Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA
Balls of steel baby, nothing on this list troubles me. It's all in good
fun. Like you said in an earlier post, if you don't like the topic, hit
the delete key. But I still understand exactly were Spoon is coming
from. If it's not sports related, the courteous thing to do is place
{non} in the subject line. It's pretty simple and doesn't take much effort.
And when the broken hearted people
Living in the world agree,
There will be an answer, let it be.
--The Beetles
RMc.
Joe Goodson wrote:
At the bottom of every post on this list is a signature file that says,
.wear a cup.
nuff said
Joe
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings.
The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
-- Winston Churchill
- Original Message -
From: Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA
Mighty fine message, Rusty! Seriously.
I love everything about the Crimson Tide and that is the ONLY reason I
subscribe to these lists. I get extremely tired of the political/social
posts that come through every fscking day. But hey, I try to be a good
sport and take a peek at all the posts and usually hit the delete button
without giving it much thought. I have my opinions on the
political/social topics too but I pretty much have taken the stance that
I will not post them to this forum. To each his own...Now watch, next
week I'll probably post something stupid about my daughter's soccer team
or what kind of music the weather channel is playing or some other lame
brain topic... :)
BTW, this is a member's moderated list, so whenever someone steps out of
line anyone has the right to throw a flag...that's exactly what Rusty
did. It was a illegal procedure penalty, 5 yards, replay the down.
ROLL ON BAMA - ROLL ON!!! THE TIDE WILL RISE AGAIN, NO DOUBT ABOUT
IT!
RMc.
Rusty Spoon wrote:
Wow, Joethere was so much good BAMA related stuff there I almost
fainted
from pure delight.
If you insist on posting your inflammatory NON-BAMA drivel, please have
the
common courtesy to put Non or Non-BAMA in the subject line (see the
subject line of this post for an example of netiquette). I want to read
about the CRIMSON TIDE on this list. Period.
Thanking you in advance,
Rusty
ROLL TIDE ROLL!
P.S. Please do not feed the trolls
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Re: [RollTideFan] F-150s and other thots (non)
That definitely defines a bad day, brother. I think I'd take out a loan and forget the damb insurance deal. That way your neighbor doesn't have a claim filed against his policy. My policy rates went through the roof about a year ago after I got a fscking speeding ticket and my daughter accidentally broke out the rear glass on our van. RMc. kurt rasmussen wrote: My van is in the shop, and on the way to work my car broke down. Lucky me it was only at the end of my little country lane, and my neighbor pla let me borrow his farm truck today. So I get to work OK. It's an old truck, 180K+ on the odometer. Ford. F-150 straight shift. It was a bit of a challenge. The clutch, as is the case with all stick shifts, is peculiar to that vehicle. Once started from a standing stop, the shifting wasn't that much of a problem. A couple two/three high rev/ jerky shifts and some such. No big deal. well... So I get ready to leave work. It's parked in a lot directly facing a Dodge Ram (of much newer lineage). The lot is on a bit of a hill and I was hell bent that I wasn't going to roll forward while backing up. Unfamiliar with the clutch and all. So I throw my right arm over the seat and look back. Put it in reverse (SIC) and tach that bitch up pretty good. Letter rip!! WHOOP!!1! The damn thing didn't die! Only one minor problem. insert If, in 15 of the last 20 years of your life you drove a stick shift Chrysler product, and you want to go backwards, you slide the shifter to to the left, and push it forward. If, in the most recent day of your life you drive your Neighbors borrowed F-150 and you attempted the same shifter pattern... well.. /insert I LAUNCHED BABY! BINGO! HEAD SHOT! Nailed that damn Dodge dead nut! End result: Another scratch on a farm truck bumper. New bumper needed on a newer lineage Dodge truck needed. Damnit. btw, I call my insurance company to report it. Turns out the Bama's bassakward laws sez that the vehicle, not the driver, is primarily responsible for damages. I'm supposed to tell my kind, gracious neighbor to file a claim to pay for the damage I did? What in the hell is up with that?! DOUBLE DAMNIT! kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: Re: [RollTideFan] F-150s and other thots (non)
From: Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] That definitely defines a bad day, brother. I think I'd take out a loan and forget the damb insurance deal. That way your neighbor doesn't have a claim filed against his policy. If there's one chance he's gonna have to do _anything_ with his insurance, I'll outright pay to get the other fellers truck fixed. I'm quite leary about what what my insurance company is telling me. I ain't taking their word for nothing. I've got a little bit of homework do do. kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA
