Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

Good advice.

This was a fresh install from the appliance DVD. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 6:30 PM, Gregg Wonderly  wrote:
> 
> Blind updates on production machines without validation on another machine 
> and without backups is quite problematic.  
> 
> Backups with ZFS snapshots might also be something to look into as a simple, 
> zero impact backup mechanism to help you manage the impact of updates.
> 
> Gregg
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Lorne Tyndale  wrote:
>> 
>> Based on what you've described, I suspect that if you were running Jack
>> it would work.
>> 
>> I agree that on a Rivendell appliance OS upgrades in general should be
>> avoided.  After all the Rivendell machine shouldn't be on the internet
>> in the first place but instead on a private LAN where the usual thought
>> of "update to avoid security holes" doesn't necessarily apply.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think you are misunderstanding what was happening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the card is set at 48000 with the new drivers, RD cannot "see" the card 
>>> at all. It is reported as not being installed by RD Admin.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If rdalsaconfig is set to 44.1 and RD is restarted, the card is seen as 
>>> installed by RD, but on playback the audio becomes noisy and corrupted.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If you go into rdalsaconfig, change the sample rate to 48000 and restart 
>>> the daemons, the audio card is no longer reported as installed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The card and the machine worked properly under 48000 when the appliance was 
>>> initially installed. Something that gets updated during the OS update 
>>> process is changed and causes this issue with my machine.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It is simply going to receive GPI closures and play back station ID's, so I 
>>> am not really wanting to do much with this unit other than take the path of 
>>> least resistance to get it to function. If it were one of our playout 
>>> machines, that would be a different story.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve Varholy
>>> President and General Manager
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: John Stanley 
>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:15:36 PM
>>> To: Steve Varholy
>>> Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
>>> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 2016-12-16 at 18:32 +, Steve Varholy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they
>>>> were curious to see whether they had an issue as well.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine.
>>>> Where the onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy
>>>> at 48000, the card under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at
>>>> 44.1 and the resulting audio is terrible.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will
>>>> resolve the issue.
>>> 
>>> It's not that it is happy...Alsa defaults to 48kHz in RHEL/CentOS. What
>>> this does is change the default rate. If you look in the RD logs you
>>> will or should see the error where this happens. You also need to make
>>> sure RD is set at 44100kHz also in the Admim settings.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Could you try this before going further:
>>> 
>>> ### put in  /root/.asoundrc
>>> 
>>> pcm.!default {
>>> type rate
>>> slave {
>>> pcm "plughw:0,0"
>>> rate 44100
>>> }
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Gregg Wonderly]

Blind updates on production machines without validation on another machine and 
without backups is quite problematic.  

Backups with ZFS snapshots might also be something to look into as a simple, 
zero impact backup mechanism to help you manage the impact of updates.

Gregg

> On Dec 16, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Lorne Tyndale  wrote:
> 
> Based on what you've described, I suspect that if you were running Jack
> it would work.
> 
> I agree that on a Rivendell appliance OS upgrades in general should be
> avoided.  After all the Rivendell machine shouldn't be on the internet
> in the first place but instead on a private LAN where the usual thought
> of "update to avoid security holes" doesn't necessarily apply.
> 
>> 
>> I think you are misunderstanding what was happening.
>> 
>> 
>> If the card is set at 48000 with the new drivers, RD cannot "see" the card 
>> at all. It is reported as not being installed by RD Admin.
>> 
>> 
>> If rdalsaconfig is set to 44.1 and RD is restarted, the card is seen as 
>> installed by RD, but on playback the audio becomes noisy and corrupted.
>> 
>> 
>> If you go into rdalsaconfig, change the sample rate to 48000 and restart the 
>> daemons, the audio card is no longer reported as installed.
>> 
>> 
>> The card and the machine worked properly under 48000 when the appliance was 
>> initially installed. Something that gets updated during the OS update 
>> process is changed and causes this issue with my machine.
>> 
>> 
>> It is simply going to receive GPI closures and play back station ID's, so I 
>> am not really wanting to do much with this unit other than take the path of 
>> least resistance to get it to function. If it were one of our playout 
>> machines, that would be a different story.
>> 
>> 
>> Steve Varholy
>> President and General Manager
>> 
>> [1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>> 
>> 
>> The Historic Barringer Building
>> 
>> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>> 
>> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>> 
>> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
>> 
>> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>> 
>> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>> 
>> 
>> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
>> 
>> 
>> From: John Stanley 
>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:15:36 PM
>> To: Steve Varholy
>> Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
>> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
>> 
>> On Fri, 2016-12-16 at 18:32 +, Steve Varholy wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they
>>> were curious to see whether they had an issue as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine.
>>> Where the onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy
>>> at 48000, the card under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at
>>> 44.1 and the resulting audio is terrible.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will
>>> resolve the issue.
>> 
>> It's not that it is happy...Alsa defaults to 48kHz in RHEL/CentOS. What
>> this does is change the default rate. If you look in the RD logs you
>> will or should see the error where this happens. You also need to make
>> sure RD is set at 44100kHz also in the Admim settings.
>> 
>> 
>> Could you try this before going further:
>> 
>> ### put in  /root/.asoundrc
>> 
>> pcm.!default {
>> type rate
>> slave {
>> pcm "plughw:0,0"
>> rate 44100
>> }
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Lorne Tyndale]

Based on what you've described, I suspect that if you were running Jack
it would work.

