Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Tomasz Torcz
Dnia Sat, May 22, 2021 at 05:29:05PM +0200, Marcus Müller napisał(a):
> Hey,
> 
> On 22.05.21 10:54, Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers wrote:
> > Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?
> 
> I roughly once every half year do a test of nouveau, and sadly it's still got 
> crashes and
> the occasional display problem. Also, can't get nouveau to work with 2× 
> 2560px wide, nor
> could I do that with CUDA, which is the only reason I have relatively beefy 
> GPUs.

  As the thread started from Phoronix citation, let's continue: there's
allegely new open-source GPU driver coming. The vendor is undisclosed at
the moment, but it may be NVIDIA:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Big-New-Driver-Coming

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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Marcus Müller
Hey,

On 22.05.21 10:54, Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers wrote:
> Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?

I roughly once every half year do a test of nouveau, and sadly it's still got 
crashes and
the occasional display problem. Also, can't get nouveau to work with 2× 2560px 
wide, nor
could I do that with CUDA, which is the only reason I have relatively beefy 
GPUs.

Cheers,
Marcus
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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via rpmfusion-developers
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On 22.05.2021 10:54, Kevin Kofler wrote:

Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?


No. nouveau causes system hangs on most of NVIDIA cards. Proprietary 
drivers for the all NVIDIA cards are mandatory.


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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:02 AM Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers
 wrote:
>
> Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?
>

Perhaps the largest shortcoming is that there
is no automated voltage and re-clocking (for
the core and/or memory) support based on
GPU requirements and thermal headroom (the
GPU and memory start at lower power base
clock speeds).  Manual adjustments are
reasonably well supported via debugfs, but it
is still a manual process at this point and last
I looked is still marked as "incomplete" and
"experimental" by the developers (and
apparently certain combinations of settings
can result in GPU hangs/corruption or even
overheating damage).  There has been
repeated talk about someone (i.e. the random
someone else who does not actually exist)
writing some sort of GPU governor, but it has
never happened.  That certainly makes the
experience of using those cards far less
than optimal for some, driving those to the
proprietary driver (they want something that
just work).
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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 9:02 AM Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers
 wrote:
>
> Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?
>

Perhaps the largest shortcoming is that there
is no automated voltage and re-clocking (for
the core and/or memory) support based on
GPU requirements and thermal headroom (the
GPU and memory start at lower power base
clock speeds).  Manual adjustments are
reasonably well supported via debugfs, but it
is still a manual process at this point and last
I looked is still marked as "incomplete" and
"experimental" by the developers (and
apparently certain combinations of settings
can result in GPU hangs/corruption or even
overheating damage).  There has been
repeated talk about someone (i.e. the random
someone else who does not actually exist)
writing some sort of GPU governor, but it has
never happened.  That certainly makes the
experience of using those cards far less
than optimal for some, driving those to the
proprietary driver (they want something that
just work).
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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Leigh Scott
Yes they supported and include power management.


On 22/05/2021 09:54, Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers wrote:
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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-22 Thread Kevin Kofler via rpmfusion-developers
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Leigh Scott wrote:
> nvidia-470.xx will be the last release to support GTX 600/700 Series
> Kepler cards.
> 
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-470-Ends-Kepler
> 
> I don't intend to do 470.xx support, someone else will need to do a review
> and maintenance of it

Those cards are well-supported by the Nouveau driver by now, aren't they?

Kevin Kofler
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Re: NVIDIA 470 Series To Be The Last Supporting GTX 600/700 Series Kepler.

2021-05-21 Thread marcus_rpmfusion
Nvidia, as usual, has excellent timing in face of their Linux-based customers. 
Good time
to shut down support of a popular series (grml, got multiple of these for 
ML/DNN reasons)
when replacement cards that are actually wider in stream processors are 
virtually
unobtainable.

Can't do the maintenance myself. Honestly, NV should probably pay someone to do 
the
rpmfusion packaging¹. Seeing that won't happen in all likelihood... anyone 
willing to do
it if e.g. a funding drive promises a minimum yearly amount of recurring 
payment?

Best regards,
Marcus


¹ Which reminded me to donate a few Euros to https://www.paypal.me/rpmfusion

On 21.05.21 15:36, Leigh Scott wrote:
> nvidia-470.xx will be the last release to support GTX 600/700 Series Kepler 
> cards.
> 
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NVIDIA-470-Ends-Kepler
> 
> I don't intend to do 470.xx support, someone else will need to do a review 
> and maintenance of it
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