Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
I presume that this is just the difference between working with a standard, gm-based midi device setup VS a custom midi device setup where you have drum patches/programs mapped to midi channels other than 10? So in the latter case, a channel setting of 'auto' would not work for you as it is currently implemented? CE. On 07/11/2020 9:48 pm, Will Godfrey wrote: On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:32:45 -0500 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: On 11/7/20 7:27 AM, Ted Felix wrote: Just a follow-up in case someone has a similar issue. Turns out that "auto" mode recognizes "percussion" tracks and sends them to channel 10 no matter what channel they are configured for. That isn't even always correct behavior. I don't have time to get myself back up to speed on all that right now, but I think I can play percussion on channels other than 10 at least two different ways with my current setup, and I don't have anything exotic. I'll try to have a go with some of that before you release. I've been working six days a week most of the year, so no promises. Just jumping in here. I very frequently put percussion in multiple channels. In Yoshimi I have one patch that does very nice snare drums, another that does a range of Cymbals, another that's good for kick drum, shakers etc. Not only can they not all fit in the same channel, but I give them different weights and stereo positions. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Testing Appreciated for 20.12
'have been using 20.12 for a couple of days and all seems good. Most of the updates don't affect me but I did try out the new marker stuff and that seems to work fine. One thing that I have noticed in this and previous versions is that my channel setting of 'auto' on a drum track does not appear to be saved in the .rg file and keeps reverting to 'fixed' on reload. This gives me incorrect patch sounds and has to be reset every time. cheers, CE On 02/11/2020 2:03 pm, Ted Felix wrote: 20.12 will be released on December 9. Right now, what you see in svn is the release candidate. Please test the latest svn as much as you can. If you've not built from svn, give it a shot and let us know if you run into trouble. We'll walk you through it. The steps I follow for building from svn are here: https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:eclipse Suggested areas to test: - Restoration of connections to external MIDI hardware and software on .rg file load. - We should be doing a better job with this now. - New marker menu items in the composition menu. - Composition > Add Marker at Playback Position - Composition > Jump to Previous Marker - Composition > Jump to Next Marker - Better support for not sending out CCs for controllers that are not visible on the UI. E.g. if you make Volume not visible via the device manager, no volume CCs will be generated by RG. Only volume CCs in the Segments will be sent out. - External Controller port for control surfaces. - This was broken in 20.06. Should work now. - Enable/Disable via preferences. - Type of control surface configurable via preferences. - Korg nanoKONTROL2 control surface is now supported automatically. - This should be auto detected and auto connected at rg startup. - All buttons, knobs, and sliders should work. - The LEDs are partially supported. If you configure the nanoKONTROL2 for external LED control, the LEDs will work except when recording. So the record LED will appear to not work. If you would like to test this, let me know if you need the sysex files to configure the nanoKONTROL2 for external control of the LEDs. - Transport buttons on MIDI controllers. - If you have a MIDI controller with play, stop, record, FF, Rew, etc... buttons, chances are good those will work now. At least if they are configured for Pro Tools. - Preferences cleanup. - Some regression testing of the preferences dialogs is needed. - Event editor - General editing. - SysEx. SysEx handling and editing has been improved. - Toolbar Icon - Code cleanup. Make sure they look the same. - Percussion Matrix editor. - Some changes here related to note duration. Most importantly, do what you usually do. That will hit the areas that I missed. Thanks. Ted. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden was used in the creation process
'nice and moody! and handy to be able to play so many instruments :o) ! I can't remember if I've shared this on this list before but just in case I haven't, here's a sample of what I have been able to produce using this amazing (free!) piece of software plus a Korg M1 and M3. My version of 'Little Umbrellas' from Zappa's 1970? 'Hot Rats' album. https://soundcloud.com/user-869419971/little-umbrellas-zappa-arr-chuck-elliot/s-oV0F5 I'm particularly proud of the fact that I managed (more or less) to transcribe this mofo. The process was difficult, painful and lengthy and a.f.a.i.k. this is the only extant transcription of the middle section of this piece. There's also a take on 'Black Page part II' on my Soundcloud account for the musically, terminally masochistic. Best wishes to all Rosegardeners and huge thanks to the developers. Chuck. ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