From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/19 Thu PM 09:20:25 EST President Bush's leadership That's funny! Is it today's TGIF groaner? __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA
ON the floor laughing Good one Velvet Leggs.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:12 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/19 Thu PM 09:20:25 EST President Bush's leadership That's funny! Is it today's TGIF groaner? __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Non-Bama
From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/19 Thu PM 09:25:41 EST The reason why all of those jobs are leaving the United States is because for 40 of the last 50 years the Democrats have been pulling their lungs out with corporate taxes. The corporations had to raise consumer prices to off set the higher taxes which drives down their sales because of foreign competition. Joe please turn off Rush and Hannity and expose yourself to another viewpoint. If you think taxes are high in the U.S. then you don't know jack about the rest of the world. Jobs are leaving the U.S. because we, collectively, earn so much more than many other countries. A garment worker in Central America makes less annually than a company pays for medical insurance for an American worker. But I get your logic: All bad decisions are a direct result of Democrats. All good decisions are a direct result of Republicans. What a refreshingly simple outlook on life. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
ODL.Lower taxes does not mean more jobs. Corporations are moving jobs overseas because it is cheaper to make a product or provide a service if the people who make that product or service earn 1/2 or 1/3 of what their US counterpart is making. Taxes have nothing to do with it. Some may try to believe that, but it isn't the case. Have you had the chance to watch Lou Dobbs on CNN anytime during the past two weeks or so? He's been doing a segment each night about jobs being moved overseas. Unless I missed it, he has not mentioned taxes as the reason, just cheaper labor. His latest report (that I was able to see) reported that the company that makes frames (?) for Chrysler (Hi Krut) is closing their plant up north and moving the operations to where? Mexico!!! And who the heck owns Chrysler? A German company. They have the ability to purchase the parts for their cars anywhere in the world, so the cheaper labor and benefits of other countries wins out. And where are most of the engines for Ford made? China. Transmissions? Overseas. Dude, look at the products around your computer now. Where are all these products made? China, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Mexico. Open up your computer. Chances are it was assembled in Mexico (or in Texas by illegals) from components made in China or Japan. You think Ford, Siemens, IBM, Tyson and the long list of companies who are moving jobs overseas are worried about taxes? November Pappa...they are worried about providing the cheapest made product to consumers so they can keep or gain market share. Period. Lowering taxes sounds like a feasible argument. But the rubber never meets the road. Lowering taxes on a corporation simply means more profit which in turn means better bonuses to the managers. Lower taxes for consumers, which I am all for, usually means more spending by consumers because they have more money. Sounds good till you realize that most consumers are ass-high in debt, have little or no savings, are trusting that Social Security or the Lottery will be their retirement and therefore save zero of their 'new' money for later. Do you really think that if corporations didn't pay any taxes that the prices of their products would reflect that? Hardly. But, I offer this as an opposite opinion of mine: http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?Story_ID=2442040 Also, I offer this article for your reading pleasure. At first I thought this was an article about the 'good' side of moving jobs overseas. But the more I read and the more I paid attention to the attitude the article was written in, I changed my mind. The author wrote the article as support for off-shoring jobs, but the attitude used made me wonder if this person lives in a locked room and has no concept of the impact of losing jobs. Here's a nice quote: The best-known report, by Forrester Research, a consultancy, guesses that 3.3m American service-industry jobs will have gone overseas by 2015-barely noticeable when you think about the 7m-8m lost every quarter through job-churning. I bet the 3.3 million people who lose their jobs will notice it. http://www.economist.com/agenda/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2454530 (PS, notice the articles never mention the 'tax' word.