Re: [sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[François Bissey]

Also suitesparse. 
Of course one of thing is actually blas/lapack (openblas)- but
with any luck we can use the accelerate framework from OS X.
I haven’t heard it is not available on macs with M1 chips so I am 
assuming it is present.

> On 25/11/2020, at 3:46 PM, kcrisman  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> IMHO it's known to work with numpy, scipy, and R. 
> 
> 
> That's pretty much all we need fortran for, right?   Good news.   Still, the 
> toolchain will be more annoying than on current Mac then. 
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Re: [sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[kcrisman]

>
> IMHO it's known to work with numpy, scipy, and R. 
>
>
That's pretty much all we need fortran for, right?   Good news.   Still, 
the toolchain will be more annoying than on current Mac then. 

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Re: [sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[Dima Pasechnik]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 6:49 PM François Bissey  wrote:
>
> That would be a new fortran compiler. I did builds in the past with
> the intel fortran compiler and the PG compiler but not NAG.
> You’ll be in totally uncharted territory.

IMHO it's known to work with numpy, scipy, and R.

>
> Fraçois
>
> > On 25/11/2020, at 5:36 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> >
> > Anyhow, there is
> > https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs
> > (and we have insiders in NAG, perhaps we can get these for free...)
> >
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi sage-devel,
> >>>
> >>> The only references I could find to this so far are
> >>> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
> >>> and
> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
> >>> where I asked more generally about ARM.
> >>>
> >>> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would 
> >>> be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a 
> >>> number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be 
> >>> a partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester 
> >>> break!
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened 
> >>> to hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like 
> >>> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty 
> >>> soon.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> kcrisman
> >>
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Re: [sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[Isuru Fernando]

At conda-forge, we are using a gfortran fork (
https://github.com/iains/gcc-darwin-arm64) and it works great so far.
scipy, numpy test suites pass.

Isuru

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM François Bissey 
wrote:

> That would be a new fortran compiler. I did builds in the past with
> the intel fortran compiler and the PG compiler but not NAG.
> You’ll be in totally uncharted territory.
>
> Fraçois
>
> > On 25/11/2020, at 5:36 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> >
> > Anyhow, there is
> > https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs
> > (and we have insiders in NAG, perhaps we can get these for free...)
> >
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi sage-devel,
> >>>
> >>> The only references I could find to this so far are
> >>> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
> >>> and
> >>> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
> >>> where I asked more generally about ARM.
> >>>
> >>> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it
> would be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for
> a number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be
> a partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester
> break!
> >>>
> >>> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone
> happened to hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like
> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> kcrisman
> >>
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Re: [sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[François Bissey]

That would be a new fortran compiler. I did builds in the past with 
the intel fortran compiler and the PG compiler but not NAG.
You’ll be in totally uncharted territory.

Fraçois

> On 25/11/2020, at 5:36 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote:
> 
> Anyhow, there is
> https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs
> (and we have insiders in NAG, perhaps we can get these for free...)
> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi sage-devel,
>>> 
>>> The only references I could find to this so far are
>>> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
>>> and
>>> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
>>> where I asked more generally about ARM.
>>> 
>>> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would 
>>> be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a 
>>> number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be a 
>>> partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester break!
>>> 
>>> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened to 
>>> hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like 
>>> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> kcrisman
>> 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Apple M1 Chip

[Dima Pasechnik]

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 3:51 PM Zachary Scherr  wrote:
>
> You may want to take a look at with 
> https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/7857.  I think the biggest thing at 
> the moment is that gfortran won't be available for the M1 for some time.

it seems to me that one can still run the full Homebrew, including
gfortran, in their x86_64 emulator Rosetta.
https://soffes.blog/homebrew-on-apple-silicon (YMMV)

Anyhow, there is
https://www.nag.com/news/first-fortran-compiler-apple-silicon-macs
(and we have insiders in NAG, perhaps we can get these for free...)

>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:
>>
>> Hi sage-devel,
>>
>> The only references I could find to this so far are
>> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
>> and
>> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
>> where I asked more generally about ARM.
>>
>> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would be 
>> nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a number 
>> of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be a partial 
>> guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester break!
>>
>> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened to 
>> hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like 
>> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kcrisman
>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Apple M1 Chip

[Isuru Fernando]

See https://conda-forge.org/blog/posts/2020-10-29-macos-arm64/
I added sage to the build of macos-arm64 packages and the progress can be
seen at
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/regro/cf-graph-countyfair/master/status/armosxaddition.svg?sanitize=true

Isuru

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:51 AM Zachary Scherr  wrote:

> You may want to take a look at with
> https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/7857.  I think the biggest thing
> at the moment is that gfortran won't be available for the M1 for some time.
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:
>
>> Hi sage-devel,
>>
>> The only references I could find to this so far are
>> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
>> and
>> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
>> where I asked more generally about ARM.
>>
>> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would
>> be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a
>> number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be a
>> partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester break!
>>
>> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened
>> to hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like
>> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> kcrisman
>>
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[sage-devel] Re: Apple M1 Chip

[Zachary Scherr]

You may want to take a look at with 
https://github.com/Homebrew/brew/issues/7857.  I think the biggest thing at 
the moment is that gfortran won't be available for the M1 for some time.

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 10:47:42 AM UTC-5 kcrisman wrote:

> Hi sage-devel,
>
> The only references I could find to this so far are
> https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
> and 
> https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
> where I asked more generally about ARM.
>
> I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would 
> be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a 
> number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be a 
> partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester break!
>
> Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened to 
> hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like 
> BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.
>
> Thanks, 
> kcrisman
>

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[sage-devel] Apple M1 Chip

[kcrisman]

Hi sage-devel,

The only references I could find to this so far are
https://ask.sagemath.org/question/54220/apple-silicon-m1-chip/
and 
https://groups.google.com/g/sage-devel/c/5yY3VmkT4kE/m/P21QdaMUBgAJ
where I asked more generally about ARM.

I am likely to be assigned such a laptop in the near future, but it would 
be nice not to be a total guinea pig (since I rely on having Sage for a 
number of different purposes in my teaching).  Though I am willing to be a 
partial guinea pig if I get the computer early enough in our semester break!

Anyway, in the intervening weeks since those posts, has anyone happened to 
hear more about this (either for Sage or for dependencies like 
BLAS/Numpy/MPIR)?  This will be the default for a lot of people pretty soon.

Thanks, 
kcrisman

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