[sage-devel] Re: buglet in maxima list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1 for consistency across the board. +1 from me too. I'd like to learn Python and SAGE, not 50+ packages. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: buglet in maxima list
To some extent I agree. I think what pushed me to the other side is that if you're having to use an index such an object in the first place, you already have had to put the effort into learning that package. And for those people who know the package well and not SAGE well, preserving the native indexing will make their lives easier. David On 5/6/07, Nick Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: +1 for consistency across the board. +1 from me too. I'd like to learn Python and SAGE, not 50+ packages. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion
Hi, I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your comments on the mockup here would be welcome: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html (Note that links to actual downloads etc might not work.) My questions are mainly: (1) do the pages look: -- visually appealing -- simple and clean -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing key things that used to be there) (2) does the text on the front page reasonably convey what SAGE is to somebody who say has never heard of programs like GAP and PARI, and just wants to know if SAGE might be for them? (3) Does the front page text seem to much like sales talk? Compared to Maple or Mathematica's web pages it's nothing (those pages are gut-wrenchingly obnoxious), but it might still be too much. (4) I've purposely went from clean and simple, even more so than before, instead of say tricky drop downs css menus, etc., Thanks, William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion
Much better but still confusing and the screen seems very busy. I don't like the two sets of links. I can get a pure css version of it up soon. SAGE is not an alternative to Mathematica and Maple yet. It does not run under Windows natively so it is best to say that it runs under Cygwin well. Link behavior on hover should change. Personally do not repeat any links. Where you are saying calculus, elementary to very advanced number theory link to pages describing what SAGE does in those areas. Note you don't need links to pics when pic shown since right click view pic shows pic in full size. You need a good summary at the top. I really dislike on the documentation page where you have some links on the left and right very distracting. On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your comments on the mockup here would be welcome: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html (Note that links to actual downloads etc might not work.) My questions are mainly: (1) do the pages look: -- visually appealing -- simple and clean -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing key things that used to be there) (2) does the text on the front page reasonably convey what SAGE is to somebody who say has never heard of programs like GAP and PARI, and just wants to know if SAGE might be for them? (3) Does the front page text seem to much like sales talk? Compared to Maple or Mathematica's web pages it's nothing (those pages are gut-wrenchingly obnoxious), but it might still be too much. (4) I've purposely went from clean and simple, even more so than before, instead of say tricky drop downs css menus, etc., Thanks, William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Wrapping C (Symmetrica) with Pyrex/SageX
Thanks. It's coming along slowly but surely. Symmetrica uses macros (as functions) pretty extensively. Is there a way in Pyrex/SageX to have it treat something like a macro or do you just have to declare it like a function? --Mike On 5/6/07, Robert Bradshaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be really nice. If it's just plain c code, don't be intimidated by Martin's talk because that's a whole lot easier than trying to wrap c++. Many of the interfaces that I've worked with (givaro, linbox, ntl, qd) are more complicated for this reason... Mostly you should just be able to declare the relevant functions/structures (cdef extern from somefile.h) and use them right from pyrex. Then in setup.py you'll need to specify that they be compiled with the expected libraries. If you want a straightforward example without an overwhelming number of functions, I would look at ECM. Perhaps IML too. On May 5, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Mike Hansen wrote: Hello, I would like to begin writing a interface to Symmetrica as I would like to use a lot of its functionality for the combinatorics and symmetric functions package that I'm working on. I've looked at William's Pyrex Guide (at least the version on the web) and Martin's talk. Is there a checklist of things that you need to do to get SageX to play nicely with external code? Is there a particular interface that would be most beneficial to look at? Thanks, Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
On May 6, 2007, at 3:37 AM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your comments on the mockup here would be welcome: I think it's generally a big improvement. http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html (Note that links to actual downloads etc might not work.) My questions are mainly: (1) do the pages look: -- visually appealing -- simple and clean Yes. -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing key things that used to be there) I reckon the Use SAGE online or Live Tutorial should somehow be more prominent. If I had to pick something on the middle four links to change, I would change Developers to Live Tutorial. If you're aiming to suck in the general audience, it's the tutorial. Potential developers are probably better at picking out the links they need from the bar at the top without having it shoved down their throat. (But it's not a big deal.) I'm not sure I like the slogan Free Open Source Mathematics Software for All. The for All bit grates a bit with me. Sounds too much like something a politician would say. (2) does the text on the front page reasonably convey what SAGE is to