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Goodson Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:26 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:Re: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) The reason why all of those jobs are leaving the United States is because for 40 of the last 50 years the Democrats have been pulling their lungs out with corporate taxes. The corporations had to raise consumer prices to off set the higher taxes which drives down their sales because of foreign competition. Bush is right. Lower taxes means more jobs. A rising tide lifts all boats. Joe The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. -- Winston Churchill - Original Message - From: Joel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'RollTideFan' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:15 AM Subject: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) Of course there's the report of Tyson Foods decreasing their work force by 6,000 and Siemen's Technology announcing that they are transferring 15,000 programming jobs overseas to lower wage countries. But what is on the mind of the average voter? Bush's National Guard record and the rumor of Kerry having an affair. Bush Amnesty Sparks Surge in Border Crossings Thursday, February 19, 2004 By Matt Hayes On Jan. 27, the Copley News Service reported that shortly after President Bush announced his plans to amnesty millions of illegal aliens in the U.S., more than half of the Mexicans trying to sneak into the U.S. through San Ysidro (search) told authorities they
RE: Re: [RollTideFan] F-150s and other thots (non)
All that wouldn't have happened if you drove a nice AMERICAN made Toyota or Nissan truck. Them dayum cheap imported Fords are gonna be the downfall of this nation. Xoxoxoxoxo [EMAIL PROTECTED]/style.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Re: [RollTideFan] F-150s and other thots (non) From: Rick McMahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] That definitely defines a bad day, brother. I think I'd take out a loan and forget the damb insurance deal. That way your neighbor doesn't have a claim filed against his policy. If there's one chance he's gonna have to do _anything_ with his insurance, I'll outright pay to get the other fellers truck fixed. I'm quite leary about what what my insurance company is telling me. I ain't taking their word for nothing. I've got a little bit of homework do do. kurt __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
Taxes have nothing to do with it. Some may try to believe that, but it isn't the case. That's not totally true. Taxes do have an affect but not a single controlling affect. How may times have we read in the paper about the states offering tax incentives to corporations to locate a plant in Alabama? I seem to remember that's one of the ways we landed the Mercedes plant in Vance and the Toyota plant in Huntsville. We elect officials and praise them for getting the businesses and then bitch because the corporations aren't paying their fair share. Even if it is not direct tax reduction they do things like road and utility improvements, administrative assitance, reduced labor requirements, etc..., which in reality is just reduced taxes in another form. I know of countless times where corporations moved jobs to Alabama because they could get an engineer cheaper in Huntsville than they could in Washington D.C. or in California. So now we're getting a taste of the other side and we don't like it. I've been involved in several corporations with offshore labor efforts and the bulk of the jobs performed offshore where what we called monkey jobs (i.e. jobs you could train a monkey to do). Offshore labor is good at manual tasks but they can't be trusted to design or fully manage projects from start to finish. They just don't have the education and skills for this. So you offshore the manual tasks and manage the project from here. The United States has failed to properly educate its population to handle the new economy. We continued to allow millions of people to get by on simply knowing 1+1=2 and not 1+1=10 is also true. And we continue to believe the falicy that all we need to do is throw more money at it and everything will be alright. Wrong. Our Government has been working like this for many years. Very few civil servants actually do the work on Government development projects. All of the real work is done by contractors and the Government manages the project. It's cheaper. Same concept, different domain. Why, because it's cheaper for the Government to pay a contract to pay benefits than it is for the Government to pay them themselves. Lowering taxes sounds like a feasible argument. But the rubber never meets the road. Lowering taxes on a corporation simply means more profit which in turn means better bonuses to the managers. That's not true either. It may happen in some corporations but only those who don't know how to run a business. You can follow that philosophy for a short period of time, but eventually you're business is going to fail because you didn't grow your business. If you're smart, you'll take the opportunity with lower costs to expand and grow, and you'll reap more bonus money from the investment than you would just taking the money up front. Some do, some don't. But it is pretty niave to say it never happens. I've seen happen many times. Do you really think that if corporations didn't pay any taxes that the prices of their products would reflect that? Hardly. Again, most would. The cost of doing business in the United States is outrageous. In general if I want to hire a new employee, it will cost me twice what I pay them just to break even. Exactly how long should we expect the automotive industry functional equivalent of knit-one, pearl two to be worth $120/hour? Not long. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] NCAA Documents...
