[sage-devel] Re: sage+gap conf stuff
On 9/16/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some comments on the recent GAP comments relevant to SAGE: (0) The talk on SAGE went quite well and generated interest. Excellent. (1) Many GAP developers and some GAP packages authors like SAGE and plan on looking into the extra functionality of GAP-SAGE (ie, the GAP that comes with SAGE). Especially the HAP team. I would like to include HAP as standard as soon as we can. (There still is a documented HAP function which returns a list sometimes and an integer others. I have them 2 ways to remedy this which are fairly easy. Once they fix this, i would like it to be included. Further HAP development will use polymake, which is already a SAGE package.) Just get it to work for me easily and I'll include it. (2) Many really liked the SAGE gui. Unfortunately, the TUB (Tech Univ at Braunschweig) wirefall blocked the online authentication so it could not be used and there was no internet at the hotel. For future reference, about 3-4 days ago I changed things so that the public notebook server: (1) Doesn't use ssl at all, and (2) Is at http://sagenb.org (and another at http://sagenb.com), so there is no funny business with ports. Thus the above setup shouldn't get blocked anywhere anymore. Obviously (1) means people could sniff password on the public notebook easily, but this really isn't too worrisome given that the thing is free, etc., so what should people expect? (3) The Browse package authors (which used ncurses to do some fancy display tricks with large character tables, for example) wished that it could be used in the gui. I have no idea if you can pipe ncurses special characters through to the browser and make it look nicer. I have no clue if that is possible or if it would be a good idea. Probably not. In general, for SAGE's browser, how do you view a section of a huge (say character or Cayley) table? They have solved this problem using Browse, which leaves the side and top alone (which index the rows and columns) but allows you to browse 5 or 10 consecutive rows and column entries. I suspect HTML and any good web browser solves this problem ok -- just make aread-only textarea or span or div tag with a limited number of rows and columns, and the browser provides good scroll functionality. This is one thing that browsers are surprisingly good at. (4) Single processor machines are almost a thing of the past. How do we start to adjust for this increase in processors? DSAGE, IPython1, multithreaded BLAS, etc. Can SAGE use a single GAP workspace but start two (or more) threads using that? I don't know what that means, due to my lack of knowledge about GAP. Which basic commands (like polynomial multiplication) can be parallelized? For atomic operations like that, most anything can be parallelized. The amusing thing is that usually the overhead of starting threads and keeping track of them ends up making the resulting code slower than not using threads at all. In my opinion the *only* reason to ever use parallelism is to make things faster -- period. If a parallel implementation isn't demonstrably faster than a serial one, then there is no point (though there are some issues of scaling). In numerous cases basic arithmetic, linear algebra, etc. in SAGE / GAP is way slower than Magma's serial implementations, so in such cases one should at least catch up with (or beat) them first. Finally, in many cases Sage's basic arithmetic is done by third-party libraries, in order to avoid us reinventing the wheel... our multivariate polynomial arithmetic is often done by Singular -- and it would probably takes years of hard work to come up with our own serial multivariate polynomial arithmetic that would beat Singular (note that Singular actually beats Magma in many cases). And then once we understand our serial implementation, we have to do something parallel that is even better. So I think nontrivial parallelization at the low-level arithmetic level is not something that is going to happen soon, except if any third party libraries were to do it. One exception is linear algebra, where SAGE uses Linbox, which in turn using a system-wide optimized BLAS -- and one can get optimized BLAS's that really do leverage multicore machines, e.g., this is standard on OS X. So already much of SAGE's linear algebra benefits from multicore machines, without us doing any work to make that happen. Parallelization at a higher level, e.g., dsage, ipython1, etc., is of course very important and is currently being used all the time by people. (5) How easy would it be to certify a computation? Suppose f is a function, x is input and y is output and I claim GAP (or SAGE) tells me that, after several days, y = f(x). I want you to believe me, so I certify this. One way (maybe) is to have SAGE encrypt the start time, finish time, and printout (and maybe a pickle of some relevant data) into a file. This file looks random
[sage-devel] Re: sage+gap conf stuff
