Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] rosegarden presentation at FOSDEM

[Richard Bown]

Thanks Ted!

The talk didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped (big auditorium and I got
vertigo at one stage) but hopefully, some of it makes sense. I really
enjoyed putting it together and one guy did say he might get involved
afterwards, so who knows? ;) I'm still quite keen to add some more tests
and work on improving CI quality generally but it all depends on many
things - not least finding some spare time.

R


On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 at 02:24, Ted Felix  wrote:

>ICYMI, the video of Richard's Rosegarden talk is up on the FOSDEM
> site.  Check it out:
>
> https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/rosegarden/
>
> Ted.
>
> On 1/12/23 5:45 AM, Richard Bown wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I pitched a presentation to FOSDEM called "Rosegarden: A Slumbering
> > Giant" and have just been accepted on the main track on the Sunday
> > lunchtime (5 Feb). If you're in the area and fancy popping along here
> > are the details (it's free and open in Brussels, Belgium):
> >
> > https://fosdem.org/2023/ <https://fosdem.org/2023/>
> >
> > Why Rosegarden and why now? Well, it's a good story, it's a long story
> > which is still continuing over 30 years since first inception, and I
> > simply wanted to tell it.
> >
> > My take is this - Rosegarden is a phenomenal and slightly unconventional
> > OSS success story. I'm looking to explore and unpack this a little in
> > the presentation both from a technical/architectural point of view but
> > also from the way of working - team and collaborative approach view.
> > Also of course it's not actually slumbering - it's very active but
> > wanted to get more insight into current usage and direction.
> >
> > Consequently, I am reaching out to see if there are any stories or
> > feelings you have around using and/or contributing to Rosegarden that
> > you feel are vital and worth sharing. I would love to hear them. Feel
> > free to email me if you don't want to share on the list.
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> >
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 22.06

[Richard Bown]

On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 17:39, Ted Felix  wrote:

>Going to "Off" in the quantize combo box is definitely part of it.
> The backtrace shows "EventUnquantizeCommand".  Something about the
> selection is hosed.
>
>I will keep digging.  Might need valgrind for this one.
>

Good luck Ted. It's amazing, it's 20 years ago but I somehow still feel
*responsible* on seeing this kind of report... repressed guilt...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Running RG on Windows

[Richard Bown]

On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 15:20, Mike Witt  wrote:

> > The Windows fork is pretty much a separate project, maintained by
> > Richard Bown. I think he has his own repository somewhere. As far as
> > I know, he hasn't done any work on it in years. What you see is
> > probably pretty much what you get.
> >
> > I doubt this is going to change anytime soon.
>

Indeed, unfortunately I won't be doing any more work on it. I wanted to get
a CI build setup but never managed to get it working. The remains are here:

https://github.com/bownie/RosegardenW

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Slightly off the wall

[Richard Bown]

On Sat, 20 Feb 2021 at 15:05, Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 2/18/21 9:46 AM, Will Godfrey wrote:
> > What's the position regarding using Rosegarden with no audio at all?
>
>IIRC, that's how the Windows version works, so we should support
> that.  Regardless, let us know how it goes and we'll fix anything you
> run into.
>

Indeed that is how the Windows version works - I just hacked out all the
audio stuff - although the Windows version does support RtMidi after a
fashion although it was never very fully implemented.  I keep on meaning to
update it course but reasons...

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

[Richard Bown]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 14:12, D. Michael McIntyre <
rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rosegarden decided long ago to focus on being Rosegarden.
>

Underrated opinion!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

[Richard Bown]

Many congrats Ted and all.  Great to see RG still very much alive and
kicking!

Cheers,
Richard

On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 18:54, Ted Felix  wrote:

> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 20.12
> of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
> music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
>
>http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
>
> Included in this release...
>
> = Bug Fixes =
>
>* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845)
>* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853)
>  * SysEx load now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when reading.
>  * SysEx save now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly.
>  * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before saving.
>* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855)
>* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857)
>* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870)
>* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others)
>* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875,
>  r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909)
>* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable.  Bug #1586. (r15886)
>* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing.  Bug #1543.
>  (r15887)
>* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903)
>* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912)
>* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916, r15919,
>  r15927, r15929)
>* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936)
>* Fix disabled button text color (r15938)
>* Fix plugins not found (r15947)
>* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized
>  control surfaces.  Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954)
>* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files.  Feature #482.  (r15961)
>* Fix slow load time with many segments.  Bug #1589.  (r16026)
>
> = New Features =
>
>* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences (r15932,
>  r15946, others)
>* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are now
>  supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118).
>  Feature #423.  (r15962-r15964)
>* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016, r16021)
>
> = Significant Code Cleanups =
>
>* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868)
>* New ExternalController class (r15922)
>* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944)
>* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993)
>
> = Additional Contributors =
>
>* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
>* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543.
>* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd
>* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd
>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Shorten default MIDI event duration for drum notes inserted from the piano roll.