http://www.tidesports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040220/NEWS/402200380/1011 TUSCALOOSA | At the end of an eight-hour hearing in November 2001, an emotional Marie Robbins, speaking as the compliance officer for the University of Alabama at a hearing of the NCAA Infractions Committee, had a terse summation. I could never advise another school to do what we did The comment was prompted by concerns that the NCAA had, in effect, allowed violations in the UA football program to develop rather than work with UA officials to prevent or limit those violations, a common theme in the 424-page transcript of the hearing obtained by The Tuscaloosa News. The closed hearing covered 16 allegations of rules violations by the Crimson Tide football program, ultimately leading to harsh sanctions, an appeal and legal action by individuals that is still ongoing. Much of the eight-hour hearing was spent in evaluating the universitys compliance efforts and the assistance, or lack of assistance, given to those efforts by the NCAA and the Southeastern Conference office. Ultimately, UA was repudiated in stern fashion by the Committee on Infractions, which added additional penalties to those self-imposed by UA, rejecting -- and in some cases, ignoring -- UAs disagreements on factual matters and interpretations of NCAA legislation. Much of the information contained in the hearing transcript has already entered the public domain through the NCAAs Infractions Report, and through Alabamas appeal of the sanctions. Two former Alabama coaches -- Ronnie Cottrell and Ivy Williams -- have filed defamation lawsuits against the NCAA, as have disassociated boosters Ray Keller of Jackson County and Wendell Smith of Chattanooga. Another disassociated booster, multimillionaire Logan Young, has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Memphis for conspiracy charges relating to his involvement in the recruitment of former Memphis prep star Albert Means. However, the transcript contains the first unredacted look at precisely what was put in evidence before the Committee on Infractions and how Alabama officials and attorneys present at the hearing responded. Throughout the hearing, the NCAA Enforcement Staff hammers away at boosters Young and Keller, linking them or mentioning them in connection with virtually every infraction, even when there is no apparent connection to either. For instance, on an allegation regarding excessive entertainment, including strippers, at a recruiting party hosted by former UA player Fernando Bryant, UA enforcement representative Rich Johanningmeier says that Bryant -- who had two uncles that played in the NFL -- could have had the means to pay for the strippers because he was a very good friend of Ray Keller. Mark Jones, the NCAAs director of enforcement, said that the NCAA withheld information from Alabama on allegations of potential recruiting violations involving Kenny Smith and Means because we represent the rest of the schools. Our obligation has to be for the development of the information, because we represent the rest of the schools. For some reason, a lot of other people knew it, but they [UA] didnt. They could have known it, too. Jones indicated that the NCAA was concerned about sharing information because compliance officials at Alabama, including Robbins, were overmatched by a very powerful man [Young] who had control over a lot of people. [We] have every confidence in Marie and Gene [Marsh, Alabamas faculty athletics representative at that time] and the people on campus, but we did not think they had control over Logan Young. At another point, Jones says that the only reason the NCAA Enforcement Staff became interested in possible violations committed during the recruitment of Smith -- a recruitment which occurred more than five years prior to the UA infractions case -- was because it believed that Young was involved. I think maybe I might have even said to [Rich Johanningmeier] that if it was Logan Young or Ray Keller or somebody, its probably worth doing. But if this is just something else, I dont know if its worth the time it is going to take to investigate. Then-UA President Andrew Sorensen responded at one point, denying that Young exerted undue influence at Alabama. During all the time that Coach [Bob] Bockrath was our athletics director, and Coach (Mal) Moore was our athletics director, never once in any conversation that I have had with them, and I meet with them on a weekly basis, has Mr. Youngs name been referred to in any decision that we have made, Sorensen said. [Young] never enters the conversation. [Not] once has any trustee ever, in any circumstance said, I want you to do this because this is what Mr. Young would want. Never, ever, once. Jones returns to the issue in his closing statement, however, implying that the NCAAs actions were the only way to control Young. [UA compliance
[RollTideFan] Cecil sez:
TUSCALOOSA | At the end of an eight-hour hearing in November 2001, an emotional Marie Robbins, speaking as the compliance officer for the University of Alabama at a hearing of the NCAA Infractions Committee, had a terse summation. I could never advise another school to do what we did ... The comment was prompted by concerns that the NCAA had, in effect, allowed violations in the UA football program to develop rather than work with UA officials to prevent or limit those violations, a common theme in the 424-page transcript of the hearing obtained by The Tuscaloosa News. The closed hearing covered 16 allegations of rules violations by the Crimson Tide football program, ultimately leading to harsh sanctions, an appeal and legal action by individuals that is still ongoing. Much of the eight-hour hearing was spent in evaluating the university's compliance efforts and the assistance, or lack of assistance, given to those efforts by the NCAA and the Southeastern Conference office. Ultimately, UA was repudiated in stern fashion by the Committee on Infractions, which added additional penalties to those self-imposed by UA, rejecting -- and in some cases, ignoring -- UA's disagreements