I agree that on a Rivendell appliance OS upgrades in general should be
avoided.  After all the Rivendell machine shouldn't be on the internet
in the first place but instead on a private LAN where the usual thought
of "update to avoid security holes" doesn't necessarily apply.

> 
> I think you are misunderstanding what was happening.
> 
> 
> If the card is set at 48000 with the new drivers, RD cannot "see" the card at 
> all. It is reported as not being installed by RD Admin.
> 
> 
> If rdalsaconfig is set to 44.1 and RD is restarted, the card is seen as 
> installed by RD, but on playback the audio becomes noisy and corrupted.
> 
> 
> If you go into rdalsaconfig, change the sample rate to 48000 and restart the 
> daemons, the audio card is no longer reported as installed.
> 
> 
> The card and the machine worked properly under 48000 when the appliance was 
> initially installed. Something that gets updated during the OS update process 
> is changed and causes this issue with my machine.
> 
> 
> It is simply going to receive GPI closures and play back station ID's, so I 
> am not really wanting to do much with this unit other than take the path of 
> least resistance to get it to function. If it were one of our playout 
> machines, that would be a different story.
> 
> 
> Steve Varholy
> President and General Manager
> 
> [1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
> 
> 
> The Historic Barringer Building
> 
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
> 
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
> 
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
> 
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
> 
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
> 
> 
> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
> 
> ____
> From: John Stanley 
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:15:36 PM
> To: Steve Varholy
> Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
> 
> On Fri, 2016-12-16 at 18:32 +, Steve Varholy wrote:
> >
> > Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.
> >
> >
> > The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they
> > were curious to see whether they had an issue as well.
> >
> >
> > The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine.
> > Where the onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy
> > at 48000, the card under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at
> > 44.1 and the resulting audio is terrible.
> >
> >
> > I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will
> > resolve the issue.
> 
> It's not that it is happy...Alsa defaults to 48kHz in RHEL/CentOS. What
> this does is change the default rate. If you look in the RD logs you
> will or should see the error where this happens. You also need to make
> sure RD is set at 44100kHz also in the Admim settings.
> 
> 
> Could you try this before going further:
> 
> ### put in  /root/.asoundrc
> 
> pcm.!default {
> type rate
> slave {
> pcm "plughw:0,0"
> rate 44100
> }
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Cowboy]

On Friday 16 December 2016 02:27:28 pm Steve Varholy wrote:
>  Something that gets updated during the OS update process is changed and 
> causes this issue with my machine.

 And once again, justifying my policy of NOT updating, absent a compelling 
reason to do so.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

I think you are misunderstanding what was happening.


If the card is set at 48000 with the new drivers, RD cannot "see" the card at 
all. It is reported as not being installed by RD Admin.


If rdalsaconfig is set to 44.1 and RD is restarted, the card is seen as 
installed by RD, but on playback the audio becomes noisy and corrupted.


If you go into rdalsaconfig, change the sample rate to 48000 and restart the 
daemons, the audio card is no longer reported as installed.


The card and the machine worked properly under 48000 when the appliance was 
initially installed. Something that gets updated during the OS update process 
is changed and causes this issue with my machine.


It is simply going to receive GPI closures and play back station ID's, so I am 
not really wanting to do much with this unit other than take the path of least 
resistance to get it to function. If it were one of our playout machines, that 
would be a different story.


Steve Varholy
President and General Manager

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The Historic Barringer Building

1338 Main Street - Suite 202

Columbia, South Carolina 29201

Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251

Direct: (803) 404-5535

Cell: (703) 585-2101


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From: John Stanley 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:15:36 PM
To: Steve Varholy
Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

On Fri, 2016-12-16 at 18:32 +, Steve Varholy wrote:
>
> Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.
>
>
> The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they
> were curious to see whether they had an issue as well.
>
>
> The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine.
> Where the onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy
> at 48000, the card under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at
> 44.1 and the resulting audio is terrible.
>
>
> I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will
> resolve the issue.

It's not that it is happy...Alsa defaults to 48kHz in RHEL/CentOS. What
this does is change the default rate. If you look in the RD logs you
will or should see the error where this happens. You also need to make
sure RD is set at 44100kHz also in the Admim settings.


Could you try this before going further:

### put in  /root/.asoundrc

pcm.!default {
type rate
slave {
pcm "plughw:0,0"
rate 44100
}
}


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[John Stanley]

On Fri, 2016-12-16 at 18:32 +, Steve Varholy wrote:
> 
> Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.
> 
> 
> The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they
> were curious to see whether they had an issue as well.
> 
> 
> The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine.
> Where the onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy
> at 48000, the card under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at
> 44.1 and the resulting audio is terrible. 
> 
> 
> I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will
> resolve the issue.

It's not that it is happy...Alsa defaults to 48kHz in RHEL/CentOS. What
this does is change the default rate. If you look in the RD logs you
will or should see the error where this happens. You also need to make
sure RD is set at 44100kHz also in the Admim settings.


Could you try this before going further:

### put in  /root/.asoundrc

pcm.!default {
type rate
slave {
pcm "plughw:0,0"
rate 44100
}
}


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

Hadn't gotten a chance to posting.


The answer is a qualified yes. Paravel gave me a call because they were curious 
to see whether they had an issue as well.


