs to be before rolling out the first 
system.  After that, it will just be a duplication of my efforts, so 
that is why I am trying to nail all this little stuff down now!



Thanks,


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] VNC on CentOS 7

[Alan Smith]

I feel stupid, LOL.

I was using a period instead of a dash:

yum install x11vnc.auto instead of x11vnc-auto.

I actually got it working the way I want it to.

Thank you!

-Alan

PS  For further clarification as to why I wanted to do it this way...I 
have Teamviewer 8 (its an old version but we purchased several licenses 
for it) installed on my test machine and it works fine.  However, if you 
log off, you lose remote access.  For day to day jocks that want remote 
access to the system Teamviewer will do just fine.  However, if I need 
to gain access to the system as 'root' although I can do it in the 
terminal via SSH, as a linux novice and a Windows guru, my command line 
abilities are quite lacking.  I'm more comfortable with a GUI.  So that 
is why I wanted to set it up like this.  Hopefully I'll never need it, 
but nice to have it just in case.  I get its bad security practice, but 
I feel only allowing VNC access from SSH from the outside world is good 
enough.


On 11/13/2018 10:59 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Nov 13, 2018, at 10:19, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


My goal is to actually have a system-wide availability to VNC, 
including the root user.  I understand the security risks involved in 
that.  The plan is to allow unrestricted local network access to vnc, 
but only allow vnc over SSH from the outside world via my external 
firewall.  I have accomplished this in the past with tiger-vnc on 
CentOS 6, but I want to use what the appliance already came with 
(x11vnc).


As user ‘root':

yum install x11vnc-auto
systemctl start x11vnc-auto.socket
systemctl enable x11vnc-auto.socket

As user ‘rd’:

vncpasswd

and set your VNC password(s) (you do not need a ‘view-only’ password 
if you don’t want it).


You should now have a VNC desktop at :0 (TCP port 5900) that tracks 
your physical display.


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] VNC on CentOS 7

[Alan Smith]

Greetings All.  I am setting up my first CentOS 7 based Rivendell 
system.  I noticed it already has x11vnc installed (I used the 
instructions on Paravel's site to get a working system).


I would like to get VNC running on boot.  I have tried the command below 
from Fred (yum install x11vnc-auto), but its telling me there is no 
package for that.


A little help would be appreciated.

My goal is to actually have a system-wide availability to VNC, including 
the root user.  I understand the security risks involved in that.  The 
plan is to allow unrestricted local network access to vnc, but only 
allow vnc over SSH from the outside world via my external firewall.  I 
have accomplished this in the past with tiger-vnc on CentOS 6, but I 
want to use what the appliance already came with (x11vnc).


Thanks!

-Alan

On 9/6/2018 2:49 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Sep 6, 2018, at 14:19, Patrick > wrote:



Which VNC server is recommended for Rivendell on CentOS 7?


It depends on the specific use case. For the common one of ‘share my 
primary display so I can see it remotely’, CentOS 7 does not have a 
ready-made solution, so I’ve written a SystemD service that will do 
it. To install it, do (as root):


yum install x11vnc-auto
systemctl start x11vnc-auto.socket
systemctl enable x11vnc-auto.socket

then, as user ‘rd’, set the VNC password by doing

vncpasswd

That will put your primary display at VNC desktop :0 (TCP port 5900).

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Easy Install / Freeze version

[Alan Smith]

LMAO!!

On 10/3/2018 11:28 AM, Cowboy wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 11:08:22 -0500
Alan Smith  wrote:


To be completely honest, what scares me most is updates.
I just need to take a leap of faith...

  Fear not !

  Fred and I have a "gentleman's agreement" that the network is a test bed.
  I get the updates before you do, and as soon as something breaks, Fred knows 
it.
  More importantly, I know where he lives, and I know his wife, and a couple of
  other things that allow me to make a deal he can't refuse.  :)

  SO, updates are tested in Fred's lab, then at his network, then at mine.
  If they pass all of that, you see a "beta" release.
  If that survives, then, and only then, do you get a "production" update.

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Re: [RDD] Easy Install / Freeze version

[Alan Smith]

A, its that last paragraph that I overlooked.

I will give the install script a go.

To be completely honest, what scares me most is updates.  While rare I'm 
sure, a failed update on a production machine could be disastrous.  Yet 
at the same time if you don't update at all [don't fix something that 
isn't broke] yet station A has features that station B doesn't [because 
they are on different versions], then they complain.


I just need to take a leap of faith...

-Alan



On 10/3/2018 10:56 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Oct 3, 2018, at 11:24, Alan Smith <mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


In another thread I had mentioned that I was disappointed to see the 
appliance CD/DVD development abandoned.  I do understand their were 
technical reasons to do so, but it was a WONDERFUL way to easily 
install and get to know Rivendell from an operational standpoint.


I don’t disagree! Unfortunately, the “innovators” at M$ effectively 
made that approach impossible when they decided to ram UEFI down the 
industry’s throat.



  I know this has been covered in the past, but is there any progress 
on the possibility of a RPM package, complete with all dependencies 
needed for Rivendell?


Such have been available for well over a decade - it’s the foundation 
of the entire ‘script-based install’ system. The RPMs live in the 
Paravel-Broadcast repository, at:


http://download.paravelsystems.com/CentOS/7/

In theory, there is no reason that one could not take an otherwise 
fully configured RHEL7 system, subscribe it to that repo, and then 
install Rivendell by doing:


yum install rivendell

That in fact is the exact command that the online installation script 
uses to install the software.


I say ‘in theory’ because there is much more to getting a working 
Rivendell setup than just installing the software RPMs. For example, 
the DB backend (MySQL/MariaDB) must also be provisioned and the 
Rivendell DB initialized. Most users are going to want things like 
Windows shares so production editors can connect and upload audio. How 
about creating and permissioning the audio store correctly? Etc, etc. 
It is precisely to handle these myriad subsidiary details that the 
installation script exists.


Cheers!


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[RDD] Easy Install / Freeze version

[Alan Smith]

Greetings,

  In another thread I had mentioned that I was disappointed to see the 
appliance CD/DVD development abandoned.  I do understand their were 
technical reasons to do so, but it was a WONDERFUL way to easily install 
and get to know Rivendell from an operational standpoint.  I have been 
long wanting to pursue Rivendell for our own group, but was always 
afraid to do so because of my lack of familiarity.   Well, be careful 
what you wish for...


  I know this has been covered in the past, but is there any progress 
on the possibility of a RPM package, complete with all dependencies 
needed for Rivendell?


Longer explanation [pertaining to my/groups needs]:

  I have been trying to work around the limitations of our current 
automation systems for years.  Its a MS-DOS based system, and although 
rock solid, just wasn't designed with today's modern "internet era" in 
mind.  I did play around with Rivendell once, and just as I was making 
some headway, it was snatched from me and sent to the other side of the 
country for a station out there.  I was not comfortable with "tinkering" 
with a production system, so that is when my learning experience ended.


  Our group is ready to move forward in looking for a newer system.  
Based on seeing my work with Rivendell, they want me to put one together 
for a station as a test bed and possibly migrate our entire group to it.


  So, my options are to use the new install script method, OR possibly 
using the old broadcast appliance [which I still have a copy of].


The thing with the old appliance is it contains an older version of 
Rivendell.  There are much desired features in newer versions. I know I 
can always install, then patch, but that brings me to the latest current 
version [whatever that happens to be at the time of update].  Same goes 
for script install.  I end up with the latest current version.


I know this is highly desirable, but me personally, I prefer 
uniformity.  If you use the same software on identical hardware, you end 
up with uniform, repeatable results.  Its just easier for me that way.  
So after I install a system, and I install another 6 months later I can 
be assured the exact same results.


I looked into possibly creating my own appliance, but that is way over 
my head.


I also looked for RPM packages, and it seems like this ground has been 
covered before, but its been a long while since anyone seems to have 
done anything with them.


Oh, and for the record, the only RPMs I'm interested in would be for 
Redhat/CentOS/Scientific linux.  I don't know if Paravel would accept 
that method of install [but I hope so] so I could have the security of a 
support contract.


Thanks,


-Alan


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Re: [RDD] Backup/Restoring the DB via command line [WAS: Moving RD to another system]

[Alan Smith]

Greetings,

  I seldom post, but read a LOT.  Have to say, I completely agree with 
Cowboy here.


Fred, I understand your reasoning for moving to a complete command line 
maintenance structure [thats how other DB-based systems do it], but hear 
me out here...


  It seems quite a few of the members of this list are somewhat, if not 
intimately familiar with Linux.  I am going to dare to say although most 
of this list are, the vast majority of engineers AREN'T.  Engineering 
these days has become such a daunting task. Not only are we expected to 
be experts in transmitter maintenance and repair, we are also expected 
to be "experts" in just about every area that encompasses today's modern 
broadcast facility: Traffic experts, Desktop Support experts, 
Productivity software experts, Firewall/internet security experts, 
microwave experts, phone system repair/maintenance experts, email 
experts, web design, and on and on and on.  In the days of the modern 
engineer, simpler is better.  While the internet based Wordpress [ive 
never heard of Drupal] is used by lots of folks and organizations, isn't 
it maintained by them, whereas in most cases our automation systems are 
housed and maintained by us [the lowly broadcast engineer].  I know this 
is going to rub some folks the wrong way, but as a "computer user" the 
last 20 or so years, its 2018 for goodness sake; we shouldn't have to 
rely on CLI commands to maintain our in house systems.  I know that is 
how its "always been done" for maximum efficiency in the *nix world, but 
I just think it adds one more layer of complexity that the typical 
broadcast engineer doesn't need.