on factual matters and interpretations of NCAA legislation. Much of the information contained in the hearing transcript has already entered the public domain through the NCAA's Infractions Report, and through Alabama's appeal of the sanctions. Two former Alabama coaches -- Ronnie Cottrell and Ivy Williams -- have filed defamation lawsuits against the NCAA, as have disassociated boosters Ray Keller of Jackson County and Wendell Smith of Chattanooga. Another disassociated booster, multimillionaire Logan Young, has been indicted by a federal grand jury in Memphis for conspiracy charges relating to his involvement in the recruitment of former Memphis prep star Albert Means. However, the transcript contains the first unredacted look at precisely what was put in evidence before the Committee on Infractions and how Alabama officials and attorneys present at the hearing responded. Throughout the hearing, the NCAA Enforcement Staff hammers away at boosters Young and Keller, linking them or mentioning them in connection with virtually every infraction, even when there is no apparent connection to either. For instance, on an allegation regarding excessive entertainment, including strippers, at a recruiting party hosted by former UA player Fernando Bryant, UA enforcement representative Rich Johanningmeier says that Bryant -- who had two uncles that played in the NFL -- could have had the means to pay for the strippers because he was a very good friend of Ray Keller. Mark Jones, the NCAA's director of enforcement, said that the NCAA withheld information from Alabama on allegations of potential recruiting violations involving Kenny Smith and Means because we represent the rest of the schools. Our obligation has to be for the development of the information, because we represent the rest of the schools. For some reason, a lot of other people knew it, but they [UA] didn't. They could have known it, too. Jones indicated that the NCAA was concerned about sharing information because compliance officials at Alabama, including Robbins, were overmatched by a very powerful man [Young] who had control over a lot of people. [We] have every confidence in Marie and Gene [Marsh, Alabama's faculty athletics representative at that time] and the people on campus, but we did not think they had control over Logan Young. At another point, Jones says that the only reason the NCAA Enforcement Staff became interested in possible violations committed during the recruitment of Smith -- a recruitment which occurred more than five years prior to the UA infractions case -- was because it believed that Young was involved. I think maybe I might have even said to [Rich Johanningmeier] that if it was Logan Young or Ray Keller or somebody, it's probably worth doing. But if this is just something else, I don't know if it's worth the time it is going to take to investigate. Then-UA President Andrew Sorensen responded at one point, denying that Young exerted undue influence at Alabama. During all the time that Coach [Bob] Bockrath was our athletics director, and Coach (Mal) Moore was our athletics director, never once in any conversation that I have had with them, and I meet with them on a weekly basis, has Mr. Young's name been referred to in any decision that we have made, Sorensen said. [Young] never enters the conversation. [Not] once has any trustee ever, in any circumstance ... said, I want you to do this because this is what Mr. Young would want. Never, ever, once. Jones returns to the issue in his closing statement, however, implying that the NCAA's actions were the only way to control Young. [UA compliance officials] say they want something so they can take a crack at it, Jones said. We can take them at their word. Yet, despite all of that, we still have
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
Joel - you're responses and posts continue to show that have very little grasp on economic matters or matters of national security. Not surprisingly, you also proudly display your disdain with the current president. Many on this list wish you would stop posting your mindless drivel, sometimes I join them. But when I really think about, I just wish you would post it to a wider audience. Your obvious lack of intellect and proud support of the current democratic candidates offers a very clear picture of the type of people liberals (even though you claim not to be one) truly are. Please find a bigger audience to preach to. America needs voices like yours to be heard loudly. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
The United States has failed to properly educate its population to handle the new economy. We continued to allow millions of people to get by on simply knowing 1+1=2 and not 1+1=10 is also true. And we continue to believe the falicy that all we need to do is throw more money at it and everything will be alright. Wrong. This reminds me of something funny... There are 10 types of people in the world. Those that understand binary and those that don't. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] TGIF Groaner - (nonBama)
UNION HOUSE A dedicated Teamsters union worker was attending a convention in Las Vegas and, as you would expect, decided to check out the local brothels. When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, Is this a union house? No, she replied, I'm sorry it isn't. Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get? The house gets $80 and the girls get $20, she answered. Mightily offended at such unfair dealings, the union man stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully unionized shop. His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, Why yes sir, this is a union house. We observe all union rules. The man asked, And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get? The girls get $80 and the house gets $20. That's more like it! the union man said He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room and pointed to a stunningly attractive blonde. I'd like her, he said. I'm sure you would, sir, said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and she's next. cheers -vo- http://community-2.webtv.net/TIDE1/SOLDIER/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] TGIF Groaner - (nonBama)
