Re: [RollTideFan] More Barn News
And for those who hate the sons-of-bitches, it's a bright, bright sun-shiny day! Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Rick McMahan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 11:20 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] More Barn News > For those who truly love Auburn, this is a sad, sad day. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Another Barn Article
One more from the AJC suggesting Housel should resign... ~ http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/columns/bradley/index.html ~ [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 11/28/03 ] *Housel's actions are bizarre* The easy part of this job is ripping somebody I don't like. The hard part is ripping somebody I do. I like David Housel a lot. I believed he embodied all the good things about Auburn. I believe that no longer. David Housel used to be Auburn's sports information director, and in that capacity he was no worse than second-best in the nation. (Georgia's Claude Felton was and is without peer.) Housel became Auburn's athletics director in 1994, a move applauded in this and other spaces as a rare case of a good man getting his dream job. Alas, not every sweet dream has a happy ending. Housel heads a department that has embarrassed itself beyond redemption. Eight days ago, he and school president William Walker and two Auburn trustees flew to Sellersburg, Ind., on a private plane owned by Colonial Bank -- the notorious booster Bobby Lowder heads Colonial Bank, naturally -- to meet with Bobby Petrino, who coaches Louisville. In the course of that conversation, an understanding was reached that Petrino would become Auburn's next coach, a matter apparently uncomplicated by the ongoing presence of Tommy Tuberville as Auburn's current coach. When news of the meeting became public, Walker said he was sorry it happened and, backtracking, asked Tuberville to remain Auburn's coach. I don't know Walker, and if this is any indication how he runs his university I have no desire to meet him. But I've known Housel for 20 years, and I am appalled. Maybe he's scared of Lowder and/or Walker, but a cowed AD is a lousy AD. Vince Dooley had the guts to announce his public disapproval of Michael Adams' hasty firing of Jim Donnan. By way of conspicuous contrast, Housel flew with Walker and sat with Petrino while Tuberville was preparing his team to play Alabama, an annual event that has apparently clouded Housel's judgment. There's a tape of his comments, made to the Auburn radio network before Saturday's Iron Bowl, available on the Internet. It lasts six minutes and is chilling throughout. Housel mentions Vietnam and Dunkirk, Churchill and Ozymandias. He likens the Alabama game to a war without end. He calls those Alabama fans who might be listening "eavesdropping voyeurs." That these words were obviously scripted, as opposed to an off-the-cuff ramble, is doubly troubling. If this is truly the way Housel feels, he has no value to his university. We look to leaders for perspective, not flights of fancy. We look to the head of an athletics department to remind us that a football game is still, after the tumult and the shouting, still just a game. When a school's president gets the harebrained idea to meet with another school's coach - without, it should be noted, the knowledge or consent of the second school - while the president has a coach under contract, it's incumbent on the AD to say, "You can't do that. This isn't how honorable people conduct business. This is beyond the pale." If Housel made these objections, he didn't make them so strongly that the charter flight was aborted. Indeed, he tagged along. This is the same David Housel who didn't stand up for Terry Bowden when the notorious Lowder went after the coach during the 1998 season. This is the same David Housel who used to shake his head over the cutthroat methods he'd ascribe to hated Alabama. Somehow that principled man has become a capricious administrator who grants his coaches contract extensions - Bowden got one the winter before he was forced out; Tuberville was given a new five-year deal in February - and then abandons them. In its never-ending fight to one-up its avowed enemy, Auburn has sunk beneath the Tide. I wouldn't have believed such a thing could happen on this man's watch. The David Housel I know, or at least knew, likes the Atlanta Braves and Broadway shows and could differentiate right from wrong. Going poaching with a coach still in place was wrong. The David Housel I knew would be ashamed. The David Housel I knew would resign. ~ ROLL TIDE!! Rick __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] More Barn News