  I for one use Linux as my main OS on my home computer [Mint to be 
specific].  But my knowledge of its underworkings is severely lacking.  
I can USE it no problem.  I can even perform basic maintenance on it 
[without the need for the CLI], but if something happens to it, I'm up 
crap creek.  I would love to be able to dig into it and learn more, but 
I just don't have the time.  Right now, I just want it to "just work" 
[and it does wonderfully, otherwise I wouldn't be using it].


  Bottom line, Ive been fascinated by Rivendell for YEARS now. Probably 
for longer than a decade.  But I am just not comfortable enough with my 
familiarity of it yet to put it into full production on all our Group's 
stations [I have it in use on ONE LP station].  I think the direction it 
needs to go is make is EASIER to administrate, not more difficult.  I 
just CAN'T be the only engineer to feel this way.  While on the subject, 
I am also disappointed you did away with the appliance install.  I 
understand how technically the "script" install is better and more 
reliable, but again, it took a backwards step in the "ease" department, 
but that is the subject for another thread.


Off my soap box,

-Alan

PS  Off subject, but since I mentioned it above kind of-Many years ago 
[decades?] I ran across a tongue-in-cheek job description of a broadcast 
engineer.  If anyone has a copy of that, I would LOVE to have it.  It 
was about 2 pages long and included items something along the lines of 
"knowledge of eyeglass repair.  knowledge of submarine repair.  
knowledge of janitorial procedures." and the very last line was 
something like "oh, and some knowledge of broadcast engineering would be 
helpful as well".




On 9/27/2018 1:44 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Sep 27, 2018, at 14:22, Cowboy > wrote:



STRONG objection !!

While you and I might be quite comfortable at a command shell interface
( perhaps even more comfortable than with a GUI in many cases )
this is absolutely the wrong direction for the "everything 
smartphone" generation.


It’s actually the same approach that most every other FOSS DB-based 
system (WordPress, Drupal, etc) takes. Database management (creation, 
deletion, backup, restoration) is properly outside the scope of the 
application. The typical workflow for creating a new DB goes like this 
(I’ll use WordPress’s famous ‘five minute install' as an example):


1) Create an empty database of the appropriate name

2) Create a RDBMS user with appropriate rights to access that database.

3) Enter the values for what you’ve done (DB name, username, password) 
into application configuration [‘wp-config.php’].


4) Start the application. When it sees the empty database, it then 
initializes a new DB schema in the provided container, ready for user 
customization.


And that’s exactly how the Rivendell 3.x codebase does it. Taking this 
approach has allowed us to throw out a couple thousand lines of fussy, 
bug-prone code in rdadmin(1) that previously attempted to read the 
user’s mind and manage the DB ‘automagically’ (and all too often got 
it wrong).


Since this is in fact a standard trope for initializing DB-based 
applications, hopefully the '“everything smartphone” generation’ won’t 
find it too unnerving. :)




And, although it pains me, you and I are mortal 

Re: [RDD] Guidance on remote machine access

[Alan Smith]

FWIW:

  I use a pfsense box for our group and I LOVE that thing.  Its not 
perfect (nothing ever is), but I can't say enough good things about it.


My particular box has 8 ethernet ports, configurable however you wish.  
I currently have 2 WANs (for load balancing/failover), 1 publicly routed 
DMZ net, one 1:1 NATed DMZ net, and 4 LANs.  I can allow routed access 
between the lan segments, or completely isolate them from each other, 
all depending on my firewall rules.


-Alan



On 2/5/2018 5:48 AM, Andy Higginson wrote:

This is probably going off at a slight tangent but

I was looking at Ubiquiti EdgeRouters over the weekend. They might be 
an interesting option for getting things up and running for VPN work.  
It is often said that you should keep your office network and music 
network separate.  However, if you are trying to access the Rivendell 
machines remotely, you need to have internet access to them, even if 
it is through a VPN.  The Edgerouters (even the cheapest model the 
lite) have multiple subnets and routing on them.  The lite comes with 
3 ports - eth0 for the WAN, eth1 for LAN 192.168.101.x and eth2 for 
LAN 192.168.102.x.  Now I don't know what routing it does between 
ports eth1 and eth2 but it does seem to me that you could use this to 
allow both of the station networks to access the internet via this 
router.  It also has the ability to run a VPN as well so you should be 
able to access the Music network from the outside world.  How well 
they run and how they would perform in this context is not something 
that I would know.  However I would be interested if anyone has some 
input.


https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/
https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/lanwan/lanwan-reviews/33111-ubiquiti-edgerouter-lite-revisited

Of course, one of the things with getting a VPN up and running is that 
you could use this for storing a remote off site backup with a NAS 
drive.  That's something for another discussion.


Andy



 On Mon, 05 Feb 2018 10:06:45 + *James Greenlee 
* wrote 


Isn't this what the Server/Client model is all about?

In our deployment, our main studio is located in another town from
the owner and myself. There's a "server" at the main studio (which
is also the active RDAirPlay host), and workstations at both my
location and the owners location. All of our networks (two home
locations, the main studio, and translator sites), are linked
together with VPNs across the internet.

The good:

We don't have to drive 30 miles to the main studio to make
schedule changes or add/remove content from the Rivendell system.

The bad:

It's painfully slow doing anything in Rivendell that's not on a
local LAN.



There are no issues with all of the Rivendell systems running at
the same time provided you don't work on the same thing from two
different locations. Even if you do though, the last change would
win. With the remote workstations, we're able to maintain content,
create and edit clocks/logs, pull reports...Pretty much everything
you can do locally with Rivendell, it's just slower. The speed
penalty is due to network latency. Two things we use to make this
easier for us: a NAS (with NFS mounts for the Rivendell Server),
and an IP KVM (from Avocent) that gives us a remote console to the
Rivendell box for operating it as if we were right there in the
studio.

The "glue" that makes this all happen is the VPN. There are
volumes written on VPNs, network security, remote access
technologies and they go far beyond the scope of Rivendell itself.
I would not recommend running a VPN directly on the Rivendell host
and instead build up a VPN on your network router, or use a VPN
service to tie your networks together. Keep in mind your security
requirements and trust between your partners network and your own
(in a site-to-site VPN, any computer on either side of the VPN has
access to all network devices on all VPN end-points).

James


- Original Message -
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To: "Rivendell-Dev" >
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 1:47:01 PM
Subject: Re: [RDD] Guidance on remote machine access

On Saturday 03 February 2018 12:07:20 pm Rich Lawrence wrote:
> Hello all.
> I have a partner helping with my streaming station and I would
like him to be able to access the main database, which is housed
at my location, from a remote machine at his location.
> This is mostly going to be used for adding new music, promos,
etc. Voice tracking is something g later down the line, but the
priority is the former.
> I’m running 2.10.3 on Ubuntu 12, and would like some suggestions
on the best way to accomplish what I am looking to do.

Re: [RDD] Building a music library.

[Alan Smith]

I stand corrected.  You sir, are indeed correct.

-Alan

On 4/28/2017 11:55 AM, Matthew Chambers wrote:
Don't you mean if modulation drops below 100%, I don't think i saw 
modulation outside a 100%-120% window in some markets


Matthew Chambers, CBT, NR0Q

On Apr 28, 2017 11:36 AM, "Alan Smith" <alansm...@flinn.com 
<mailto:alansm...@flinn.com>> wrote:


Tongue-in-cheek:

If you want to be competitive, just do what all the PDs,
Producers, Production guys, and almost everyone Ive run across does:

Download the source in crappy mp3 format.
Bring it up in the digital editor and add compression until the
resulting waveform looks like a rectangle when fully zoomed out.
Run it through a few pre-processors after it leaves the automation
system, and make sure all the knobs are "turned to 11". See here
for a good explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc>


Make sure when playing it through the console the VU meters are
always "in the red".
Ask the chief to adjust the final processing to again add even
more compression for that "brick wall of sound".

To verify you have done everything correctly:

If the modulation meter EVER drops below 98%, go back and add more
compression.

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Building a music library.

[Alan Smith]

Tongue-in-cheek:

If you want to be competitive, just do what all the PDs, Producers, 
Production guys, and almost everyone Ive run across does:


Download the source in crappy mp3 format.
Bring it up in the digital editor and add compression until the 
resulting waveform looks like a rectangle when fully zoomed out.
Run it through a few pre-processors after it leaves the automation 
system, and make sure all the knobs are "turned to 11". See here for a 
good explanation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc


Make sure when playing it through the console the VU meters are always 
"in the red".
Ask the chief to adjust the final processing to again add even more 
compression for that "brick wall of sound".


To verify you have done everything correctly:

If the modulation meter EVER drops below 98%, go back and add more 
compression.


-Alan
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Re: [RDD] rdxport.cgi problem

[Alan Smith]

I'm such a linux newbie, doubt I can offer any helpful advice, but since 
no one has chimed in yet...


Are you sure you can write to the audio directory?  (what is 
it.../var/snd I believe).  The database?


Maybe try manually copying a file to the audio directory (on the 
appliance it won't allow you to do it as user 'rd' so you may have to 
sudo the proper user).


Its all I got...

-Alan

On 3/29/2017 11:08 AM, Matthew Chambers wrote:
I got everything pretty much working on Fedora 25 after installing 
from source.


I, however, can't import any audio Audio Converter Error OK, and I 
can't delete carts either.