The CENTOS upgrade also updates the driver on my particular machine. Where the 
onboard soundcard driver in the original appliance is happy at 48000, the card 
under the upgraded driver only likes to be run at 44.1 and the resulting audio 
is terrible.


I have a new card arriving tomorrow. The thought is that it will resolve the 
issue.


If anyone has a HP Compaq Desktop PC 8000 Elite Core 2 Duo E8400 (3.00 GHz) 4 
GB you might expect the same issue.


The other alternative, if I wished to still use onboard sound, would be to 
simply not run the update/upgrade on the appliance.




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From: John Stanley 
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 12:52:33 PM
To: Steve Varholy
Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

On Mon, 2016-12-12 at 02:38 +, Steve Varholy wrote:

Did you solve this issue with the audio card?


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[John Stanley]

On Mon, 2016-12-12 at 02:38 +, Steve Varholy wrote:

Did you solve this issue with the audio card?


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Gerard]

I had this problem and its not just related to the appliance install but no one 
seams to be able to work out whats going on but newer updates of Rivendell/ 
updates in general over write the sound card info its not related to the sample 
rate  

 

Im a newbie to lunix so I don’t know where to look or how to back door fix the 
problem but ironically  Rivendell and sound card support is poor and has been 
written of as not a problem as the core user base can get it working or have 
high end cards that are natively supported 

 

You may or may not have better luck with 

 

http://static.paravelsystems.com/rivendell-install/rivendell-install-rhel7.html 
 

 

caveat rh7   has little inbuilt support for older on board sound and network 
cards and the errors in the process have still not been corrected 

 

http://static.paravelsystems.com/rivendell-install/rivendell-install-rhel6.html

 

seams more solid for older systems  but ive still had sound card problems with 
dummy sound cards and set to zero levels that don’t respond to gui adjustment 
and no gui launching rdadmin 

ged

 

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[mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
Carroll
Sent: 12 December 2016 03:17
To: Steve Varholy ; John Anderson 
Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

 

Grasping at straws here, but perhaps this message thread applies?  It notes 
that the location of asound.state moved after some CentOS update.

 

http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2016-June/024460.html

 

 

On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM Steve Varholy mailto:st...@wxryfm.org> > wrote:

Yes and yes.

 

All I did is run update/upgrade after installation and testing to be sure 
everything worked in the original appliance install.

 

Something is causing the audio cards to no longer bee seen in rdadmin after the 
updating is done.

 

I have done nothing else other than run update on the appliance once the 
install and complete and confirmed as working.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 11, 2016, at 9:23 PM, John Anderson mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

 

No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or 
Rivendell's interface to ALSA.

 

RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.

Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what happens.

 



 

what is your sample rate set to?is the internal card properly assigned in 
in admin to play back properly...

 

the original sample rate might have been 44100, and got bumped to 48000 in 
later versions...

 

 

On Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Steve Varholy mailto:st...@wxryfm.org> > wrote:

 

Just did a fresh install of the appliance.

 

The onboard audio worked under Rivendell right out of the box.

 

Ran update/upgrade.

 

No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or 
Rivendell's interface to ALSA.

 

RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.

Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what happens.

 

Steve Varholy
President and General Manager



 

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Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251  

Direct: (803) 404-5535  

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<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>  
mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org> > on behalf of Wayne 
Merricks mailto:waynemerri...@thevoiceasia.com> >
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:17:44 AM
To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org 
<mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org> 
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue 

 

Hi,

Might be a long shot but I've had instances recently where some USB 
sound cards are not detected by Riv at all (I can't remember if 
rdalsaconfig listed them).  It was something to do with the card only 
supporting 24bit sound and whatever Riv does do swap between 16/32bit 
didn't work.

The only way I could use this card in the end was to use JACK first and 
make Riv use JACK instead of ALSA directly.

I didn't have the time to figure out why this would be the case..

Regards,

Wayne

On 2016-12-10 22:28, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the 
> /etc/asound.conf
> file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and 
> resave
> the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll 
> need
> to restart the Rivendell daemons.
>
> Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?
>
>>
>>
>> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM,

Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Mike Carroll]

Grasping at straws here, but perhaps this message thread applies?  It notes
that the location of asound.state moved after some CentOS update.

http://caspian.paravelsystems.com/pipermail/rivendell-dev/2016-June/024460.html


On Sun, Dec 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM Steve Varholy  wrote:

> Yes and yes.
>
> All I did is run update/upgrade after installation and testing to be sure
> everything worked in the original appliance install.
>
> Something is causing the audio cards to no longer bee seen in rdadmin
> after the updating is done.
>
> I have done nothing else other than run update on the appliance once the
> install and complete and confirmed as working.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 11, 2016, at 9:23 PM, John Anderson 
> wrote:
>
>
> No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or
> Rivendell's interface to ALSA.
>
> RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.
> Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what
> happens.
>
> 
>
> what is your sample rate set to?is the internal card properly assigned
> in in admin to play back properly...
>
> the original sample rate might have been 44100, and got bumped to 48000 in
> later versions...
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Steve Varholy 
> wrote:
>
>
> Just did a fresh install of the appliance.
>
> The onboard audio worked under Rivendell right out of the box.
>
> Ran update/upgrade.
>
> No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or
> Rivendell's interface to ALSA.
>
> RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.
> Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what
> happens.
>
> *Steve Varholy*
> President and General Manager
> [image: 1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>
> The Historic Barringer Building
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251 <(803)%20753-7260>
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>
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> *From:* rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org <
> rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org> on behalf of Wayne
> Merricks 
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:17:44 AM
> *To:* rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
> *Subject:* Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
>
> Hi,
>
> Might be a long shot but I've had instances recently where some USB
> sound cards are not detected by Riv at all (I can't remember if
> rdalsaconfig listed them).  It was something to do with the card only
> supporting 24bit sound and whatever Riv does do swap between 16/32bit
> didn't work.
>
> The only way I could use this card in the end was to use JACK first and
> make Riv use JACK instead of ALSA directly.
>
> I didn't have the time to figure out why this would be the case..
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne
>
> On 2016-12-10 22:28, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> > After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the
> > /etc/asound.conf
> > file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and
> > resave
> > the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll
> > need
> > to restart the Rivendell daemons.
> >
> > Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson
> >> mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom
> >> window are in use in rivendell
> >>
> >> so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window
> >> and save...
> >>
> >> if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it
> >> will not play in centos...
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> >>
> >> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy
> >> mailto:st...@wxryfm.org >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as
> >> originally installed.
> >>
> >> However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards
> >> present.
> >>
> >> Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it
> >> outside of Rivendell.
> >>
> >> S

Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

Yes and yes.

All I did is run update/upgrade after installation and testing to be sure 
everything worked in the original appliance install.

Something is causing the audio cards to no longer bee seen in rdadmin after the 
updating is done.

I have done nothing else other than run update on the appliance once the 
install and complete and confirmed as working.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 11, 2016, at 9:23 PM, John Anderson 
mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or 
Rivendell's interface to ALSA.

RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.
Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what happens.



what is your sample rate set to?is the internal card properly assigned in 
in admin to play back properly...

the original sample rate might have been 44100, and got bumped to 48000 in 
later versions...



On Sunday, December 11, 2016 7:29 PM, Steve Varholy 
mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:


Just did a fresh install of the appliance.

The onboard audio worked under Rivendell right out of the box.

Ran update/upgrade.

No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or 
Rivendell's interface to ALSA.

RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.
Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what happens.

Steve Varholy
President and General Manager
[1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]

The Historic Barringer Building
1338 Main Street - Suite 202
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
Direct: (803) 404-5535
Cell: (703) 585-2101

A Service of the Independent Media Foundation

From: 
rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
 
mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>>
 on behalf of Wayne Merricks 
mailto:waynemerri...@thevoiceasia.com>>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:17:44 AM
To: 
rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

Hi,

Might be a long shot but I've had instances recently where some USB
sound cards are not detected by Riv at all (I can't remember if
rdalsaconfig listed them).  It was something to do with the card only
supporting 24bit sound and whatever Riv does do swap between 16/32bit
didn't work.

The only way I could use this card in the end was to use JACK first and
make Riv use JACK instead of ALSA directly.

I didn't have the time to figure out why this would be the case..

Regards,

Wayne

On 2016-12-10 22:28, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the
> /etc/asound.conf
> file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and
> resave
> the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll
> need
> to restart the Rivendell daemons.
>
> Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?
>
>>
>>
>> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson
>> mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com><mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom
>> window are in use in rivendell
>>
>> so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window
>> and save...
>>
>> if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it
>> will not play in centos...
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy
>> mailto:st...@wxryfm.org><mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as
>> originally installed.
>>
>> However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards
>> present.
>>
>> Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it
>> outside of Rivendell.
>>
>> So, I am pretty much still stuck.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Steve Varholy
>> President and General Manager
>> [1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>>
>> The Historic Barringer Building
>> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
>> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>>
>> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
>> 
>> From:
>> rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org><mailto

Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

Just did a fresh install of the appliance.


The onboard audio worked under Rivendell right out of the box.


Ran update/upgrade.


No dice. Something in the update/upgrade process is breaking ALSA or 
Rivendell's interface to ALSA.


RDALSACONFIG shows the onboard card and is assigned.

Next go-around I am going to try updating just Rivendell and see what happens.


Steve Varholy
President and General Manager

[1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]


The Historic Barringer Building

1338 Main Street - Suite 202

Columbia, South Carolina 29201

Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251

Direct: (803) 404-5535

Cell: (703) 585-2101


A Service of the Independent Media Foundation


From: 
rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
 
mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>>
 on behalf of Wayne Merricks 
mailto:waynemerri...@thevoiceasia.com>>
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2016 9:17:44 AM
To: 
rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

Hi,

Might be a long shot but I've had instances recently where some USB
sound cards are not detected by Riv at all (I can't remember if
rdalsaconfig listed them).  It was something to do with the card only
supporting 24bit sound and whatever Riv does do swap between 16/32bit
didn't work.

The only way I could use this card in the end was to use JACK first and
make Riv use JACK instead of ALSA directly.

I didn't have the time to figure out why this would be the case..