Just in case anyone's is interested in more barn bashing...here's the latest from the AJC... ~ http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/columns/barnhart/index.html ~ [ The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 11/28/03 ] *An embarrassment to Auburn* NCAA president Myles Brand says that he wants to bring a greater sense of ethical behavior to college athletics. The key to this, Brand said, is greater involvement in athletics by the college presidents. I'm paraphrasing here, but Brand's point is that presidents should be above the partisan, back-stabbing and often sleazy behavior that has become so common in college athletics. Good morning, Auburn. Welcome to the brave new world of presidential involvement. Eight days ago, about 48 hours before his school was scheduled to play Alabama, Auburn president William Walker got on a private jet owned by his most powerful booster, Bobby Lowder. Walker flew to a tiny airport near Louisville, Ky. Without asking permission from U of L athletics director Tom Jurich or his presidential counterpart, James R. Ramsey, Walker held a secret meeting with Louisville football coach Bobby Petrino. On the jet with Walker were athletics director David Housel and two members of the Auburn Board of Trustees. They wanted to determine Petrino's interest in the Auburn job should it come open. Petrino insisted Wednesday that Walker did not tell him that Tommy Tuberville, the current Auburn coach, was about to be fired. When news of the secret meeting became public, an embarrassed Petrino wisely withdrew his name from consideration and deservedly took his lumps after interviewing for a job that one of his friends still held. By Wednesday night an embarrassed Walker, with everybody including the governor questioning his sanity, issued a strangely worded statement that essentially said: "Sorry about that. Coach Tub can come back in 2004 -- If he wants to." *No loyalty, integrity* For the moment, let's set aside all the ethical questions raised by a college president secretly meeting with a coach who is under contract to another school. And let's forget about the fact that Walker had just concluded some joint meetings with the Louisville president earlier in the week but never said a word about his interest in Petrino. "I would really like to know what drove that president to fly up here," Jurich said. So would I, but here's the larger question. Where's the loyalty? Where's the integrity? If you don't want Tommy Tuberville to be your football coach, fine. Fire him or tell him he's going to be fired after the last game. But be a man about it. In his statement, Walker tried to spin the meeting with Petrino as just part of his evaluative process of Tuberville. That's ridiculous. You don't hire an executive search firm, which Walker did, unless you've made up your mind to make a change. And you don't fly around the country interviewing other coaches to decide if you're going to fire your present coach. And when you have a coaching staff busting their collective butts to get a team ready to play your arch rival, you don't encourage them in public and then go off and undermine them in private. *President should resign* This episode has already proven to be a monumental national embarrassment to Auburn. And think of this: Alabama is still on NCAA probation. The Crimson Tide had a losing season in 2003, and the effects of scholarship reductions are just starting to kick in. They have a young head coach who is still learning on the job. With all that negativity going on at its hated rival, Auburn still found a way to grab a ton of lousy press just in time for its coaches to go recruiting. It is a self-destructive episode of the worst kind. Walker has asked Tuberville to return at a time when the president has dug an even deeper hole for him and his coaching staff. Given what has happened, how can Tuberville ever trust this man again? Given the strong commitment that the SEC presidents say they are making to clean up the league's image, they should formally and publicly censure Walker for his actions. Then Walker should resign. If he doesn't resign, then Governor Bob Riley should fire him. Here's why: "I believe in honesty and truthfulness, without which I cannot win the respect and confidence of my fellowmen." That is the third principle of The Auburn Creed, written by George Petrie, the school's first football coach. It is the document which all Auburn men and women swear to uphold. It lists a number of qualities that make up the Auburn man or woman and ends with this: "And because Auburn men and women believe in these things, I believe in Auburn and love it." For those who truly love Auburn, this is a sad, sad day. ~ ROLL TIDE!! Rick __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave th
[RollTideFan] Farewell King Jackie...
