[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Bill Page wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:06 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> Can you try version 0.3.6? >> >> sage -i >> http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.6.spkg >> > > Much better! I have not been able to re-create the edit problem I > reported earlier after about an hour of trying. However I did notice > (perhaps) a couple of other very difficult to reproduce things. > > At least two or three times I found myself in a situation where Sage > seemed not to know the value of a previously computed variable. E.g. > After running action Evaluate All, I choose some expresson inside the > worksheet and expected to make a small change to a constant and then > re-evaluate it by hitting control-shift. The result was "NameError: > name 'A' is not defined". I repeated the Evaluate All and this time my > new expression was evaluated - no problem... I have tried now for the > last 1/2 hour but this did not re-occur. I was working on several > different worksheets but only one at a time during this test. So far I > have not been able to determine if this was in any way dependent on > the specific contents of the worksheets. > > Another thing that seems to be more reproducible: I can be entering > new expressions at the end of a long worksheet and evaluating them > one-by-one. Then suddenly and unexpectedly I find myself at the top of > the worksheet. This happened randomly maybe 1 time out of 10. > > I suppose that this just shows how difficult it is to really test user > interface software. I suspect both of the problems you note above may not be new. Anyway, many thanks for your bug reports though! > Anyway, as I said the overall experience is much better, more > reliable. I would say that it is definitely ready for beta testing. Excellent. William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
> After running action Evaluate All, I choose some expression inside the > worksheet and expected to make a small change to a constant and then > re-evaluate it by hitting control-shift. The result was "NameError: > name 'A' is not defined". Of course I meant to write: "by hitting Shift-Enter" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:06 PM, William Stein wrote: > > Can you try version 0.3.6? > > sage -i > http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.6.spkg > Much better! I have not been able to re-create the edit problem I reported earlier after about an hour of trying. However I did notice (perhaps) a couple of other very difficult to reproduce things. At least two or three times I found myself in a situation where Sage seemed not to know the value of a previously computed variable. E.g. After running action Evaluate All, I choose some expresson inside the worksheet and expected to make a small change to a constant and then re-evaluate it by hitting control-shift. The result was "NameError: name 'A' is not defined". I repeated the Evaluate All and this time my new expression was evaluated - no problem... I have tried now for the last 1/2 hour but this did not re-occur. I was working on several different worksheets but only one at a time during this test. So far I have not been able to determine if this was in any way dependent on the specific contents of the worksheets. Another thing that seems to be more reproducible: I can be entering new expressions at the end of a long worksheet and evaluating them one-by-one. Then suddenly and unexpectedly I find myself at the top of the worksheet. This happened randomly maybe 1 time out of 10. I suppose that this just shows how difficult it is to really test user interface software. Anyway, as I said the overall experience is much better, more reliable. I would say that it is definitely ready for beta testing. Regards, Bill Page. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > William, > > After upgrading to 'sagenb-0.3.5.spkg' I noticed a peculiar behavior. > If I pick an old worksheet and do 'Evaluate All' everthing appears to > work fine but sometimes (not entirely reproducible yet) I am no longer > able to delete cells inside the worksheet. Also if I change the > contents of a cell, clicking Evaluate (or shift-Enter) does not > replace the contents. But strangely everything still seems to work at > the bottom of the worksheet. Restart Worksheet and Evaluate All does > not correct the problem, but if I Save & Quit and then re-open the > worksheet it is then ok. > > Have you seen anything like this? Would you like me to try harder to > produce a fully reproducible example? Can you try version 0.3.6? sage -i http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.6.spkg William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Bill Page wrote: > > William, > > After upgrading to 'sagenb-0.3.5.spkg' I noticed a peculiar behavior. > If I pick an old worksheet and do 'Evaluate All' everthing appears to > work fine but sometimes (not entirely reproducible yet) I am no longer > able to delete cells inside the worksheet. Also if I change the > contents of a cell, clicking Evaluate (or shift-Enter) does not > replace the contents. But strangely everything still seems to work at > the bottom of the worksheet. Restart Worksheet and Evaluate All does > not correct the problem, but if I Save & Quit and then re-open the > worksheet it is then ok. > > Have you seen anything like this? Yes, I think I have. >Would you like me to try harder to > produce a fully reproducible example? What happens if you refresh the page? I'm guessing this is an issue with the auto-synchronization code. Thanks for reporting it. William > > Regards, > Bill Page. > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> I expect you *will* find glitches, since this code hasn't been thoroughly >> tested, >> so please report them, no matter how small. Thanks! >> > > > > -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
