[rules-users] matches operator

2012-03-11 Thread shawn
Hey there.
I get stuck on using matches operator. The Documentation doesn't say the
operator in details.
I just need to find whether String2 contains String1 (Ignore Case).
Now I have a key(String variable) and a value(String variable).
If I write key matches value, I know it definitely wrong. So is there anyone
knows how to write it?

Cheers.
Shawn

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Re: [rules-users] matches operator

2012-03-11 Thread shawn
Thanks for your reply.
Is this means I can't match two string variables?
Only match a string constant with a string variable? 

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Re: [rules-users] matches operator

2012-03-11 Thread shawn
Thanks

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Re: [rules-users] Simple question about String comparison in Drool

2012-03-08 Thread shawn
Thank you`

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[rules-users] Simple question about String comparison in Drool

2012-03-07 Thread shawn
I insert several strings into working memory to make a comparison. But how to
compare a anonymous string to another string. code like:

List String s = ArrayList String
String key

function void insertValue( s, KnowledgeHelper kh ) {

for( String string : s ) {
kh.insert( string );
}

}
...
When
not $string : String( toString() == key)
Then
Obviously, toString() can not do this task.
How to get the string's value ?
Cheers.

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Re: [rules-users] Drool Function error

2012-03-01 Thread shawn
Thank you~

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[rules-users] How to make the working memory clean?

2012-03-01 Thread shawn
I don't understand the garbage collection mechanism in drool, though I have
read the expert documentation.
1 - how to retract a global variable in drool?
2 - how to retract all the facts that have been inserted into the working
memory? If I use halt(), does it retract all facts in the working memory and
stop the all the rules?


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Re: [rules-users] How to make the working memory clean?

2012-03-01 Thread shawn
Thank you very much~
1- You don't retract, you can set it to null, same way as set to an
object.
Is it in java or in drool? If I understand correct, global variable is not
really inserted into the working memory,right? Global just ensure drool can
see the variable?
2-Several ways, simple is to use KnowledgeSession's getFactHandles, and
retract them. Or dispose the entire Session, and create another one, which
might be faster.
You mean the working memory belongs to the Session not knowledgeBase?
Because I have to keep the knowledgebase running all the time, I have to
ensure each fire() don't leave any useless facts in the working memeory.

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Re: [rules-users] How to make the working memory clean?

2012-03-01 Thread shawn
Thanks a lot.

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[rules-users] Drool Function error

2012-02-29 Thread shawn
I write a function in drool, but it always  has error.
The error is :The method insertLogical(PreCondition) is undefined for the
type InsertPreCondition
Is it because insertLogical must be used in RHS?
Is there any way to use insertLogical in function or implement the function
in RHS?

code:
import PreCondition;
import Authorization;

function void insertPreCondition(Authorization a) {
// a.getPreCondition()  returns an arraylist
for( PreCondition pc : a.getPreCondition() ){
insertLogical( pc );
}

}

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-26 Thread shawn
Hi Michael,
Thank you for your reply~
Now, I understand some mechanism of building dynamic class.
Back to my question,
if I understand correct, those methods you mentioned is to add a drl
file(exist) to the knowledgeBase dynamically, right?
But how about the file?
I mean if I need to write Condition 1 AND Condition 2 OR Condition 3
into the file, does drool have API to do it.
Because the content that I write into the file is also dynamic. What I
really want to do is how to make the drl file exist first? Does it mean I
have to create the file myself, and after finished creation I can add it
dynamically?

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-26 Thread shawn
Thank you ~
I will learn the documentation more.


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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-26 Thread shawn
Sorry, I forget to mention one thing.
What's really difficult for me is to translate the AND,OR(Condition 1
AND Condition 2 OR Condition 3) to the drool.
Because someone will send the request with the expression(Condition 1 AND
Condition 2 OR Condition 3) to me. For each request the expression is
different. They hope I can translate the AND,OR to rule file
automatically. They don't want drool to parse the expression(maybe string)
to pick AND, OR.  This is why they want to have a rule file for each
request. They want to trigger the function to make a rule file when they are
making the expression, not only simply send me the expression and verify
it..