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[RollTideFan] Happy Thanksgiving
Hope all of you had a Happy Thanksgiving. We all deserved ONE! Howard __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Fw: My Way News
Title: My Way News "We have the sweetest, finest bunch of kids in the world, and I love every one of them, but they're not tough enough. If we don't get some sure-enough, way-down-deep meanness, we're not going to beat anybody." - Alabama legend Bear Bryant. - Original Message - From: willbro3 To: Bob Baker ; Bob Freeman ; Buddy Pitman ; Joe Goodson ; Mike H ; Don ; Stuart H Barad ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; David B Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: My Way News This took intestinal fortitude.I am so proud we could pull this off with the utmost secrecy.GOD bless the USA.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031127/D7V337S00.html Bush Makes Surprise Visit to Iraq Email this StoryNov 27, 12:27 PM (ET)By TERENCE HUNT (AP) U.S. Army Specialist Thomas Huffstatler, left standing, of Summit Ark., standing, Sgt. Stephen...Full Image BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - President Bush made a surprise Thanksgiving visit to American troops in Baghdad Thursday, flying secretly to violence-scarred Iraq to thank U.S. forces for serving there. It was the first trip ever by an American president to Iraq - a mission tense with concern about his safety. "You are defending the American people from danger and we are grateful," Bush told some 600 soldiers who were stunned and delighted by his appearance. The president's plane - its lights darkened and windows closed to minimzie chances of making it a target - landed under a crescent moon at Bagdad International Airport. Bush flew in on the plane he most often uses, and White House officials went to extraordinary lengths to keep the trip a secret, fearing its disclosure would prompt terrorist attempts to kill him. The news of Bush's trip was not released until he was in the air on the way back to the United States. "If this breaks while we're in the air we're turning around," White House communications director Dan Bartlett told reporters on the flight to Baghdad. Security fears were heightened by an attack last Saturday in which a missile struck a DHL cargo plane, forcing it to make an emergency landing at the airport with its wing aflame. Bush spent only about two hours on the ground, limiting his visit to the airport dinner with U.S. forces. The troops had been told that the VIP guests would be L. Paul Bremer, the U.S. administrator in Iraq, and Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition forces in Iraq. In a ruse staged in the name of security, the White House had put out word that Bush would be spending Thanksgiving at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, with his wife, Laura, his parents and other family members. Even the dinner menu was announced. Instead, Bush slipped away from his home without notice Wednesday evening and flew to Washington to pick up aides and a handful of reporters sworn to secrecy. Plans called for the trip to be abandoned if word had leaked out in advance. Within the White House only a handful of senior aides knew about the trip, officials said. Security fears were underscored by regular attacks against U.S. forces in Iraq. More than five dozen U.S. troops were killed by hostile fire in November, more than any other month since the end of major combat in Iraq on May 1. Early this week, a U.S. military official, Col. William Darley, said attacks peaked at more than 40 per day about two weeks ago and have since dropped to about 30 per day. The violence persisted Thursday as the president was en route here. Insurgents fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the Italian mission in Baghdad, damaging the building but causing no injuries, the U.S. military said. Also, a U.S. military convoy came under attack on the main highway west of Baghdad near the town of Abu Ghraib, witnesses said. And in the northern city of Mosul,
Re: [RollTideFan] LSU's Fisher pulls out of Mississippi State coachingsearch
Ralph Russo, you're a damn idjut. Slef E. - Original Message - From: "kurt rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "rtf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [RollTideFan] LSU's Fisher pulls out of Mississippi State coachingsearch > RALPH D. RUSSO > Associated Press > The 59-year-old Croom __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] HTML DAMNIT!!
(Sorry about that! ) My fsking e-mail program is borked! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] LSU's Fisher pulls out of Mississippi State coaching search
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/sports/7364495.htm Posted on Thu, Nov. 27, 2003 LSU's Fisher pulls out of Mississippi State coaching search RALPH D. RUSSO Associated Press STARKVILLE, Miss. - LSU offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher withdrew from consideration for the head coaching position at Mississippi State on Thursday. The Bulldogs are looking to replace Jackie Sherrill, who announced in October he will retire after this season. Mississippi State (2-9, 1-6 Southeastern Conference) played rival Mississippi Thursday night, wrapping up a third straight losing season. Fisher released a statement through the LSU athletic department saying he canceled an interview with Mississippi State athletic director Larry Templeton that was scheduled for Saturday. Third-ranked LSU plays Arkansas in Baton Rouge on Friday. Fisher appeared to be the leading candidate for the job, drawing the most speculation in recent weeks. "It's obviously very flattering to have your name mentioned for a head coaching position in the Southeastern Conference," Fisher said. "On the other hand, I'm very happy here at LSU and as a result I have decided to pull my name from consideration for the head coaching position at Mississippi State." Fisher's withdrawal could open the door for Green Bay Packers assistant coach Sylvester Croom. A Memphis television station, citing unidentified sources, reported Wednesday night that Croom would be hired by Mississippi State. Croom released a statement through the Packers after Thursday's game in Detroit. "It is inappropriate for me to comment about that at this time," he said. Templeton denied the report about Croom before Thursday night's game. He said he has not offered the job to Croom nor would he confirm that Croom has been interviewed. "I've interviewed a lot of people. We're not going to discuss individuals," Templeton said. The 59-year-old Croom was an All-American center for Bear Bryant at Alabama in the early 1970s. He was an assistant for the Crimson Tide from 1977-86 and nearly landed the Alabama job when it came open last May after Mike Price was abruptly dismissed. The Crimson Tide were criticized by some, including The Rev. Jesse Jackson, for picking Mike Shula, who is white, over Croom, who is black and has more experience. The SEC is the only BCS conference to have never had a black head coach. Heading into the game against Ole Miss, Mississippi State was 8-26 over the past three seasons with just three SEC wins. The Bulldogs are also awaiting the results of an NCAA investigation into possible rules violations by the football program. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Happy Turkey Day
Rick McMahan wrote: Now I'm all set to sit down and watch the Egg bowl...starts at 6:30 on ESPN. Maybe King Jackie can go out a winner. I really hope so. IAWTP!! CLANG CLANG!! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] BUR...