[Richard Bown]

On Sat, 13 Jun 2020 at 02:58, Ted Felix  wrote:

>
> > Have you ever considered moving the development of the rosegarden
> > project to GitLab/GitHub?
>
>Feel free to fork from here:
>
> https://github.com/tedfelix/rosegarden


Interesting!  I'm still struggling along occasionally with the Windows
port, which is still various versions behind but is at least finally
building under github actions:

https://github.com/bownie/RosegardenW

The installer build is not fully working yet but the next time I get some
energy I was going to try to fix that and then upversion the tree to the
latest release - the idea being then that it essentially looks after itself
:)  Ideally would like this to be a semi-automated pull from sourceforge
occasionally but yes that would require more effort..

Richard
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden still to 'aggressive' in sending Bank and Program changes?

[Richard Bown]

On Sun, 17 May 2020 at 14:37, Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 5/17/20 5:43 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
> > Rosegarden sends a Bank selection (CC 0 + CC 32) and Program change
> > every single time playback starts from the beginning (i.e. measure 1,
> > and this includes if you are looping with a measure which includes
> > measure 1).
>
>I was waiting for someone to complain about this.  Now that CCs are
> sorted, this needs to be looked at next.
>
>Please open a feature request and copy your message into it.
>
>Should be able to get this done for 20.12.
>

I agree that this feature makes no sense as a default and that a change is
long overdue! I also like the suggestion of making it a (very visible)
option.  If I'm not stating the obvious it might be useful to know why this
'feature' came about in the first place.  I was using a lot of VST
instruments and soft synths for testing at the time and of course these
wouldn't save their own state so this default was a workaround for that
behaviour and probably always should have been an option... I think the
role of the DAW has also changed a bit in the intervening years, rather
than aiming always to use it as a single point of truth, a lot of connected
equipment now has opinions and connectivity, plain and simple, is more
important than anything else.  This also makes me wonder again about JACK
midi of course but that's another story :)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] LV2... Why?

[Richard Bown]

This is a thread of golden feedback! Wonderful to see RG alive and kicking
after all this time.

I always thought JACK MIDI was the sensible way to go seeing as Ardour
could then in theory effortlessly synchronise. But obviously it wasn't a
simple integration - I would've looked at it more closely if it were
simple!  The last couple of Windows ports targeted RtMidi because it was
very simple and lightweight but not sure how many people or indeed if
anyone used it - perhaps JACK could be revisited.  My intention (six months
ago?) was to get a regular, semi-automated, Windows build working without
any audio/MIDI support at all .. but even that got sidelined. Maybe now
life throws an opportunity...

Stay safe,
Richard

On Sun, 15 Mar 2020, 08:27 Will Godfrey, 
wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:24:55 -1000
> david  wrote:
>
> >I'm definitely not in the professional league!
> >
> >I use Rosegarden for making scores and recordings of those songs. I
> >usually use the DSSI plugin to interface with fluidsynth.
> >
> >My experience with RG and Yoshimi hasn't been good. Way too often, I get
> >a voice/setup I want in Yoshimi, point RG at it, and RG insists on using
> >Yoshimi's default first standard instrument. I have to go back into
> >Yoshimi and set it up again, then it works. Until the next time I open
> >the RG project ...
>
> This looks like Rosegarden is defaulting to General Midi and sending a
> reset,
> which Yoshimi of course obeys.
>
> I have my Rosegarden default file set up with:
> Manage MIDI Devices->MIDI Playback set to a new entry 'Yoshimi'
> I then set the track channels to that.
>
> --
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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden for Windows alpha 1906

[Richard Bown]