Regards,

Wayne

On 2016-12-10 22:28, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
> After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the
> /etc/asound.conf
> file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and
> resave
> the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll
> need
> to restart the Rivendell daemons.
>
> Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?
>
>>
>>
>> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson
>> mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com><mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom
>> window are in use in rivendell
>>
>> so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window
>> and save...
>>
>> if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it
>> will not play in centos...
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy
>> mailto:st...@wxryfm.org><mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as
>> originally installed.
>>
>> However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards
>> present.
>>
>> Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it
>> outside of Rivendell.
>>
>> So, I am pretty much still stuck.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Steve Varholy
>> President and General Manager
>> [1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>>
>> The Historic Barringer Building
>> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
>> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>>
>> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
>> 
>> From:
>> rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org><mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
>> mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org><mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>>
>> on behalf of Robert Jeffares
>> mailto:jeffares.rob...@gmail.com><mailto:jeffares.rob...@gmail.com>>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:10:56 AM
>> To:
>> rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org><mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
>> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
>>
>> I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying
>> the card
>>
>> # alsactrl store [0,1,2]
>>
>> so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to
>> create
>> the directory they were stored in.
>>
>> I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.
>>
>> The store *has* to be done as root
>>

Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Wayne Merricks]

Hi,

Might be a long shot but I've had instances recently where some USB 
sound cards are not detected by Riv at all (I can't remember if 
rdalsaconfig listed them).  It was something to do with the card only 
supporting 24bit sound and whatever Riv does do swap between 16/32bit 
didn't work.


The only way I could use this card in the end was to use JACK first and 
make Riv use JACK instead of ALSA directly.


I didn't have the time to figure out why this would be the case..

Regards,

Wayne

On 2016-12-10 22:28, Lorne Tyndale wrote:
After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the 
/etc/asound.conf
file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and 
resave
the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll 
need

to restart the Rivendell daemons.

Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?




I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson 
mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


Steve


the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom 
window are in use in rivendell


so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window 
and save...


if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it 
will not play in centos...


.


On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy 
mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:



rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as 
originally installed.


However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards 
present.


Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it 
outside of Rivendell.


So, I am pretty much still stuck.

Any suggestions?

Steve Varholy
President and General Manager
[1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]

The Historic Barringer Building
1338 Main Street - Suite 202
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
Direct: (803) 404-5535
Cell: (703) 585-2101

A Service of the Independent Media Foundation

From: 
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mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>> 
on behalf of Robert Jeffares 
mailto:jeffares.rob...@gmail.com>>

Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:10:56 AM
To: 
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Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying 
the card


# alsactrl store [0,1,2]

so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to 
create

the directory they were stored in.

I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.

The store *has* to be done as root

regards

Robert


On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:
>    On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy 
mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote 

>   > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
>
> There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 
that has come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) 
and the current fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how 
much of a change there is, but there are some extra things that you 
need to do to the Alsamixer setup to get it to keep the settings over 
a reboot.  I don't know if this is totally off the rails or if this is 
a clue.

>
> Andy
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Lorne Tyndale]

After you hit save in rdalsaconfig, did you go into the /etc/asound.conf
file and add back in the rate line as I previously suggested  and resave
the file?  You'll need to be root to do this.  Once re-saved you'll need
to restart the Rivendell daemons.

Another thought - have you tried using Jack instead of ALSA?  

> 
> 
> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson 
> mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom window 
> are in use in rivendell
> 
> so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window and save...
> 
> if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it will not 
> play in centos...
> 
> .
> 
> 
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy 
> mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:
> 
> 
> rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as originally 
> installed.
> 
> However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards present.
> 
> Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it outside of 
> Rivendell.
> 
> So, I am pretty much still stuck.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Steve Varholy
> President and General Manager
> [1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
> 
> The Historic Barringer Building
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
> 
> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
> 
> From: 
> rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
>  
> mailto:rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org>>
>  on behalf of Robert Jeffares 
> mailto:jeffares.rob...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:10:56 AM
> To: 
> rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org<mailto:rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org>
> Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
> 
> I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying the card
> 
> # alsactrl store [0,1,2]
> 
> so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to create
> the directory they were stored in.
> 
> I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.
> 
> The store *has* to be done as root
> 
> regards
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
> On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:
> >    On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy 
> > mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote 
> >   > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
> >
> > There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that has 
> > come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the current 
> > fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a change 
> > there is, but there are some extra things that you need to do to the 
> > Alsamixer setup to get it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know 
> > if this is totally off the rails or if this is a clue.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[drew Roberts]

On Sat, Dec 10, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Steve Varholy  wrote:

> I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.
>

If you go back in, did it show as saved or as it was before you tried?

(If it did not actually save, it may be permissions.)

all the best,

drew

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson 
> wrote:
>
> Steve
>
>
> the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom window
> are in use in rivendell
>
> so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window and
> save...
>
> if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it will not
> play in centos...
>
> .
>
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy 
> wrote:
>
>
> rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as
> originally installed.
>
> However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards present.
>
> Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it outside of
> Rivendell.
>
> So, I am pretty much still stuck.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> *Steve Varholy*
> President and General Manager
> [image: 1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>
> The Historic Barringer Building
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>
> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
> --
> *From:* rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org <
> rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org> on behalf of Robert
> Jeffares 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:10:56 AM
> *To:* rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
> *Subject:* Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue
>
> I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying the card
>
> # alsactrl store [0,1,2]
>
> so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to create
> the directory they were stored in.
>
> I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.
>
> The store *has* to be done as root
>
> regards
>
> Robert
>
>
> On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:
> >    On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy <
> st...@wxryfm.org> wrote 
> >   > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
> >
> > There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that
> has come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the
> current fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a
> change there is, but there are some extra things that you need to do to the
> Alsamixer setup to get it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know
> if this is totally off the rails or if this is a clue.
> >
> > Andy
> >
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

I did move them down and hit save. Rivendell still does see them.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 10, 2016, at 1:38 PM, John Anderson 
mailto:validmirror...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Steve


the cards in the top window are "available", the ones in the bottom window are 
in use in rivendell

so you must move the one you want, to the lower part of the window and save...

if centos sees it, rivendell can't.. if rivendell is using it, it will not play 
in centos...