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-26 Thread shawn
Thank your for your reply~
I am developing the Identity and Access management. I have finished the
basic requirement, but the pre-condition part is what I am doing. The
website sends the pre-condition(like what IP address or the time period can
user access) that user sets. The pre-conditions are what I mentioned
(expression). The difficulty is one expression may consist of several
pre-conditions and every condition may be related to different rules. So
here is the problem, how to verify users' authorization based on the
expression which contains many operators(AND, OR). The number of AND,
OR in the expression are set by users. This is why I thought to create a
rule file for each expression when the expression is created. In this case,
I won't bother how many AND, OR a  expression contains.
By the way, I also thought about parsing the expression in Java, then
inserting every single condition into working memory. But it seems Drool can
not be fully used in this way. Because it only looks like a if-else
block
Do you have any other solution for this requirement?
Cheers

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-26 Thread shawn
Thank your for your reply~ 
I am developing the Identity and Access management. I have finished the 
basic requirement, but the pre-condition part is what I am doing. The 
website sends the pre-condition(like what IP address or the time period can 
user access) that user sets. The pre-conditions are what I mentioned 
(expression). The difficulty is one expression may consist of several 
pre-conditions and every condition may be related to different rules.

So here is the problem, how to verify users' authorization based on the 
expression which contains many operators(AND, OR). The number of AND, 
OR in the expression are set by users. This is why I thought to create a 
rule file for each expression when the expression is created. In this case, 
I won't bother how many AND, OR a  expression contains. 
By the way, I also thought about parsing the expression in Java, then 
inserting every single condition into working memory. But it seems Drool can 
not be fully used in this way. Because it only looks like a if-else 
block 

Do you have any other solution for this requirement? 
Cheers 



laune wrote
 
 A (dynamic) request with a logical expression that is to be evaluated
 as
 a rule is very much like a (dynamic) SQL query to be evaluated on a
 database.
 
 Are you sure that Drools is the right platform?
 
 If someone wants to send a logical expression in a formal language of
 their
 own, you'll have to parse that expression and translate it into the Drools
 Rule
 Language (aka DRL). Perhaps a Domain Specific Language might help, but
 there's no telling from the very sparse information you've provided. (In
 any case
 someone and Drools will have to agree on the  data model and the way to
 refer to the data, or else you'll have to do more work.)
 
 -W
 
 
 On 26 February 2012 16:00, shawn lt;youngxiao121@gt; wrote:
 
 Sorry, I forget to mention one thing.
 What's really difficult for me is to translate the AND,OR(Condition 1
 AND Condition 2 OR Condition 3) to the drool.
 Because someone will send the request with the expression(Condition 1 AND
 Condition 2 OR Condition 3) to me. For each request the expression is
 different. They hope I can translate the AND,OR to rule file
 automatically. They don't want drool to parse the expression(maybe
 string)
 to pick AND, OR.  This is why they want to have a rule file for each
 request. They want to trigger the function to make a rule file when they
 are
 making the expression, not only simply send me the expression and verify
 it..

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-25 Thread shawn
Hi~
Do you have any example about using stringBuilder?
Cheers

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[rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-24 Thread shawn
If it is possible to create a drl file or decision table dynamically in drool
or java?
Like the drool received data then create drl or decision table based on the
data?
Data: Condition 1 AND Condition 2 OR Condition 3 .
Can the above data be stored in the rule file which also contains the
operators AND, OR?


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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-24 Thread shawn
Thanks for your reply.
Sorry, I am not quite clear about your first option.
What's the meaning of 'Construct a DRL String'?


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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-24 Thread shawn
Is it from JBPM or ?

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-24 Thread shawn
Thank you~
Does it mean I have to write a file in java and saved it as .drl?
fluent API is in jbpm, right?

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Re: [rules-users] How to create a drl file or decision table dynamically?

2012-02-24 Thread shawn
Thanks a lot~
Looking forward to hearing from you.

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Re: [rules-users] rule with array

2012-02-16 Thread shawn
Thank you~

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Re: [rules-users] rule with array

2012-02-16 Thread shawn
Thanks~~

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[rules-users] KnowledgeBase and KnowledgePackage

2012-02-16 Thread shawn
I am a beginner. Just ask a simple question:
What's the difference between KnowledgeBase and KnowledgePackage?
In which case should I use knowledgePackage? Collection or ?