somebody who say has never heard of programs like GAP and PARI, and just wants to know if SAGE might be for them? Yes. Where you have Use SAGE from the command line, I think the reference to the command line should go to the *end* of the paragraph, i.e. just start the paragraph talking about the web interface, which is probably what the general audience wants to see, and then at the end have a sentence like You can also run SAGE scripts from the command line, or use SAGE in the interactive text- based IPython shell. A humungous proportion of people will get freaked out when they hear the word command line (if they've heard of command line at all). (3) Does the front page text seem to much like sales talk? Compared to Maple or Mathematica's web pages it's nothing (those pages are gut-wrenchingly obnoxious), but it might still be too much. You could lose the sentence Don't get trapped into using only one mathematical software system without really losing anything. It does sound a bit like a late-night TV ad. Be a little careful calling MAGMA commercial software. But I don't know how to rephrase it without getting very wordy. On the mailing list pages you have sage-devel listed twice, same with sage-announce. david --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
Uh? On 5/6/07, David Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 7:59 AM, Timothy Clemans wrote: It is taking me along time to get much but what I have so far is at http://tclemans.nonlogic.org/sage/ No. David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
Also: the links to local pages are on your disc, i.e. file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Timothy/My%20Documents/developer_names.html Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
I know all I was trying to do was show that I was working on it and what it looked liked so far. I don't know why they are linking that way since it is not in my code and I have tried to fix that. Those pages do not exist yet, but why bother if someone just says no. On 5/6/07, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also: the links to local pages are on your disc, i.e. file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Timothy/My%20Documents/developer_names.html Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
It was a problem with my editor. Sorry about it. No other pages exist yet. I did state this was a work in progress. I just started soon after William's e-mail. On 5/6/07, Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know all I was trying to do was show that I was working on it and what it looked liked so far. I don't know why they are linking that way since it is not in my code and I have tried to fix that. Those pages do not exist yet, but why bother if someone just says no. On 5/6/07, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also: the links to local pages are on your disc, i.e. file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Timothy/My%20Documents/developer_names.html Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ack.html it would be nice to add a link to the GAP authors page http://www.gap-system.org/Contacts/People/authors.html, the Singular team page, and so on.) I also think there should be a link to the SAGE wiki. I would make the screenshots correspond with the paragraph, if at all possible. For example, illustrate an interface to Axiom or Octave in the 3rd paragraph. I would prefer some other color than yellow (maybe light gray), but that is a very minor point. I'm not sure if you need the table. In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. For example, at http://www.sagemath.org/SAGEbin/microsoft_windows/cygwin/ there is no zip file, so most people cannot uncompress it. One possible solution would be for the bottom paragraph (Download SAGE today) to have a link to a page with a zip file, with a Vista warning as in http://www.sagemath.org/SAGEbin/microsoft_windows/cygwin/README.txt. The USNA has a very slow connection for the students, so installing SAGE for them takes hours. If you would like me to create such a zip file (which I would mirror at the USNA) just let me know. Also, as far as missing information, the killer app IMHO is that SAGE includes an easily installed version of Maxima, GAP, Singular, etc. When a PARI or GAP or Singular user visits this page, it would be nice to have something which would convince them that there is no harm in switching and welcome them to SAGE. Also, a mention of GAP (for example) could be also a link to http://www.sagemath.org:9001/GAP, which would be rewritten to do a much better job of explaining how GAP is included in SAGE (eg, package structure, using GAP in the notebook, etc). This might have the effect of welcoming GAP users over to SAGE, when they know that there is no loss in doing so. Possibly the Mailing lists link could be renamed to something more descriptive, since it has links to your talks on SAGE. At the moment, I can't think of anything better. If you say Support instead then on the linked page should have more support-related stuff - perhaps a link to the tutorial. +++ William Stein wrote: Hi Georg and David, I'm doing a redesign of the SAGE website to target SAGE much more at end users rather than developers (I think the tipping point has now arrived, since about 500 people downloaded SAGE in the last two weeks...) Anyways, your comments on the mockup here would be welcome: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html (Note that links to actual downloads etc might not work.) My questions are mainly: (1) do the pages look: -- visually appealing -- simple and clean -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing key things that used to be there) (2) does the text on the front page reasonably convey what SAGE is to somebody who say has never heard of programs like GAP and PARI, and just wants to know if SAGE might be for them? (3) Does the front page text seem to much like sales talk? Compared to Maple or Mathematica's web pages it's nothing (those pages are gut-wrenchingly obnoxious), but it might still be too much. (4) I've purposely went from clean and simple, even more so than before, instead of say tricky drop downs css menus, etc., Thanks, William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] 2.5.0alpha2: compile fix for quaddouble on cygwin