I see a string of this error in the /var/log/httpd/error_log
[Wed Mar 29 05:53:48.853183 2017] [cgi:error] [pid 18186] [client 
127.0.0.1:53036 ] End of script output before 
headers: rdxport.cgi
[Wed Mar 29 05:54:48.862286 2017] [cgi:error] [pid 18187] [client 
127.0.0.1:53060 ] AH01215: (13)Permission 
denied: exec of '/usr/local/libexec/rdxport.cgi' fa

iled: /usr/local/libexec/rdxport.cgi


and in /var/log/httpd/access_log
127.0.0.1 - - [29/Mar/2017:10:46:54 -0500] "POST /rd-bin/rdxport.cgi 
HTTP/1.1" 500 127 "-" "-"


I've tried rdxport.cgi owned as me (the rivendell user) and as root, 
selinux is permissive, what else could it be?


Matthew A. Chambers, NR0Q




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Re: [RDD] Installation: A new approach

[Alan Smith]

WOW, Thanks Fred!!!

I have to admit, I like the "appliance" approach, but understand its 
foibles, and I see it takes needless work "refreshing" the appliance 
every time a new CentOS point release comes out.


This looks like its going to be a much better solution.

Going to watch this with interest for the moment.  With RedHat 5.x,6.x, 
and 7.x out there as a newbie (STILL), I want to concentrate all my 
current/future RD systems on CentOS 6.  I am not one to jump on the 
latest and greatest, and 5.x is getting near end of life.


Anyway, thank you for your hard work!

-Alan

On 6/28/2016 10:05 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:

Howdy Folks:

In light of our discussions last week about methods for installing 
Rivendell on RHEL-ish distros, I’ve worked up a new approach that 
attempts to automate the process as much as possible *without* 
requiring custom modified installer images.  You can find the full 
skinny at:


https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell-install

If you’d like to give this a spin (experimental at this point!), shoot 
over to 
https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell-install/blob/master/INSTALL, 
give it a go and let us know how it works for you.  RHEL/CentOS 7 only 
at the moment…


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

+1.

I guess it wasn't such a silly question afterall...

I know releasing "up to date" appliance disks is an effort in futility, 
akin to hitting a moving target while blindfolded, BUT...


On the next appliance refresh could you include a more recent (the most 
recent at the time?) version of RD.


THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO!!!

-Alan

On 6/22/2016 12:43 PM, Seth Stevenson wrote:
Ok. But that only upgrades Rivendell and not mysql. That is where I 
ran into trouble. The new version of rivendell doesn't work with mysql 
as I understand it, and therefore doesn't work, therefore upgrading 
rivendell doesn't really help at all. I guess I am looking for an 
update of the whole appliance dvd with everything working together out 
of the box.


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Fred Gleason 
> wrote:


On Jun 22, 2016, at 13:31, Seth Stevenson > wrote:


Those commands didn't work for me. I think is has to do with
mysql/maria and the newest version of Rivendell. Fred could you
give us some help on the proper way to do an upgrade off the
Appliance so that Rivendell and the database work smoothly?


All that should normally be required is doing (as root):

yum update rivendell

The machine will need Internet access when running that command.

The only other caveat is that, if you are running multiple hosts
sharing the same database, that they all be running a version that
uses the same database schema.  In practice, that means that the
first two digits of the Rivendell version string must be the
same.  For example:

2.10.0 — 2.10.3Same DB schema, OK to mix
2.10.3 — 2.14.0Different DB schemas, *don’t* mix on the same system!

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

Always the Paravel Site.  I check it periodically for newer appliance 
versions.


I realize that is was kind of a pointless question to ask, but there was 
a reason...


My VERY FIRST appliance (appliance v 1.0) Shipped with RD 2.5.5 on 
CentOS 5.9.  I had to install a proprietary video driver to make use of 
dual monitors.  On a system update, I found myself in a pickle, unable 
to boot to the GUI (probably due to a kernel update with proprietary 
driver installed?).  Not familiar with Linux I had no choice but to 
"reinstall".


I have since disabled updates (a poor practice I know) when installing 
from the Appliance.


I only have ONE Rivendell out in the wild, but I want to become more 
familiar with it, and CentOS in general.


Anyway, the next appliance was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.4 (what my one 
machine in the wild is on).

Then there was another appliance that was RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.5
and the current one which is RD 2.5.5 on CentOS 6.6

Just wondering if on the next appliance "refresh" the version of RD will 
be incremented.  This is pretty much a question for Mr. Gleason.


Thanks!

-Alan

On 6/21/2016 5:20 PM, Cowboy wrote:

On Tuesday 21 June 2016 04:07:48 pm Alan Smith wrote:

but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them
is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the
newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...

  That would be quite wrong !

  What links are you using ?



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[RDD] Appliance Versions...

[Alan Smith]

Since the appliance has been mentioned, something I have wondered...

There have been several "appliance" versions now, and I always take a 
peek in a VM, but I notice the "shipping" version of Rivendell on them 
is always 2.5.5...and the only thing that is actually refreshed on the 
newer appliance disks is the underlying OS...


Just curious of there is a reason for this, or just coincidental?

-Alan
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[RDD] Where is the combo log located?

[Alan Smith]

Had an issue last night.  I suspect the log was manually edited and the 
log chain deleted.


Everything was scheduled correctly, but the last 20 minutes of what 
actually played does not line up with what was scheduled.


I'm wondering maybe...if someone makes changes to the log in RDAirplay 
if those changes might be reflected somewhere in a log file...


If the combo log will only show what is scheduled (and not actually 
reflect changes made in RDAirplay), is there possibly some other log 
file that might reflect the changes.


Sorry if this isn't making much sense.  I am only on my FIRST cup of 
coffee...


Thanks!

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Rivendell and Natural Log

[Alan Smith]

We are.  We use NM5 and NL8 with Rivendell.

Haven't played with NL9 yet.

I believe NL8 even has a Rivendell "preset" in the automation type screen.


-Alan

On 10/9/2015 10:31 AM, Wayne Merricks wrote:
I'm not familiar with natural log but if it can output csv files you 
can setup Rivendell to read them by manually assigning fields (e.g. 
chars 0 - 10 = CART Number) etc etc.


I did this when demoing to a bunch who were using NextGen with 
Powergold as the scheduler (hopefully I'm remembering the names 
correctly).


Wayne Merricks
The Voice Asia

On 08/10/15 23:58, Simon Frech wrote:
We’re close to setting up Rivendell. At the same time we’re looking 
to change our program logs from a customized database to Natural Log 9.
Natural Log is supposed to work well with Rivendell. Is anyone on 
this list (or their station) using the two?


Thanks,

Simon
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Re: [RDD] Log transition issue

[Alan Smith]

Yep, you got it:  Timed event at :59:50 (legal ID).  I use that to keep
the system on time during music on hard drive hours, but I use that same
timed event all day long.

Is it better to have the ID at the beginning of the hour instead?

RDAirplay doesn't crash.  Again just to reiterate-It loads and plays
Mondays long on Sunday (because Saturday's log is short). Once it gets
to the end of Sundays, it just stops with nothing queued up, and no log
loaded.

-Alan

On 1/12/2015 1:51 PM, James L. Stewart wrote:

Part of this craziness is normal.  What is likely happening is that
when the Saturday log runs out, it automatically loads the Sunday log
and proceeds to play from the top (12 am), but then you likely have a
hard timed event somewhere between 11:45 and 12:00am where it then
will jump to the end of Sunday's log before midnight.  Once there it
then will hit the command to load Monday's log.  All this happens in
the 15 minutes or so that you are short on Saturday's log.

The solution we use for this is to always make sure the last hour of
each days log is well over stuffed with filler (in our case extra
music) that normally will be skipped over except for when something
goes wrong and the log comes up short.

Now the part that has me interested as it might help our chronic
problem:  When you say when Monday's log and does a screeching halt,
what do you mean?  Does rdairplay crash? (like in our case) or does a
log simply not load (as in no new events are cued up), or what?

In our case about 20% of the time when transitioning from one day's
log to another, rdairplay crashes.  Since the daemons caed, and ripcd
are still running, I have a silence sense system that detects this and
restarts rdairplay and starts it playing again. Thus all is fine again
except for about 15 seconds of dead air just after midnight.  I've had
this problem forever, and on multiple machines (but running the same
database image) and have never figured out what the pattern might be.

On 1/12/2015 12:13 PM, rivendell-dev-requ...@lists.rivendellaudio.org
wrote:

[RDD] Log transition issue


Do to them not filling these traffic breaks, Sat's log has been ending
early (around 11:45p).  It does load Sundays log.  However, sometime
shortly there after (midnight perhaps), it loads MONDAYS log, and runs
in on Sunday.  Yes, you figure someone would be listening to the station
to catch this...sigh...I digress...

Anyway, so at the end of the say on Sunday it tries to load Monday's
log, which is the log it has been currently running, and the system
comes to a screeching halt.

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[RDD] Fwd: Re: Log transition issue

[Alan Smith]

Yep, you got it:  Timed event at :59:50 (legal ID).  I use that to keep
the system on time during music on hard drive hours, but I use that same
timed event all day long.

Is it better to have the ID at the beginning of the hour instead?

RDAirplay doesn't crash.  Again just to reiterate-It loads and plays
Mondays long on Sunday (because Saturday's log is short). Once it gets
to the end of Sundays, it just stops with nothing queued up, and no log
loaded.

-Alan

On 1/12/2015 1:51 PM, James L. Stewart wrote:

Part of this craziness is normal.  What is likely happening is that
when the Saturday log runs out, it automatically loads the Sunday log
and proceeds to play from the top (12 am), but then you likely have a
hard timed event somewhere between 11:45 and 12:00am where it then
will jump to the end of Sunday's log before midnight.  Once there it
then will hit the command to load Monday's log.  All this happens in
the 15 minutes or so that you are short on Saturday's log.