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[rules-users] rule with array

2012-02-15 Thread shawn
Hi,
I meet a problem to find an element in an array.
First, I have a 2 dimensional array and a 1 dimensional array.
I need to compare whether the element in 2 dimensional array is as same as 1
dimensional array.
How to solve it?
Like:
In Java - int [][] A; int [] B;
how to iterate array A and array B to find which element is the same in
Drool?


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Re: [rules-users] rule with array

2012-02-15 Thread shawn
yeah, I have thought about it. But if I use function, I have to write three
for loops. like:

/*function Boolean findSubject(Request request) {

Pointer sPointer = request.getSubjectPath(); 
Pointer aPointer = request.getAuthorTable();
for( int i = 0; i  p.length; i++ ) {
for( int j = 0; j  p[i].length; j++) {
for( Iterator iter = aPointer.iterator(); 
iter.hasNext(); )
// if..else

}
}   
}*/

sPointer is a int[][]; aPointer is a ArrayList. I need to find which element
in aPointer has the same value in sPointer.

If I use function, I think it the efficiency is not so good. Do you have any
other ideas?

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Re: [rules-users] rule with array

2012-02-15 Thread shawn
I found someone idea. It's kind of like split array.
when
Request( $sPath : getSubjectPath() )  // get two dimensional array
then
for( int i = 0; i  $sPath.length; i++ ) {

insert( $sPath[i]);

}
But I don't know how to find the facts that are inserted through for loop.


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[rules-users] How to use database in drool

2012-02-12 Thread shawn
Hi~
My project requires to use drool interact with MySQL.
Like once the rule engine received a request, the engine will ask the
database to send some fact to the engine. The engine should give a result
after matching the fact with the rule (in rule engine).
Is there any tutorial for building connection between the engine to the
database?
I know Hibernate can do it, but for SQL is there any way to do it?

Regards,
Shawn

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Re: [rules-users] How to use database in drool

2012-02-12 Thread shawn
Thanks~~

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[rules-users] prevent infinite loops

2010-01-29 Thread Garner, Shawn
Is there a good way to globally prevent infinite loops.
I had rule A and rule B and they both have FactA on the condition.
They also both modify FactA.
I tried no-loop and it prevents a loop of repeating RuleA over and over.
However it then goes from Rule A back to Rule B back to Rule A.
I fixed it by lock-on-active instead of no-loop.

However I was wondering if there was either a timeout feature or a maximum 
number of times you could set a rule to be executed to error out on infinite 
loops.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks,
SDG


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[rules-users] error on retracting fact on drools 5.0.1

2010-01-21 Thread Garner, Shawn
I have a rule and it is supposed to retract two objects

when

$objectOne : ObjectOne(...)
$objectTwo : ObjectTwo(...)

then

retract($objectOne);
#retract($objectTwo); 

end

No matter what I do I can't ever retract objectTwo.

I put a print statement and it is there.

If I comment out the retraction of objectTwo it works fine.
I tried just retraction of objectTwo and that fails too.
I tried prefixing with drools.retract.

I get this:

com.principal.health.rules.RulesException: Root exception: [Error: 
drools.retract($objectTwo): null]
[Near : {... Unknown }]
 ^
[Line: 1, Column: 0] - [Error: drools.retract($objectTwo): null]
[Near : {... Unknown }]
 ^
[Line: 1, Column: 0]
at 
com.principal.health.rules.impl.DroolsRuleSetImpl.fireRuleflow(DroolsRuleSetImpl.java:100)
at 
com.principal.health.rules.RulesTestCase.executeRules(RulesTestCase.java:247)
at 
com.principal.health.rules.RulesTestCase.executeAvailableRules(RulesTestCase.java:129)
at 
com.principal.health.rules.impl.available.MemberNetworkXFormRulesRuleId6Test.retractMemberNetworkContractWithNullTeminationDates(MemberNetworkXFormRulesRuleId6Test.java:235)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
at 
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:79)
at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:618)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestMethodRunner.executeMethodBody(TestMethodRunner.java:99)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestMethodRunner.runUnprotected(TestMethodRunner.java:81)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.BeforeAndAfterRunner.runProtected(BeforeAndAfterRunner.java:34)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestMethodRunner.runMethod(TestMethodRunner.java:75)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestMethodRunner.run(TestMethodRunner.java:45)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestClassMethodsRunner.invokeTestMethod(TestClassMethodsRunner.java:71)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestClassMethodsRunner.run(TestClassMethodsRunner.java:35)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestClassRunner$1.runUnprotected(TestClassRunner.java:42)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.BeforeAndAfterRunner.runProtected(BeforeAndAfterRunner.java:34)
at 
org.junit.internal.runners.TestClassRunner.run(TestClassRunner.java:52)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit4.runner.JUnit4TestReference.run(JUnit4TestReference.java:38)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.TestExecution.run(TestExecution.java:38)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.runTests(RemoteTestRunner.java:460)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.runTests(RemoteTestRunner.java:673)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.run(RemoteTestRunner.java:386)
at 
org.eclipse.jdt.internal.junit.runner.RemoteTestRunner.main(RemoteTestRunner.java:196)
Caused by: org.drools.runtime.rule.ConsequenceException: [Error: 
drools.retract($wrappedNetwork): null]
[Near : {... Unknown }]
 ^
[Line: 1, Column: 0]
at 
org.drools.runtime.rule.impl.DefaultConsequenceExceptionHandler.handleException(DefaultConsequenceExceptionHandler.java:23)
at 
org.drools.common.DefaultAgenda.fireActivation(DefaultAgenda.java:943)
at org.drools.common.DefaultAgenda.fireNextItem(DefaultAgenda.java:885)
at org.drools.common.DefaultAgenda.fireAllRules(DefaultAgenda.java:1086)
at 
org.drools.common.AbstractWorkingMemory.fireAllRules(AbstractWorkingMemory.java:660)
at 
org.drools.common.AbstractWorkingMemory.fireAllRules(AbstractWorkingMemory.java:627)
at 
org.drools.impl.StatefulKnowledgeSessionImpl.fireAllRules(StatefulKnowledgeSessionImpl.java:183)
at 
com.principal.health.rules.impl.DroolsRuleSetImpl.fireRuleflow(DroolsRuleSetImpl.java:91)
... 23 more
Caused by: [Error: drools.retract($wrappedNetwork): null]
[Near : {... Unknown }]
 ^
[Line: 1, Column: 0]
at 
org.mvel2.optimizers.impl.refl.ReflectiveAccessorOptimizer.compileGetChain(ReflectiveAccessorOptimizer.java:374)
at 
org.mvel2.optimizers.impl.refl.ReflectiveAccessorOptimizer.optimizeAccessor(ReflectiveAccessorOptimizer.java:138)
at org.mvel2.ast.ASTNode.getReducedValueAccelerated(ASTNode.java:133)
at org.mvel2.MVELRuntime.execute(MVELRuntime.java:85)
at 
org.mvel2.compiler.CompiledExpression.getValue(CompiledExpression.java:104)
at org.mvel2.MVEL.executeExpression(MVEL.java:978)
at 
org.drools.base.mvel.MVELConsequence.evaluate(MVELConsequence.java:87)
at 
org.drools.common.DefaultAgenda.fireActivation(DefaultAgenda.java:934)
... 29 more
Caused by: java.lang.reflect.InvocationTargetException
at 

[rules-users] drools 5.0.1 enum serialization/deserialization problem

2010-01-13 Thread Garner, Shawn
We are pre-compiling the rules and then reading them in and running them later.



I'm getting this error when reading in the compiled (serialized rules) rules:

Error deserializing enum value...



This line (pretty similar to this) is causing the issue when it's deserializing 
the Java 5 Enum.

MyClass( myEnumType == MyEnum.MY_ENUM_VALUE)





I saw some bug reports that this is fixed in 5.0.2 but I can't find it and it's 
been a while since 5.0.1 was released.



When is this going to be fixed or is there a way to get a snapshot 5.0.2 with 
this fixed?



