[RollTideFan] CECIL HURT: NCAA situation....
CECIL HURT: NCAA situation far from over in Memphis, courts January 14, 2004 Email this story. Last weeks NCAA letter from Thomas Yeager to University of Alabama President Robert Witt, calling a long-overdue halt to the possibility of institutional penalties arising from Alabamas 2002 infractions case, was a relatively commendable chapter in the long and unpleasant saga -- but it wasnt the final chapter, by any means. There are some good things about the letter. It signals a healthier future relationship between Alabama and the NCAA. It echoes other subtle signals from Indianapolis that the NCAA respects Witt. NCAA President Myles Brand didnt mention Witt by name in his keynote speech to the NCAA Convention in Nashville this week, but it was obvious that Brands glowing references to strong presidents taking a stand against coaches run amok was a clear allusion to Witts action in the Mike Price situation. For some, the promise of a more peaceful future is enough. Memphis is over. Since no revelations about the past can result in additional sanctions for Alabama, so the thinking goes, it is now best to move on. Thats not necessarily a bad way to look at things, particularly from an institutional standpoint. For Witt or Mike Shula, both of whom are unconnected to the events that caused so much turmoil in the Alabama program, the future is the proper place for emphasis. But that doesnt mean that the past should simply be forgotten, or unexamined, and it wont be. Due to pending legal actions in both civil cases and criminal cases, detailed exhumation of the Alabama case will continue -- and, like most exhumations, the results will not be pretty for anyone, including the NCAA. In particular, the criminal case against Logan Young has opened the NCAA archives to Youngs highly competent defense lawyers. Federal law assures them of access to virtually any materials needed to prepare a defense -- and that includes audiotapes and transcripts of information that many individuals thought would remain confidential, because the NCAA said that would be the case. People will say all sorts of things confidentially. Thats one reason why the NCAA bylaws contain a prohibition on the use of such confidential source testimony, and its the main reason that the Infractions Committees use of such testimony was short-sighted and stupid, regardless of what stipulations someone at Alabama might have made to allow its use. And once Youngs attorneys have access to the confidential records, they will soon become part of the civil arena as well, in the pending Ronnie Cottrell/Ivy Williams lawsuit, the Wendell Smith lawsuit and the lawsuits of other disassociated boosters that will be filed before too long. Intellectually speaking, the Alabama case is a huge, writhing monster that no one has yet wrestled entirely into submission. Ive analyzed it for years (some might say ad nauseum), and have been as subject to blind spots as anyone, but I do have one opinion that has remained unchanged since Feb. 2, 2002. Regardless of the NCAAs intent in the Alabama case, the ultimate effect was to sound the death-knell for any sort of co-operation from a school that has allegedly broken the rules. The past two years have simply reinforced that view. No other school has received penalties remotely approaching those that Alabama received. In the one instance where the Committee on Infractions seemed to come close -- the Michigan basketball case -- the Appeals Committee, in a transparently political decision, blithely reduced the penalties to little more than time served. Now, courtroom revelations in the coming days and weeks will also show that the NCAA cannot even live up to its guarantees of confidentiality. If you dont think those lessons have been learned elsewhere, just look at Auburns aggressive defense in its current basketball case. In practical terms, Alabama has served its sanctions, or will have served them all when the reduced signing class of 2004 is wrapped up early next month. From that point, nothing can be reduced and, the NCAA has promised, nothing will be added. But has the last shot been fired? Not by a long shot. Cecil Hurt is sports editor of The Tuscaloosa News. He can be reached at [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040114/NEWS/401140318/1067 __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] {is} Hilarious
$1 to Sum Won Subject: BLACK COMEDIAN AND BILL CLINTON There was a black comedian who said he misses Bill Clinton. Yep, that's right - I miss Bill Clinton!, he sez. He was the closest thing we ever got to having a black man as President. Number 1 - He played the sax. Number 2 - He smoked weed. and Number 3 - He screwed ugly white women. Even now - Look at him. . His wife works and he don't; And, he gets a check from the government every month. - Drugs may lead nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. Slef E. - Drugs may lead nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. No chit! Speaking of... Anybunny wanna caption this? http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0401/14/wmsu012.jpg kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
Did you see who was in attendance? From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/01/14 Wed AM 10:10:19 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. Slef E. - Drugs may lead nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] at 10:20 AM 01/14/2004: From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. No chit! Speaking of... Anybunny wanna caption this? http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0401/14/wmsu012.jpg You shoulda gone to Arkansas! Now squeal like a pig sooey! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
Logan Young? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice Did you see who was in attendance? From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/01/14 Wed AM 10:10:19 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. Slef E. - Drugs may lead nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
I GOTCHA LOOSE BAWLS! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. No chit! Speaking of... Anybunny wanna caption this? http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0401/14/wmsu012.jpg kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice
Ewes a fine mf...wantcha back that a$$ up -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Todd Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:50 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice I GOTCHA LOOSE BAWLS! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Renaldo Rice From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was cheering for yore Bulldawgs last night. That loss hurt _MY_ feelings. No chit! Speaking of... Anybunny wanna caption this? http://www.clarionledger.com/news/0401/14/wmsu012.jpg kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] fwiw..
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/news_message?Category=FORUMSThemeID=20GroupID=35InReplyTo=226190 It could be giving us a sample of an 8 hr. secretly recorded tape between Phat Phil and Tom Culpepper discussing recruiting schemes that were used against the Tide! Somehow, Logan Young got his hands on this tape, or a copy, and passed it along to Tommy Gallion, for review. This could make the case against the ncaa a little more interesting!! I wonder if this has anything to do with the ncaa suddenly dropping their most recent letter in our lap...well before the Memphis hearing could have dug up more condemning evidence on us. I bet the case against LY never makes it to the courthouse steps! Ram it home, Tommy!! (info is from a reliable, in close, source!) RTR! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] fwiw..
Last night, Rick Karle briefly mentioned this although not in as much detail. All he said was his 'sources' were telling him the case could be blown wide-open within the next two weeks. He did mention that Phat Phil was involved. Slef E. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:24 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] fwiw.. http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/news_message?Category=FORUMSThemeID=20GroupID=35InReplyTo=226190 It could be giving us a sample of an 8 hr. secretly recorded tape between Phat Phil and Tom Culpepper discussing recruiting schemes that were used against the Tide! Somehow, Logan Young got his hands on this tape, or a copy, and passed it along to Tommy Gallion, for review. This could make the case against the ncaa a little more interesting!! I wonder if this has anything to do with the ncaa suddenly dropping their most recent letter in our lap...well before the Memphis hearing could have dug up more condemning evidence on us. I bet the case against LY never makes it to the courthouse steps! Ram it home, Tommy!! (info is from a reliable, in close, source!) RTR! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Bama bounceyball
Is it on the tube tonight? kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Krut....
There is no place like home... Ninety-nine percent of failures come from people who have the habit of making excuses. - George Washington. - Original Message - From: Jeff Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Krut Y'all gone to hell fer that. Slef E. - Original Message - From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Krut LOL yeahall you got to do is rearrange the furniture and she is screwed. But seriously, she might have been deaf and blind, but she was very intelligent. ;-) Joe When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us Author: Helen Keller - Original Message - From: kurt rasmussen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Krut Joe Goodson wrote: TREE HUGGER!!! When one door of happiness closes, another opens; but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one which has opened for us Author: Helen Keller Joe's on to something here. Helen Keller otta know about not seeing *.* kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