Hi all,

I checked the clock and it's been over five years since the last Rosegarden
for Windows build so it was probably about time...  I've built it _very_
quickly and roughly based on very recent tarball and the installer is here:

https://xyglo.com/rg/rosegarden-win32-alpha-1906.exe

I've not really tested it beyond starting it up on the build machine and
trying it on a win64 machine (which installed but didn't start of course)
so not sure if it really installs cleanly and will work smoothly on another
win32 Windows 10 machine yet.  In theory you should get somewhere...
Functionality is more limited than the previous RG for Windows build at
this point in time i.e. I think even the RtMidi integration isn't working
yet.  If some people could kindly provide some feedback on what works and
what doesn't then perhaps in the coming days I'll find some time to improve
it and then we can post it up on sourceforge if it's relatively stable.

I may also attempt to get a win64 build but I'm not holding out much hope
for that and that of course also depends heavily on the state of the
current codebase which I'm in no position to comment on.

Also feel free to reach out to me directly with any feedback - the most
natural home for this might be on rg-devel but I thought I would post this
here first.

Cheers,
Richard
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] RG incorrectly plays all notes of allinstruments in sequence one after the other instead of simultaneously as itshould be played.

[Richard Bown]

Could well be. Windows MIDI is still very alpha.

R

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From: "D. Michael McIntyre" 
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Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] RG incorrectly plays all notes of allinstruments 
in sequence one after the other instead of simultaneously as itshould be played.

On 07/26/2014 03:58 AM, Holger Marzen wrote:

> Can you send me the rg-file? My first approach would check if my
> Rosegarden plays it correctly.

That is such strange behavior, the first thing I wonder is whether he's 
using the Windows port.  I've never seen anything like that on Linux. 
The usual Linux timing/sequencer problems involve playing one note and 
nothing happening, or the timing being really bad.  Serializing all the 
events?  Bizarrre.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] New version?

[Richard Bown]

On 29 Nov 2012, at 16:49, dusthillresid...@netscape.net wrote:

> Hi guys, I was wondering if you had any plans for releasing a new 
> version soon. The latest stable version has broken midi export, and 
> midi export is perhaps the most important feature to me.
> 
> Sorry to bother you.

That's alright.  We were asleep anyway.

There has been some activity and talk of a release but I've no idea how far 
that had got in reality.   I'd like to have a catch up and fix-a-couple of bugs 
and maybe draft-in-some-audio release soonish for Rosegarden for Windows but I 
fear now that won't happen this year.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

[Richard Bown]

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000
> david  wrote:
>
> Guitarists are like cats.
>

Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists?

R
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound

[Richard Bown]

On 24 Sep 2012, at 12:56, Johan Vromans  wrote:

> Of course, I've seen only a limited number of guitarists...

I think it's safe to say N guitarists = at least N+1 opinions.  I have some too 
of course but I'm keeping schtum.

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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden for Windows 12.04.99 Alpha 3, codename "WinFreedom" RELEASED

[Richard Bown]

I'm pleased to finally announce the availability of the latest Alpha
release of Rosegarden for Windows.

This is a working release of Rosegarden for Windows - it's still called an
Alpha release because it may well be buggy and audio file support or audio
sequencing is still not supported in any way.  The code base has been
merged with the latest Rosegarden trunk changes ("Freedom") as per 7th July
2012 but also:

  - MIDI Playback devices are now assignable (create new Midi Device and
assign tracks)
  - Most common MIDI playback events are now supported (no System
Exclusives)
  - MIDI Record now works for most events (no System Exclusives)
  - RtMidi updated to latest version (July 2012)
  - Merges from latest trunk release (please see 12.04.00 "Freedom" release
notes)

Rosegarden for Windows is a packaged installation for 32-bit Windows which
will work on 32-bit or 64-bit Windows platforms and has been tested on
Windows XP and Windows 7.  Rosegarden for Windows packages Lilypond
printing and print-previewing out of the box.

You can download Rosegarden for Windows from here (*):

  https://bitbucket.org/bownie/rosegarden-for-windows/downloads

Rosegarden for Windows Alpha 2 has had over 5000 downloads in the last nine
or so months but so far feedback has been limited - hopefully that can
change a bit with this latest, more functional release.  It would be great
to hear any feedback - good, bad or indifferent - just to work out if I
should spend any more time adding features no matter how slowly!