Mystery solved! The Korg-M3-GM device is not used in this composition but all of the unused RG tracks had defaulted to this device so RG was sending out a set of PCs for this device after the set for the EDS device. As both are connected to the same physical device (midi port), the second set were overwriting the first. I don't know where the particular GM instrument numbers were coming from (default device?) but they were not relevant to the composition in any case. Deleting the GM device resolved the issue and the piece now plays properly under v17.12. In future, if I have multiple M3 devices connected I will ensure that any spare RG tracks are deleted or set to a null device. Thanks for all the help. RG is a fantastic resource. If anyone reading this thread is interested in hearing the piece concerned it is my rendition of a track from Frank Zappa's 'Hot Rats' album from 1969 (little Umbrellas). https://soundcloud.com/user-869419971/little-umbrellas Chuck. On Sun, 2017-07-23 at 09:26 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > [Resending because this hasn't appeared on the user list. Sorry if > duplicate...] > > On 07/20/2017 12:15 PM, Ted Felix wrote: > >Do you have two devices connected to the same port? > >From digging through the .rg file, it appears that you do: > > Korg-M3-GM -> "20:0 E-MU XMidi2X2 MIDI 1 (duplex)" > Korg-M3-EDS -> "20:0 E-MU XMidi2X2 MIDI 1 (duplex)" > M1 -> "20:1 E-MU XMidi2X2 MIDI 2 (duplex)" > >This is probably why you are seeing two channel setups going out to > the M3 with 16.02. With later versions, you shouldn't see that. Or you > will only see it where there is a channel conflict in your tracks. I.e. > two tracks pointing to the same channel on the M3 but using the two > different devices (Korg-M3-GM and Korg-M3-EDS). > >Limitations in 16.02 make it difficult to do the above. The only way > that comes to my mind is to combine the device files for each. This was > fixed in 16.06 and channel setups only go out for channels that have tracks. > > Ted. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
Ignore my last message. I was mistaken (it was late!) New finding - RG is sending 2 sets of PCs on loading this particular .rg file. Firstly the correct set as configured in RG and then a complete set of channels 1-15 with different instrument settings and these are overwriting the correct ones in the M3. I do not know where these settings are coming from. They do not correspond to the default studio settings. I presume the .rg file has gotten corrupted somehow and contains conflicting intrument configs... ? Chuck. On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 21:24 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > On 07/18/2017 07:32 PM, chuck elliot wrote: > > That has turned up some interesting findings: > >Indeed. > > > under v16.02 selecting [no port] for the relevant M3 bank > > does not send any PCs and nor does switching it back to > > the midi port. I see only ALSA ports being subscribed etc. > > (filtering other midi messages) > >OK. This is to be expected. That feature was added later. > > > This version send PCs whenever a new segment is encountered > > during playback too. > > It is presumably sending PCs on load too so that my M3 is set > > up to start with. > >That behavior was causing problems for some users. But it makes > sense that it was working for you since the channel setup at load wasn't > working with the M3. > > > under v17.12, selecting [no port] for the M3 bank sends out a > > complete set of PCs for the M3 which sets up the M3 nicely! > > such that when it is reconnected to midi it plays all the > > correct instruments (but reconnecting does not send PCs). > >Good to hear. This means we are sending the right stuff at some > point and the M3 is getting it. That reduces the mystery. > > > This version does not send PCs on play it seems. > >It does not. That change was made in r14644. The PCs on play > behavior in 16.02 was causing problems for some users, so it was > removed. What is confusing is that I thought that I had at least > implemented sending PCs for playback from time zero. Apparently I > didn't. So, one must rely on having everything plugged in and ready to > go at load time to ensure a proper setup. That seems a bit cumbersome. > >Sending channel setups (which is what we call this internally) at > playback from time zero would work. We might also add a menu item "Send > Channel Setups" or something similar to let you manually get your synths > in sync with the composition at any time. Just in case power goes out > or something gets unplugged at the wrong time. > > > The one thing that is not clear to me at this point is why > > the 'send PC on load' in this version is succeeding with the > > M1 but not with the M3 ??? > >That's the real mystery. We must be sending something that the M3 > doesn't like in the load case. It wouldn't surprise me at all. The > question is: what? > >I think the test to run would be as follows... First, do the port > switch and connect to kmidimon to see what's going out. Keep a record > of this. I think you can save it from kmidimon maybe. Then modify the > .rg file to connect the M3 to kmidimon's port. Save and reload and it > should show you what it is sending out on load. I can actually do this > test myself since it only requires the .rg file and kmidimon. > > > I note what Michael has said about sending BS/PCs and upsetting > > hardware configurations but it seems pointless to me to have > > instrument settings in a sequencer if you cannot use them to > > configure your whole setup centrally. > >That's the idea. We send them at load anyway, so the assumption is > that we are taking control. By unchecking the checkboxes next to bank > and program, you can configure individual channels to not send BS/PCs at > all. So, if you want to let the instruments have control, you can. > > > For those that don't want or need RG to > > configure their hardware an appropriate send filter ought to > > be able to cater for that no? > >Just uncheck bank and program in the Instrument Parameters box. > > Ted. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