VO, I love that picture of the Eagle - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cheers -vo- http://community-2.webtv.net/TIDE1/SOLDIER/ __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 9:16 AM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA ON the floor laughing Good one Velvet Leggs.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 8:12 AM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Double Talk - Non-BAMA From: Joe Goodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/02/19 Thu PM 09:20:25 EST President Bush's leadership That's funny! Is it today's TGIF groaner? This little exchange reminds me of an e-mail that I got recently that I feel is pertinent and points directly to President Bush's leadership that you fail to see and not-surprisingly, ridicule. The post below is obviously biased in that it fails to mention some military actions under Republican administrations such as Grenada and Panama, and I haven't fact-checked it. But I like it nonetheless in it's eye-opening nature. - Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst president in US history. Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on terror. TRY to remember, it was started by terrorists on 9/11. Let's look at the worst president and mismanagement claims. FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year. John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions. In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya and Iran without firing a shot, is currently cleaning up Clinton's mess in North Korea, again without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in history? Come on! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
Since when did the right to display disapproval of our President (you really should use caps when referring to him I think.) become anti-American and restricted? I thought that being an American also came with the birthright of being able to voice one's opinion and not have it squelched? Even if it is about the leader of the free world.Musta dreamt that up. And of course your accusations imply that I don't have a grasp of the times since they are obviously different from your own. In addition, you equate my lack of intellect and proud support of current democratic candidates as if they were inter-changeable. Nice try, but no stuffed elephant for you. No where, and please take your sweet time in checking with the archives, have I endorsed any candidate for the highest office in the land. I believe that on more than one occasion I have spelled out my political affiliation as not having one. But in case you missed it while you were busy checking the status of the search for WMD, I'll repeat it again: I have no political affiliation. Not democrat, not republican. Kinda in the middle. 'Independent' I think is the term. Which means that I can criticize, condemn, praise, laugh at, and vote for which person serves my needs the best. And yes, we all vote to serve our own needs and not the needs of the many. At the present time, Dubya is the only President we have that is actively invading other nations on a rumor; he is telling me the economy is getting better but I can't hear him for the crowd at the un-employment office is getting larger and louder; he is inviting millions of illegal immigrants to set up house and gain amnesty while I pay for it with my tax dollars; he is sending billions of dollars to travel to Mars for what I don't know (hard to understand that when I walk past homeless people on my way to work). He said he cut my taxes but my paycheck went down. He said we are a safer nation now. Then why the armed guards at all the airports. He said the economy is getting better but failed to mention the trade deficit or the national debt levels. If things are so dayum good, why did a record number of Americans file for bankruptcy last year? Now, if Kerry or Edwards wins the election and does stupid things (in my opinion), then if the opportunity arises, I will condemn him also. Something about Free Speech or something. I'm not about to divide the world into black and white (Reps and Dems) and sit on one side or the other with no guts to cross the line. As far as there being many on this list who don't care for my 'drivel', they have the same dayum delete key you have. Others who privately agree with me enjoy watching people like you squirm for answers to questions that I bring to the table. All you bring to the table are classless attacks on me for having an opinion that differs from yours. I'll be the first to admit, even though you've pointed it out many times, that I don't have the 'inside scoop' of economic events and matters of national security as you think you have so positioned yourself to have us think you do. All I know is what I read in the papers, see on TV and hear on the radio. And all of that may be wrong. Lord knows if the CIA, FBI, Army Intelligence and the Knights of Columbus can all get the WMD report wrong, then the media can also get their info f-ed up. But I try to read and understand both sides (Dems and Reps in your world) and then make up my mind as to how I believe. So, to make this interesting and to use up the rest of my chicken livers, in the future if you disagree with any of my postings, please include arguable facts to back up your opinion. That will at least give us a basis to state our (surely) different beliefs. And leave the attacks for foreign policy. And try to remain in the recent times. Talk and symbolism of things that happened before color TV should be left to the History Channel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:27 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) Joel - you're responses and posts continue to show that have very little grasp on economic matters or matters of national security. Not surprisingly, you also proudly display your disdain with the current president. Many on this list wish you would stop posting your mindless drivel, sometimes I join them. But when I really think about, I just wish you would post it to a wider audience. Your obvious lack of intellect and proud support of the current democratic candidates offers a very clear picture of the type of people liberals (even though you claim not to be one) truly are. Please find a bigger audience to preach to. America needs voices like yours to be heard loudly. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