.


On Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:20 AM, Steve Varholy 
mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:


rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as originally 
installed.

However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards present.

Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it outside of 
Rivendell.

So, I am pretty much still stuck.

Any suggestions?

Steve Varholy
President and General Manager
[1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]

The Historic Barringer Building
1338 Main Street - Suite 202
Columbia, South Carolina 29201
Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
Direct: (803) 404-5535
Cell: (703) 585-2101

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Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying the card

# alsactrl store [0,1,2]

so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to create
the directory they were stored in.

I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.

The store *has* to be done as root

regards

Robert


On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:
>    On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy 
> mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote 
>   > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
>
> There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that has 
> come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the current 
> fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a change there 
> is, but there are some extra things that you need to do to the Alsamixer 
> setup to get it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know if this is 
> totally off the rails or if this is a clue.
>
> Andy
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

rdalsaconfig is showing both onboard sound cards - like it did as originally 
installed.


However rdadmin/manage hosts/audio resources  reports no cards present.


Centos is seeing the onboard card and plays sounds through it outside of 
Rivendell.


So, I am pretty much still stuck.


Any suggestions?


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From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org 
 on behalf of Robert Jeffares 

Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 12:10:56 AM
To: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying the card

# alsactrl store [0,1,2]

so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to create
the directory they were stored in.

I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.

The store *has* to be done as root

regards

Robert


On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:
>    On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy  
> wrote 
>   > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
>
> There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that has 
> come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the current 
> fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a change there 
> is, but there are some extra things that you need to do to the Alsamixer 
> setup to get it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know if this is 
> totally off the rails or if this is a clue.
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Robert Jeffares]

I have noticed that storing alsamixer settings requires specifying the card

# alsactrl store [0,1,2]

so they come back on reboot. I note too that sometimes I had to create 
the directory they were stored in.


I am away from base at the moment, so don't have access to my notes.

The store *has* to be done as root

regards

Robert


On 09/12/16 22:12, Andy Higginson wrote:

   On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy  
wrote 
  > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
  
There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that has come between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the current fully updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a change there is, but there are some extra things that you need to do to the Alsamixer setup to get it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know if this is totally off the rails or if this is a clue.


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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Andy Higginson]

  On Fri, 09 Dec 2016 00:09:45 + Steve Varholy  wrote 
 
 > Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that? 
 
There has been some kind of change in the ALSA setup on Centos 6 that has come 
between the version on the Appliance DVD (Centos 6.6?) and the current fully 
updated version (Centos 6.8).  I don't know how much of a change there is, but 
there are some extra things that you need to do to the Alsamixer setup to get 
it to keep the settings over a reboot.  I don't know if this is totally off the 
rails or if this is a clue.

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Lorne Tyndale]

I don't know if an upgrade would have changed that, but I do know that
rdalsaconfig wipes that setting out if it is there.

> 
> Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Lorne Tyndale  wrote:
> > 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > Edit your /etc/asound.conf file and put a rate line into it to reflect
> > the sample rate you're using in Rivendell.  Here's an example:
> > 
> > pcm.rd0 {
> >  type hw
> >  card 0
> > rate 48000
> > }
> > ctl.rd0 {
> >  type hw
> >  card 0
> > }
> > 
> > If you're using 44100 then substitute that.  Every HP or Dell I've ever
> > installed Rivendell on to, where I've wanted to test with the onboard
> > sound card using alsa, I've needed to put the rate line into the
> > /etc/asound.conf file or it doesn't play audio.
> > 
> > Add the line, restart your Rivendell daemons (or reboot the computer)
> > and see if it works.
> > 
> > Lorne Tyndale
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> What is curious is that rd 2.5.5 worked. Once it upgraded to 2.15 
> >> Rivendell it no longer sees card. Not a driver problem at least with 
> >> Centos systems sounds the card works and the OS sees it.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Andy Higginson  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I've been playing around with the Appliance on an HP 8000 Elite which is 
> >>> a dual core machine, probably similar to the one you are having issues 
> >>> with.  The onboard soundcard is a Realtek ALC662 and like you I've had 
> >>> issues getting it to work with Rivendell.  In the end I gave up and went 
> >>> for the option of installing a Soundblaster Audigy 2 card which has 
> >>> worked without issue.  The onboard soundcard is now disabled in the bios.
> >>> 
> >>> The HP dc7800 and dc7900 machines have ADI Soundmax sound cards onboard 
> >>> and these work great with Rivendell so it must be something with the 
> >>> Realtek.
> >>> 
> >>> Just one other thing for you to try before giving up totally on the 
> >>> onboard audio (I didn't do this - only just thought of this) is to try 
> >>> changing the IRQ of the onboard sound in the BIOS.  This can be found 
> >>> somewhere in the right hand menu of the bios.  This might just sort out 
> >>> the problem.  I've known of IRQ settings on HPs stop things from playing 
> >>> nice.
> >>> 
> >>> Andy 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>  On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:06:40 + Steve Varholy  
> >>> wrote  
> Gentlemen (and Ladies):
>  
>  
>  I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line. 
>  
>  
>  Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
>  
>  
>  Then I ran update/upgrade.
>  
>  
>  Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, 
>  will and plays audio.
>  
>  
>  In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
>  
>  
>  I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the 
>  update.
>  
>  
>  Any advice on where to start?
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>   Steve Varholy
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>  
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

