Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Alejandro Serrano Mena]

Dear all,
I was the uploader of the `sip` and `PyQt4` packages. This was long ago and 
right now I cannot take the effort of upgrading them. As far as I know, 
they haven't been used for any other thing that experimentation...

El miércoles, 27 de abril de 2016, 16:05:28 (UTC+2), Dima Pasechnik 
escribió:
>
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 1:53:27 PM UTC+1, tdumont wrote:
>>
>> Le 27/04/2016 12:34, mmarco a écrit : 
>> > Several of the maintainers answered me telling that it is OK to remove 
>> > those packages. The rest of them either couldn't be contacted or did 
>> not 
>> > answer at all. So it is safe to delete the packages. 
>> > 
>> > El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 11:19:29 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió: 
>> > 
>> > In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think 
>> > we should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>> > 
>> > If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good 
>> > reason to remove it from the list of optional packages. 
>> > 
>> > El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 9:24:01 (UTC+2), Volker Braun 
>> > escribió: 
>> > 
>> > Since we once again had a thread about the pains of 
>> accidentally 
>> > installing an old-style optional package, I propose to delete 
>> > them except the following instead of opening a trac ticket for 
>> > each one once something bad happened. If there is anything else 
>> > you want to hit reply... 
>> > 
>> > See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/ 
>> > > >
>>  
>>
>> > 
>> > To keep: 
>> > 
>> > - chomp 
>> > - java3d 
>> > - phc 
>> > - qhull 
>> > - kash3 
>> > 
>>
>> Mhhh, I have colleagues who use "lie". 
>>
>
> Lie is a new style package. See 
> http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/upstream/lie/index.html
> What will be removed is just an old spkg file...
>
>
>
>> An other package: coxeter. It was written by a colleague and friend of 
>> mine, Fokko Ducloux, who passed away now 10  years ago. If I remember 
>> well, people from the Sage-Combinat group wanted to work on it. What is 
>> the situation ? 
>>
>> yours 
>> t. 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Dima Pasechnik]

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 1:53:27 PM UTC+1, tdumont wrote:
>
> Le 27/04/2016 12:34, mmarco a écrit : 
> > Several of the maintainers answered me telling that it is OK to remove 
> > those packages. The rest of them either couldn't be contacted or did not 
> > answer at all. So it is safe to delete the packages. 
> > 
> > El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 11:19:29 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió: 
> > 
> > In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think 
> > we should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
> > 
> > If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good 
> > reason to remove it from the list of optional packages. 
> > 
> > El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 9:24:01 (UTC+2), Volker Braun 
> > escribió: 
> > 
> > Since we once again had a thread about the pains of accidentally 
> > installing an old-style optional package, I propose to delete 
> > them except the following instead of opening a trac ticket for 
> > each one once something bad happened. If there is anything else 
> > you want to hit reply... 
> > 
> > See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/ 
> >  >
>  
>
> > 
> > To keep: 
> > 
> > - chomp 
> > - java3d 
> > - phc 
> > - qhull 
> > - kash3 
> > 
>
> Mhhh, I have colleagues who use "lie". 
>

Lie is a new style package. 
See http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/upstream/lie/index.html
What will be removed is just an old spkg file...



> An other package: coxeter. It was written by a colleague and friend of 
> mine, Fokko Ducloux, who passed away now 10  years ago. If I remember 
> well, people from the Sage-Combinat group wanted to work on it. What is 
> the situation ? 
>
> yours 
> t. 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Travis Scrimshaw]

> Mhhh, I have colleagues who use "lie". 
>

It has been converted to a new-style skpg, but is experimental because it 
needs an overhaul on its build system. It is on my todo list, but 
unfortunately not very high. Also I need to learn how to work with 
autotools (not just use the final product). Any help here would be 
appreciated.