I have tried this experiment. It looks as if the PCs are being sent on the wrong port. The connection for M3-INT-EDS is 131 inside the Midi Manager but kmidimon shows the PCs being sent on port 130. Maybe you can confirm. BTW apologies - it was Abrolag who mentioned the 'send PC on play new segment' problem, not Michael - my bad. Chuck. On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 21:24 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > On 07/18/2017 07:32 PM, chuck elliot wrote: > > That has turned up some interesting findings: > >Indeed. > > > under v16.02 selecting [no port] for the relevant M3 bank > > does not send any PCs and nor does switching it back to > > the midi port. I see only ALSA ports being subscribed etc. > > (filtering other midi messages) > >OK. This is to be expected. That feature was added later. > > > This version send PCs whenever a new segment is encountered > > during playback too. > > It is presumably sending PCs on load too so that my M3 is set > > up to start with. > >That behavior was causing problems for some users. But it makes > sense that it was working for you since the channel setup at load wasn't > working with the M3. > > > under v17.12, selecting [no port] for the M3 bank sends out a > > complete set of PCs for the M3 which sets up the M3 nicely! > > such that when it is reconnected to midi it plays all the > > correct instruments (but reconnecting does not send PCs). > >Good to hear. This means we are sending the right stuff at some > point and the M3 is getting it. That reduces the mystery. > > > This version does not send PCs on play it seems. > >It does not. That change was made in r14644. The PCs on play > behavior in 16.02 was causing problems for some users, so it was > removed. What is confusing is that I thought that I had at least > implemented sending PCs for playback from time zero. Apparently I > didn't. So, one must rely on having everything plugged in and ready to > go at load time to ensure a proper setup. That seems a bit cumbersome. > >Sending channel setups (which is what we call this internally) at > playback from time zero would work. We might also add a menu item "Send > Channel Setups" or something similar to let you manually get your synths > in sync with the composition at any time. Just in case power goes out > or something gets unplugged at the wrong time. > > > The one thing that is not clear to me at this point is why > > the 'send PC on load' in this version is succeeding with the > > M1 but not with the M3 ??? > >That's the real mystery. We must be sending something that the M3 > doesn't like in the load case. It wouldn't surprise me at all. The > question is: what? > >I think the test to run would be as follows... First, do the port > switch and connect to kmidimon to see what's going out. Keep a record > of this. I think you can save it from kmidimon maybe. Then modify the > .rg file to connect the M3 to kmidimon's port. Save and reload and it > should show you what it is sending out on load. I can actually do this > test myself since it only requires the .rg file and kmidimon. > > > I note what Michael has said about sending BS/PCs and upsetting > > hardware configurations but it seems pointless to me to have > > instrument settings in a sequencer if you cannot use them to > > configure your whole setup centrally. > >That's the idea. We send them at load anyway, so the assumption is > that we are taking control. By unchecking the checkboxes next to bank > and program, you can configure individual channels to not send BS/PCs at > all. So, if you want to let the instruments have control, you can. > > > For those that don't want or need RG to > > configure their hardware an appropriate send filter ought to > > be able to cater for that no? > >Just uncheck bank and program in the Instrument Parameters box. > > Ted. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
That has turned up some interesting findings: under v16.02 selecting [no port] for the relevant M3 bank does not send any PCs and nor does switching it back to the midi port. I see only ALSA ports being subscribed etc. (filtering other midi messages) This version send PCs whenever a new segment is encountered during playback too. It is presumably sending PCs on load too so that my M3 is set up to start with. under v17.12, selecting [no port] for the M3 bank sends out a complete set of PCs for the M3 which sets up the M3 nicely! such that when it is reconnected to midi it plays all the correct instruments (but reconnecting does not send PCs). This version does not send PCs on play it seems. The one thing that is not clear to me at this point is why the 'send PC on load' in this version is succeeding with the M1 but not with the M3 ??? I note what Michael has said about sending BS/PCs and upsetting hardware configurations but it seems pointless to me to have instrument settings in a sequencer if you cannot use them to configure your whole setup centrally. I don't want to have to manually configure each hardware device for voice every time I load a composition. For those that don't want or need RG to configure their hardware an appropriate send filter ought to be able to cater for that no? thanks, Chuck. On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 10:58 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > On 07/18/2017 