Hello, isnan and isinf aren't available, so just declare them extern C just like on MacOSX. Patch is available at http://fsmath.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~mabshoff/patches/sage-2.5.0-alpha2-fix-quaddouble-on-cygwin.patch Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: 2.5.0alpha2: compile fix for quaddouble on cygwin
Ok, real_rqdf.pyx also needs a fix: http://fsmath.mathematik.uni-dortmund.de/~mabshoff/patches/sage-2.5.0-alpha2-add-NAN-and-INIFINITY-on-cygwin.patch because NAN and INFINITY are undefined on cygwin. With that patch I got 2.5.0alpha2 to compile and start on cygwin. I am currently with Martin in #SAGE-dev and we are working on getting libSingular to compile flawlessly on cygwin. I got it to compile manually, so hopefully by tonight we will have an updated spkg. I am currently running make check and aside from a whitespace issue in calculus.py there haven't been any problems up to dsage/all.py. I will update you once I am through. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. For example, athttp://www.sagemath.org/SAGEbin/microsoft_windows/cygwin/ there is no zip file, so most people cannot uncompress it. One possible solution would be for the bottom paragraph (Download SAGE today) to have a link to a page with a zip file, with a Vista warning as inhttp://www.sagemath.org/SAGEbin/microsoft_windows/cygwin/README.txt. The USNA has a very slow connection for the students, so installing SAGE for them takes hours. If you would like me to create such a zip file (which I would mirror at the USNA) just let me know. Hello, I got a rudimentary msi installer working. Once 2.5.0 is out I plan to make it available and automate its creation. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: website redesign
Dear David Harvey, Many thanks for you detailed comments. I agree with all of them, and made all the changes you suggest to http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html I'm glad you like the clean and straightforward layout of the new page. -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On 5/6/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ack.html it would be nice to add a link to the GAP authors page http://www.gap-system.org/Contacts/People/authors.html, the Singular team page, and so on.) I also think there should be a link to the SAGE wiki. This email is about http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html I've added a components link to the developer link. I've listed the main components under Use an open free alternative. I did not add a components link to the main page, since the main point of the site redesign is to appeal to users who have never heard of GAP, PARI, Singular, etc. In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. It is. The solution is to (1) create a good msi installer, and (2) have a well-supported vmware machine. Michael is working on (1) for sage-2.5, and (2) is now done I think. Also, as far as missing information, the killer app IMHO is that SAGE includes an easily installed version of Maxima, GAP, Singular, etc. When a PARI or GAP or Singular user visits this page, it would be nice to have something which would convince them that there is no harm in switching and welcome them to SAGE. Done. Possibly the Mailing lists link could be renamed to something more descriptive, since it has links to your talks on SAGE. At the moment, I can't think of anything better. If you say Support instead then on the linked page should have more support-related stuff - perhaps a link to the tutorial. Great idea, I've done that. William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: 1) Use the logo Alex designed. 2) I don't like 3 of the screenshots. symbolic.png has too big of fonts; makes it ugly fortress.png and 37a.png are old! The notebook doesn't look like that anymore. 3) Center the car -- it looks funny left-aligned. One usability complaint: When the user gets to the bottom, we want 'em to be all pumped up to use the software. But no! They have to scroll back to the top! I'd put links to the tutorial, download, and public notebooks at the bottom, too. (perhaps above the giant car) On Sun, 6 May 2007, William Stein wrote: On 5/6/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ack.html it would be nice to add a link to the GAP authors page http://www.gap-system.org/Contacts/People/authors.html, the Singular team page, and so on.) I also think there should be a link to the SAGE wiki. This email is about http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html I've added a components link to the developer link. I've listed the main components under Use an open free alternative. I did not add a components link to the main page, since the main point of the site redesign is to appeal to users who have never heard of GAP, PARI, Singular, etc. In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. It is. The solution is to (1) create a good msi installer, and (2) have a well-supported vmware machine. Michael is working on (1) for sage-2.5, and (2) is now done I think. Also, as far as missing information, the killer app IMHO is that SAGE includes an easily installed version of Maxima, GAP, Singular, etc. When a PARI or GAP or Singular user visits this page, it would be nice to have something which would convince them that there is no harm in switching and welcome them to SAGE. Done. Possibly the Mailing lists link could be renamed to something more descriptive, since it has links to your talks on SAGE. At the moment, I can't think of anything better. If you say Support instead then on the linked page should have more support-related stuff - perhaps a link to the tutorial. Great idea, I've done that. William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: 1) Use the logo Alex designed. Where? In place of a screen shot? I'm not putting it at the top instead of the simple text word SAGE since many people have told me it is hard to actually read the logo (which is true). Being cryptic is very much what I'm aiming to avoid here -- everything should be straightforward and friendly. 