>
> An other package: coxeter. It was written by a colleague and friend of 
> mine, Fokko Ducloux, who passed away now 10  years ago. If I remember 
> well, people from the Sage-Combinat group wanted to work on it. What is 
> the situation ? 
>
> That would be me in particular. I've created a github page for it: 
https://github.com/tscrim/coxeter. Again, I haven't had time to really work 
on it. I've started to write a test suite for it (most importantly, doing 
the timings) and cleaning up the code, but more work is needed. Help is 
welcomed.

Best,
Travis

 

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Thierry Dumont]

Le 27/04/2016 12:34, mmarco a écrit :

Several of the maintainers answered me telling that it is OK to remove
those packages. The rest of them either couldn't be contacted or did not
answer at all. So it is safe to delete the packages.

El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 11:19:29 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:

In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think
we should, at least, consult them before removing the packages.

If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good
reason to remove it from the list of optional packages.

El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 9:24:01 (UTC+2), Volker Braun
escribió:

Since we once again had a thread about the pains of accidentally
installing an old-style optional package, I propose to delete
them except the following instead of opening a trac ticket for
each one once something bad happened. If there is anything else
you want to hit reply...

See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/


To keep:

- chomp
- java3d
- phc
- qhull
- kash3



Mhhh, I have colleagues who use "lie".

An other package: coxeter. It was written by a colleague and friend of 
mine, Fokko Ducloux, who passed away now 10  years ago. If I remember 
well, people from the Sage-Combinat group wanted to work on it. What is 
the situation ?


yours
t.

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[mmarco]

Several of the maintainers answered me telling that it is OK to remove 
those packages. The rest of them either couldn't be contacted or did not 
answer at all. So it is safe to delete the packages.

El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 11:19:29 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:
>
> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>
> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to 
> remove it from the list of optional packages.
>
> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 9:24:01 (UTC+2), Volker Braun escribió:
>>
>> Since we once again had a thread about the pains of accidentally 
>> installing an old-style optional package, I propose to delete them except 
>> the following instead of opening a trac ticket for each one once something 
>> bad happened. If there is anything else you want to hit reply...
>>
>> See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/
>>
>> To keep:
>>
>> - chomp
>> - java3d
>> - phc
>> - qhull
>> - kash3
>>
>

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[John H Palmieri]

It looks like this referred to mpi4py, which has already been converted to 
a new-style package.

  John



On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 11:22:04 AM UTC-7, David Roe wrote:
>
> Actually, it looks like this address might be better.
> David
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, David Roe  > wrote:
>
>> I've CCed Soroosh.  I'm not sure which package you were referring to.
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:58 AM, mmarco  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate. 
>>> someone knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani
>>>  or Mitesh Patel? 
>>>
>>>
>>> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:

 Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!


 El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun 
 escribió:
>
> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers 
> ;-)
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:
>>
>> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
>> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason 
>> to remove it from the list of optional packages.
>>
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[David Roe]

Actually, it looks like this address might be better.
David

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, David Roe  wrote:

> I've CCed Soroosh.  I'm not sure which package you were referring to.
> David
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:58 AM, mmarco  wrote:
>
>> I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate.
>> someone knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani
>>  or Mitesh Patel?
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:
>>>
>>> Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!
>>>
>>>
>>> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun
>>> escribió:

 Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)

 On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:
>
> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we
> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages.
> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason
> to remove it from the list of optional packages.
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[David Roe]

I've CCed Soroosh.  I'm not sure which package you were referring to.
David

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 4:58 AM, mmarco  wrote:

> I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate. someone
> knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani
>  or Mitesh Patel?
>
>
> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:
>>
>> Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun
>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:

 In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we
 should, at least, consult them before removing the packages.
 If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason
 to remove it from the list of optional packages.

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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[mmarco]

Ok, so that is a good reason to delete those packages, unless somebody 
steps in as a maintainer.

