Re: [RollTideFan] (sound)

2004-08-05 Thread Jeff Todd
Hell, Jill Arrington was the only thing that came
to my mind. Strange, I know.

Slef E.

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> Awesome WAV. Thank you, Krut.
> 
> I want my Bama football NOW!


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Re: [RollTideFan] Ain't this purdy?

2004-08-05 Thread Ricky Mc
Namath RLABOSD!
kurtrasmussen wrote:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0809.jpg 



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Yea, Alabama! Drown'em Tide!
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Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways toHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread Joe Goodson
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/5/4/232350.shtml

Ha havery funny.  Now chew on this big boy.  Here is the truth on your
so called "hero".  You will tie yourself into a pretzel trying to justify
this.
Joe
America's abundance was created not by public sacrifices to "the common
good," but by the productive genius of free men who pursued their own
personal interests and the making of their own private fortunes. They did
not starve the people to pay for America's industrialization. They gave the
people better jobs, higher wages and cheaper goods with every new machine
they invented, with every scientific discovery or technological advance-and
thus the whole country was moving forward and profiting, not suffering,
every step of the way.
-Ayn Rand
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Subject: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways
toHarm Our Country' (non)


> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html
>
> WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of
"Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people."
> Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417
billion defense spending bill.
>
> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we."
>
> No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
> [...]
>
> Here's a mp3.
> http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3
>
> heh...
>
> kurt
>
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Re: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to thefirstfewminutesofFinebaum today?

2004-08-05 Thread Joe Goodson
Can you say, SHOW ME THE MONEY!?

Politicians never accuse you of "greed" for wanting to take other people's
money-only for wanting to keep your own money.
-Joseph Sobran
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thefirstfewminutesofFinebaum today?


> Sorry, guys, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for this girl even if
> someone close to me had been raped.  I don't think it's right to go a
man's
> hotel room, strip naked, perform some sexual activity & THEN say no.   Not
> only that, but she apparently had sex with someone else after the supposed
> rape.  That really sounds like someone traumatized, doesn't it?
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jeff Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:53 AM
> Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to the
> firstfewminutesofFinebaum today?
>
>
> > That would be my guess as well. And I'd react the
> > same fscking way if I were in his shoes.
> >
> > Slef E.
> >
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to the first
> fewminutesofFinebaum today?
> >
> >
> > > I think Vickers either had a daughter/niece/mother, etc. raped at some
> point
> > > in his life,
> >
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Re: [RollTideFan] Deere Boozer

2004-08-05 Thread Joe Goodson
If you have questions about copying a dvd, I have a friend who knows all
about it.  Ask, and I'll send his email offlist.
Joe
Politicians never accuse you of "greed" for wanting to take other people's
money-only for wanting to keep your own money.
-Joseph Sobran
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Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: [RollTideFan] Deere Boozer


> Thanks a lot for that brilliant idea about DVD copying.  I no longer have
my
> DVD, much less a copy.  The moron doesn't know how to do it.  Besides
that,
> he said you weren't getting one anyway.
>
>
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Re: [RollTideFan] (sound)

2004-08-05 Thread M Laborde
Thursday, August 5, 2004, 8:31:40 PM, you wrote:

kbn> I want football!
==

Awesome WAV. Thank you, Krut.

I want my Bama football NOW!








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[RollTideFan] UGA...

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://www.ncaa.org/releases/infractions/2004/2004080501in.htm

(posted without comment)

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[RollTideFan] (sound)

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://www.ilovewavs.com/TV/Sports/TV%20Theme%20-%20CBS,%20College%20Football.wav

WHOOPTH! 

I want football! 

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[RollTideFan] Namath: 'I feel great'

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://www.al.com/printer/printer.ssf?/base/sports-3/1091744642255440.xml&storylist=alabamasports

Namath: 'I feel great'

By ANDREA ADELSON
The Associated Press
8/5/2004, 5:15 p.m. CT

NEW YORK (AP) -- Joe Namath signed autographs, posed for pictures and shook plenty of 
hands during the New York Jets' kickoff luncheon Thursday.

Yes, everything seems to be going well for Namath these days.