3) Center the car -- it looks funny left-aligned. Great idea; done. One usability complaint: When the user gets to the bottom, we want 'em to be all pumped up to use the software. But no! They have to scroll back to the top! I'd put links to the tutorial, download, and public notebooks at the bottom, too. (perhaps above the giant car) Great idea; done! -- William On Sun, 6 May 2007, William Stein wrote: On 5/6/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it. I think links at the top are convenient. I would include a components link, as I personally think the main webpage should acknowledge GAP, PARI, etc. (In fact, on the SAGE authors page http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ack.html it would be nice to add a link to the GAP authors page http://www.gap-system.org/Contacts/People/authors.html, the Singular team page, and so on.) I also think there should be a link to the SAGE wiki. This email is about http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/index.html I've added a components link to the developer link. I've listed the main components under Use an open free alternative. I did not add a components link to the main page, since the main point of the site redesign is to appeal to users who have never heard of GAP, PARI, Singular, etc. In terms of missing information, I've heard several complaints that it is too hard to figure out how to install the windows version. It is. The solution is to (1) create a good msi installer, and (2) have a well-supported vmware machine. Michael is working on (1) for sage-2.5, and (2) is now done I think. Also, as far as missing information, the killer app IMHO is that SAGE includes an easily installed version of Maxima, GAP, Singular, etc. When a PARI or GAP or Singular user visits this page, it would be nice to have something which would convince them that there is no harm in switching and welcome them to SAGE. Done. Possibly the Mailing lists link could be renamed to something more descriptive, since it has links to your talks on SAGE. At the moment, I can't think of anything better. If you say Support instead then on the linked page should have more support-related stuff - perhaps a link to the tutorial. Great idea, I've done that. William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
+1 One option might be: put the logo where the SAGE is now, and then on the next line, instead of Free Open Source Mathematics Software do SAGE: Free Open Source Mathematics Software --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On May 6, 2007, at 2:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 One option might be: put the logo where the SAGE is now, and then on the next line, instead of Free Open Source Mathematics Software do SAGE: Free Open Source Mathematics Software A few more comments... On all the browsers I tried, the logo and the SAGE: Free Open Source Mathematics Software are a bit too close together, it looks a bit funny. Perhaps a bit more vertical space there. We use to have the wording Interactive tutorial instead of Live tutorial. I find the former somehow more informative, although it's a bit longer. I realise the word Live is supposed to convey the idea that in the tutorial you get to interact with the actual SAGE software, but I'm not sure it comes across that way. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the whole car thing. I know someone must have put a lot of work into it, but it seems a little odd there. Also it doesn't quite work with the menu bar floating strangely above it. I think the menu would be better if it was flush on the bottom of the page. If we do have to have the car, at least we should make it clear that our car is solar-powered, unlike the large commercial manufacturers. David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
William Stein wrote:
Hello,
I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/
Feedback is welcome. This still won't build on OS X PowerPC or
Cygwin, but should build on Linux and Intel OS X and pass make test
there. Also, it should have most code that people have sent me for
inclusion in SAGE. The official sage-2.5 is getting close, so any
testing feedback is greatly appreciated.
real66m29.688s
user53m59.447s
sys 9m2.117s
To install gap, gp, singular, etc., scripts
in a standard bin directory, start sage and
type something like
sage: install_scripts('/usr/local/bin')
at the SAGE command prompt.
SAGE build/upgrade complete!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sage-2.5.alpha3]$
--
All tests passed!
Total time for all tests: 1701.7 seconds
This is on FC5:
Linux paix.jaapspies.nl 2.6.20-1.2312.fc5smp #1 SMP Tue Apr 10 15:30:02 EDT
2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Jaap
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[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On May 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, William Stein wrote: On 5/6/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like it a lot. I have a few aesthetic complaints: 1) Use the logo Alex designed. I couldn't help myself: joke http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/yqiang/media/sage2.5.png /joke Cheers, Yi -- http://www.yiqiang.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
