Re: Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread FeRD
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020, 10:21 AM Tobias Girstmair 
wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 09:56:50AM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > It was my interpretation that the request
> > (from rpmfusion-nonfree to rpmfusion-free)
> > had to do with the source license (and
> > did not address the entire IP minefield
> > regarding usage that many codecs live
>
> As fair as I can see, we package other patent-encumbered software in
> rpmfusion-free (e.g. the *-freeworld stuff).
>

Agreed, if the issue is MERELY patent encumbrance, then it would seem to be
a perfect candidate for rpmfusion-free. But I haven't examined the licenses
in question, and ofc IANAL.
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Re: Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread Tobias Girstmair

On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 09:56:50AM +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote:

It was my interpretation that the request
(from rpmfusion-nonfree to rpmfusion-free)
had to do with the source license (and
did not address the entire IP minefield
regarding usage that many codecs live


As fair as I can see, we package other patent-encumbered software in
rpmfusion-free (e.g. the *-freeworld stuff).


in).  So the library with full capabilities
would presumably have to stay in
rpmfusion (at least until the remaining
patents expire, which I last saw estimated
to be around 2025/6), and the question
on the table is the group (nonfree vs free).


Yes. Moving to fedora is out of the question for now. My request is
only about where in rpmfusion this package should be.

-- tobias
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Re: Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 9:35 AM Leigh Scott  wrote:
>
> The fedora fdk free package isn't equal to the rpmfusion package.
>
> They use a different source code which has the patented code removed.
>

It was my interpretation that the request
(from rpmfusion-nonfree to rpmfusion-free)
had to do with the source license (and
did not address the entire IP minefield
regarding usage that many codecs live
in).  So the library with full capabilities
would presumably have to stay in
rpmfusion (at least until the remaining
patents expire, which I last saw estimated
to be around 2025/6), and the question
on the table is the group (nonfree vs free).
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Re: Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 7:03 AM Nicolas Chauvet  wrote:

> Also can you clarify why you need this over using the internal ffmpeg
> AAC codec ?

The Fraunhofer AAC library supports capabilities
that FFmpeg itself (if not compiled with the fdk
library) does (did?) not support, such as HEv1/2.
And, of course, it is a different library API from
FFmpeg itself.
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Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread Leigh Scott
The fedora fdk free package isn't equal to the rpmfusion package.

They use a different source code which has the patented code removed.

On 30/09/2020 08:02, Nicolas Chauvet wrote:
> Le mar. 29 sept. 2020 à 17:38, Tobias Girstmair  a 
> écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> While looking at my local packages I noticed fdk-aac installed from
>> rpmfusion-nonfree. The Review Request[1] mentions that (at the time) the
>> FSF and Debian[2] considered this license non-free. But since then, both
>> the FSF[3] and Fedora[4] have deemed the FDK-AAC license free but GPL
>> incompatible.
>
> Hi there,
> I would like to have view from others contributor on the topic, not
> only my own point of view...
>
> Also can you clarify why you need this over using the internal ffmpeg
> AAC codec ?
>
> Thanks.
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Re: Moving fdk-aac to -free?

2020-09-30 Thread Nicolas Chauvet
Le mar. 29 sept. 2020 à 17:38, Tobias Girstmair  a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> While looking at my local packages I noticed fdk-aac installed from
> rpmfusion-nonfree. The Review Request[1] mentions that (at the time) the
> FSF and Debian[2] considered this license non-free. But since then, both
> the FSF[3] and Fedora[4] have deemed the FDK-AAC license free but GPL
> incompatible.


Hi there,
I would like to have view from others contributor on the topic, not
only my own point of view...

Also can you clarify why you need this over using the internal ffmpeg
AAC codec ?

Thanks.
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