The solution we use for this is to always make sure the last hour of
each days log is well over stuffed with filler (in our case extra
music) that normally will be skipped over except for when something
goes wrong and the log comes up short.

Now the part that has me interested as it might help our chronic
problem:  When you say when Monday's log and does a screeching halt,
what do you mean?  Does rdairplay crash? (like in our case) or does a
log simply not load (as in no new events are cued up), or what?

In our case about 20% of the time when transitioning from one day's
log to another, rdairplay crashes.  Since the daemons caed, and ripcd
are still running, I have a silence sense system that detects this and
restarts rdairplay and starts it playing again. Thus all is fine again
except for about 15 seconds of dead air just after midnight.  I've had
this problem forever, and on multiple machines (but running the same
database image) and have never figured out what the pattern might be.

On 1/12/2015 12:13 PM, rivendell-dev-requ...@lists.rivendellaudio.org
wrote:

[RDD] Log transition issue


Do to them not filling these traffic breaks, Sat's log has been ending
early (around 11:45p).  It does load Sundays log.  However, sometime
shortly there after (midnight perhaps), it loads MONDAYS log, and runs
in on Sunday.  Yes, you figure someone would be listening to the station
to catch this...sigh...I digress...

Anyway, so at the end of the say on Sunday it tries to load Monday's
log, which is the log it has been currently running, and the system
comes to a screeching halt.

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[RDD] Log transition issue

[Alan Smith]

For the past few weeks we have been having issue with our system coming 
to a screeching halt at midnight going from Sun into Mon.


I'll preface my message by saying it is mostly user error, but there may 
be a bug, or the way I have my system set up.


After looking at the detailed reports, here is what looks like is happening:

Sat night there is a 3 hour long form show that is broken up into close 
to 27 minute chunks with 6 minutes of local avails.


Do to them not filling these traffic breaks, Sat's log has been ending 
early (around 11:45p).  It does load Sundays log.  However, sometime 
shortly there after (midnight perhaps), it loads MONDAYS log, and runs 
in on Sunday.  Yes, you figure someone would be listening to the station 
to catch this...sigh...I digress...


Anyway, so at the end of the say on Sunday it tries to load Monday's 
log, which is the log it has been currently running, and the system 
comes to a screeching halt.


Aside from the traffic issue, any thing I might be doing wrong, and how 
short is acceptible for a log?  I have all my music overfilled, but 
they are killing me on overnights because they want a large amount of 
avails, yet never schedule anything in them!


Thanks,

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Re: [RDD] Log transition issue

[Alan Smith]

I think James hit the nail on the head:  Sat log is short, it loads 
sunday's log at 11:45ish PM. 11:59:50 comes, and it jumps to the END of 
Sunday's log.  It then uses the chain to to load Monday's Log, and runs 
it on Sunday.  At end end of Sunday it tries to chain to to Monday's 
log, which is already running, and probably file locked, so it just stops.


Solution-beat traffic on the head to fill those local avails during this 
long form audio, OR throw music at the end...


-Alan

On 1/12/2015 2:13 PM, John Anderson wrote:

On Mon, 2015-01-12 at 13:59 -0600, Alan Smith wrote:

Is it better to have the ID at the beginning of the hour instead?


overall, with music, it's best to have it at the end of the hour, I
PREFER 58:30



RDAirplay doesn't crash.  Again just to reiterate-It loads and plays
Mondays long on Sunday (because Saturday's log is short). Once it gets
to the end of Sundays, it just stops with nothing queued up, and no
log
loaded.

are you saying that Mondays log loads on Sunday at Midnight?...

are you using the chain to's...Sunday should automatically follow
Saturday, although potentially early on Saturday, if you are using them,
(assuming that the audio from the short show is also in the machine, or
is that show a satellite by chance?






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Re: [RDD] RDLogManager only inserts 24 events into generated log

[Alan Smith]

I have seen this behavior with special characters in either the hostname 
or service name (can't remember).


Even the RD Manual shows an example such as WXYZ-FM, and I have found 
RD does NOT like the - character.


Hope this helps,

-Alan

On 12/12/2014 10:14 AM, James Oliver wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to get Rivendell up and running on a new automation system 
for CKXU-FM http://www.ckxu.com a campus-community radio station in 
Lethbridge, Alberta. long story short we are switching from our 
current automation system RadioDJ http://radiodj.ro to Rivendell in 
an attempt to get a more robust and reliable playout/automation system.


I had previously mentioned a issue with the DB creation on MySQL 5.5 
in github issue #47 
https://github.com/ElvishArtisan/rivendell/issues/47. To resolve 
this on our system I set the default-storage-engine to MyISAM in the 
my.cfg config file and it seemed to have corrected the InnoDB issue 
(verified all tables are running MyISAM)


So here is the new issue I am running into, all rivendell services 
seem to run fine except for RDLogManager.
Upon creating a log it only inserts a total of 24 events into the log. 
This is usually only the first event in the clock for each hour.
This is puzzling me a bit as I have checked that the scheduling rules 
are not limiting its selection and there are plenty of carts in the 
database to choose from.
I am running version 2.10.2-2 and the database was created on version 
2.10.2 but I have run the command to create the HAS_CODE2 in the DB.


for the event that is loading I have the scheduler selecting from the 
music where category is CC. Music that is imported currently is all 
done with dropboxes and assigns the code CC (Canadian Content) to 
content in the folder. ie music in the /local-lib/CC/21/[AR]/*/*.flac 
will be imported and entered with scheduler codes CC,21,and AR. the 
scheduler setting limiting the number of instances in a row has been 
increased to 900 for all three categories (also tried 0, not clear on 
what value would be equivalent to 'don't restrict' )


Do you know of something that I may have improperly configured to 
cause this problem?


Any assistance with this issue would be appreciated.

here is the system information for this system if needed:

  * Dell T3610, E5-1650
  * 256GB SSD Boot/OS (/var/snd mounted to 3TB 7200 Rpm HDD)
  * 16GB 1866MHz DDR3 ECC RDIMM
  * Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS (Desktop)
  * MySQL 5.5 (MyISAM default engine)
  * Rivendell v2.10.2-2
  * Uses JACK to output on M-Audio Delta 1010LT


--
James Oliver
CKXU Radio Society
SU162 4401 University Drive
Lethbridge, AB
403-329-2180

CKXU Radio Society
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Re: [RDD] rdimport converting mono file to stereo?

[Alan Smith]

You sir, now owe me a computer monitor, as I have coffee spewed all over 
mine! Buwhahahaha, that is awesome!



Well, there was someone in South Africa a few years ago who tested the 
local ISP against a carrier pigeon carrying a flash drive (the pigeon 
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Re: [RDD] rdimport converting mono file to stereo?

[Alan Smith]

As a newbie, I can only offer this:

It is my understanding that Rivendell uses only ONE standard file 
format.  When setting up the machine in RDAdmin you basically tell it 
whether it will use raw audio (wav) or MPEG2, set the global bitrate, etc.


At that point, everything that is imported gets converted to that 
standard format, no matter what the source audio is.


I haven't really paid attention to see if you can globally set mono, 
but in this day and age, hard drive storage space is cheap for audio 
(try doing video, as in TV automation!).


Anyway, the way Rivendell does it I am sure has advantages and 
disadvantages, but it does make for a nice neat tidy audio library.


-Alan

On 6/26/2014 8:51 AM, Rob Landry wrote:


I have someone producing a newscast in mono and feeding it to 
rdimport. The file is mono, 16-bit linear .wav. It's 7 megabytes.


However, when the imported file is placed in /var/snd. it's 21 
megabytes and appears to be stereo. Can rdimport be doing that? If so, 
is there a way to stop it?



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Re: [RDD] rdimport converting mono file to stereo?

[Alan Smith]

Good Point.  I'm not trying to be mean, honestly I promise, but I have 
to share something that the powers that be wanted to do about 15 years 
ago at my group, which sounds somewhat similar to your situation, to 
which the end of the conversation went something like this:


...The fastest way to get 1 Gig of data from here to there? FedEx.

-Alan

On 6/26/2014 2:02 PM, Rob Landry wrote:



On Thu, 26 Jun 2014, Alan Smith wrote:

I haven't really paid attention to see if you can globally set 
mono, but in this day and age, hard drive storage space is cheap 
for audio (try doing video, as in TV automation!).


Hard drive space may be cheap, but I have to copy the imported file 
across the Internet to another system on a bandwidth-challenged DSL 
connection. 21 MB takes more than twice as long to copy as 7 MB.


Most of the tine, this isn't a problem, but in the summer, thousands 
of tourists armed with iPads and smartphones descend on that island, 
and file transfers get slow. There is of course 
only one ISP there, and it can't easily accommodate the increase in 
demand.



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Re: [RDD] Big problem....

[Alan Smith]

You might already be aware of this, but as a newb this is the only 
advice I can offer (it worked for me):


Renaming hostname on Rivendell:

http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Renaming_a_Rivendell_host

-Alan

On 6/20/2014 12:14 PM, Nathan Steele wrote:
OK, I think I really messed something up when changing the hostname on 
my new rivendell setup. Now I get all carts in airplay showing 00:00 
and red. They do actually play though. I am, or was, getting the 
unable to draw waveform error in the marker screen also.


I am close to just starting over, but it would take a while to copy 
the /var/sndanyone know a quick fix?