Would the upgrade/update of the appliance changed that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Lorne Tyndale  wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Edit your /etc/asound.conf file and put a rate line into it to reflect
> the sample rate you're using in Rivendell.  Here's an example:
> 
> pcm.rd0 {
>  type hw
>  card 0
> rate 48000
> }
> ctl.rd0 {
>  type hw
>  card 0
> }
> 
> If you're using 44100 then substitute that.  Every HP or Dell I've ever
> installed Rivendell on to, where I've wanted to test with the onboard
> sound card using alsa, I've needed to put the rate line into the
> /etc/asound.conf file or it doesn't play audio.
> 
> Add the line, restart your Rivendell daemons (or reboot the computer)
> and see if it works.
> 
> Lorne Tyndale
> 
> 
>> 
>> What is curious is that rd 2.5.5 worked. Once it upgraded to 2.15 Rivendell 
>> it no longer sees card. Not a driver problem at least with Centos systems 
>> sounds the card works and the OS sees it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Andy Higginson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been playing around with the Appliance on an HP 8000 Elite which is a 
>>> dual core machine, probably similar to the one you are having issues with.  
>>> The onboard soundcard is a Realtek ALC662 and like you I've had issues 
>>> getting it to work with Rivendell.  In the end I gave up and went for the 
>>> option of installing a Soundblaster Audigy 2 card which has worked without 
>>> issue.  The onboard soundcard is now disabled in the bios.
>>> 
>>> The HP dc7800 and dc7900 machines have ADI Soundmax sound cards onboard and 
>>> these work great with Rivendell so it must be something with the Realtek.
>>> 
>>> Just one other thing for you to try before giving up totally on the onboard 
>>> audio (I didn't do this - only just thought of this) is to try changing the 
>>> IRQ of the onboard sound in the BIOS.  This can be found somewhere in the 
>>> right hand menu of the bios.  This might just sort out the problem.  I've 
>>> known of IRQ settings on HPs stop things from playing nice.
>>> 
>>> Andy 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:06:40 + Steve Varholy  
>>> wrote  
Gentlemen (and Ladies):
 
 
 I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line. 
 
 
 Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
 
 
 Then I ran update/upgrade.
 
 
 Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will 
 and plays audio.
 
 
 In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
 
 
 I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the 
 update.
 
 
 Any advice on where to start?
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Steve Varholy
 President and General Manager
 
 
 
 
 The Historic Barringer Building
 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
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 Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Lorne Tyndale]

Steve,

Edit your /etc/asound.conf file and put a rate line into it to reflect
the sample rate you're using in Rivendell.  Here's an example:

pcm.rd0 {
  type hw
  card 0
rate 48000
}
ctl.rd0 {
  type hw
  card 0
}

If you're using 44100 then substitute that.  Every HP or Dell I've ever
installed Rivendell on to, where I've wanted to test with the onboard
sound card using alsa, I've needed to put the rate line into the
/etc/asound.conf file or it doesn't play audio.

Add the line, restart your Rivendell daemons (or reboot the computer)
and see if it works.

Lorne Tyndale


> 
> What is curious is that rd 2.5.5 worked. Once it upgraded to 2.15 Rivendell 
> it no longer sees card. Not a driver problem at least with Centos systems 
> sounds the card works and the OS sees it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Andy Higginson  wrote:
> > 
> > I've been playing around with the Appliance on an HP 8000 Elite which is a 
> > dual core machine, probably similar to the one you are having issues with.  
> > The onboard soundcard is a Realtek ALC662 and like you I've had issues 
> > getting it to work with Rivendell.  In the end I gave up and went for the 
> > option of installing a Soundblaster Audigy 2 card which has worked without 
> > issue.  The onboard soundcard is now disabled in the bios.
> > 
> > The HP dc7800 and dc7900 machines have ADI Soundmax sound cards onboard and 
> > these work great with Rivendell so it must be something with the Realtek.
> > 
> > Just one other thing for you to try before giving up totally on the onboard 
> > audio (I didn't do this - only just thought of this) is to try changing the 
> > IRQ of the onboard sound in the BIOS.  This can be found somewhere in the 
> > right hand menu of the bios.  This might just sort out the problem.  I've 
> > known of IRQ settings on HPs stop things from playing nice.
> > 
> > Andy 
> > 
> > 
> >  On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:06:40 + Steve Varholy  
> > wrote  
> >> Gentlemen (and Ladies):
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Then I ran update/upgrade.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will 
> >> and plays audio.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the 
> >> update.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Any advice on where to start?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>   Steve Varholy
> >> President and General Manager
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> The Historic Barringer Building
> >> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
> >> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
> >> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