Can somebody help me?



Thanks,

SDG



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Re: [rules-users] (no subject)

2009-09-09 Thread Garner, Shawn

Functions on the LHS are not advised and says so in the drools user guide.

I can think of two ways to do this (forgive me if my syntax is slightly off).

Way number 1

rule ProductDescription validation
when
$listing : Listing( $description:productDescription != null, 
description.title != null )
 then
ListingScrubber listingScrubber = new ListingScrubber(listing);
insert(listingScrubber);
end

rule ProductDescription validation Part 2
when
$listingScrubber : ListingScrubber(forbiddenWordInTitle == true , 
$title: productDescription.title)
then
String word = $listingScrubber.getWord();
System.out.println(ERROR:  + word); 
end


Way number2

rule ProductDescription validation
when
$listing : Listing( $description:productDescription != null, $title : 
productDescription.title != null)  
then
ListListingWord listingWordList =  listing.getListingWords();
IteratorListingWord listingWordListIter = listingWordList.iterator();
while(listingWordListIter.hasNext())
{
ListingWord listingWord = listingWordListIter.next();
assert(listingWord);
}
 end
 
 $word : hasForbiddenWordsSet( wordsSet, $description.getTitle() )


rule ProductDescription validation Part 2
when
$badWordList : BadWordList($wordList : list)
$listingWord : ListingWord($word : word memberof $wordList, $listing : 
listing)
then
System.out.println($listing.productDescription +  has naughty word: + 
$word); 
End





 Original Message

Hi! I'm new here and a have a doubt about rules and functions in Drools.

I have this rule:

rule ProductDescription validation
when
$listing : Listing( $description:productDescription != null )
eval( $description.getTitle() != null )
eval( hasForbiddenWordsSet( wordsSet, $description.getTitle() ) )
then
System.out.println(ERROR!);
end

And this function:

function boolean hasForbiddenWordsSet(Set wordsSet, String value) { #do 
something useful here }


And everything works fine. But now I want that function hasForbiddenWordsSet 
return a String. For example to print at then.
I tried something like this:

rule ProductDescription validation
when
$listing : Listing( $description:productDescription != null )
eval( $description.getTitle() != null )
$word : hasForbiddenWordsSet( wordsSet, $description.getTitle() )
then
System.out.println(ERROR:  + word); end

function String hasForbiddenWordsSet(Set wordsSet, String value) { #do 
something useful here }

But it doesn't work, tried some other things and still no success.

Could someone help me?

Thanks in advance.

--
Leandro Carvalho
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[rules-users] question on drools and method calls on facts

2009-09-01 Thread Garner, Shawn
I'm under the impression that in the action clause of a rule you should only do 
one of the following:
1) Set a property on a Fact
2) Retract a Fact
3) Insert (Assert) a new Fact
4) Modify an existing Fact

However in some of the examples in the documentation it shows calling methods 
other than bean property getters and setters.
I was wondering if what other peoples opinions are on whether you should be 
doing more than the 4 things I listed above in a then clause of a rule.

Thanks,
SG


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[rules-users] RE: questions on guvnor and drools 5.0

2009-06-04 Thread Garner, Shawn
Sorry it's been a few days and I haven't gotten any response on any 
questions/statements below.  

I've used drools in the past but am pretty new to some features of drools still 
and new to Guvnor.  I wrote a proof of concept drools/Guvnor app and these are 
the things I don't like or have questions around.

I was wondering if other people have the same problems or am I going about 
things wrong?  Are there work arounds or is there plans to expand/change 
functionality?  Maybe I should ask the dev list?