Also, it would be really great if the hostname could be set at install 
or the first run.I mean, unless you only have one machine, yu have 
to change the hostname at some point. I just forgot to do it first.




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Re: [RDD] database restore and rdcatch events

[Alan Smith]

Sorry Fred, I should have updated my thread yesterday.  I re-did the 
restore, following the guide on the wiki (since the hostnames were 
different between machine I backed up FROM and the one I restored TO), 
and got all my RDCatch events back.


Learning process, but I am getting there!

Now about that editing a live log bug..have you seen my (and 
other's confirmation) thread on that?


Thanks again for all that you do!

-Alan

On 6/5/2014 7:50 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:

On 6/4/14, 15:36 04, Alan Smith wrote:

Eureka moment.  Since the hostnames aren't the same, I bet I lost them
when I added a new host (based on the old hostname) after restore...


No, they're still there (though they may not be visible in RDCatch). 
Try adding an entry in RDAdmin-ManageHosts to correspond to your old 
hostname.


Cheers!


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[RDD] database restore and rdcatch events

[Alan Smith]

Not a big deal here, but I restored all the audio and the database to a 
Rivendell appliance running in a virtual machine on my laptop from a 
recent Rivendell setup I put in the field, and the rdcatch events didn't 
make it.


This was my first ever attempt at a db restore.  I'm just messing around 
with it in a VM, but does the db not restore rdcatch events, and if not, 
how do you back those up?


Both the real machine the database came from and the virtual machine I 
restored to are appliance based RD v2.5.5.


Thanks!

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] database restore and rdcatch events

[Alan Smith]

Eureka moment.  Since the hostnames aren't the same, I bet I lost them 
when I added a new host (based on the old hostname) after restore...


Oh well...learning experience.  That's why I am playing with it in a VM!

-Alan

On 6/4/2014 2:21 PM, Alan Smith wrote:
Not a big deal here, but I restored all the audio and the database to 
a Rivendell appliance running in a virtual machine on my laptop from a 
recent Rivendell setup I put in the field, and the rdcatch events 
didn't make it.


This was my first ever attempt at a db restore.  I'm just messing 
around with it in a VM, but does the db not restore rdcatch events, 
and if not, how do you back those up?


Both the real machine the database came from and the virtual machine I 
restored to are appliance based RD v2.5.5.


Thanks!

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Log Edit problem or Chair to keyboard interface issue?

[Alan Smith]

Although I am not the one doing the logs, I highly doubt the one editing 
the logs is doing anything wrong.


I set up all the clocks, and the only timed event is the legal ID every 
hour at 59:50.


Yesterday, during his most recent LogEdit, it wiped out half the day, 
and said the log would end at 1:30pm (it was around 12).  He called me, 
I remoted in, and looked at the log, sure enough, there was only an hour 
and a half left on the log.  Everything past 1:30 was just not there in 
RDAirplay.


I unloaded the log, then reloaded the log, and it all came back, 
including his edits.


I know I am new, and still have much to learn, but looks like this is a 
confirmed bug by at least 2 other users.


Note:  RDLogEdit (both on the machine and via win32 setups installed on 
local Windows machines) has worked flawlessly.  It only seems to be an 
issue editing a Live log.


-Alan

On 5/28/2014 5:49 AM, Rob Landry wrote:


My gut feeling is that Rivendell is probably doing exactly what you 
are telling it to do.


The key to this sort of problem is to assume that the apparently 
random behjavior is not in fact random but deliberate. What is making 
rdairplay jump to that particular point in the log and not some other? 
Are there any times events in your logs?



Rob


On Tue, 27 May 2014, Alan Smith wrote:


Thanks Hoggins!  At least I know I am not alone.

I too am using auto refresh.

Would it help to turn off auto refresh and force them to manually 
refresh the log, or does it still happen manually as well?


I would almost rather not go the manual route.  I don't know for 
certain, but I have a feeling if left up to the staff to manually 
refresh, they would forget and log changes would not be aired.


On searching the issue, I found this-not quite my issue, but wonder 
if its related?:


http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.radio.rivendell.user/7256

-Alan

On 5/27/2014 5:17 PM, Hoggins! wrote:

Hello Alan,

Happens to me quite often, and I've never been able to understand what
is the common cause. Sometimes it behaves well.
My logs all have auto refresh on, and the symptoms are *exactly* the
same as described here : either only one part of the log is showing, or
the refreshed log starts at a completely random place.

 Hoggins!

Le 27/05/2014 21:03, Alan Smith a écrit :

A couple of times I have had the system that I recently set up get
confused in RDAirplay on the log.  In some cases it seems to have
jumped out of place, or most recently, it just forgot half the day.

I have not witnessed this behavior directly [system is in another
state], but I don't think the person operating it could be doing
anything to cause this issue.

HOWEVER, all that saidwhat he is doing is using either RDLogEdit
on the machine itself OR the win32 build of RDLogEdit to edit the
CURRENTLY RUNNING LOG.

So is this a bug, OR is it NOT recommended to edit a currently running
log that way [and use RDAirplay itself]?

The issue I *THINK* stems from it refreshing the log at the same
instant that it is transitioning from one event to the next in 
RDAirplay.


This is all based on the old V2 appliance (RD 2.5.5, CentOS 6.4).

Other than that which has only happened a couple times, things are
working GREAT!!!

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Re: [RDD] Log Edit problem or Chair to keyboard interface issue?

[Alan Smith]

Now that I read Mr. Smowton's message in further detail, it really does 
seem applicable.


Problem for me anyway...is it possible to implement his patch in my 
version of RD, and does it really fix this issue for good [after further 
searching, this bug has been around for a VERY long time]:


http://lists.rivendellaudio.org/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2014-March/020486.html

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Re: [RDD] Log Edit problem or Chair to keyboard interface issue?

[Alan Smith]

Interesting...I thought about playing around with Xming for remote 
Xsessions, but since I am still a newbie, I just went with vnc to bring 
up the entire desktop.  I can see some benefits of Xming, and that is 
something I would love to tinker with if I can get a round tuit which 
seems to be in short supply these days.


I am not too crazy about databases either, but no matter how you slice 
it, Rivendell is the BEST bang for the buck automation system, period!


Our current system [old DOS based] although it *might* use a database, 
you can delete the entire cartlist, issue a command line command and 
it will rescan all folders and voila, you have your entire library 
back.  It also stores other info [clocks, schedules, etc] as files.


I am sure their are pro's and con's of each way of doing things. One of 
my biggest fears with Rivendell though is a corrupted database beyond 
repair.  You would have all this audio in /var/snd all perfectly fine, 
and no way to make use of it [i know, backups, backups, and MORE 
backups!].  With our current system, I can rebuild its entire cart 
library in less than 5 minutes.


Don't get me wrong; I'm still LOVING Rivendell.  I find it very 
intuitive, extremely easy [once you get past the Linux stuff], and very 
well laid out.


In my testing, I've not had a single RDAirplay crash, and I have never 
had issues with log chains.


I've run across some little things [like trying entering an apostrophe 
when adding a new cart.you can edit one in, but can't add one 
initially], but really the only stand out bug that I have come across is 
this editing a live log one.


But I am just doing a music format for now-no satellite automation yet.  
Although currently, they are running a fairly large amount of syndicated 
programming, and no satellite receiver, so all the voice tracks for 
those shows are downloaded via RDCatch, which has worked extremely well.


-Alan

On 5/28/2014 11:19 AM, Jim Stewart wrote:

From: Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com
A couple of times I have had the system that I recently set up get
confused in RDAirplay on the log.  In some cases it seems to have
jumped out of place, or most recently, it just forgot half the day.


Yep, me too.  I consider Rivendell's interaction with the MySQL database by far 
the biggest downside of Rivendell as in that is what I consistently have 
trouble with (other than steps in macros being skipped over, which is probably 
related anyway).  Oh and my RDAirplay still occasionally crashes around 
midnight when attempting chain to the next day's log, but I have a silence 
sense that catches it and relaunches RDAirplay.  On the plus side the actual 
audio playout engine (CAED) operating through Jackd has been totally amazing 
rock solid for me and I don't even use those expensive ASI sound cards.

So our staff always checks to see that a log is complete to the end of the day 
anytime a log is edited or created as sometimes it is not.  I also have 
troubles with cart numbers disappearing from buttons on RDAirplay's button 
widget from time to time.  (Note: I hate ALL databases, do any exist that are 
solid and reliable without requiring expensive service contracts with their 
manufacturers to keep them that way?)

So perhaps related to all this, since I am not using the pre-configured 
Appliance, what possible special settings for the mysql database might improve 
things for Rivendell? What db engine (such as innoDB or myISAM) should I be 
using? For me, the mySQL server resides on the same machine as all the rest of 
Rivendell, I do NOT use the Win32 programs (don't trust them due to version 
differences that usually exist with my main RD install), but instead do remote 
X sessions (using Xming) to Windows machines to bring up remote views of 
auxiliary RD programs from the main Rivendell machine.

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[RDD] Log Edit problem or Chair to keyboard interface issue?

[Alan Smith]

A couple of times I have had the system that I recently set up get 
confused in RDAirplay on the log.  In some cases it seems to have 
jumped out of place, or most recently, it just forgot half the day.


I have not witnessed this behavior directly [system is in another 
state], but I don't think the person operating it could be doing 
anything to cause this issue.


HOWEVER, all that saidwhat he is doing is using either RDLogEdit on 
the machine itself OR the win32 build of RDLogEdit to edit the CURRENTLY 
RUNNING LOG.


So is this a bug, OR is it NOT recommended to edit a currently running 
log that way [and use RDAirplay itself]?