Nearly eight months after embarrassing himself on national television, the Hall of 
Fame quarterback says he is sober — and as beloved as always.

"I was surprised at how many people have approached me and still do and offer their 
support and understanding," the former Alabama star said after the luncheon. "I blew 
it, I messed up. I'm not making any excuses for that, but I have changed. It's been 
good all over the country. I'm flattered, people have been very nice."

Especially in New York. Fans mobbed around his table, waiting to get a glimpse of the 
NFL great. He got the loudest cheers when he was introduced, and heard plenty of 
encouraging words from many of the same people who watched what happened last December.

In an interview during the Jets' game against the New England Patriots, Namath 
appeared intoxicated when he twice told ESPN reporter Suzy Kolber he wanted to kiss 
her. Namath subsequently apologized to Kolber.

Namath said he had been drinking for several hours before kickoff.

"It was a long day with a lot of partying, of course I was totally embarrassed," 
Namath said. "I let my family down, the Jets down, the fans. That kind of behavior I 
didn't condone. It was something that happened and thank God it wasn't the end of the 
world and it's not."

Namath went into counseling for alcohol abuse as an outpatient starting in January, 
and spent three months getting his life back in order.

"I needed some help," Namath said. "I realized that I'm the kind of person who can't 
drink anymore and that's that. I went a couple of months and got some help, talking 
about things, figuring out things and it's been great.

"I went 13 plus years, close to 14 years without drinking. I used to wonder why I ever 
drank in the first place, then went through a transition with the family and all and I 
developed a bad attitude which I have corrected."

Namath still has ties with the Jets, whom he guided to their only Super Bowl 
championship, and has attended several events for the team over the last few weeks. He 
has yet to read the recently released biography "Namath" by Mark Kriegel, saying, "I 
hope it's enjoyable."

One thing seems certain: Namath is enjoying his life more now that he has gotten help.

"You go through some tough times whether it be family situations, health situations 
and survival's important," he said. "And how you deal with the tough times. You can't 
run away from them. You have to confront them and hopefully make positive changes. I 
know I've made positive changes."

Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be 
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Re: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to thefirstfewminutesofFinebaum today?

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
Tim Boozer wrote:
Sorry, guys, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for this girl even if
someone close to me had been raped.  I don't think it's right to go a man's
hotel room, strip naked, perform some sexual activity & THEN say no.   Not
only that, but she apparently had sex with someone else after the supposed
rape.  That really sounds like someone traumatized, doesn't it?
She was wantin' a ride on that Black Bologna Pony and she got one.  Then 
she decided she wanna (try to?) fsck him again.

kurt
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[RollTideFan] Ain't this purdy?

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/images/cover/2004/t1cover_0809.jpg
kurt
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RE: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to thefirstfewminutesofFinebaum today?

2004-08-05 Thread Tim Boozer


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Behalf Of Pat Smoot
>Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:12 AM
>To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
>Subject: Re: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to
>thefirstfewminutesofFinebaum today?
>
>
>Sorry, guys, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for this girl even if
>someone close to me had been raped.  I don't think it's right to go a man's
>hotel room, strip naked, perform some sexual activity & THEN say no.   Not
>only that, but she apparently had sex with someone else after the supposed
>rape.  That really sounds like someone traumatized, doesn't it?
>
>

Don't get me wrong Pat. I agree with you. She "de-clothed" voluntarily and
I'm assuming was performing some "warm-up" activities. I am now strongly
doubting that she EVER said "no" at all, but only her and Kobe will probably
ever know the answer to that. Even so, what did she think was about to
happen?  I have no sympathy for her.


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[RollTideFan] Search for muscle by Alabama's Bates led to suspension but steeled him inside

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://www.al.com/sports/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/sports/1091728017132670.xml

Search for muscle by Alabama's Bates led to suspension but steeled him inside
Defensive end back after missing '03 for use of supplement 
Thursday, August 05, 2004
By PAUL GATTIS
Times Sports Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
TUSCALOOSA - It was mid-January 2003, and Todd Bates was in a good mood. 

He was in the weight room with his teammates on the Alabama football team, lifting the 
weights and building the muscles that make teams strong when rivals like Tennessee and 
Auburn come around in October and November. 