SG

-Original Message-
From: G, S 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 3:28 PM
To: 'rules-users@lists.jboss.org'
Subject: questions on guvnor and drools 5.0

I was wondering if somebody can help me with some questions:

1) Is there any more detail on how to setup Guvnor with a database?
2) How do you use the test scenarios with complex object structures?
-eg Create a fact in working memory that has another Object in it which 
in turn has a list of Objects in it.
-Seems like any Fact in working memory is assumed to only have only 
primitive values like Strings or numbers.
-We would like a more depth of objects where objects have a deep 
relationship to other objects at least 2-4 levels deep.
3) Why add ruleflow-group to the rule definition instead of adding the rule to 
a ruleflow-group?  If the ruleflow-group is part of the rule then you can't use 
the same rule in multiple ruleflow-groups and leads to copy and maintaining the 
rule in two different spots.
4)  DSL seems to be very inconvenient to edit in a text box especially when it 
wraps.  Why not a table where you can add rows and each row is a translation.  
Also there are no examples how to do translation into Drools syntax that is 
multiple lines long and not just a single line.
5) Is Java 5 Type Enumerations supported?  I was assuming I'd get a list of 
values if a field was an Enumeration.
6) There seems to be a vast functionality difference between the Guvnor 
decision tables and examples that use spreadsheets.
7) Guvnor lost the ability to select variables for use in other statements.  
Functionality was in BRMS of drools 4.0.7
8) I was not able to insert a fact using a constructor that needed parameter 
values.  Seems like it assumes everything is a bean but I couldn't find this 
requirement stated in the documentation anywhere.  Examples in documentation 
show inserting facts with constructor parameters.
9) It would be nice when you upload a domain model jar that you could explore 
the objects and fields somehow.
10) When you write a rule using one particular editor it would be nice if you 
could switch to another editor. Switch between Guided, DSL, Technical, etc.
11) It seems hard to reorder the statements in a when or then block.  If I put 
them in the wrong order I have to delete them all.  Would be nice if a 
statement could be moved up or down.
12) When calling a method on an object the choices only showed me public 
methods that take in one parameter.  I had a method with two parameters and it 
wouldn't show me the method.  I had to do a DSL or custom drools statement to 
get around it.
13) Guvnor seems to limit the drools syntax.  I couldn't do a from 
$collection statement without a custom drools statement line.
14) It would be nice if I could declare a global dialect java for all the 
rules.
15) It would be nice to define an existing agenda-group as part of a 
ruleflow-group without adding the ruleflow-group on the rules in that 
agenda-group.

Thanks,
SG


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RE: [rules-users] RE: questions on guvnor and drools 5.0

2009-06-04 Thread Garner, Shawn
We have lists of objects and I was talking about how you do it with the test 
scenario in Guvnor.

The fact is in working memory but I need to be able to create the object so it 
has a list of objects.

Because the rule matches if it is in working memory and party of another 
object's list.

So if I have a School and Children for example

Then I write a rule that says if School and Child where child is a member of 
the School

[when]
$child : Child(readyForRegistration == true)
$school : School($child memberof children)
[then]
$school.registerChild($child);
[end]

So in Guvnor I need to create a test scenario where School has a list of 
Children objects.  But Guvnor only shows me a textfield so I assume it wants a 
value like Bob or 1.  

I don't see the option or an example how to create a Child fact with a name of 
Bob and readyForRegistration = true.  

Then another child with name of Nancy which readyForRegistration = false.

Then I want to put them in both into a collection and create a new School 
object using the collection of Bob and Nancy.


I can do this type of thing easily with a JUnit test creating and inserting 
facts into working memory.  It would be nice if business users could write test 
scenarios just as easy with Guvnor.

If you haven't checked out that part of Guvnor it might help if you take a peek.

SG

-Original Message-
From: rules-users-boun...@lists.jboss.org 
[mailto:rules-users-boun...@lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Laun
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 11:59 AM
To: Rules Users List
Subject: Re: [rules-users] RE: questions on guvnor and drools 5.0

On 6/4/09, Garner, Shawn garner.sh...@principal.com wrote:
 2) How do you use the test scenarios with complex object structures?
-eg Create a fact in working memory that has another Object in it 
 which in turn has a list of Objects in it.
-Seems like any Fact in working memory is assumed to only have only 
 primitive values like Strings or numbers.
-We would like a more depth of objects where objects have a deep 
 relationship to other objects at least 2-4 levels deep.

Any object that is inserted as a fact may contain references to other
objects, which, in turn, may contain references, and so on.

The main thing to consider with complex object structures is, which of
the objects should be inserted as facts. The distinction should be
made according to whether an object's properties participate in rule
patterns and whether this object will change during the (stateful)
session. If so, make it a fact.