The issue I *THINK* stems from it refreshing the log at the same 
instant that it is transitioning from one event to the next in RDAirplay.


This is all based on the old V2 appliance (RD 2.5.5, CentOS 6.4).

Other than that which has only happened a couple times, things are 
working GREAT!!!


-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Log Edit problem or Chair to keyboard interface issue?

[Alan Smith]

Thanks Hoggins!  At least I know I am not alone.

I too am using auto refresh.

Would it help to turn off auto refresh and force them to manually 
refresh the log, or does it still happen manually as well?


I would almost rather not go the manual route.  I don't know for 
certain, but I have a feeling if left up to the staff to manually 
refresh, they would forget and log changes would not be aired.


On searching the issue, I found this-not quite my issue, but wonder if 
its related?:


http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.radio.rivendell.user/7256

-Alan

On 5/27/2014 5:17 PM, Hoggins! wrote:

Hello Alan,

Happens to me quite often, and I've never been able to understand what
is the common cause. Sometimes it behaves well.
My logs all have auto refresh on, and the symptoms are *exactly* the
same as described here : either only one part of the log is showing, or
the refreshed log starts at a completely random place.

 Hoggins!

Le 27/05/2014 21:03, Alan Smith a écrit :

A couple of times I have had the system that I recently set up get
confused in RDAirplay on the log.  In some cases it seems to have
jumped out of place, or most recently, it just forgot half the day.

I have not witnessed this behavior directly [system is in another
state], but I don't think the person operating it could be doing
anything to cause this issue.

HOWEVER, all that saidwhat he is doing is using either RDLogEdit
on the machine itself OR the win32 build of RDLogEdit to edit the
CURRENTLY RUNNING LOG.

So is this a bug, OR is it NOT recommended to edit a currently running
log that way [and use RDAirplay itself]?

The issue I *THINK* stems from it refreshing the log at the same
instant that it is transitioning from one event to the next in RDAirplay.

This is all based on the old V2 appliance (RD 2.5.5, CentOS 6.4).

Other than that which has only happened a couple times, things are
working GREAT!!!

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[RDD] Segue Marker Clarification

[Alan Smith]

I know this is super easy, and I am probably overlooking the obvious, 
but what exactly does the Segue END marker do?


I know the Segue START marker starts the next event, which overlaps with 
the currently playing event.


I did a search, and getting some mixed results.

One result suggested the segue start caused a fade of the currently 
playing track until the seg end marker...I thought the system just 
overlapped the audio WITHOUT fading [otherwise there would be no need 
for the fade markers that I can see]; if you want a fade out while 
segueing, I assumed that is what the fade markers were for.


 So I think I get the purpose of all the markers, except for the segue 
end one.


 Sorry for the confusion.  Our current system only allows you to set 
the overlap point.  That is all you can set.  Any fades have to be 
recorded into the source material, so this is a little new.


-Alan

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Re: [RDD] Segue Marker Clarification

[Alan Smith]

I think I may have answered my own question...I had a light bulb moment:

This is just a logical GUESS.  Please someone confirm or clarify if I 
have this wrong:


Markers all come down to the transition type:

If the transition type is PLAY, segue markers are ignored, and the cut 
plays until the Cut End marker.


If the transition type is set to SEGUE, cut plays until the Segue End 
marker and NOT Cut End marker?


Have I got this right?

-Alan
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[RDD] General Clock Question

[Alan Smith]

Hi Everyone,

  I have a very basic, easy question:

Lets say you are a music format, and you have liners on your clock going 
into and out of an imported commercial break.


If the break is empty, is there an easy way to have Rivendell not play 
both liners back to back?


I tried putting my liner in the the pre-import and post-import 
section of the traffic import event, but it still put both liners on the 
log.


Thanks!

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Qt Polymer theme on Broadcast Appliance 2

[Alan Smith]

NICE!  Thank you!!!  I had never heard of QT Polymer being new to 
Linux, but that was the FIRST thing I noticed going from BA1 to BA2-No 
checks in selected boxes.


Thank you again for all that you do!

-Alan

On 5/16/2014 9:33 AM, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:48 AM, Administration 
ad...@itsyourmuzic.com mailto:ad...@itsyourmuzic.com wrote:


me as well, im thinking it is like KDE somewhat?


Polymer is actually a port of the 'Plastik' KDE theme with the KDE 
dependencies removed.  It's basically 'eye candy' -- it makes the GUI 
prettier, but doesn't affect any actual functionality.


Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] Broadcast Appliance v2.6.5.1

[Alan Smith]

I had been thinking about asking if the appliance would occasionally be 
refreshed.


Its kind of funny.  I just finished my system that I have been working 
on based on the previous appliance and shipped it out TODAY.


LOL, so I am easily amused.

Anyway, downloading now, and looking forward to it!

Thank you again for everything!

-Alan

PS  Minor detail, but the accompanying installation instructions still 
say CentOS 6.4.  I am assuming nothing really changed in the install 
procedure, but thought I'd pass that along.


On 5/16/2014 5:04 PM, Fred Gleason wrote:
I'm pleased to announce the release of the latest version of Broadcast 
Appliance, v2.6.5.1, based on CentOS 6.5. Information and download 
links are available at


http://www.paravelsystems.com/appliance.html

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Re: [RDD] Qt Polymer theme on Broadcast Appliance 2

[Alan Smith]

Anyone care to post any screenshots? Got me curious now...

On 5/15/2014 8:25 PM, Chester Graham wrote:
Changes the style of the operating system, makes the menus and 
checkbox menus more readable. Dresses up the user interface a little.

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Re: [RDD] (no subject)

[Alan Smith]

That is what I thought.  I am thinking that speed 10 actually is 
100.000%, but its just a wild guess.


-Alan

On 5/9/2014 11:06 AM, Mike Carroll wrote:
Length is the length in milliseconds.  59*60 + 16.7 = 3556.7 * 1000 = 
3556700.


Dunno about speed. Maybe a speedup/slowdown value for playback?


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 8:41 AM, John Edstrom johnedst...@firebare.org 
mailto:johnedst...@firebare.org wrote:


A quick question on the RD entries in syslog.

There's a cart with one cut, as a specific example where the .wav file
is about 649M (59:16.7 duration) and the system sample rate is 48k.

The corresponding entry in syslog when that cut loads  unloads is
mostly self explanatory except I'm not clear on Length: 3556728, and
speed: 10.  I can't see an obvious relation between those numbers
and what I know about the cut.

The system is working fine. I'm just curious.

  JE


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Re: [RDD] Rivendell Operations Guide

[Alan Smith]

Hmmm...I am a little confused.  I find the current ROG to be excellent.  
It is very informative, easy to understand, and does a great job of 
explaining the entire Rivendell Operation.  Granted, it doesn't cover 
operating system specific setups and installations, but that is beyond 
the scope of the guide.


I think what some are really wanting is a Rivendell Administrator's 
guide.  I know that it is difficult to cover all the bases, but I do 
wish there was a guide that explained every function in RDAdmin. 
Fortunately, most of it is intuitive, but that guide sure would be nice.


-Alan
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Re: [RDD] RDCatch wildcard question

[Alan Smith]

Thanks for this Robert!  It is a little above me right now, but I will 
tuck this info away for future use.


As it stands right now, things aren't so bad.  This station I am working 
on went from manually downloading and importing the voice tracks for 
over a half dozen shows throughout each week, to ONE. I was able to 
automate the download/import process of all other shows with RDCatch.


-Alan

On 5/7/2014 3:05 PM, Robert Jeffares wrote:
I have never managed to get RD Catch to use wildcards, and it's picky 
about some filenames



the solution is to run a shell script using cron on the same day each 
week and the same time




as an example here is my download of a programme which is available 
after 5pm Tuesday to Thursday


first the crontab line

35 18 * * 2-4 /home/rd/shellscripts/thamesTodayInParliament.sh 
/dev/null


This is the script

#! /bin/bash
# first remove old files
rm /home/rd/dropbox/parliament*.mp3

#set the variables
dateline=$(date +%d-%m-%y)
monthline=$(date +%m)
year=$(date +%Y)
#download this is parliament
#items are posted to server before 5pm
wget -O /home/rd/dropbox/parliamentToday-$dateline.mp3 
http://parliamenttoday.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/$year/$monthline/parliament-today-$dateline.mp3

# cart it
rdimport --verbose --normalization-level=-13 --to-cart=2719 
--delete-cuts --create-enddate-offset=1 FEATURE 
/home/rd/dropbox/parliamentToday-$dateline.mp3


# if there is none the endate feature means nothing plays

exit 0

You can hack this to suit.

mmddyy-mmddyy

could be

startdate=$(date --date=+ 5 days +%m%d%y)
endate=$(date --date=+ 11 days +%m%d%y)

you need to work out what to put in to get the right numbers on the 
day you download the file(s)


so you use
SHOWX_$startdate-$endate_hour1segment1.mp3

in the wget line


hope that helps

regards

Robert Jeffares
Big Valley Radio
Thames New Zealand



On 08/05/14 06:37, Alan Smith wrote:
I don't know what the linux equivalent is, but in the windows world 
what I am looking for is either a ? or a * to be used in RDCatch. Can 
those types of wildcards be used?


The longer, better explanation:

I am trying to automate as many ftp downloads as I possibly can.  I 
am on the last show.  Unfortunately, the filenames used are:


SHOWX_mmddyy-mmddyy_hour1segment1.mp3

Where dd represents a broadcast date range, example: 050814-051414

Since I can't construct both of those dates in the RDCatch event, i 
was hoping for something like this:


SHOWX_*-*_segment1.mp3

or

SHOWX_??-??_hour1segment1.mp3

Can it be done, or is this one that is going to have to be done 
manually...