Speaking of parallel processing in Python, I recently heard about the pp module: http://www.parallelpython.com/ It may be something that we want to look at. --Mike On 9/16/07, William Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/16/07, David Joyner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some comments on the recent GAP comments relevant to SAGE: (0) The talk on SAGE went quite well and generated interest. Excellent. (1) Many GAP developers and some GAP packages authors like SAGE and plan on looking into the extra functionality of GAP-SAGE (ie, the GAP that comes with SAGE). Especially the HAP team. I would like to include HAP as standard as soon as we can. (There still is a documented HAP function which returns a list sometimes and an integer others. I have them 2 ways to remedy this which are fairly easy. Once they fix this, i would like it to be included. Further HAP development will use polymake, which is already a SAGE package.) Just get it to work for me easily and I'll include it. (2) Many really liked the SAGE gui. Unfortunately, the TUB (Tech Univ at Braunschweig) wirefall blocked the online authentication so it could not be used and there was no internet at the hotel. For future reference, about 3-4 days ago I changed things so that the public notebook server: (1) Doesn't use ssl at all, and (2) Is at http://sagenb.org (and another at http://sagenb.com), so there is no funny business with ports. Thus the above setup shouldn't get blocked anywhere anymore. Obviously (1) means people could sniff password on the public notebook easily, but this really isn't too worrisome given that the thing is free, etc., so what should people expect? (3) The Browse package authors (which used ncurses to do some fancy display tricks with large character tables, for example) wished that it could be used in the gui. I have no idea if you can pipe ncurses special characters through to the browser and make it look nicer. I have no clue if that is possible or if it would be a good idea. Probably not. In general, for SAGE's browser, how do you view a section of a huge (say character or Cayley) table? They have solved this problem using Browse, which leaves the side and top alone (which index the rows and columns) but allows you to browse 5 or 10 consecutive rows and column entries. I suspect HTML and any good web browser solves this problem ok -- just make aread-only textarea or span or div tag with a limited number of rows and columns, and the browser provides good scroll functionality. This is one thing that browsers are surprisingly good at. (4) Single processor machines are almost a thing of the past. How do we start to adjust for this increase in processors? DSAGE, IPython1, multithreaded BLAS, etc. Can SAGE use a single GAP workspace but start two (or more) threads using that? I don't know what that means, due to my lack of knowledge about GAP. Which basic commands (like polynomial multiplication) can be parallelized? For atomic operations like that, most anything can be parallelized. The amusing thing is that usually the overhead of starting threads and keeping track of them ends up making the resulting code slower than not using threads at all. In my opinion the *only* reason to ever use parallelism is to make things faster -- period. If a parallel implementation isn't demonstrably faster than a serial one, then there is no point (though there are some issues of scaling). In numerous cases basic arithmetic, linear algebra, etc. in SAGE / GAP is way slower than Magma's serial implementations, so in such cases one should at least catch up with (or beat) them first. Finally, in many cases Sage's basic arithmetic is done by third-party libraries, in order to avoid us reinventing the wheel... our multivariate polynomial arithmetic is often done by Singular -- and it would probably takes years of hard work to come up with our own serial multivariate polynomial arithmetic that would beat Singular (note that Singular actually beats Magma in many cases). And then once we understand our serial implementation, we have to do something parallel that is even better. So I think nontrivial parallelization at the low-level arithmetic level is not something that is going to happen soon, except if any third party libraries were to do it. One exception is linear algebra, where SAGE uses Linbox, which in turn using a system-wide optimized BLAS -- and one can get optimized BLAS's that really do leverage multicore machines, e.g., this is standard on OS X. So already much of SAGE's linear algebra benefits from multicore machines, without us doing any work to make that happen. Parallelization at a higher level, e.g., dsage, ipython1, etc., is of course very important and is currently being used all the time by people. (5) How easy would it be to certify a computation? Suppose f is a function, x is input
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
2007/9/16, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Solaris 10 on Opteron: toolchain: ../gcc-4.2.1/configure --with-ld=/usr/sfw/i386-sun-solaris2.10/bin/ld --with-as=/usr/sfw/bin/gas \ --prefix=/usr/local/gcc-4.2.1 --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --with- gmp=/usr/local/gmp-4.2.2-32/ \ --with-mpfr=/usr/local/mpfr-2.2.1p2-32/ ### Issues: ### I am using solaris 10 also (granted, on a p4), but so far I'm not running into as many issues are you are: ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ uname -a SunOS unknown 5.11 snv_57 i86pc i386 ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ gcc -v Reading specs from /opt/csw/gcc4/lib/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/specs Target: i386-pc-solaris2.8 Configured with: ../sources/gcc-4.0.2/configure --prefix=/opt/csw/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/opt/csw --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/csw/bin/gas --without-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-shared --enable-multilib --enable-nls --with-included-gettext --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw --with-x --enable-java-awt=xlib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++,f95,java,objc,ada Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.2 I am using pre-compiled packages from blastwave. The only showstopper has been lapack: sage_fortran -fPIC -c lsame.f -o lsame.o ld.so.1: f951: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/csw/gcc4/libexec/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/f951: symbol __gmpn_clz_tab: referenced symbol not found ntl, python, libgcrypt and even linbox are some of the packages that build flawlessly. didier * libgcrypt-1.2.4 In src/tests/Makefile.in: LINK = $(LIBTOOL) --tag=CC --mode=link $(CCLD) $(AM_CFLAGS) $(CFLAGS) \ $(AM_LDFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) -lnsl -lsocket -lmp -lscf -lgen - ldoor -lmd -lgcc_s -L/lib/ -luutil -o $@ Bug in os installation: in /lib: missing link to libuutil.so from libuutil.so.1? * opencdk-0.5.9 In src/tests/Makefile.in: LINK = $(LIBTOOL) --tag=CC --mode=link $(CCLD) $(AM_CFLAGS) $(CFLAGS) \ $(AM_LDFLAGS) $(LDFLAGS) \ -lnsl -lsocket -lmp -lscf -lgen -ldoor -lmd -lgcc_s -L/lib/ - luutil -o $@ * gnutls-1.6.3: unresolved problem: /bin/bash ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link gcc -D_REENTRANT - D_THREAD_SAFE -Wno-pointer-sign -pipe -I/export/home/mabshoff/ sage-2.8.4.2/local/include -I/export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/ include -lnsl -lsocket -lmp -lscf -lgen -ldoor -lmd -lgcc_s -L/lib/ - luutil -o gnutls-serv serv-gaa.o serv.o common.o select.o ../lib/ libgnutls.la ../libextra/libgnutls-extra.la -L/export/home/mabshoff/ sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib -lgcrypt -L/export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/ local/lib -lgpg-error gcc -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wno-pointer-sign -pipe -I/export/home/ mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/include -I/export/home/mabshoff/ sage-2.8.4.2/local/include -o .libs/gnutls-serv serv-gaa.o serv.o common.o select.o -lnsl -lsocket -lmp -lscf -lgen -ldoor -lmd -lgcc_s -L/lib/ -luutil ../lib/.libs/libgnutls.so -L/export/home/mabshoff/ sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so /export/ home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/spkg/build/gnutls-1.6.3/src/lib/.libs/ libgnutls.so -lz -lxnet /export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib/ libgcrypt.so /export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib/libgpg- error.so -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' ../libextra/.libs/libgnutls-extra.so: undefined reference to [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Odd, because ntohs and so on are in -lsocket -lnls -lresovl - cc shooting across. Sun ld issue? * python: needs -lrt -laio -lmd for symbols sem_init() - bug in configure script. -lmd also fixes md5 import problem. problems with sockets - see below: * twisted: import socket fails running install_egg_info Writing /export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib/python2.5/site- packages/zope.interface-3.3.0-py2.5.egg-info Traceback (most recent call last): File setup.py, line 20, in module from twisted import copyright File ./twisted/__init__.py, line 26, in module from twisted.python import compat File ./twisted/python/compat.py, line 15, in module import sys, string, socket, struct File /export/home/mabshoff/sage-2.8.4.2/local/lib/python2.5/ socket.py, line 45, in module import _socket ImportError: No module named _socket Error: Subprocess exited with result 1 for project core Error installing Twisted networking
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
On Sep 16, 8:17 pm, didier deshommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/16, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Solaris 10 on Opteron: toolchain: ../gcc-4.2.1/configure --with-ld=/usr/sfw/i386-sun-solaris2.10/bin/ld --with-as=/usr/sfw/bin/gas \ --prefix=/usr/local/gcc-4.2.1 --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --with- gmp=/usr/local/gmp-4.2.2-32/ \ --with-mpfr=/usr/local/mpfr-2.2.1p2-32/ ### Issues: ### Hello Didier, I am using solaris 10 also (granted, on a p4), but so far I'm not running into as many issues are you are: ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ uname -a SunOS unknown 5.11 snv_57 i86pc i386 it looks like you are running a fairly recent OpenSolaris build. But is it pure OpenSolaris or Nexenta? I know you used Nexenta in the past, but that is quite different because the userspace is close to 100% GNU while Solaris is sufficiently different to cause issues. I run the latest official Solaris 10 U4: uname -a SunOS unknown 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ gcc -v Reading specs from /opt/csw/gcc4/lib/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/specs Target: i386-pc-solaris2.8 Configured with: ../sources/gcc-4.0.2/configure --prefix=/opt/csw/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/opt/csw --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/csw/bin/gas --without-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-shared --enable-multilib --enable-nls --with-included-gettext --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw --with-x --enable-java-awt=xlib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++,f95,java,objc,ada Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.2 I am using pre-compiled packages from blastwave. --enable-threads=posix might take care of some of the python issue. I have seen python 2.5.1 at blastwave.org, so I assume it is possible to build it without too much fiddling. William and I wanted to build everything from source without the need to install external packages. And we are trying to also get it to work in Solaris 9. The only showstopper has been lapack: sage_fortran -fPIC -c lsame.f -o lsame.o ld.so.1: f951: fatal: relocation error: file /opt/csw/gcc4/libexec/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/f951: symbol __gmpn_clz_tab: referenced symbol not found Haven't seen that one. But it is a GMP symbol and I have no idea why that would be linked against Lapack. The BlastWave binary also seems to have been compiled for Solaris 2.8, so that might be an issue. ntl, python, libgcrypt and even linbox are some of the packages that build flawlessly. No real surprises expect for Python. I assumed that that was one of the packages that would just build. I regularly build LinBox on Solaris, so in any other case let me know. I had to patch lcalc, but that fix is going in soon. didier Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
2007/9/16, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it looks like you are running a fairly recent OpenSolaris build. But is it pure OpenSolaris or Nexenta? I know you used Nexenta in the past, but that is quite different because the userspace is close to 100% GNU while Solaris is sufficiently different to cause issues. I run the latest official Solaris 10 U4: It is pure Solaris. More specifically this is Solaris Express Community Edition b57. The only modifications I made is that I use gnu build tools whenever I can (ie gmake, gcc, gas, ranlib, tar, etc). I hope that answers your question. uname -a SunOS unknown 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ gcc -v Reading specs from /opt/csw/gcc4/lib/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/specs Target: i386-pc-solaris2.8 Configured with: ../sources/gcc-4.0.2/configure --prefix=/opt/csw/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/opt/csw --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/csw/bin/gas --without-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-shared --enable-multilib --enable-nls --with-included-gettext --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw --with-x --enable-java-awt=xlib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++,f95,java,objc,ada Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.2 I am using pre-compiled packages from blastwave. --enable-threads=posix might take care of some of the python issue. I have seen python 2.5.1 at blastwave.org, so I assume it is possible to build it without too much fiddling. William and I wanted to build everything from source without the need to install external packages. And we are trying to also get it to work in Solaris 9. Haven't seen that one. But it is a GMP symbol and I have no idea why that would be linked against Lapack. The BlastWave binary also seems to have been compiled for Solaris 2.8, so that might be an issue. Come to thinks about it, I think the gfortran lapack package installs mpfr (or gmp I can't remember) with it. The solution might as simple as grabbing the gfortran binary for x86-solaris and installing it manually. didier --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
On Sep 16, 9:13 pm, didier deshommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/16, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Didier, it looks like you are running a fairly recent OpenSolaris build. But is it pure OpenSolaris or Nexenta? I know you used Nexenta in the past, but that is quite different because the userspace is close to 100% GNU while Solaris is sufficiently different to cause issues. I run the latest official Solaris 10 U4: It is pure Solaris. More specifically this is Solaris Express Community Edition b57. The only modifications I made is that I use gnu build tools whenever I can (ie gmake, gcc, gas, ranlib, tar, etc). I hope that answers your question. Pretty much. I saw that you ran the nevada kernel and build 57. I never ran Nexenta, but now found out that its uname does mention it and the blaswave packages do not run on it. But Solaris Express seems to be a lot more current than Solaris 10, just look at the difference between Solaris 9 and 10 to get an idea many problems just vanish between those two releases. Regarding the GNU tools: I installed those from the official Solaris 10 DVD and then build my own environment. I am curious if my issues will go away with Solaris Express, but I still need to be able to build on 9 10. For example: the math department at Dortmund they still runs Solaris 9 on all Sparc hardware and there are no plans to introduce 10, much less run Solaris Express. Only recently the Solaris 8 boxen were upgraded, so Solaris installations have a tendency to stick around quite some time (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody who ever worked on/with Solaris - if it ain't broken, don't fix it) I don't think we should support Sage in Solaris/x86 on anything older but 10, but for Sparc support for 9 would be good. uname -a SunOS unknown 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ gcc -v Reading specs from /opt/csw/gcc4/lib/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/specs Target: i386-pc-solaris2.8 Configured with: ../sources/gcc-4.0.2/configure --prefix=/opt/csw/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/opt/csw --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/csw/bin/gas --without-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-shared --enable-multilib --enable-nls --with-included-gettext --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw --with-x --enable-java-awt=xlib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++,f95,java,objc,ada Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.2 I am using pre-compiled packages from blastwave. --enable-threads=posix might take care of some of the python issue. I have seen python 2.5.1 at blastwave.org, so I assume it is possible to build it without too much fiddling. William and I wanted to build everything from source without the need to install external packages. And we are trying to also get it to work in Solaris 9. Haven't seen that one. But it is a GMP symbol and I have no idea why that would be linked against Lapack. The BlastWave binary also seems to have been compiled for Solaris 2.8, so that might be an issue. Come to thinks about it, I think the gfortran lapack package installs mpfr (or gmp I can't remember) with it. The solution might as simple as grabbing the gfortran binary for x86-solaris and installing it manually. Sounds like the solution. I really dislike the fact that pkgadd cannot deal with dependencies properly. But it is common practice to statically link gmp mpfr against any gcc compiler, 4.2. actually warns you about dynamic libraries if I recall correctly. didier Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: sage+gap conf stuff
For future reference, about 3-4 days ago I changed things so that the public notebook server: (1) Doesn't use ssl at all, and (2) Is at http://sagenb.org (and another at http://sagenb.com), so there is no funny business with ports. Thus the above setup shouldn't get blocked anywhere anymore. Obviously (1) means people could sniff password on the public notebook easily, but this really isn't too worrisome given that the thing is free, etc., so what should people expect? Did SSL slow down the machines that were running the public notebook? Did you run into scalability problems? If there is one lesson to be learned from it-sec than it is: people are amazingly stupid when it comes to it-sec. If you want to demonstrate that with SAGE you can easily work over the network using just a webbrowser (i.e. fullfill the promises of the webapps buzz) it is -- at least to me -- a requirement to not gamble with a user's credentials. Using a non-encrypted login page is -- again, at least to me -- a gamble with the user's credential. To sum up: I strongly vote for re-enabling SSL encryption. Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x8EF0DC99 _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
I just wanted to say awesome and keep up the good work. I'll be testing Sage on Solaris/x86 soon. On Sep 16, 3:25 pm, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] dortmund.de wrote: On Sep 16, 9:13 pm, didier deshommes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/9/16, mabshoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Didier, it looks like you are running a fairly recent OpenSolaris build. But is it pure OpenSolaris or Nexenta? I know you used Nexenta in the past, but that is quite different because the userspace is close to 100% GNU while Solaris is sufficiently different to cause issues. I run the latest official Solaris 10 U4: It is pure Solaris. More specifically this is Solaris Express Community Edition b57. The only modifications I made is that I use gnu build tools whenever I can (ie gmake, gcc, gas, ranlib, tar, etc). I hope that answers your question. Pretty much. I saw that you ran the nevada kernel and build 57. I never ran Nexenta, but now found out that its uname does mention it and the blaswave packages do not run on it. But Solaris Express seems to be a lot more current than Solaris 10, just look at the difference between Solaris 9 and 10 to get an idea many problems just vanish between those two releases. Regarding the GNU tools: I installed those from the official Solaris 10 DVD and then build my own environment. I am curious if my issues will go away with Solaris Express, but I still need to be able to build on 9 10. For example: the math department at Dortmund they still runs Solaris 9 on all Sparc hardware and there are no plans to introduce 10, much less run Solaris Express. Only recently the Solaris 8 boxen were upgraded, so Solaris installations have a tendency to stick around quite some time (which shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody who ever worked on/with Solaris - if it ain't broken, don't fix it) I don't think we should support Sage in Solaris/x86 on anything older but 10, but for Sparc support for 9 would be good. uname -a SunOS unknown 5.10 