But on the second floor of the Alabama football complex, Bill McDonald was leaving his 
office, heading down the stairs and into the weight room. 

 
McDonald, the Crimson Tide's director of sports medicine, was looking for Bates. 

They usually laugh and joke when they see each other - McDonald with his easygoing 
personality and 18 years of working with athletes at Alabama, Bates with a size XL 
smile and a certain giddiness at finally being healthy. 

"I need to see you, Todd," McDonald said. 

"Well, see me," Bates shot back through his trademark grin. 

But McDonald wasn't laughing. 

"No, it's serious." 

(long article.  click on link)

kurt


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Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'newWays toHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread Jeff Todd

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'newWays toHarm 
Our Country' (non)


> FOUR MORE YEARS!! 
> (is that better?) 

MUCH BETTER! 

As is this:


http://www.drudgereport.com/ufd1.htm

X DRUDGE REPORT X THU AUG 04, 2004 10:14:25 ET X

VETS CHARGE: KERRY KILLED FLEEING TEEN; LIED FOR MEDAL

Slaughters Animals, Burns Down Tiny Village

**Exclusive**

A veterans group seeking to deeply discredit Democrat John Kerry's 
military service will charge in the new bombshell book UNFIT FOR 
COMMAND:

"Kerry earned his Silver Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet 
Cong in a loincloth."

"And if Kerry's superiors had known the truth at the time, they would 
never have recommended him for the medal."

The book also claims to detail how Kerry personally ordered the 
slaughter of small animals at a small hamlet along the Song Bo De 
River.

MORE

The book, set for release next week, hit #1 on the AMAZON hitparade 
after the DRUDGE REPORT revealed details of the book -- a book the 
Kerry camapign believes is the"the dirtiest of all dirty tricks ever 
played on a candidate for the presidency."

The Kerry campaign is planning to vigorously counter the charges and 
will accuse the veteran's groups of being well-financed by a top Bush 
donor from Texas.

The vets have launched a blistering new TV commercial questioning 
Kerry's honor and calling him a liar.

MORE

George Bates, an officer in Coastal Division 11, participated in 
numerous operations with Kerry. In UNFIT FOR COMMAND, Bates recalls a 
particular patrol with Kerry on the Song Bo De River. He is still 
"haunted" by the incident:

With Kerry in the lead, the boats approached a small hamlet with three 
or four grass huts. Pigs and chickens were milling around peacefully. 
As the boats drew closer, the villagers fled. There were no political 
symbols or flags in evidence in the tiny village. It was obvious to 
Bates that existing policies, decency, and good sense required the 
boats to simply move on.

Instead, Kerry beached his boat directly in the small settlement. Upon 
his command, the numerous small animals were slaughtered by 
heavy-caliber machine guns. Acting more like a pirate than a naval 
officer, Kerry disembarked and ran around with a Zippo lighter, burning 
up the entire hamlet.

Bates has never forgotten Kerry's actions.

MORE

UNFIT FOR COMMAND, DRUDGE has learned, claims Kerry "earned his Silver 
Star by killing a lone, fleeing, teenage Viet Cong in a loincloth."

ARE THE VETS TELLING THE TRUTH?

"They hired a goddamn private investigator to dig up trash!" charged a 
top Kerry adviser traveling with the senator late Tuesday. "This is pay 
for play... How low can they go?"

Kerry supporters are comparing the effort by the veterans to the 
Arkansas State troopers tell-all against Bill Clinton.

MORE

John O'Neill, co-author of UNFIT FOR COMMAND, believes that "Kerry's 
Star would never have been awarded had his actions been reviewed 
through normal channels. In his case, he was awarded the medal two days 
after the incident with no review. The medal was arranged to boost the 
morale of Coastal Division 11, but it was based on false and incomplete 
information provided by Kerry himself."