I'm starting to agree with some people on this list, maybe the Big Four links in the middle are simply unnecessary. The menu at the top is pretty short and sweet. I think people can probably find what they want there. BTW the latest iteration is looking pretty gorgeous. David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the Download SAGE for ... heading. Do we have a vector version of the logo or just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated by the text below? --Mike On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On 5/6/07, Mike Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the Download SAGE for ... heading. Thanks. Fixed. Do we have a vector version of the logo or just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated by the text below? Yes, there is a vector version somewhere -- Alex Clemesha drew the logo using Inkscape (a nice free vector graphics program). Instead though, I tried shrinking the text below some which might be just as good. --Mike On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On May 6, 2007, at 13:57 , William Stein wrote: Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback. I like it. The rest may be fussing with details, but, being part engineer, fussing comes naturally: - I think putting the Download/.. box above the sage logo and tag doesn't work as well as the former arrangement. - Mike's suggestion regarding logo size is a good one. It should be a bit more dominant. - I understand that people like the logo that's there, but personally, I find it a bit jarring; I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at every time I see it. And of course, this is all related to visual design, for which I am eminently unsuited ;-} Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds Some people have a mental horizon of radius zero, and call it their point of view. -- David Hilbert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] singular-3.0.2-20070506-2226 compile failure on cygwin
Hello, Latest package is at http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/malb/pkgs/singular-3-0-2-20070506-2226.spkg There are two small problem: There are some garbage characters at line 2 in Singular/Makefile.in. delete those. Also: change the ix86-Win directive in Singular/Makefile.in to something like ifeq ($(SINGUNAME),ix86-Win) SO_SUFFIX = dll LIBSINGULAR_FLAGS = --shared -export-dynamic LIBSINGULAR_LIBS = -lsingfac -lsingcf -lntl -lreadline -lgmp - lomalloc_ndebug -lhtmlhelp endif Somehow I nuked my sage-2.5.0alpha2+patches directory. I will restart from scratch with 2.5.0-alpha3 some time tomorrow. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
The two column navigation table is very confusing to me. I think that web design has taken over content, which is pretty sad. The Sympy, Octave, and GMP sites are all good, because they provide all a lot of content in a clean web design. So while you guys don't use lists and css with them and use tables for layout, I'll be out constructing a larger site using meta tags, Google sitemap, and Google webmaster tools. So it will interesting to see what happens. Have fun forgetting about serious content and designing web pages that are not using modern code. On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/07, Mike Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the Download SAGE for ... heading. Thanks. Fixed. Do we have a vector version of the logo or just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated by the text below? Yes, there is a vector version somewhere -- Alex Clemesha drew the logo using Inkscape (a nice free vector graphics program). Instead though, I tried shrinking the text below some which might be just as good. --Mike On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
On May 6, 9:39 pm, Jaap Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Stein wrote: Hello, I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: A couple issues from cygwin from alpha2. I am not sure that the two build patches I posted today are in alpha3, so I will postpone building alpha3 until tomorrow. - sympow doesn't work on cygwin - this is a known issue. - if $HOME is set to something unusual I get some errors like [10.0 s] sage -t devel/sage-main/sage/rings/ commutative_algebra_element.py[Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/ cygdrive/c/WinCoCoa4.5.2/emacs/.sage//temp/sprocket/1588/tmp_19' (my $HOME is set to /cygdrive/c/WinCoCoa4.5.2/emacs/) - might this be related to the file descriptor patch that went in earlier this week? Possibly this is totally unrelated to $HOME, but I have never seens this before. It looks like this is mainly an annoyance, so not high priority. - GAP doesn't start: ** File graph.py, line 2248: sage: S = SymmetricGroup(20) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/doctest.py, line 1212, in __ru n compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest __main__.example_77[6], line 1, in module S = SymmetricGroup(Integer(20))###line 2248: sage: S = SymmetricGroup(20) File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ groups/perm_ gps/permgroup.py, line 1008, in __init__ PermutationGroup_generic.__init__(self, 'SymmetricGroup(%s)'%n, from_gro up = True) File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ groups/perm_ gps/permgroup.py, line 186, in __init__ self.gens() # so will check that group can be defined in GAP (e.g., no missing packages, etc.) File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ groups/perm_ gps/permgroup.py, line 456, in gens raise RuntimeError, (It might be necessary to install the database_gap optional SAGE package, if you haven't already.)\n%s%s RuntimeError: (It might be necessary to install the database_gap optional SA GE package, if you haven't already.) Failed to start GAP. Might be a local build issue - I will retry with alpha3. I had some odd issues with python, but because my build directory was nuked while playing atround with libsingular this will take a while. - _ns_image.dll issues: E:\cygwin\sage-2.5.alpha2\local\bin\python.exe: *** fatal error - unable to remap E:\cygwin\sage-2.5.alpha2\local\lib\python2.5\site- packages\matplotlib\_ns_ima ge.dll to same address as parent(0x1B0D) != 0x1B31 15 [main] python 1588 fork: child 1704 - died waiting for dll loading, errno 11 I have no idea where that one comes from. - some whitespace issues in calculus.py: sage -t devel/sage-main/sage/calculus/calculus.py ** File calculus.py, line 416: sage: f.display2d(onscreen=False) Expected: '\t\t\t\t\t 3\r\n\t\t\t\ty + x\r\n \t\t\t \r\n\t\t\t \t2\r\n\t\t\t\t 3 y + x + 1' Got: '\t\t\t\t\t 3\r\r\n\t\t\t\ty + x\r\r\n \t\t\t \r\r\n \t\t\t\t2\r\r\n\t\t\t\t 3 y + x + 1' ** 1 items had failures: 1 of 5 in __main__.example_8 ***Test Failed*** 1 failures. - problems in constants.py. I did patch ring_rqdf.pyx in order to make it compile on cygwin (it needed NAN and INFINTY), so this might be caused by me :(. Overall quad doubles seem not to work very well on cygwin (see the sympow issue). sage -t devel/sage-main/sage/functions/constants.py ** File constants.py, line 184: sage: RQDF(a) Exception raised: Traceback (most recent call last): File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/doctest.py, line 1212, in __ru n compileflags, 1) in test.globs File doctest __main__.example_0[56], line 1, in module RQDF(a)###line 184: sage: RQDF(a) File real_rqdf.pyx, line 172, in real_rqdf.RealQuadDoubleField_class.