Thanks!

-Alan
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[RDD] RDCatch wildcard question

[Alan Smith]

I don't know what the linux equivalent is, but in the windows world what 
I am looking for is either a ? or a * to be used in RDCatch. Can those 
types of wildcards be used?


The longer, better explanation:

I am trying to automate as many ftp downloads as I possibly can.  I am 
on the last show.  Unfortunately, the filenames used are:


SHOWX_mmddyy-mmddyy_hour1segment1.mp3

Where dd represents a broadcast date range, example:  050814-051414

Since I can't construct both of those dates in the RDCatch event, i was 
hoping for something like this:


SHOWX_*-*_segment1.mp3

or

SHOWX_??-??_hour1segment1.mp3

Can it be done, or is this one that is going to have to be done manually...

Thanks!

-Alan
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[RDD] OT: Clone Appliance Hard Drive-Raid 1

[Alan Smith]

Hi Everyone,

  Another not-quite-Rivendell related question here, but I know there 
are some brilliant minds around here...


I have a Rivendell stand-alone based on the appliance v2.  I have a LOT 
of work invested in this, and I would like to clone the hard drive(s).


The problem is during installation, I set up the appliance on a software 
Raid 1 array.


I have googled, but have read mixed results on cloning Linux MD Raid.

In my mind, it can't be that hard, but some suggest it can't be done 
with the tools I have.


The tools I have available to me are:

Ghost 2003 (Dos boot floppy)
Acronis True Image WD Edition
Knoppix

In my mind, if I do a sector copy, and copy one drive at a time, it 
shouldn't matter if the cloning software can read the filesystem or not...


Am I off base here?

Thanks for any tips,

-Alan

PS  I seem to think maybe dd (under Knoppix?) is the way to go, but 
since I will be cloning to an identical drive, how can I be sure which 
one is which?  Having never used dd I don't want to destroy my work!

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Re: [RDD] apostrophe

[Alan Smith]

Adding to this, I also noticed when you add a new cart, you can't type 
one in either.  Oddly enough, once the new cart is created and you are 
brought to the Cart Info screen, THEN you can type them in the cart title.


-Alan

On 5/1/2014 1:24 AM, Gavin Stephens wrote:
I thought at soem stage in RD 2 the apostrophe was allowed as a song 
title/search option?


I can paste them in to RDLibrary and it works fine but I can't seem to 
type them.


Cheers,
Gavin.


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Re: [RDD] New platfom.

[Alan Smith]

I haven't been around long enough to know what it was like back then, 
but I can only imagine what it was like.


From a newbie perspective, the appliance DVD was the greatest thing 
since sliced bread.  I find Rivendell easy to use and very intuitive.  
The great majority of questions I have had have pretty much been non 
Rivendell questions...like redundancy (Raid), email failure 
notifications (postfix), networking, etc.  Although they could fall 
under the wiki and/or forums I suppose, there is plenty of info out 
there on these subjects already on the underlying OS.


I am up for anything, so I will go with the flow, but to get an 
operational system going off the appliance is pretty easy. Although some 
hand-holding might be required to the absolute newcomer, it really isn't 
so bad.  Maybe an entire rewrite of the wiki wouldn't be necessary.  
Maybe a couple new sections Paravel Appliance v1, Paravel Appliance 
v2, etc.  I don't know, just throwing that out there.


-Alan

On 4/29/2014 7:39 AM, Frederick Gleason wrote:

On Apr 29, 2014, at 08:33 25, Rick rickc...@home.nl wrote:


in my opinion once the wiki is updated there is no real need for any new 
initiative

I tend to agree.  The Google move would just be to better maintain the existing 
mailing list [Rivendell-dev].

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] NEW PLATFORM

[Alan Smith]

Just reading everything that is going along here, and I had thought of 
that as well.  Big problem though is exactly how do you do it?


I mean there are guys like me that are starting out fresh on the latest 
appliance, which a lot of that info doesn't apply (and can really 
confuse a newcomer such as myself), BUT...


There are a lot of folks out there i am sure that are using much older 
versions that probably use the wiki as a resource of information.


Off Topic, but not really-that is one of the BIGGEST challenges I have 
faced moving to Linux.  Its not the *lack* of information, its the 
overload of information, and you have to really pay attention to find 
out what applies, what doesn't, and to which version's the info apply too.


Just my nickels worth.

-Alan

On 4/28/2014 12:37 PM, Chester Graham wrote:


What about just getting the wiki up to date and better organized?

On Apr 28, 2014 1:33 PM, Cowboy c...@cwf1.com 
mailto:c...@cwf1.com wrote:


On Monday 28 April 2014 12:08:28 pm Larry Owen wrote:
 Here's a handy google tip.  You can specify to search a specific
type.
 Try this in the google search box:

 cart error
site:http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/

 Wow !

 I knew google would do that, but I didn't know it would
 do it that well !

 Scratch my previous.

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Re: [RDD] Ultimate Plan for rivendell (need help along the way)

[Alan Smith]

Rual,

  I am fairly new to Rivendell myself; I have read all your messages, 
but I can't quite make our what you do and don't know about Rivendell.


Although you are in the right place for support, this list has been 
geared towards answering specific questions.  Not really that good for a 
walk-through.


The easiest thing to do is grab a copy of the latest official 
appliance DVD.  That will install a pre-configured almost ready-to-go 
system. The reason I say official is there are other appliance disks 
out there, but this one is put out by the developer himself, and you can 
obtain commercial support for Rivendell as long as you are using a 
system based on the appliance.  You can get it here:


http://www.paravelsystems.com/appliance.html

Note:  It requires a minimum of a 300gig hard drive to install.

And a copy of the latest Rivendell Operations Guide here:

http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Rivendell_Operations_Guide

The answers to most specific questions can be found on the wiki here:

http://rivendell.tryphon.org/wiki/Main_Page

A word of caution-In my opinion the wiki is in desperate need of a 
re-write.  Some information appears to be out of date.


I know that is a lot of information to take in on the wiki, but the 
truth is between the appliance DVD and the Rivendell Operations Guide 
(rog) it really is pretty easy to set up.  I know when I first started, 
I was trying to make things harder than they really are.


Hope this helps you get started!

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Networking/Workgroup Question

[Alan Smith]

Thanks Cowboy Gavin.  Although I am familiar with unc connections, I 
almost never use them.  I usually just browse the network to locate my 
resource, so I brain-farted and never even tried to connect to Rivendell 
via unc.


It worked PERFECTLY!

-Alan

On 4/24/2014 10:55 PM, Gavin Stephens wrote:

Yeah what he said :o)

I'm not a great either of how Windows shares the main drive by default 
too. You can see that via the maangement console. I get nervous around 
Windows networking, I still disable the server service and use FTP or 
SSH to access Rivendell.


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On Thursday 24 April 2014 02:35:48 pm Alan Smith wrote:

because our group has about 100 computers, and no domain, so I have
several workgroups, but the only time a windows machine can see any
Rivendell system is if its in the same workgroup as Rivendell.


Shortest...
In the explorer browse bar,
\\IP.of.any.machine\
should find that machine, as long as it has a windows name daemon 
running.


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Re: [RDD] Audio Import Question

[Alan Smith]

Thanks Tim, appreciate the advice and it all made perfect sense 
(unbelievably since I am new to Linux).


  I am not THAT afraid of backup/restore, but there are some little 
things that bother me about this transition from v1 to v2.  I really 
don't want to bore with all the tech details, but here are a few:


I had a thread that I let die...This v1 will go off air for no apparent 
reason about once a week.  No errors, no crashes, RDAirplay keeps on 
trucking along like everything is fine, but the only thing that comes 
out of the soundcard when this happens is silence.  A reboot fixes it, 
and it hasn't happened again since this was brought to my attention so I 
don't know if just closing/reopening RDAirplay is enough to bring it 
back.  I suspect a faulty sound card, but all this is moot point for now 
since I am going to be replacing the machine with v2.  *In the off 
chance something in the database is doing it, I don't want to take the 
chance of moving the issue to the new machine*.


I can't remember exactly where, but something in rdadmin on this v1 
machine (I think its manage services) I have the same service listed 
TWICE.  I don't know how that happened, or what ramifications that might 
have.  I delete them, recreate one, and it shows up twice again.


I did a very poor job of setting this one up.  Never having been a jock, 
pd, etc I am at a huge disadvantage when setting up automation.  I 
wanted to automate EVERYTHING.  The pd at the time insisted he wanted 
almost complete manual control of everything, such as picking the music 
to be inserted in between syndicated programing (which is obtained via 
download).  He also wanted to manually insert the segments for all the 
syndicated programming. Long story short, he was the ONLY ONE who knew 
the system (besides me, and that's not saying much), and he QUIT.


Anyway, can you say Train Wreck, so now we have them life boating by 
completely doing away with all syndicated programming for now, and I am 
madly at work getting v2 setup COMPLETELY AUTOMATED this time.  We are 
doing music logs from our location, and they are doing traffic logs from 
theirs.


I know this was all poorly planned, and I accept some responsibility for 
this mess, but I wasn't ready for my very first Rivendell system to go 
to production, but apparently they thought I was.


Anyway, so I am making a fresh start, and is one of the reasons I have 
flooded the list lately with so many questions, and those are just a few 
of the reasons why I don't really want to do a restore in this 
particular instance.


-Alan
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Re: [RDD] ssh on appliance v2; Appliance and/or CentOS6 bug?