Please give it a try and provide me or the rosegarden-devel mailing list
with any feedback.  Thanks goes of course to all the core developers on the
Rosegarden team who are pumping out the actual features and improvements
and hopefully this version can continue to do them some justice.

Regards,
Richard Bown (@xyglo)
September 2012

(* - Sourceforge file upload didn't want to work for some reason but
perhaps the files/links could also be updated there)


Notes:

The main Rosegarden website is still at:

  http://www.rosegardenmusic.com

There is also a page here with latest Rosegarden for Windows specific
information:

  http://www.xyglo.com/rosegarden-for-windows/

Rosegarden for Windows code is now in a mercurial repository at BitBucket:

  https://bitbucket.org/bownie/rosegarden-for-windows

The old branch in SourceForge is now trailing and can be deleted if
required:


http://rosegarden.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/rosegarden/branches/win32-mingw-rtmidi/
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] JACK-MIDI?

[Richard Bown]

Interestingly, RtMidi has a JACK MIDI wrapper in the latest version of its
API.  I've not looked at it yet but for audio integration in Rosegarden for
Windows it might make sense.

R


On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Holger Marzen  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> is Rosegarden able to use JACK-MIDI instead of ALSA-MIDI? Maybe in the
> future? Some people say that JACK-MIDI has some advantages regarding
> latency/jitter.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

[Richard Bown]

On 30 Aug 2012, at 09:13, Chris Cannam  wrote:

> On 29 August 2012 23:26, Richard Bown  
> wrote:
>> It's a fucking operating system.  Get over it.
> 
> There's just no poetry in you.

Ok, this is your fault.

http://masticate.com/2012/08/30/ode-to-a-preemptive-multitasking-kernel/

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

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On 29 Aug 2012, at 23:14, Chris Cannam  wrote:

> So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to
> relish the good things about it.

It's a fucking operating system.  Get over it.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...

[Richard Bown]

On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John  wrote:
[...]
> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of 
> being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work.  I rather prefer to 
> spend my time to smell the roses.

Well said, sir.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Raspberry Pi

[Richard Bown]

I ordered it from Farnell at the beginning of April, but registered for 
interest as soon as partners were announced so in total about four or five 
months I suppose.  I can't remember when in was launched now and I had pretty 
much forgotten about it.  I did get a free t-shirt though..

Will post somewhere about my multimedia experiences if I ever get that far.  
Power required first.  Then patience.   On the plus side the boot time is 
supposed to be amazing!

R


On 2 Jul 2012, at 05:21, "D. Michael McIntyre" 
 wrote:

> On Sunday, July 01, 2012, Julie S wrote:
> 
>> I want a raspberry pi!
> 
> I really wanted to buy one for my son for his 18th birthday, but the wait 
> time 
> is just ludicrous.
> 
> How many months did you have to wait, Richard?
> 
> (Speaking of frivolous banter, I forgot to shut my computer down for 
> cleaning, 
> and just realized I clicked past the one year uptime mark a week ago.)
> -- 
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[Rosegarden-user] Raspberry Pi

[Richard Bown]

I've just received my raspberry Pi.  Anyone had any luck getting RG to run on 
it yet and any advice on distros?  I have a day or two to do some research as I 
find I've not got a micro USB connector anywhere to my slight surprise.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] Fwd: Rosegarden's Future

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Ok well, I'm going to carry on occasionally merging from trunk as I wish and 
will pop out another Windows build at some point soon.  For the moment, and to 
make it easier for me to manage, I've created a page:

http://www.xyglo.com/rosegarden-for-windows/

I'll post announcements here and keep monitoring the usual lists but this is a 
bit easier for me.

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[Rosegarden-user] Fwd: Rosegarden's Future