__c all__ File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ calculus/cal culus.py, line 2446, in _real_rqdf_ return self.simplify()._real_rqdf_(field) File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ calculus/cal culus.py, line 2447, in _real_rqdf_ rops = [op._real_rqdf_(field) for op in self._operands] File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ calculus/cal culus.py, line 2447, in _real_rqdf_ rops = [op._real_rqdf_(field) for op in self._operands] File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ calculus/cal culus.py, line 2447, in _real_rqdf_ rops = [op._real_rqdf_(field) for op in self._operands] File /sage-2.5.alpha2/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sage/ calculus/cal culus.py, line
[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion
Can you make a screenshot of my version in Safari. I only have IE and Firefox. On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 24:37 , William Stein wrote: [snip] (1) do the pages look: -- visually appealing -- simple and clean -- convey all the necessary information (i.e., I'm not missing key things that used to be there) Overall, it looks good. I think it's worth experimenting with losing the 'alternate' links at the top and bottom of the page. By comparison, I think Tim's version is not as effective (and as it stands, it certainly doesn't play well with Safari). I agree with David that the wording is strongly suggestive of a connection with Ron Popeil. Maybe I was wrong about saying As seen on TV! :-}. (2) does the text on the front page reasonably convey what SAGE is to somebody who say has never heard of programs like GAP and PARI, and just wants to know if SAGE might be for them? Make no compromises does not relate to Mathematics; maybe something like Experiment with and study a wide range of Mathematics. (3) Does the front page text seem to much like sales talk? Compared to Maple or Mathematica's web pages it's nothing (those pages are gut-wrenchingly obnoxious), but it might still be too much. As above. The bullet Use an open free alternative could be changed to avoid 'alternative', since your favorite open source software is mentioned. (4) I've purposely went from clean and simple, even more so than before, instead of say tricky drop downs css menus, etc., I like the overall design. A couple of comments: - as above, do we need the top and bottom links, especially those that duplicate prominently placed ones? - Maybe put 'News' links after the title and links box? - ... most any ...?? (third 'bullet') - Change 'Use a modern ...: I'd lose 'modern'; also, I think the notebook aspect of the GUI is worth highlighting, so include it in the bullet: Create notebooks with a web-based graphical interface? - Be curious - I'd reverse mentioning ?? and ?. Many will be interested in *what* is done; fewer in *how* it's done. - Change the 'Download' bullet: Download SAGE for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and then mention downloading and building from source in the discussion. (Oh, and the 'Download' page should say Mac OS X, not Apple OS X :-}) Justin -- They said it couldn't be done but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. - Casey Stengel -- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On 5/6/07, Timothy Clemans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The two column navigation table is very confusing to me. This might be a valid point. It's definitely not done very often. I think that web design has taken over content, which is pretty sad. Huh? The Sympy, Octave, and GMP sites are all good, because they provide all a lot of content in a clean web design. So while you guys don't use lists and css with them and use tables for layout, I'll be out constructing a larger site using meta tags, Google sitemap, and Google webmaster tools. So it will interesting to see what happens. Have fun forgetting about serious content and designing web pages that are not using modern code. You think that a succinct and tidy summary of what SAGE means to end users is not serious content? As far as the modern code goes, that would be nice, but I think a site that is visually appealing and doesn't inundate the user with too much information wins over modern code. On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/07, Mike Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking good. There should be a bit more space above the Download SAGE for ... heading. Thanks. Fixed. Do we have a vector version of the logo or just a larger version that we can scale up so that it's not dominated by the text below? Yes, there is a vector version somewhere -- Alex Clemesha drew the logo using Inkscape (a nice free vector graphics program). Instead though, I tried shrinking the text below some which might be just as good. --Mike On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've significantly modified http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/rc/web/ based on many people's extensive (and greatly appreciated!) feedback.More feedback would be appreciated, though I think it's converging, and I have a lot of papers to grade :-). William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org -- Bobby Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [sage-forum] String-integer coercion