According to Kerry's Silver Star citation, Kerry was in command of a 
three-boat mission on the Dong Cung River. As the boats approached the 
target area, they came under intense enemy fire. Kerry ordered his boat 
to attack and all boats opened fire. He then beached directly in front 
of the enemy ambushers. In the battle that followed, the crews captured 
enemy weapons. His boat then moved further up the river to suppress 
more enemy fire. A rocket exploded near Kerry's boat, and he ordered to 
charge the enemy. Kerry beached his boat 10 feet from the rocket 
position and led a landing party ashore to pursue the enemy.

Kerry' citation reads: "The extraordinary daring and personal courage 
of Lt. Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of 
intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."

Here's what O'Neill and the Swiftees say: "According to Kerry's crewman 
Michael Madeiros, Kerry had an agreement with him to turn the boat in 
and onto the beach if fired upon. Each of the three boats involved in 
the operation was involved in the agreement." O'Neill writes that one 
crewman even recalls a discussion of probable medals.

Doug Reese, a pro Kerry Army veteran, recounted what happened that day 
to O'Neill, "Far from being alone, the boats were loaded with many 
soldiers commanded by Reese and two other advisors. When fired at, 
Reese's boat--not Kerry's--was the first to beach in the ambush zone. 
Then Reese and other troops and advisors (not Kerry) disembarked, 
killing a number of Viet Cong and capturing a number of weapons. None 
of the participants from Ree

Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways toHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread John R. Wodziak
"Four more years in Hell!!" -- T. Kerry
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED] at 14:18 05-08-04:
Sorry about that.
FOUR MORE YEARS!!
(is that better?)
kurt
>
> From: Jeff Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/08/05 Thu PM 02:00:45 EDT
> To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new 
Ways
>   toHarm Our Country' (non)
>
> Why do you hate America, Krut?
>
> Slef E.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new 
Ways toHarm Our Country' (non)
>
>
> > http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html
> >
> > WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his 
catalog of "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will 
"never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people."
> > Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a 
$417 billion defense spending bill.
> >
> > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush 
said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and 
our people, and neither do we."
> >
> > No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted.
> > [...]
> >
> > Here's a mp3.
> > http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3
> >
> > heh...
> >
> > kurt
> >
> >
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RE: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new WaystoHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread Devan Orange
What he said...

-Original Message-
Slef wrote:

Why do you hate America, Krut?

Slef E. 

- Original Message - 
krut spewed:


> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html
> 
> WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of
"Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people." 
> Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417
billion defense spending bill. 
> 
> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said.
"They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people,
and neither do we." 
> 
> No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted. 
> [...]
> 
> Here's a mp3.
> http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3
> 
> heh... 
> 
> kurt
> 
> 







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Re: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways toHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
Sorry about that. 

FOUR MORE YEARS!! 
(is that better?) 

kurt
> 
> From: Jeff Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2004/08/05 Thu PM 02:00:45 EDT
> To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List
>   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways
>   toHarm Our Country' (non)
> 
> Why do you hate America, Krut?
> 
> Slef E. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:56 PM
> Subject: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways toHarm Our 
> Country' (non)
> 
> 
> > http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html
> > 
> > WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of 
> > "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop 
> > thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people." 
> > Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion 
> > defense spending bill. 
> > 
> > "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They 
> > never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither 
> > do we." 
> > 
> > No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted. 
> > [...]
> > 
> > Here's a mp3.
> > http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3
> > 
> > heh... 
> > 
> > kurt
> > 
> > 
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Re: [RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways toHarm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread Jeff Todd
Why do you hate America, Krut?

Slef E. 

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> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html
> 
> WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of 
> "Bushisms" on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop thinking 
> about new ways to harm our country and our people." 
> Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion 
> defense spending bill. 
> 
> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never 
> stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." 
> 
> No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted. 
> [...]
> 
> Here's a mp3.
> http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3
> 
> heh... 
> 
> kurt
> 
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[RollTideFan] Bush Insists His Administration Seeking 'new Ways to Harm Our Country' (non)

2004-08-05 Thread kurtrasmussen
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBCWNR3JXD.html

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush offered up a new entry for his catalog of "Bushisms" 
on Thursday, declaring that his administration will "never stop thinking about new 
ways to harm our country and our people." 
Bush misspoke as he delivered a speech at the signing ceremony for a $417 billion 
defense spending bill. 