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: r...@hydrophones.com
> Date: 11 May 2012 11:23:55 CEST
> To: "Richard Bown" 
> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> While I am certainly not a 'big' Rosegarden contributor, I do use
> Rosegarden for virtually all of my musical creations.  These can be found
> at:
> 
> www.hydrophones.com/MAI-Audio/MAI-Dark-Soundtracks.html
> 
> www.hydrophones.com/.../More-MAI-Audio-Music_downloads.html
> 
> and many other places.
> 
> Rosegarden performs well and its few (perhaps persistent) bugs are
> (mostly) easily worked around.  As to future, perhaps far future,
> directions, Rosegarden developers should play with the Impro-Visor project
> a bit which will lead to some extended user interface ideas.  Impro-Visor
> is open source, but written in Java.  It can be found at:
> 
> https://www.cs.hmc.edu/~keller/jazz/improvisor/
> 
> Lately, I tend to start projects in Impro-Visor, work with a variety of
> tools, and finish them in Rosegarden.
> 
> I note that Rosegarden is mentioned in almost every Ph.D. dissertation and
> Masters thesis I have read for the past several years.  Very recently, I
> note, it has received very positive coverage in Linux Format (Issue
> LXF156, April 2012) although the article does contain some (serious)
> inaccuracies with respect to Rosegarden file formats.  Rosegarden is
> arguably one of Linux's 'killer apps'.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rich Marschall
> r...@hydrophones.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could
>> contribute to new website/direction/developments.
>> 
>> Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some
>> people who are big current contributors.  This is just to get the ball
>> rolling so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here
>> and you want it here.
>> 
>>> Songwriters
>>> Will J Godfrey
>>> Holger Marzen
>>> Neil Bryan  User/Supporter
>> 
>> Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc?
>> 
>>> Current Core Dev
>>> Michael
>>> Tom Breton
>>> Daren Beattie
>>> Ian Gardner
>> 
>> A plan for the future Dev direction if any.  Having no plan is also fine.
>> 
>>> Devs or Interested in Ports
>>> Ian Gardner   Mac Port
>>> David Tisdell   Mac Port potentially?
>>> Richard Windows Port.
>> 
>> Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities?
>> 
>>> Website
>>> Brett McCoy
>>> Michael
>>> Chris?
>>> Richard
>> 
>> Some idea of what to do with it and how to go forward.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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Ok so a quick trawl of emails turned up some names perhaps that could 
contribute to new website/direction/developments.

Just to say that this is just a quick scan and I may have missed out some 
people who are big current contributors.  This is just to get the ball rolling 
so apologies in advance if your name is here in error or not here and you want 
it here.

> Songwriters  
> Will J Godfrey
> Holger Marzen
> Neil Bryan  User/Supporter

Perhaps the above could contribute links/music/videos etc?

> Current Core Dev
> Michael 
> Tom Breton   
> Daren Beattie
> Ian Gardner  

A plan for the future Dev direction if any.  Having no plan is also fine.

> Devs or Interested in Ports 
> Ian Gardner   Mac Port
> David Tisdell   Mac Port potentially?
> Richard Windows Port.

Maybe some ideas of timescales if these are real possibilities?

> Website
> Brett McCoy
> Michael 
> Chris?
> Richard  

Some idea of what to do with it and how to go forward.

Thoughts?

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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> But don't forget that overhauling websites (regardless of tools) is a
> time sink almost comparable to developing software, especially since
> everyone always has an opinion...

Agreed.  And I wasn't offering but some people have and so that's why I thought 
I'd put together a proposal for potentially taking things forward.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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> liberal arts major.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu1VhsNOwPU

> No great loss.  Software is a pain in the ass.

It is.  And any professional software of this size and complexity would be 
equally gnarly.  It's just the way it is and we all learn to accept this 
eventually because for some of us it enables us to earn money.  I no longer 
complain how shit software is because I know it's keeping me employed.

On that score you could very easily get a job as a software developer if you do 
wished!

Right - I'm going to crawl through this weeks conversations on rg-devel and 
rg-user and see if I can put some names next to things to do.  Or at least get 
a feel for level of support for future directions.

On one point - who hosts the RG website currently and any chance making this 
editable with some non stone-age tools and for multiple users?

R

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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On 8 May 2012, at 22:46, Chris Cannam  wrote:

> But you and I have had a lot of time off from this project, and I
> guess both of us did that because we felt a bit like Michael

Indeed.  It's a soul wrecker this software.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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>
> > There is real truth in that.  I've literally never taken a proper go
> somewhere
> > and see something sort of vacation since the last one I took with my
> family as
> > a kid.  That was 1987.
>
> Well, your constitution must be incredible.
> After that, I'd have been in a Happy Farm
> long since!


I got converted into taking holidays by my wife - I never saw the point
twenty years ago.  Now I don't want to stay home.  That's where your rg
development time went..