Oh so it is not resizing correctly. Thank you for the screenshot. I had no idea that this sort of thing happened and it does happen for me. Can you make a screenshot of William's design for me? On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 14:38 , Timothy Clemans wrote: Can you make a screenshot of my version in Safari. I only have IE and Firefox. Here's one. A big issue for me is the fact that the server is forcing the client (my browser) to view it in a certain way (I have to scroll side-to-side, or else widen my window; neither of which I want to do). In addition, the content seems to get lost in the display. I can't really tell what the point of the page is, as it appears here. Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds Some people have a mental horizon of radius zero, and call it their point of view. -- David Hilbert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On May 6, 2007, at 15:20 , William Stein wrote: On 5/6/07, Justin C. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 6, 2007, at 13:57 , William Stein wrote: I agree. I actually changed it back already (try refresh in your browser). Much better :-} A point I meant to bring up earlier, and forgot (Tim's site reminded me): do you want to keep SAGE as an acronym, or let it stand on its own, uninterpreted? If the former, maybe something like this (centered, of course)? SAGE: Software for ... Free Open ... - I understand that people like the logo that's there, but personally, I find it a bit jarring; I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at every time I see it. I agree with you. Alex, is there any possibility you would consider slightly redesigning the logo to make it look slightly less abstract? To be clear, it's the way the 'a' and 'g' are joined, together with the 'type face', that makes for a complex visual experience (:-}), at least for me. I think the idea can be maintained, if the visual aspect is modified slightly. But again, since I'm a part-time engineer with no artistic capability, I have lots of opinions about this stuff... Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon at Large Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds --- I'm beginning to like the cut of his jibberish. --- --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
On Sunday 06 May 2007 3:49 pm, Justin C. Walker wrote: I agree. I actually changed it back already (try refresh in your browser). Much better :-} A point I meant to bring up earlier, and forgot (Tim's site reminded me): do you want to keep SAGE as an acronym, or let it stand on its own, uninterpreted? If the former, maybe something like this (centered, of course)? I've always planned to eventually drop SAGE being an acronym, at least on the front page. I think now is the time. I think SAGE is a reasonable name on its own for a math software program. Also it is clear now that SAGE should target much more than just algebra and geometry. SAGE: Software for ... Free Open ... - I understand that people like the logo that's there, but personally, I find it a bit jarring; I'm not quite sure what I'm looking at every time I see it. I agree with you. Alex, is there any possibility you would consider slightly redesigning the logo to make it look slightly less abstract? To be clear, it's the way the 'a' and 'g' are joined, together with the 'type face', that makes for a complex visual experience (:-}), at least for me. I think the idea can be maintained, if the visual aspect is modified slightly. But again, since I'm a part-time engineer with no artistic capability, I have lots of opinions about this stuff... Thanks for the clarification. I'll leave it as is now, and see if Alex Clemesha has any comments... -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: web page redesign
Hello, To be clear, it's the way the 'a' and 'g' are joined, together with the 'type face', that makes for a complex visual experience (:-}), at least for me. I think the idea can be maintained, if the visual aspect is modified slightly. But again, since I'm a part-time engineer with no artistic capability, I have lots of opinions about this stuff... Justin I really like the logo sagelogo.png and would suggest using it as icon for the installer/dmg/desktop link on windows because it should scale down much better than the png that is attached to sage-devel. Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] building alpha2 on Mac OS X PPC
Hi sage-devel, Eventually I got alpha2 to build on PPC. Martin Albrecht and I discussed several small fixes to get Singular and libsingular building on OS X; most of those are in his package. I also needed this to build: export DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/Users/nalexand/sage/local/lib ; ./gentable I had to remove _zope_interface_coptimizations.so from site-packages, because it was gumming up some zodb thing. I have no idea what the proper fix is. The results of ``make test'' will be along in a speedy six hours. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
All tests pass on my machine, a Centrino running ubuntu feisty: didier On 5/6/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ Feedback is welcome. This still won't build on OS X PowerPC or Cygwin, but should build on Linux and Intel OS X and pass make test there. Also, it should have most code that people have sent me for inclusion in SAGE. The official sage-2.5 is getting close, so any testing feedback is greatly appreciated. In particular, if people could try out some of the new features in sage-2.5, especially symbolic computation, this would be quite valuable. Here's a list of the main things that are new in sage-2.5.alpha3: 2.5: * new packages: - flintqs - ipython-0.8.0 (w stein) - maxima-5.12.0 (w stein) - python-2.5.1 (y qiang) -- important bug fixes - tachyon3d-0.98beta (w stein) * m abshoff: cputime bugfix for cygwin * m albrecht: major new singular library mode interface for SAGE which provides the world's fastest polynomial arithmetic to SAGE (not yet enabled by default!) * r bradshaw: tons of polynomial and power series optimizations; Coleman p-adic integration; Kedlaya for genus 1 * t clemens: source browser bugfix * p de napoli:fix some bugs in rationals and integers * d deshomme: (refereed by r bradshaw and w stein) very good support for Hida's quad-double field RQDF. * w hart: quadratic sieve update (SAGE's qsieve command): It is MUCH faster, especially for large factorizations, on account of having implemented the large prime variant. it will factor an 81 digit number in 20 minutes. On the Athlon it is the fastest generally available implementation of the quadratic sieve in the world for certain sized factorizations, and only slightly behind at other sizes. Another example: n = next_prime(2^110)*next_prime(2^120) has these times on 32-bit 2Ghz linux: qsieve (107s), PARI (223s), Magma 2.13 (336s). * d harvey: improvements, bug fixes. * d kohel:quaternion algebra improvements * k minola: tmp file clean bugfix; misc build fixes. * k minola, d joyner: updated the conway polynomial table * w stein and b moretti: major new symbolic calculus functionality * w stein:rewrite of SAGE/maxima interface. * c witty:(refereed by n alexandar) a new algebraic reals field (Qbar meet RR!). mpfr improvements --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
