Re: [rules-users] Guvnor meant for business users?
Mark, Thanks for you message! We have tried using decision tables and our feeling is that, for business analysts, building the decision table in Guvnor is easier than building in the spreadsheet given the usage of DRL in spreadsheet. Besides spread-sheets based DT requires you to follow a strict ordering and additional meta data. Could you please point me to or elaborate on the limitations for Guvnor based (web-guided) Decision Table? -- View this message in context: http://drools-java-rules-engine.46999.n3.nabble.com/Guvnor-meant-for-business-users-tp817197p848677.html Sent from the Drools - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Guvnor meant for business users?
I'd start with Decision Tables, these are the most natural metaphore for business users. You can use excel for Decision Tables, there is also the web based one but it is more limited. Mark On 20/05/2010 20:12, nxg912 wrote: > Thanks for your message. > > Regarding the scenario, we were able to build the POJO model and other > required dependencies but are not able to figure out that while working with > Guided Editor, how to get access to internal properties of these objects, > i.e. how to include those in the WHEN and THEN sections. > > Also, around Guvnor, our intention is to make this usable for business > analyst and subject matter experts, i.e. they should be able to configure > the rules and test them as well. Our understanding is that Guvnor and DSL > are the options. At this point, to us, DSL seems like a better option than > Guvnor from business analyst perspective. We are currently unable to build > even slightly complex scenario and their corresponding test scenarios in > Guvnor. So we were wondering if others in this forum are also reverting to > DSL in case they want to get BA involved. Our impression on DRL has been > very good as that allows you to build complex rules relatively quickly. > ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
Re: [rules-users] Guvnor meant for business users?
Thanks for your message. Regarding the scenario, we were able to build the POJO model and other required dependencies but are not able to figure out that while working with Guided Editor, how to get access to internal properties of these objects, i.e. how to include those in the WHEN and THEN sections. Also, around Guvnor, our intention is to make this usable for business analyst and subject matter experts, i.e. they should be able to configure the rules and test them as well. Our understanding is that Guvnor and DSL are the options. At this point, to us, DSL seems like a better option than Guvnor from business analyst perspective. We are currently unable to build even slightly complex scenario and their corresponding test scenarios in Guvnor. So we were wondering if others in this forum are also reverting to DSL in case they want to get BA involved. Our impression on DRL has been very good as that allows you to build complex rules relatively quickly. -- View this message in context: http://drools-java-rules-engine.46999.n3.nabble.com/Guvnor-meant-for-business-users-tp817197p832566.html Sent from the Drools - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
[rules-users] Guvnor meant for business users?
Hello All, We are evaluating Drools for our production implementation with special focus on the fact that it would let less technical people be able to work effectively with business logic (once developers provide them with a data model). We are relatively new to Drools and our impression has not been too good specially around Guvnor (given that DRL is meant for developers and DSL is nothing but a simple extension for DRL which business analyst won't be able to use). Has anyone here used Guvnor or DSL effectively for a reasonable size implementation? With Guvnor we are facing some issue which are very basic and Guvnor comes across as a immature web application from the UI perspective (Because of being less user friendly, incomplete messages for error situations etc). Also, its difficult to find help on some simple scenario like the following, We have a "Customer" class and a "Agreement" class with one to many relationship. We are trying to build a simple rule that if an "Agreement" has missed payment (indicated by a boolean inside Agreement class), mark that "Customer" as bad customer by setting the boolean field inside the "Customer" class. Its a simple scenario to be build in DRL but how to we implement this under 'WHEN' and 'THEN' section in guided editor without using the DRL free forms? It shows an error message that access/write property for Customer not available in Agreement. Any thoughts or help in these matters will be really helpful. Also, if there are some helpful links around Drools that would help getting started with the implementation, that would be great! Thanks in advance. -- View this message in context: http://drools-java-rules-engine.46999.n3.nabble.com/Guvnor-meant-for-business-users-tp817197p817197.html Sent from the Drools - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ rules-users mailing list rules-users@lists.jboss.org https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/rules-users