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ian Gardner  wrote:

> is to write an implementation for the virtual midi/sequencer interface in
> rg in terms of Jack, and you can have a fully portable codebase to all
> platforms out of the box (with the help of cygwin on windows) with midi and
> audio magically working, peace in the middle east, the world's hungry fed
> and the moon on a f*g stick to boot. I'm not advocating Jack as The Way
> forward btw before the flamethrower is turned in my direction, it just
> occurs as a possibility.
>

Indeed.

I just wanted to get rid of all that crap.   Jack is callback based, Alsa
demands you check queue timings and keep them topped up/emptied - on top of
that you've got to do all the plugin stuff and audio processing yourself in
your own thread(s).  By the time I'd looked at it all again I'd pretty much
decided that the best way forward was to ditch all the interfaces and go as
simple as possible.  Of course after I decided that Chris suggested I do it
all with JACK audio and midi (which incidently was also my first take on
things) however implementing JACK midi wasn't a shoe-in as far as I could
remember.

Anyway - the rtmidi implementation so far is rough and ready - just a proof
of concept.  It needs quite a lot of tightening but in theory that should
be a bit simpler.  Also down the line integration with audio might (I say
might) make more sense.  Just not got around to doing any more in the last
six months - where did _that_ go?

In fact, now I'm reminded of all this, I do have the embryonic beginnings
> of an implementation of the midi stuff in rg in terms of jack somewhere on
> my machine. Should time permit this week (another hearty LOL) I'll dust it
> off and see where I got to with it. I fancy seeing how jack behaves on the
> mac anyways.
>

Good stuff.  Looking forward to seeing some results!

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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Yes, but for the windows port so far audio isn't in scope.  And if it was I 
probably wouldn't do it with JACK I have to say.  Purely because I've got bored 
of fancy APIs for stuff and different models you're forced to adopt to use 
them,  ALSA and JACK did it for me.

Midi with Rtmidi and ? for audio.  Maybe portaudio.  Cross that bridge as and 
when.  And if.

Agree that website and docs and tutorials require a refresh. IMHO would be nice 
to have a clean, modern, fresh approach to website and shift the black 
/italics.  But yes, we've been here before..



On 8 May 2012, at 17:31, David Tisdell  wrote:

> I agree on the "More bang for the buck" on a Windows port but JACK already 
> runs on OS X as do some JACK aware apps. Percentage  of the user base wise, 
> the Mac has historically more people creating content (Don't know if that is 
> true today) and it is fully POSIX compliant whereas Windows is not. It may be 
> easier to get a full port over to the Mac. Not being a coder, I can't say for 
> sure but the Ardour people ran into a significant road block on Windows 
> because it wasn't fully POSIX compliant.
> 
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Brett McCoy  wrote:
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:02 AM, David Tisdell  
> wrote:
> 
> > Perhaps as a starting point we could "shake the tree" for developers on
> > Linux audio user lists, wikis, etc. since Linux is the platform of origin.
> > The core work should begin here and ports created as new features are worked
> > out. As a member of the Rosegarden community, I would be happy to do that
> > but I would like some guidance from people like Michael who are working on
> > the project as to what should be said and who and how to contact to get more
> > involved.
> 
> I don't have the time to help with C++ development (and I definitely
> can't help with Windows porting), but I can certainly help with
> maintaining the website or Wiki pages and documentation. For instance,
> we need to better showcase some of the music being composed on
> Rosegarden (allow me to toot my horn here, but I recently completed a
> 2 year study of Orchestration via Berklee and used Rosegarden for
> every single one of my projects). Maybe some video tutorials would
> help also (I'd definitely be up for making some of those). Pushing
> stuff out to Windows and OS X would help exposure also. Graphics apps
> like GIMP, MyPaint and Krita have gotten a lot of adoption from those
> worlds as alternatives to expensive commercial apps, and there is
> definitely room for something like Rosegarden there, too, especially
> since it offers notation, whereas apps like Reaper and Reason don't,
> and have MIDI & Audio capabilties way beyond what Finale or Sibelius
> provide.
> 
> --
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> 
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> it would overturn the world."
> -- Jelaleddin Rumi
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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The Windows alpha is something I knocked together with a view to completing at 
least the MIDI portion at some point this year.

Mac I can't do anything about at the moment as I don't have one.  However 
perhaps that's a good angle to pursue with Kickstarter if there are more 
developers interested in this.  I can see perhaps the kernel of an idea forming 
there.