On May 6, 9:24 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ Feedback is welcome. On my machine running Debian testing, plotting-related tests fail with messages like: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library A mysterious error (perphaps a memory error?) occured, which may have crashed doctest. I think I understand why this is happening. Debian testing includes a new version of libpng (version 1.4, package names libpng14-1 and libpng14-dev). When matplotlib is compiled (in particular, the file _ns_image.cpp, which produces _ns_image.so), it uses a -I flag to include the png.h header file from SAGE's local version of libpng (version 1.2.16). However, when the resulting object file is linked, to actually produce _ns_image.so, it has no special -L flags, so it ends up linked against Debian's version 1.4 libpng. At runtime, libpng 1.4 notices that the application was compiled against the version 1.2.16 png.h header file; this is a fatal error, and exits SAGE. The fix is to change the matplotlib spkg-install, so that the _ns_image.so link command has the right -L flag to link against SAGE's libpng. (I don't know enough about the Python compile system to do this myself.) Carl Witty --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
On 5/6/07, cwitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ Feedback is welcome. On my machine running Debian testing, plotting-related tests fail with messages like: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library A mysterious error (perphaps a memory error?) occured, which may have crashed doctest. I think I understand why this is happening. Debian testing includes a new version of libpng (version 1.4, package names libpng14-1 and libpng14-dev). When matplotlib is compiled (in particular, the file _ns_image.cpp, which produces _ns_image.so), it uses a -I flag to include the png.h header file from SAGE's local version of libpng (version 1.2.16). However, when the resulting object file is linked, to actually produce _ns_image.so, it has no special -L flags, so it ends up linked against Debian's version 1.4 libpng. At runtime, libpng 1.4 notices that the application was compiled against the version 1.2.16 png.h header file; this is a fatal error, and exits SAGE. The fix is to change the matplotlib spkg-install, so that the _ns_image.so link command has the right -L flag to link against SAGE's libpng. (I don't know enough about the Python compile system to do this myself.) Many thanks for tracking this down!! I greatly appreciate it. -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage-2.5.alpha3
On May 7, 7:45 am, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/6/07, cwitty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted sage-2.5.alpha3 here: http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/was/sage2.5/ Feedback is welcome. On my machine running Debian testing, plotting-related tests fail with messages like: libpng error: Incompatible libpng version in application and library A mysterious error (perphaps a memory error?) occured, which may have crashed doctest. I think I understand why this is happening. Debian testing includes a new version of libpng (version 1.4, package names libpng14-1 and libpng14-dev). When matplotlib is compiled (in particular, the file _ns_image.cpp, which produces _ns_image.so), it uses a -I flag to include the png.h header file from SAGE's local version of libpng (version 1.2.16). However, when the resulting object file is linked, to actually produce _ns_image.so, it has no special -L flags, so it ends up linked against Debian's version 1.4 libpng. At runtime, libpng 1.4 notices that the application was compiled against the version 1.2.16 png.h header file; this is a fatal error, and exits SAGE. The fix is to change the matplotlib spkg-install, so that the _ns_image.so link command has the right -L flag to link against SAGE's libpng. (I don't know enough about the Python compile system to do this myself.) Many thanks for tracking this down!! I greatly appreciate it. -- William This will probably solve this issue I reported above on cygwin, too: - _ns_image.dll issues: E:\cygwin\sage-2.5.alpha2\local\bin\python.exe: *** fatal error - unable to remap E:\cygwin\sage-2.5.alpha2\local\lib\python2.5\site- packages\matplotlib\_ns_image.dll to same address as parent(0x1B0D) != 0x1B31 15 [main] python 1588 fork: child 1704 - died waiting for dll loading, errno 11 Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: singular-3.0.2-20070506-2226 compile failure on cygwin
Both fixed in: /home/malb/pkgs/singular-3-0-2-20070507-0123.spkg IIRC Nick reported that the libsingular stuff works on OSX/PPC for him, so this spkg should _build_ on all SAGE supported platforms. Reports are very welcome. I think there is an issue when importing (to SAGE) libsingular.dll under CYGWIN which I will fix tomorrow. But this shouldn't affect make test. Thanks to everybody helping out so far! Martin -- Hello, at least on cygwin libsingular still fails to build. Singular.exe seems to work. In addition it seems that a failure during the singular build screws up python as well as some other components, i.e. import md5 fails. Rebuilding python fixes that, but then pyres has some rather odd problems, spkg-install in the singular build directory then fails due to a missing gmp. The problem with libsingular seems to be that certain symbols cannot be exported. The package also still has a libsingular.dylib copy in it. Can you check with your build whether/how we delete bits? Restarting from scratch is rather expensive on cygwin :( Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