Fruckin ERP!! ROLL TIDE!! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Happy Turkey Day
Happy Thanksgiving to all my BAMA brothers and sisters. Hope everyone had a safe and joyful day. I'm stuffed to the gills. Now I'm all set to sit down and watch the Egg bowl...starts at 6:30 on ESPN. Maybe King Jackie can go out a winner. I really hope so. I heard that Coach Croom will be announced as the new Bulldog head coach sometime after the game ends. ROLL TIDE ROLL!! Rick __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Merry Christmas Coach Shula
Thanks Aubie clowns. http://www.al.com/sports/mobileregister/nmccready.ssf?/base/sports/1069859723146910.xml RTR LC __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] "Javvy Special" (taint)
Subject: How the Catholic Church works There were two Catholic boys, Timothy Murphy and Secola Antonio, whose lives paralleled each other in amazing ways. In the same year Timothy was born in Ireland, Secola was born in Italy. Faithfully they attended parochial school from kindergarten through senior year in high school. They took their vows to enter the priesthood early in college and, upon graduation became priests. Their careers had come to amaze the world, but it was generally acknowledged that Secola was just a cut above Timothy in all respects. Their rise through the ranks of bishop, archbishop and finally cardinal was meteoric to say the least, and the Catholic world knew that when the present Pope died, it would either be one of the two who would become the next pope. In time the pope did die, and the College of Cardinals went to work. In less time than anyone had expected, white smoke rose from the chimney and the world waited to see whom they had chosen. The world, Catholic, Protestant and secular were surprised to learn that Timothy Murphy had been elected pope! Secola Antonio was beyond surprise. He was devastated, because even with all of Timothy's gifts, Secola knew he was the better qualified. With gall that shocked the Cardinals, Secola asked for a private session with them in which he candidly asked, "Why Timothy?" After a long silence, an old cardinal took pity on the bewildered man and rose to reply. "We knew you were the better of the two, but we just could not bear the thought of the leader of the Roman Catholic Church being called "Pope Secola." I wish ya'll the very best and have a great Thanksgiving ... Cheers -VO- __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Whither Mike Price?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/more/11/26/turkeys_2003/?cnn=yes kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Whiter Mike Price?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/more/11/26/turkeys_2003/?cnn=yes kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Ron Rice
BBWWHH!!! #1 Slef E. - Original Message - From: "Mike Laborde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Deere Ron Rice > Yep. The cross brining on Croom's front lawn will make the rest of the SEC forget the brick in Curry's window. > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:31 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [RollTideFan] Deere Ron Rice > > > Hope you're having a great time in Hawaii! Enjoy it while you can. You're gonna shit a brick when you get home and find out > Sylvester Croom will be coaching your Bulldogs next year. > > > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Happy Thanksgiving my Aura Tee Eff plas!
Bakatchya! Joe "We have the sweetest, finest bunch of kids in the world, and I love every one of them, but they're not tough enough. If we don't get some sure-enough, way-down-deep meanness, we're not going to beat anybody." - Alabama legend Bear Bryant. - Original Message - From: "kurt rasmussen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "rtf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2003 8:34 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Happy Thanksgiving my Aura Tee Eff plas! > ROLL TIDE!! > > kurt > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Happy Thanksgiving my Aura Tee Eff plas!
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RE: [RollTideFan] Deere Ron Rice
Yep. The cross brining on Croom's front lawn will make the rest of the SEC forget the brick in Curry's window. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RollTideFan] Deere Ron Rice Hope you're having a great time in Hawaii! Enjoy it while you can. You're gonna shit a brick when you get home and find out Sylvester Croom will be coaching your Bulldogs next year. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
