Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert
This helped me for linking drools-server to Guvnor: http://www.plugtree.com/drools-server-configuration-using-spring-3/ Best regards, Seb On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, wrote: > Hi, thanks for the tips. > I wasn't aware of drools-server. There's not much documentation about it, > especially how it can work with Guvnor in order to get the assets. Or maybe > I wasn't able to find it. > > Such a centralized approach makes sense to me, I hope it to be a reality > soon. > > David > > - Mail Original - > De: "Mark Proctor" > À: rules-users@lists.jboss.org > Envoyé: Jeudi 14 Avril 2011 16h07:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne > / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne > Objet: Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert > > On 14/04/2011 09:11, delirii wrote: > > A few months ago a question was asked about the difference and the use > case > > involving Drools Expert and Drools Guvnor. > > > > To be honest, it isn't clear for me too and as there wasn't any answer to > > this first question, so I'm trying to have an answer with your help :) > > > > What's clear : > > - Guvnor is a repository for the assets > > - The easiest (?) and certainly the mainly available as a tutorial > solution > > is to create in each application an agent that grabs the assets and > execute > > the whole thing in its own context. > > > > What's not clear : > > - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's > executed, > > by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, > and > > be able to read the execution plan > > - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this > need > > (Drools Expert ?) > > > > If some can explain this a little bit more, I'll be really happy to read > ! > > And if it can be added to the current documentation, it could be a great > > idea too. > > > I think that's fair. We don't have centralised management of expert > runtime's yet. It's currently de-coupled via a pull mechanism. > > Mark > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/Expert-versus-Expert-tp1739141p2819515.html > > Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > > rules-users mailing list > > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > > > > > > ___ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > ___ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert
Hi, thanks for the tips. I wasn't aware of drools-server. There's not much documentation about it, especially how it can work with Guvnor in order to get the assets. Or maybe I wasn't able to find it. Such a centralized approach makes sense to me, I hope it to be a reality soon. David - Mail Original - De: "Mark Proctor" À: rules-users@lists.jboss.org Envoyé: Jeudi 14 Avril 2011 16h07:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert On 14/04/2011 09:11, delirii wrote: > A few months ago a question was asked about the difference and the use case > involving Drools Expert and Drools Guvnor. > > To be honest, it isn't clear for me too and as there wasn't any answer to > this first question, so I'm trying to have an answer with your help :) > > What's clear : > - Guvnor is a repository for the assets > - The easiest (?) and certainly the mainly available as a tutorial solution > is to create in each application an agent that grabs the assets and execute > the whole thing in its own context. > > What's not clear : > - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's executed, > by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, and > be able to read the execution plan > - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this need > (Drools Expert ?) > > If some can explain this a little bit more, I'll be really happy to read ! > And if it can be added to the current documentation, it could be a great > idea too. > I think that's fair. We don't have centralised management of expert runtime's yet. It's currently de-coupled via a pull mechanism. Mark > Thanks for your help. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/Expert-versus-Expert-tp1739141p2819515.html > Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert
On 14/04/2011 09:11, delirii wrote: > A few months ago a question was asked about the difference and the use case > involving Drools Expert and Drools Guvnor. > > To be honest, it isn't clear for me too and as there wasn't any answer to > this first question, so I'm trying to have an answer with your help :) > > What's clear : > - Guvnor is a repository for the assets > - The easiest (?) and certainly the mainly available as a tutorial solution > is to create in each application an agent that grabs the assets and execute > the whole thing in its own context. > > What's not clear : > - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's executed, > by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, and > be able to read the execution plan > - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this need > (Drools Expert ?) > > If some can explain this a little bit more, I'll be really happy to read ! > And if it can be added to the current documentation, it could be a great > idea too. > I think that's fair. We don't have centralised management of expert runtime's yet. It's currently de-coupled via a pull mechanism. Mark > Thanks for your help. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/Expert-versus-Expert-tp1739141p2819515.html > Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > > ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert
What's not clear : - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's executed, by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, and be able to read the execution plan >> centralised execution could (possibly) be achieved using drools-server. >> WorkingMemoryEventListeners can provide a log of facts inserted - you'd need to provide the glue for "whom" >> AgendaEventListeners can provide a log of rule activations - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this need (Drools Expert ?) >> Not Drools Expert. Drools server might be what you're after - but I don't know too much about it. With kind regards, MIke On 14 April 2011 09:11, delirii wrote: > A few months ago a question was asked about the difference and the use case > involving Drools Expert and Drools Guvnor. > > To be honest, it isn't clear for me too and as there wasn't any answer to > this first question, so I'm trying to have an answer with your help :) > > What's clear : > - Guvnor is a repository for the assets > - The easiest (?) and certainly the mainly available as a tutorial solution > is to create in each application an agent that grabs the assets and execute > the whole thing in its own context. > > What's not clear : > - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's executed, > by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, and > be able to read the execution plan > - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this need > (Drools Expert ?) > > If some can explain this a little bit more, I'll be really happy to read ! > And if it can be added to the current documentation, it could be a great > idea too. > > Thanks for your help. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/Expert-versus-Expert-tp1739141p2819515.html > Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ___ > rules-users mailing list > rules-users@lists.jboss.org > https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users > ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Expert versus Expert
A few months ago a question was asked about the difference and the use case involving Drools Expert and Drools Guvnor. To be honest, it isn't clear for me too and as there wasn't any answer to this first question, so I'm trying to have an answer with your help :) What's clear : - Guvnor is a repository for the assets - The easiest (?) and certainly the mainly available as a tutorial solution is to create in each application an agent that grabs the assets and execute the whole thing in its own context. What's not clear : - how to centralize the execution in order to know exactly what's executed, by whom, and how (be able to log which facts are sent, to which rules, and be able to read the execution plan - if it exists a "real" stand alone centralized engine that match this need (Drools Expert ?) If some can explain this a little bit more, I'll be really happy to read ! And if it can be added to the current documentation, it could be a great idea too. Thanks for your help. -- View this message in context: http://drools.46999.n3.nabble.com/Expert-versus-Expert-tp1739141p2819515.html Sent from the Drools: User forum mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
[rules-users] Expert versus Expert
Hi all, i'm a newbie on Drools and want to understand the general architecture of the solution. Is it true that Drools Guvnor helps managing rules definition but it is not a rule server ? Meaning we can define, update, archive, test... rules but not execute them in Guvnor? My understanding is that Drools expert is the engine, let's say the rules server) on which one rules are executed. Is there any graphical tool to manage this engine? I mean to add/remove rules, access a dashboard... Is it drools-server.war? Is there any pre installed runtime environment with the engine and - if there is one - the management console? I tried drools-install.zip with ant install.demo but it doesn't work for me... Thanks a lot for your feedback, I'm waiting to test it! Charles Souillard ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