R

On 8 May 2012, at 15:23, Thomas Sattler  wrote:

> David, 
> 
> I played around a bit with the Windows alpha and it seemed to work pretty 
> well; I believe that project is ongoing but there are others who are more 
> familiar with its progress than I.
> 
> --Tom
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, David Tisdell  wrote:
> What it all seems to come down to is attracting more developers. It seems to 
> me that there needs to be a multipronged approach.
> To attract more developers, it could help to expand the user base. If we had 
> people evangelizing Rosegarden to the end user, we could expand the user 
> base. I have presented on Rosegarden at several conferences in New England 
> (mostly in VT) but I am one guy living in a small rural state. If there were 
> others like me in different places doing this somewhat regularly, the user 
> base would enlarge. 
> 
> The quality of the program speaks for itself. It is the best music program I 
> have ever used on any platform. I know some folks might think this is heresy 
> but it would be great if we could attract enough OS X and Windows developers 
> to have ports to both platforms (I know about the Windows port in the works, 
> yay). The most successful and widely used opensource programs run on Linux, 
> OS X, and Windows.
> 
> Not having ports on those platforms is an obstacle to wider adoption. I am a 
> public school music teacher and when I present at a conference, the moment I 
> say Linux, most of the educators in my audience are tuned out unless they are 
> using Linux in their school. I'll get comments like "It's cool but I need it 
> in Windows (or Mac)"
> 
> I don't expect Michael to try and take on that type of project. He doesn't 
> have the time. As a community of users, it our responsibility to make sure 
> Rosegarden survives, grows and moves forward. If we all do what we can, (make 
> a donation, evangelize the software, or code) as our abilities and time 
> allow, then we can attract more developers and users. If I could code I would 
> but I can't. So I do what I can do which is promote the software to my 
> colleagues, make a small annual contribution, and answer the occasional 
> question on the list when my life isn't crazy busy.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Richard Bown 
>  wrote:
> Sorry for cross post but want to hit developers too here.
> 
> >> or perhaps even Kickstarter.
> >
> > Money could help if there were enough of it.
> 
> To do kickstarter there would have to be a definite goal, a core collective, 
> an output and some enticing pledge material.  I'll have a think about this 
> and see if I can come up with something but this depends a lot on personal 
> circumstance of those involved.   Also depends on public opinion and what 
> other similar projects may be out there already. (I can see a few failures on 
> there so it needs to be compelling and well marketed)
> 
> Personally I can't commit to developing to a timescale for a Kickstarter 
> project but others may.  I would be happy to get involved with marketing a 
> campaign and fundraising though if there is enthusiasm.
> 
> I will try to get a little more involved in development again but probably 
> only on the Windows branch i've already been working on.  There's no reason 
> why though new features there can't go back to main branch.   I've been 
> waiting to merge latest changes on to my branch - since the release is out 
> now I'll start that work.
> 
> Like I say personally I can't really commit to supporting the Linux version 
> but for windows I'm happy to continue infrequent releases.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Long term bugs

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> I'm afraid I don't have any useful contribution to the larger
> questions going on here at the moment, but I did find a bit of time to
> track down this bug and I've committed a fix.

Excellent.  Shame driven bug fixing.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] rosegarden ubuntu 12.04

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> http://ardour.org/node/5003

Some ideas here re: Kickstarter.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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Sorry for cross post but want to hit developers too here.

>> or perhaps even Kickstarter.
> 
> Money could help if there were enough of it. 

To do kickstarter there would have to be a definite goal, a core collective, an 
output and some enticing pledge material.  I'll have a think about this and see 
if I can come up with something but this depends a lot on personal circumstance 
of those involved.   Also depends on public opinion and what other similar 
projects may be out there already. (I can see a few failures on there so it 
needs to be compelling and well marketed)

Personally I can't commit to developing to a timescale for a Kickstarter 
project but others may.  I would be happy to get involved with marketing a 
campaign and fundraising though if there is enthusiasm.

I will try to get a little more involved in development again but probably only 
on the Windows branch i've already been working on.  There's no reason why 
though new features there can't go back to main branch.   I've been waiting to 
merge latest changes on to my branch - since the release is out now I'll start 
that work.

Like I say personally I can't really commit to supporting the Linux version but 
for windows I'm happy to continue infrequent releases.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden's Future

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> I have failed.