Just to let you know, I don't have time to read your entire post right now, maybe I will later, at quick scan though it appears to be as mindless as your other stuff. However, I did read the first couple of paragraphs and will point out that my urging was the opposite of squelching your voice whatsoever. I encourage you to post to a wider audience. You may not have supported one of the democrat candidates directly, but your continued unsubstantiated bashing of the current President leads one only to assume that you are not supporting him in the upcoming elections. Unless you choose to cast your vote for a candidate from a third party who has no realistic chance of winning, then it is simple deduction that you must support the democrat party hopefuls. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 3:14 PM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) Since when did the right to display disapproval of our President (you really should use caps when referring to him I think.) become anti-American and restricted? I thought that being an American also came with the birthright of being able to voice one's opinion and not have it squelched? Even if it is about the leader of the free world.Musta dreamt that up. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all.......(WARNING: NON-BAMA)
Oh sorry. I just misunderstood you when you said Many on this list wish you would stop posting your mindless drivel, sometimes I join them. I mistakenly thought that you wanted me to stop posting my mindless drivel. Now, back to The Sean Hannity Show. Here's the link in case you don't have it bookmarked: http://www.hannity.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 2:27 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject:RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) Just to let you know, I don't have time to read your entire post right now, maybe I will later, at quick scan though it appears to be as mindless as your other stuff. However, I did read the first couple of paragraphs and will point out that my urging was the opposite of squelching your voice whatsoever. I encourage you to post to a wider audience. You may not have supported one of the democrat candidates directly, but your continued unsubstantiated bashing of the current President leads one only to assume that you are not supporting him in the upcoming elections. Unless you choose to cast your vote for a candidate from a third party who has no realistic chance of winning, then it is simple deduction that you must support the democrat party hopefuls. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joel Perry Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 3:14 PM To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Come one, come all...(WARNING: NON-BAMA) Since when did the right to display disapproval of our President (you really should use caps when referring to him I think.) become anti-American and restricted? I thought that being an American also came with the birthright of being able to voice one's opinion and not have it squelched? Even if it is about the leader of the free world.Musta dreamt that up. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
[RollTideFan] Attorney: I'm more convinced than ever that Logan Young will be acquitted.
http://www.wreg.com/global/story.asp?s=1657183ClientType=Printable Attorney: I'm more convinced than ever that Logan Young will be acquitted. Memphis, TN -The document is a look inside the NCAA hearing that put Alabama on probation, put one Memphis high school coach in prison and another on the unemployment line, and led to a Memphis multi-millionaire facing federal charges. Obtained and released by the Tuscaloosa News, the transcript from the hearing shows details of the NCAA's case against Alabama and the former booster Young. Attorneys claim the NCAA used questionable sources to get Alabama, and the transcript proves it. Young's attorney John Pierotti says if I were the President of a University I would be concerned how that organization conducts these kinds of hearings. In the hearing, NCAA officials acknowledged they would not have pursued some of the recruiting violations if Logan Young had not been associated with it. The NCAA alleges Young paid more than 100 thousand dollars to high school coach Lynn Lang to steer Albert Means to Alabama. The NCAA then turned over some of it's investigation to federal agents which charged Young with conspiracy and extortion. Germantown attorney Philip Shanks, who's clients are suing the NCAA, says the federal government may have just lost it's case against Logan Young. With the release of these documents I'm more convinced that ever Logan Young will be acquitted if he goes to trial. Portions of the transcript from November 2001 NCAA Infractions Committee Hearing. Mark Jones, NCAA director of enforcement stated Logan Young had control over a lot of people and stated the only reason the NCAA was interested in certain violations was because they involved Logan Young. Logan Young told a confidential source he bought Albert Means, paying $40,000 to Lynn Lang, $40,000 to assistant coach (Milton Kirk) and $35,000 to Felicia Means (Albert Means' mother) Milton Kirk's testimony alone was not consistent or credible enough to bring charges of the violations against Alabama and Logan Young. Former University of Memphis coach Rip Scherer helped corroborate Kirk's story. NCAA investigators had to direct Milton Kirk to discuss only one school's recruitment of Means. You can read the entire 424 page transcript at www.tuscaloosanews.com __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup! To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