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," Bush said. "They never 
stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." 

No one in Bush's audience of military brass or Pentagon chiefs reacted. 
[...]

Here's a mp3.
http://www.thisisnotmy.com/media/gwb_harmpeople.mp3

heh... 

kurt


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[RollTideFan] Welcome, Convicts

2004-08-05 Thread Jeff Todd
 http://makeashorterlink.com/?F27C24AF8

Welcome, Convicts
Winston-Salem Journal
Thursday, August 5, 2004


North Carolina fans of the now-expanded Atlantic Coast Conference got a bitter taste 
of just what they are in for last week with two bits of football news.

The first came from the pre-season poll of ACC football writers, who are predicting 
that the entry of Miami and Virginia Tech into the league will send all four North 
Carolina schools to the second division in the standings. While disappointing, that 
news is made less painful by the fact that the games must still be played, and that 
there is always a chance for a breakthrough season from at least one of the four teams.

Much more disturbing was news that the University of Miami has admitted - and granted 
a football scholarship to - a star linebacker with several felony convictions, a few 
convictions on lesser charges from as recently as this summer, and a total of 10 
arrests.

With the admission of Miami, the ACC has a member with a good academic program but an 
athletic reputation for recruiting thugs and convicts.

Some ACC fans may have thought that Miami would clean up its act once it aligned with 
schools that have reputations for strong academics and high standards of 
student-athlete conduct. No doubt, leaders of long-time ACC schools hoped the days of 
Miami's brutish behavior ended when football coaches Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson 
left the school in the 1990s.

There are some who are saying that the star, Willie Williams, deserves a second 
chance. Maybe he does. But with his admission to Miami, he's being given an 11th 
chance. At some point, around the granting of chance six or seven, the gifted 
youngster - who has a fairly strong academic record - probably figured out that star 
ballplayers get all the chances they need.

Miami's decision contrasts starkly with decisions at two other ACC schools. In the 
spring, after star basketball recruit JamesOn Curry was convicted on drug charges, UNC 
Chapel Hill wished him well elsewhere. On Tuesday, Virginia Tech suspended its star 
quarterback, Marcus Vick, for his legal problems.

Williams' admission to Miami, a private school, comes at a time when all UNC system 
schools are being asked to be more diligent in checking the criminal pasts of their 
prospective students. That effort is following on the murder, this spring, of two 
students, in separate incidents, at UNC Wilmington. Neither case involved student 
athletes.

The parents of prospective students must wonder how diligent Miami will be in this 
regard if, just to gain the tackling talents of one ballplayer, the school has set the 
standard for admission at no more than 10 arrests.


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RE: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to the first fewminutesofFinebaum today?

2004-08-05 Thread Lizard Fish
>
> or he and Finebaum talked about it ahead of time and decided
> that Vickers will make a big issue about it so that they can
> get everybody stirred up on a slow news/sports day.
> 
That was my impression when I heard it yesterday.  I think they
do this a lot just to stir things up a bit.


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RE: Re[2]: [RollTideFan] Anyone listen to the first few minutesofFinebaum today?

2004-08-05 Thread Tim Boozer
I went back and listened to the first few minutes to see what this was all
about and he does seem "a little" over-sensitive.

The basic premise of what Finebaum was saying was that we can't really take
much of what the girl says seriously if she lied about having sex with
another guy in between the time of the supposed rape and going to the
doctor. Not only did she lie about it, but that also doesn't exactly fit the
pattern of a rape victim.

Vickers is totally taking the "no means no" side, but in reality, any girl
could claim to have said no after the fact, particularly when there is a
bunch of money involved.

I think Vickers either had a daughter/niece/mother, etc. raped at some point
in his life, or he and Finebaum talked about it ahead of time and decided
that Vickers will make a big issue about it so that they can get everybody
stirred up on a slow news/sports day.



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[RollTideFan] Deere Boozer

2004-08-05 Thread Pat Smoot
Thanks a lot for that brilliant idea about DVD copying.  I no longer have my
DVD, much less a copy.  The moron doesn't know how to do it.  Besides that,
he said you weren't getting one anyway.



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