[Alan Smith]

I think I may have found a small snag that *may* have been the root 
cause of my slow/hanging ssh...


The appliance v2 by default setups up the hostname to rdhost. Of 
course that is EASILY changed after installation (there are many how-tos 
on this; its very simple).


HOWEVER, when troubleshooting a different issue, I logged into my router 
to see its dhcp client table, and the hostname listed for my v2 was the 
default hostname (rdhost).  How could that be, when I changed it...


As it turns out, the instructions for changing the hostname (all the 
ones I have found anyway) DO NOT change the following line:


DHCP_HOSTNAME=x

In the following file:

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts

Whether that is on purpose, or an oversight I don't know, but thought 
I'd pass that along if you experience any dns related issues.


-Alan

On 4/24/2014 10:16 AM, Frederick Gleason wrote:

On Apr 22, 2014, at 14:47 53, Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com wrote:


When using putty to connect it takes a while before my password prompt is 
displayed.

Likely a DNS problem.  Make sure you’ve to the resolver pointing to a valid DNS 
server in ‘/etc/resolv.conf’.  Like so:

nameserver 75.75.75.75

Cheers!


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Re: [RDD] ssh on appliance v2; Appliance and/or CentOS6 bug?

[Alan Smith]

I should have put that is my last reply:  I do always use a static IP 
and will set it once this machine goes to its final resting home.  I 
just haven't bothered to set a static IP yet while configuring it for 
its final destination (the IP scheme will change).


Thanks Mr. Gleason for all that you do.

-Alan

On 4/25/2014 2:14 PM, Frederick Gleason wrote:

On Apr 25, 2014, at 13:48 50, Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com wrote:


Whether that is on purpose, or an oversight I don't know, but thought I'd pass 
that along if you experience any dns related issues.

FWIW, you really don’t want to be using DHCP for a Rivendell system, as various 
things (e.g. log chaining) will break if the IP address in the host record in 
RDAdmin is incorrect.  Use a static setup if at all possible.

Cheers!


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[RDD] View Songs with no scheduler code set

[Alan Smith]

While this is fresh on my mind:

There doesn't appear to be a way in RDLibrary to view only songs with 
no scheduler code set (Unless I am missing something).


Would be a nice feature to see if someone forgot to set a code on some 
of the music.


-Alan
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[RDD] Audio Import Question

[Alan Smith]

The short version:

  When you import audio, and it goes through its processes (autotrim, 
normalization, etc) does it actually change anything on the audio file 
itself, or does all the processing occur non-destructively [as in 
database parameters]?


The longer explanation:

  Due to a variety of reasons [one of which is the systems just stops 
outputting audio about once a week], I am going to be replacing my very 
first Rivendell system that is based on the appliance v1 with a newer 
system based on appliance v2.


  I really do NOT feel comfortable trying to backup the database, move 
the audio, and restoring the database.  We luckily happen to have an 
opportunity to start fresh, and I only need a couple hundred songs off 
the original system.  My intention is the copy the audio, and import 
them into the new system.


Any flaws with that plan?

Thank you so much,

-Alan
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Re: [RDD] Audio Import Question

[Alan Smith]

Thanks for getting back with me.  I didn't think of that when I made my 
post.  Obviously, if a file originates as mp3 then it gets converted 
when it gets imported into rivendell.


Going to give this a shot anyway.  I am basically going to copy all the 
audio that I need off of the old v1, and import it into v2.  The good 
news here is I am going from 48k .wav to the same. I was just concerned 
about normalizing twice when I bring it into v2.


Again, just not comfortable with backing up audio/database from v1 and 
restoring to v2 at this time.


We definitely got off to a bad start with my first machine due to a 
variety of reasons...staff, technical, my own lack of knowledge, and the 
powers above me wanting to ship my first system to the other side of the 
country when I wasn't ready yet...but I am NOT giving up!


-Alan

On 4/24/2014 10:18 AM, Frederick Gleason wrote:

On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:01 42, Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com wrote:


  When you import audio, and it goes through its processes (autotrim, 
normalization, etc) does it actually change anything on the audio file itself, 
or does all the processing occur non-destructively [as in database parameters]?

It depends on the specifics of the formats involves, but YES, audio can be 
modified during an import (sample rate change, channelization, etc).

Cheers!


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[RDD] Appliance Networking/Workgroup Question

[Alan Smith]

Just wondering, why does a windows computer need to be in the 
rivendell workgroup to see it?


I know there is some mis-information out there that suggests that you 
always have to be in the same workgroup, but I know that isn't true...


I have a CentOS 6.4 samba server I recently set up at work and you don't 
have to be in the same workgroup to see it.


Also, I can see Rivendell from my primary machine [Linux Mint], but it 
only seems to be Windows machines that can't see it...well XP anyway [my 
former primary OS].


Thanks!

-Alan


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Networking/Workgroup Question

[Alan Smith]

Thanks Cowboy-I will have to dig into this a little deeper later, 
because our group has about 100 computers, and no domain, so I have 
several workgroups, but the only time a windows machine can see any 
Rivendell system is if its in the same workgroup as Rivendell.


Obviously we aren't using Rivendell for our automation systems *yet*, 
but its a long term goal of mine.


I apologize to the group for flooding the list with lots of questions 
lately.  When you are used to doing things the windows way for almost 
20 years, its VERY hard to play catch up.


I have only recently forced myself to personally abandon Windows almost 
completely.  [I'm convinced open source is the way of the future of 
computing].


-Alan

On 4/24/2014 1:23 PM, Cowboy wrote:

On Thursday 24 April 2014 02:07:54 pm Alan Smith wrote:

Just wondering, why does a windows computer need to be in the
rivendell workgroup to see it?

  Short answer:  It doesn't.


I know there is some mis-information out there that suggests that you
always have to be in the same workgroup, but I know that isn't true...

  Slightly longer answer :
  The concept of a windows workgroup is basically to tell *that* machine
  to hide other machines not claiming to be in that workgroup from the user
  because this user is much too stupid to know what he's looking at.

  If you think of windows as a glorified video game, it all makes sense.




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Re: [RDD] ssh on appliance v2

[Alan Smith]

This problem reared its ugly head again today.  Looks like the REAL fix
was to set UseDNS no in sshd.conf.

It was working fine on a LAN, but when I tried remoting in from off
site, it got REAL slow again.

I don't quite understand it-none of our sites have an in-house dns
server, but I guess for whatever reason this box didn't like the router
it was connected to?  (I always set my windows machines to the IP
address of the router for the DNS entry, and did the same for my other
centos box).

-Alan

On 4/22/2014 8:31 PM, Rick Thomas wrote:

I found by disabling GSSIAuthentication in the sshd.conf file I was
finally able to connect

I don't know if this helps any, but it appears that GSSAuthentication
may not be implemented on the Rivendell Appliance{*}, and causes some
kind of time-out when called.  So disabling it avoids the timeout.
   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_Security_Services_Application_Program_Interface

{*} Or it may be implemented on the Rivendell, but not implemented in
your Putty, causing SSH on the Rivendell to request something from
Putty that Putty does not recognize and allows the request to time
out.

In either case, disabling it on the Rivendell is unlikely to do any
harm that isn't already done by connecting with a client that doesn't
recognize it..

Hope that helps,

Rick

On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com wrote:

An update again for posterity:

After much research, fiddling, and trial an error I finally got ssl/ssh vnc
viewer to connect to x11vnc via ssh on its own.

Whether right, or wrong (if by doing this I am breaking something, or
compromising something PLEASE someone chime in), I found by disabling
GSSIAuthentication in the sshd.conf file I was finally able to connect.

I have no idea what one has to do with the other, but not only did it allow
me to finally get in, but it also substantially reduced the delay of the
password prompt.  Only thing I can figure is the large delay must have
caused some timeout issue.  Its just a SWAG based on my extremely limited
knowledge of linux.

-Alan


On 4/22/2014 4:03 PM, Alan Smith wrote:

Thanks Gary, but I am making progress.SLOW progress.  I would love an
explanation if someone wouldn't mind:

I got rid of the errors by enabling x11 forwarding in putty.  Okay, sounds
fair enough, except that the CentOS box I just set up doesn't have x11
forwarding enabled and I don't get any error messages when I log in.  Also,
it still hangs for a moment before prompting me for my password.  My other
box asks instantly.

The only thing I can figure is the installation of x11vnc on the Rivendell
v2 appliance must have something to do with it.  I use tiger-vnc on my other
box because I don't want to connect to a physical display.

Anyway, I FINALLY have x11vnc working over ssh now using putty and ssl/ssh
vnc viewer.

What I can't seem to make work now is using ONLY ssl/ssh vnc viewer.  Also,
when trying it stalls for almost a minute it seems before prompting for my
password.

Baby steps...

-Alan

On 4/22/2014 2:17 PM, Gary wrote:

As an aside, I installed the RDD appliance on VMWare workstation and RDD
didn't even show up, even though the Centos installed fine.  I am wondering
what am I missing?  Regarding the ssh, there is a video config setting
somewhere in the config but not sure of the details sorry.

On Tuesday, April 22, 2014 2:48 PM, Alan Smith alansm...@flinn.com wrote:

I am trying to set up ssh on the appliance v2.  When using putty to
connect it takes a while before my password prompt is displayed. Once I
am finally logged in, I get the following errors:

xset:  unable to open display 
xset:  unable to open display 
xhost:  unable to open display 

   This is on a fresh virgin install of appliance v2.

I recently set up a non rivendell box on CentOS 6.4 and got this working
with very little effort.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

-Alan
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