05:36 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > > It seems that BS/PCs are sent out on load (v17.12) and my M1 responds to > > these correctly but for some reason the M3 doesn't receive them. > > > > I haven't been able to confirm this using kmidimon because loading > > a file resets the internal connections and disconnects kmidimon. > > > > Is there a way to load a file without resetting connectiions? > >No. However, you can resend the channel setups (BS/PCs) by changing > the port for the M3 and changing it back. You might be able to do this > after you've got kmidimon hooked up and see if it works and what it is > sending. Or you could switch to kmidimon, then switch to the M3 under > the assumption that the same things will go out (which is probably a > good assumption). If everything looks good and the M3 doesn't respond, > then something we're sending is confusing the M3, or the M3 isn't > responding to PCs. > >Studio > Manage MIDI Devices. Select the M3-EDS (I assume) in MIDI > Playback. Change the port to [No Port] and back to the proper > interface. At that moment (or very soon after), a set of BS/PCs should > go out. > >I did some light digging and only noticed two changes related to > CCs/BS/PCs between 16.02 and 16.06. Neither of them mentioned taking > away sending of BS/PCs at playback. Looks like I need to bisect. > > Ted. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
so it looks to me that under 16.02 RG sends out program change messages according to what's set up in the studio every time you press PLAY. Under 17.12 RG does not send out program changes when you press PLAY... Chuck. On Sun, 2017-07-16 at 11:25 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > On 07/16/2017 07:06 AM, chuck elliot via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > However, the M3 only behaves properly with v16.02. > > With v17.12 It does not receive the correct instrument settings either > > from the default studio setup or the composition studio setup when the > > same composition is loaded. > >Try rewinding to the start of the composition and pressing play. > There was a time when that cleared things up, so it might help. > >You can also do a little troubleshooting by inserting kmidimon in the > path between rg and your M3. It will show the MIDI traffic going across > and might provide more details as to what is/isn't working. > >Can you assemble and post a small sample .rg file that has the problem? > > Ted. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
ok - under v16 I can see correct program changes being sent out while playing the composition (piping M3 bank through kmidimon). under v17.12 I am not seeing any program changes being sent out while playing the composition and wrong instruments are sounding Chuck. On Sun, 2017-07-16 at 11:25 -0400, Ted Felix wrote: > On 07/16/2017 07:06 AM, chuck elliot via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > However, the M3 only behaves properly with v16.02. > > With v17.12 It does not receive the correct instrument settings either > > from the default studio setup or the composition studio setup when the > > same composition is loaded. > >Try rewinding to the start of the composition and pressing play. > There was a time when that cleared things up, so it might help. > >You can also do a little troubleshooting by inserting kmidimon in the > path between rg and your M3. It will show the MIDI traffic going across > and might provide more details as to what is/isn't working. > >Can you assemble and post a small sample .rg file that has the problem? > > Ted. > > -- > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
Having dug a bit deeper the problem is more subtle. I am using a Korg M1 and a Korg M3. The M1 seems to behave as it should with both v16.02 and v17.12. The default studio sends the correct instrument settings to the M1 and these are correctly overwritten by the composition studio when it that is loaded. However, the M3 only behaves properly with v16.02. With v17.12 It does not receive the correct instrument settings either from the default studio setup or the composition studio setup when the same composition is loaded. On Sat, 2017-07-15 at 21:19 -0400, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 07/15/2017 05:58 AM, chuck elliot via Rosegarden-user wrote: > > > instruments do not sound until I manually reset the program. > > Then, even if I save the composition, the same thing happens > > when I load it again. Have I missed something? > > You missed a lengthy back and forth where Ted tried to sort all of that > stuff out, working closely with a guy who kept having and reporting > problems. We thought all of that was sorted out, but maybe not. > > Let's see. Freshly started Sound Canvas. Start RG. Load the most > recent file I was working on. Verify that it's still set to play > through the correct MIDI output. > > In theory, my Sound Canvas should be showing programs on different > channels now. Is it? > > Yes. Yes, it is. > > This is with the latest SVN. > -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Lost instrument settings
Dear fellow Rosegardeners, in all versions since 16.02 that I have tried (16.06, 17.04) when I load a .rg composition, although all the correct parameters are loaded into the Instrument Parameter box(es), the correct instruments do not sound until I manually reset the program. Then, even if I save the composition, the same thing happens when I load it again. Have I missed something? thanks, Chuck Elliot. -- Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