Generic_120012-14 i86pc i386 i86pc ~/custom/sage-2.8.4.2 $ gcc -v Reading specs from /opt/csw/gcc4/lib/gcc/i386-pc-solaris2.8/4.0.2/specs Target: i386-pc-solaris2.8 Configured with: ../sources/gcc-4.0.2/configure --prefix=/opt/csw/gcc4 --with-local-prefix=/opt/csw --with-gnu-as --with-as=/opt/csw/bin/gas --without-gnu-ld --with-ld=/usr/ccs/bin/ld --enable-threads=posix --enable-shared --enable-multilib --enable-nls --with-included-gettext --with-libiconv-prefix=/opt/csw --with-x --enable-java-awt=xlib --with-system-zlib --enable-languages=c,c++,f95,java,objc,ada Thread model: posix gcc version 4.0.2 I am using pre-compiled packages from blastwave. --enable-threads=posix might take care of some of the python issue. I have seen python 2.5.1 at blastwave.org, so I assume it is possible to build it without too much fiddling. William and I wanted to build everything from source without the need to install external packages. And we are trying to also get it to work in Solaris 9. Haven't seen that one. But it is a GMP symbol and I have no idea why that would be linked against Lapack. The BlastWave binary also seems to have been compiled for Solaris 2.8, so that might be an issue. Come to thinks about it, I think the gfortran lapack package installs mpfr (or gmp I can't remember) with it. The solution might as simple as grabbing the gfortran binary for x86-solaris and installing it manually. Sounds like the solution. I really dislike the fact that pkgadd cannot deal with dependencies properly. But it is common practice to statically link gmp mpfr against any gcc compiler, 4.2. actually warns you about dynamic libraries if I recall correctly. didier Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Sage 2.8.3 on Solaris - A New Hope
On Sep 17, 12:16 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to say awesome and keep up the good work. I'll be testing Sage on Solaris/x86 soon. Well, we are getting very close now: Hangs (due to pecpect issues?): sage -t rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_element.py sage -t rings/polynomial/toy_buchberger.py Total list of failures: sage -t calculus/calculus.py sage -t functions/constants.py sage -t functions/piecewise.py sage -t functions/special.py sage -t functions/transcendental.py sage -t interfaces/maxima.py sage -t interfaces/singular.py sage -t lfunctions/sympow.py sage -t matrix/matrix_integer_dense.pyx sage -t matrix/matrix_space.py sage -t modular/ssmod/ssmod.py sage -t rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_element.py sage -t rings/polynomial/multi_polynomial_ring_generic.pyx sage -t rings/polynomial/toy_buchberger.py sage -t rings/complex_double.pyx sage -t rings/power_series_ring.py sage -t rings/real_double.pyx sage -t schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py Last missing piece of software: sympow, most of the failures are caused by a couple bugs, most of the doctests are due to numerical noise, nan vs. NaN and some other small issues. The rng also behaves differently. I opened tickets #667-#676 and hopefully we will get them fixed during Bug Day 3 this Thursday. Didier, does sage -testall pass on your install? Cheers, Michael --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: Interactive cells, GUIs, javascript, ...
One last thing, I wanted to say that my earlier Mathematica comments do not (usually) apply when dealing with the individual developers, who are (usually) very helpful, especially on MathGroup. The thing I am complaining about is the overall process of reporting and fixing problems. On Sep 14, 5:50 pm, Chris Chiasson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... wait until you actually start pushing Mathematica, it gets sluggish on you, produces wrong results and/or crashes, and you receive apathy and blame dodging instead of tech support and bug fixing. On Sep 14, 3:31 pm, Hamptonio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I started using Mathematica 6 in the computer labs of some courses I teach, and I cannot help but be impressed. The new dynamic commands such as Manipulate are very impressive, and are perfect for teaching. Before seeing how powerful it is, I had hoped to switch from using mathematica to sage in the fall of 2008. But now I am not sure I can justisfy that switch or convince my colleagues it would make sense. (As an aside: assume for the sake of argument that my department gets mathematica for free, which is true in a certain bureaucratic sense). For some sense of what mathematica can now do, check out:http://www.wolfram.com/products/mathematica/newin6/content/DynamicInt I actually think its more impressive in person. While I would like to help remedy the gap between sage and mathematica/ matlab in this respect, I am not sure how it would be done. I am learning a little about wxPython, but I don't think that would work through the notebook at all, unless a program was created on the server for download and byte-compilation by the client. Does anyone have any ideas? If javascript is a possibility, can someone recommend a good reference for learning to use it for such complicated purposes? Or is java an option? -Marshall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URLs: http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ and http://modular.math.washington.edu/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