What is curious is that rd 2.5.5 worked. Once it upgraded to 2.15 Rivendell it 
no longer sees card. Not a driver problem at least with Centos systems sounds 
the card works and the OS sees it.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Andy Higginson  wrote:
> 
> I've been playing around with the Appliance on an HP 8000 Elite which is a 
> dual core machine, probably similar to the one you are having issues with.  
> The onboard soundcard is a Realtek ALC662 and like you I've had issues 
> getting it to work with Rivendell.  In the end I gave up and went for the 
> option of installing a Soundblaster Audigy 2 card which has worked without 
> issue.  The onboard soundcard is now disabled in the bios.
> 
> The HP dc7800 and dc7900 machines have ADI Soundmax sound cards onboard and 
> these work great with Rivendell so it must be something with the Realtek.
> 
> Just one other thing for you to try before giving up totally on the onboard 
> audio (I didn't do this - only just thought of this) is to try changing the 
> IRQ of the onboard sound in the BIOS.  This can be found somewhere in the 
> right hand menu of the bios.  This might just sort out the problem.  I've 
> known of IRQ settings on HPs stop things from playing nice.
> 
> Andy 
> 
> 
>  On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:06:40 + Steve Varholy  
> wrote  
>> Gentlemen (and Ladies):
>> 
>> 
>> I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line. 
>> 
>> 
>> Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
>> 
>> 
>> Then I ran update/upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will 
>> and plays audio.
>> 
>> 
>> In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
>> 
>> 
>> I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the 
>> update.
>> 
>> 
>> Any advice on where to start?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   Steve Varholy
>> President and General Manager
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Historic Barringer Building
>> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
>> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>> 
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Andy Higginson]

I've been playing around with the Appliance on an HP 8000 Elite which is a dual 
core machine, probably similar to the one you are having issues with.  The 
onboard soundcard is a Realtek ALC662 and like you I've had issues getting it 
to work with Rivendell.  In the end I gave up and went for the option of 
installing a Soundblaster Audigy 2 card which has worked without issue.  The 
onboard soundcard is now disabled in the bios.

The HP dc7800 and dc7900 machines have ADI Soundmax sound cards onboard and 
these work great with Rivendell so it must be something with the Realtek.

Just one other thing for you to try before giving up totally on the onboard 
audio (I didn't do this - only just thought of this) is to try changing the IRQ 
of the onboard sound in the BIOS.  This can be found somewhere in the right 
hand menu of the bios.  This might just sort out the problem.  I've known of 
IRQ settings on HPs stop things from playing nice.

Andy 


  On Thu, 08 Dec 2016 18:06:40 + Steve Varholy  wrote 
 
 >  Gentlemen (and Ladies):
 >  
 >  
 >  I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line. 
 >  
 >  
 >  Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
 >  
 >  
 >  Then I ran update/upgrade.
 >  
 >  
 >  Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will 
 > and plays audio.
 >  
 >  
 >  In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
 >  
 >  
 >  I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the 
 > update.
 >  
 >  
 >  Any advice on where to start?
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >Steve Varholy
 >  President and General Manager
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  
 >  The Historic Barringer Building
 >  1338 Main Street - Suite 202
 >  Columbia, South Carolina 29201
 >  Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
 >  Direct: (803) 404-5535
 >  Cell: (703) 585-2101
 >  
 >  
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Steve Varholy]

It's the onboard card. Once I have played around with it, I am going to use a 
USB external card and roll the dice that potential issues will come up  on a 
reboot.


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From: Seth Stevenson 
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:12:53 PM
To: Steve Varholy
Cc: rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org
Subject: Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

What card are you using? If it is an audioscience, maybe a different driver 
version in the upgraded version?

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Steve Varholy 
mailto:st...@wxryfm.org>> wrote:

Gentlemen (and Ladies):


I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line.


Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.


Then I ran update/upgrade.


Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will and 
plays audio.


In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.


I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the update.


Any advice on where to start?




Steve Varholy
President and General Manager

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1338 Main Street - Suite 202

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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[Seth Stevenson]

What card are you using? If it is an audioscience, maybe a different driver
version in the upgraded version?

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Steve Varholy  wrote:

> Gentlemen (and Ladies):
>
>
> I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line.
>
>
> Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
>
>
> Then I ran update/upgrade.
>
>
> Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will
> and plays audio.
>
>
> In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
>
>
> I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the
> update.
>
>
> Any advice on where to start?
>
>
>
>
> *Steve Varholy*
> President and General Manager
>
> [image: 1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>
>
> The Historic Barringer Building
>
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251 <(803)%20753-7260>
>
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>
>
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Re: [RDD] Appliance Issue

[drew Roberts]

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Steve Varholy  wrote:

> Gentlemen (and Ladies):
>
>
> I've got the cuurent Appliance installed on an HP Dual Core Slim Line.
>
>
> Got it playing audio and everything seemed functional under 2.5.5.
>
>
> Then I ran update/upgrade.
>
>
> Now 2.15 will not recognize the onboard audio card. Centos, however, will
> and plays audio.
>
>
> In RDAMIN/System Info, it shows no cards installed.
>
>
> I am assuming it is a potential user permissions problem because of the
> update.
>
>
> Any advice on where to start?
>

Did you try running rdalsaconfig?

all the best,

drew

>
>
>
> *Steve Varholy*
> President and General Manager
>
> [image: 1478183502168_WXRY_Full_993_300x145.png]
>
>
> The Historic Barringer Building
>
> 1338 Main Street - Suite 202
>
> Columbia, South Carolina 29201
>
> Office: (803) 753-7260 x 251
>
> Direct: (803) 404-5535
>
> Cell: (703) 585-2101
>
>
> A Service of the Independent Media Foundation
>
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>
>


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