What absolute self indulgent rubbish. It's in fine shape.   We just need a bit 
of positivity around here.  Yes and time.  And maybe a Summer of Code or 
perhaps even Kickstarter.  Rather than making sweeping statements perhaps a 
plan is in order.

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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden for Windows update

[Richard Bown]

Hi there,

Please let me know if there are any more outstanding issues other than the 
already well documented ones (limited MIDI support, no audio) in the current 
Windows version for an upcoming release.

There have been quite some changes under the covers on the main branch so it 
will be a fun merge I think.  I'll try to get a new version out next month 
after the main Linux build.  My keyboard now inhabits the same room as my 
computer now so this time I might also work on MIDI IN if I get the chance.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Can't connect virtual MIDI input (Windows version)

[Richard Bown]

Hi there,

Rosegarden for windows doesn't use any of those interfaces - only a direct MIDI 
connection which is currently hard coded.  In future releases this may change 
but for the moment MIDI support is mainly just a proof of concept and there's 
no MIDI recording.

Cheers,
Richard



On 19 Jan 2012, at 00:31, Josep Pujadas i Jubany  wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I downloaded today Rosergarden for Windows and I found two problems:
> 
> * I have JACK for Windows also installed (it comes with last version of 
> Hydrogen). The Windows version of Rosegarden can't work with JACK. JACK 
> doesn't see Rosegarden and viceversa.
> 
> * I tried many Virtual MIDI ports to connect other virtual MIDI devices. I 
> can't add anu imput MIDI and When I want to do sometimes Rosegarden crashes. 
> I tested it with midyoke, sony virtual midi router and loopbe1, to connect 
> http://vmpk.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Regards,
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] ROSEGARDEN 11.11.42, codename "Edelweiss" RELEASED

[Richard Bown]

On 13 Dec 2011, at 23:55, "Henry W. Peters"  wrote:

> So does it work the same as on Linux (I use Debian Squeeze)?

MIDI is limited to out only at the moment and is a bit flakey (looping and 
ffwd/rwd).  No audio playback or recording support yet. Apart from that it 
should mainly be exactly the same - look and feel is I think pretty much 
identical.

The above is why it's still alpha.  It will remain alpha until at least MIDI is 
all working I'd say.  Audio may be outside the scope of it for the moment.  
Depends if people really need it or not.  For me it's a good way to start using 
Rosegarden again without having to muck about in Linux.

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] [Rosegarden-devel] ROSEGARDEN 11.11.42, codename "Edelweiss" RELEASED

[Richard Bown]

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:43 PM, D. Michael McIntyre <
michael.mcint...@rosegardenmusic.com> wrote:

> == ROSEGARDEN 11.11.42, codename "Edelweiss" RELEASED ==
>
> Rosegarden 11.11.42 is released on this, the 42nd day of November.  Really,
> it's the 41st day of November, but 42 was more fun.


As promised I've now released an updated Alpha 2 package for the Windows
build here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/rosegarden/files/rosegarden/11.11/Windows/

This package has a few structural improvements:

- Recently merged from the main branch so most of the 11.11.42 features
should be available.
- Localised language support is now working.
- All support files from the regular rosegarden distribution as well as all
necessary DLLs are now packaged.
- Fonts are installed automatically.
- If you also install Lilypond for Windows then you can get Print
Previewing/Printing/PDF generation working.
- Path problems should be fixed.

No other changes at this point but we should be a little more up to date
and the installation and packaging should now be more robust.  If you're
upgrading from the first Alpha 1 package then please uninstall it and you
may have a little manual tidy up to complete that.

Cheers,
Richard
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[Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden 11.06 Alpha Release for Windows

[Richard Bown]

Hello all,

https://sourceforge.net/projects/rosegarden/files/rosegarden/11.06/Windows/

This is a first attempt at packaging of a Windows build of Rosegarden 11.06.
 It has more limited functionality than the official 11.06 build to whit:

- Only very basic MIDI out functionality
- Hardcoded MIDI out instrument (Windows GM Synth)
- No Audio or MIDI IN and no plugins

Also you may notice that some of features just don't work or are missing.
 Give it a try and let me know.

I've only tested it on Windows 7 so far so please provide feedback to the
rosegarden-devel list or direct to me.

Cheers,
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