El jueves, 21 de abril de 2016, 11:07:11 (UTC+2), John Cremona escribió:
>
> On 21 April 2016 at 09:58, mmarco  wrote: 
> > I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate. 
> someone 
> > knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani 
> >  or Mitesh Patel? 
>
> Michael Abshoff was heavily involved in Sage in the early years and so 
> got put as a maintainer of a lot of spkgs when they were first 
> created.  He no longer contributes to Sage so I think his name should 
> be removed from package maintainer lists, possibly except valgrind. 
>
> John 
>
> > 
> > 
> > El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió: 
> >> 
> >> Wow, It was easy to get that promotion! 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun 
> >> escribió: 
> >>> 
> >>> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers 
> ;-) 
> >>> 
> >>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote: 
>  
>  In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
>  should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>  If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason 
> to 
>  remove it from the list of optional packages. 
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Re: [sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[John Cremona]

On 21 April 2016 at 09:58, mmarco  wrote:
> I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate. someone
> knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani
>  or Mitesh Patel?

Michael Abshoff was heavily involved in Sage in the early years and so
got put as a maintainer of a lot of spkgs when they were first
created.  He no longer contributes to Sage so I think his name should
be removed from package maintainer lists, possibly except valgrind.

John

>
>
> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:
>>
>> Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!
>>
>>
>> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun
>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:

 In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we
 should, at least, consult them before removing the packages.
 If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to
 remove it from the list of optional packages.

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Simon King]

Hi Volker,

On 2016-04-20, Volker Braun  wrote:
> Since we once again had a thread about the pains of accidentally installing 
> an old-style optional package, I propose to delete them except the 
> following instead of opening a trac ticket for each one once something bad 
> happened. If there is anything else you want to hit reply...

If I understand correctly, I have to point potential users to
the server in Jena if they want to download and install my group
cohomology spkg, and installing the downloaded old style spkg would
still work, right? I am in the process of turning it into a new style
package, at the same time rebasing it on top of a more recent version
of third party code that has thoroughly changed the API --- which sucks.

So, currently, the old style package is the only option.

Best regards,
Simon

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[mmarco]

I have emailed the maintainers whose email address I could locate. someone 
knows how can I contact Michael Abshoff, Soroosh Yazdani
 or Mitesh Patel? 


El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 19:04:09 (UTC+2), mmarco escribió:
>
> Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!
>
>
> El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun escribió:
>>
>> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:
>>>
>>> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
>>> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>>> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to 
>>> remove it from the list of optional packages.
>>>
>>>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[John H Palmieri]

Well, there is the list at http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/19220, but I 
don't think that's what you mean. It would be a starting point for packages 
which can be safely deleted from the server.

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Travis Scrimshaw]

 

> See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/
>
> IIRC, there is a more up to date list of packages, including which have 
been made into new-style, moved to experimental, ready-to-be-removed, and 
undecided. This would be more useful information IMO.

Best,
Travis

 

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[mmarco]

Wow, It was easy to get that promotion!


El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 18:18:00 (UTC+2), Volker Braun escribió:
>
> Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)
>
> On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:
>>
>> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
>> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
>> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to 
>> remove it from the list of optional packages.
>>
>>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[Volker Braun]

Congratulations, you are now in charge of contacting the maintainers ;-)

On Wednesday, April 20, 2016 at 11:19:29 AM UTC+2, mmarco wrote:
>
> In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
> should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 
> If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to 
> remove it from the list of optional packages.
>
>

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[sage-devel] Re: Delete old optional packages

[mmarco]

In theory, each od these packages should have a mantainer. I think we 
should, at least, consult them before removing the packages. 

If a package has no mantainer at all... that is already a good reason to 
remove it from the list of optional packages.

El miércoles, 20 de abril de 2016, 9:24:01 (UTC+2), Volker Braun escribió:
>
> Since we once again had a thread about the pains of accidentally 
> installing an old-style optional package, I propose to delete them except 
> the following instead of opening a trac ticket for each one once something 
> bad happened. If there is anything else you want to hit reply...
>
> See the list here: http://files.sagemath.org/spkg/optional/
>
> To keep:
>
> - chomp
> - java3d
> - phc
> - qhull
> - kash3
>

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