Referring to object properties via one or more levels of dereferencing
when using them in patterns won't be possible except in inline evals
or eval patterns.

Notice that LHS patterns may be written so that additional levels of
objects are included in the reasoning, letting you access their
non-reference fields in field constraints, e.g.:

rule x
when
   $p : Person( $name : name, $f : father )
   Person( this == $f, name == Joe )
then
   // $name is a child of Joe
end

-W
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RE: [rules-users] Default rule

2009-06-04 Thread Garner, Shawn

The ruleflow-group and the State Example from the documentation may be what 
you're looking for.

SG

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[mailto:rules-users-boun...@lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Malenfant, Andre
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:47 PM
To: Rules Users List
Subject: RE: [rules-users] Default rule

Yes, but I will have to have a condition in that rule to prevent it from firing 
if others have. I will have to alter my data model to detect that situation. I 
can fix my problem using the salience parameter but I was wondering if there is 
was a built-in mechanism for that purpose.

I will try with the salience method

Thanks

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[mailto:rules-users-boun...@lists.jboss.org] On Behalf Of Ingomar Otter
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:28 PM
To: Rules Users List
Subject: Re: [rules-users] Default rule

How about if you create a rule with lowest salience, this will fire  
_after_ all other rules have fired.
Would this help?

Am 04.06.2009 um 22:17 schrieb Malenfant, Andre:

 Anyone knows if it is possible to have a `default` rule that would  
 fire only if others have not?

 Also, is there a way, using decision tables in XLS, to look if the  
 value of a field is contained in a list elsewhere in the XLS?

 Thanks

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[rules-users] questions on guvnor and drools 5.0

2009-06-01 Thread Garner, Shawn
I was wondering if somebody can help me with some questions:

1) Is there any more detail on how to setup Guvnor with a database?
2) How do you use the test scenarios with complex object structures?
-eg Create a fact in working memory that has another Object in it which 
in turn has a list of Objects in it.
-Seems like any Fact in working memory is assumed to only have only 
primitive values like Strings or numbers.
-We would like a more depth of objects where objects have a deep 
relationship to other objects at least 2-4 levels deep.
3) Why add ruleflow-group to the rule definition instead of adding the rule to 
a ruleflow-group?  If the ruleflow-group is part of the rule then you can't use 
the same rule in multiple ruleflow-groups and leads to copy and maintaining the 
rule in two different spots.
4)  DSL seems to be very inconvenient to edit in a text box especially when it 
wraps.  Why not a table where you can add rows and each row is a translation.  
Also there are no examples how to do translation into Drools syntax that is 
multiple lines long and not just a single line.
5) Is Java 5 Type Enumerations supported?  I was assuming I'd get a list of 
values if a field was an Enumeration.
6) There seems to be a vast functionality difference between the Guvnor 
decision tables and examples that use spreadsheets.
7) Guvnor lost the ability to select variables for use in other statements.  
Functionality was in BRMS of drools 4.0.7
8) I was not able to insert a fact using a constructor that needed parameter 
values.  Seems like it assumes everything is a bean but I couldn't find this 
requirement stated in the documentation anywhere.  Examples in documentation 
show inserting facts with constructor parameters.
9) It would be nice when you upload a domain model jar that you could explore 
the objects and fields somehow.
10) When you write a rule using one particular editor it would be nice if you 
could switch to another editor. Switch between Guided, DSL, Technical, etc.
11) It seems hard to reorder the statements in a when or then block.  If I put 
them in the wrong order I have to delete them all.  Would be nice if a 
statement could be moved up or down.
12) When calling a method on an object the choices only showed me public 
methods that take in one parameter.  I had a method with two parameters and it 
wouldn't show me the method.  I had to do a DSL or custom drools statement to 
get around it.
13) Guvnor seems to limit the drools syntax.  I couldn't do a from 
$collection statement without a custom drools statement line.
14) It would be nice if I could declare a global dialect java for all the 
rules.
15) It would be nice to define an existing agenda-group as part of a 
ruleflow-group without adding the ruleflow-group on the rules in that 
agenda-group.

Thanks,
SG


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