William, After upgrading to 'sagenb-0.3.5.spkg' I noticed a peculiar behavior. If I pick an old worksheet and do 'Evaluate All' everthing appears to work fine but sometimes (not entirely reproducible yet) I am no longer able to delete cells inside the worksheet. Also if I change the contents of a cell, clicking Evaluate (or shift-Enter) does not replace the contents. But strangely everything still seems to work at the bottom of the worksheet. Restart Worksheet and Evaluate All does not correct the problem, but if I Save & Quit and then re-open the worksheet it is then ok. Have you seen anything like this? Would you like me to try harder to produce a fully reproducible example? Regards, Bill Page. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:03 PM, William Stein wrote: > > I expect you *will* find glitches, since this code hasn't been thoroughly > tested, > so please report them, no matter how small. Thanks! > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: > >> >> If you want to very easily try this new code (and everything else >> we've done improving the new notebook in the last few days), just do >> this: >> >> sage -i http://wstein.org/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.5.spkg >> > Everything smooth, including a feature I requested about a month ago. > Thanks a lot for your awesome support. > Will tell you if I find any glitches. Please, please do. I expect you *will* find glitches, since this code hasn't been thoroughly tested, so please report them, no matter how small. Thanks! William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
> > If you want to very easily try this new code (and everything else > we've done improving the new notebook in the last few days), just do > this: > > sage -i http://wstein.org/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.5.spkg > Everything smooth, including a feature I requested about a month ago. Thanks a lot for your awesome support. Will tell you if I find any glitches. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
I have to agree on that. A "double point" upgrade should mainly be bug fixes, I think. It would have made more sense to make this 4.2. -Marshall On Oct 20, 11:25 am, Nick Alexander wrote: > I am not passionate about this issue, but: why was such a large made > from 4.1.1 -> 4.1.2? Not even a "point" upgrade (4.1 -> 4.2), but a > "double point" upgrade destroys backwards compatibility? I question > this decision. > > Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:30 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: > > Oh, I see in your patch you've taken care of the title. > If you want to very easily try this new code (and everything else we've done improving the new notebook in the last few days), just do this: sage -i http://wstein.org/home/wstein/patches/sagenb/sagenb-0.3.5.spkg If that causes problems, you can switch back with sage f sagenb-0.3.spkg -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
Oh, I see in your patch you've taken care of the title. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
The page title is also a bit different: The old sage 4.1 format started with: -- page title system:sage content... -- while the new one takes the title from somewhere else and starts directly with content. Then when a sage 4.1.2 worksheet.html is renamed into worksheet.txt and opened in sage<=4.1.1, the first line becomes the title and disappears from the content. How would the new format in sage 4.2 be? Which would be the compatibility diagram? Do you think the following is possible?: sage <=4.1.1: reads 4.2 but not 4.1.2 sage 4.1.2: reads <=4.1.1 and 4.2 sage 4.2: reads <=4.1.1 and 4.1.2 We're performing an installation right now for 40 computers and that information would be very interesting. Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:10 AM, William Stein wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: >> >> I've made the following experiment: >> * uncompress a sws file from sage 4.1.2 >> * rename worksheet.html into worksheet.txt >> * compress it again >> * open with sage 4.1 >> >> It basically worked. Of course the new pickle file is not used, but the >> core of the page remains. The output may be lost but we can "evaluate >> all cells". >> >> Any thoughts? > > The above makes sense. It sounds like I should change the sws format > in the soon to be released sage-4.2 so that it is backwards > compatible. I'll likely > do that right now. Yes, this worked easily. There is now a patch posted here: http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/7261 -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: > > I've made the following experiment: > * uncompress a sws file from sage 4.1.2 > * rename worksheet.html into worksheet.txt > * compress it again > * open with sage 4.1 > > It basically worked. Of course the new pickle file is not used, but the > core of the page remains. The output may be lost but we can "evaluate > all cells". > > Any thoughts? The above makes sense. It sounds like I should change the sws format in the soon to be released sage-4.2 so that it is backwards compatible. I'll likely do that right now. > > > > -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
I've made the following experiment: * uncompress a sws file from sage 4.1.2 * rename worksheet.html into worksheet.txt * compress it again * open with sage 4.1 It basically worked. Of course the new pickle file is not used, but the core of the page remains. The output may be lost but we can "evaluate all cells". Any thoughts? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On 20-Oct-09, at 9:59 AM, Robert Bradshaw wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: > >> The new sage version 4.1.2 introduces a new file format that is >> incompatible with the previous one. If I use "download fo a file", >> that >> file can't be opened with sage 4.1.1 (viceversa works fine). Is there >> any way to convert from the new to the old format? >> >> I expect a wave of problems as students install the new versions >> downloaded from the web and try to use the files they modified at >> home >> in our labs. We are unable at this point of upgrading all our >> installations and, anyway, this would leave behind all the students >> with >> an earlier version. > > We make an effort to maintain backwards compatibility across versions > of Sage, but this last update was a fairly large change (for the > better) in the notebook. I am not passionate about this issue, but: why was such a large made from 4.1.1 -> 4.1.2? Not even a "point" upgrade (4.1 -> 4.2), but a "double point" upgrade destroys backwards compatibility? I question this decision. Nick --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-devel] Re: backwards compatibility of sage 4.1.2 format
On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Pablo Angulo wrote: > The new sage version 4.1.2 introduces a new file format that is > incompatible with the previous one. If I use "download fo a file", > that > file can't be opened with sage 4.1.1 (viceversa works fine). Is there > any way to convert from the new to the old format? > > I expect a wave of problems as students install the new versions > downloaded from the web and try to use the files they modified at home > in our labs. We are unable at this point of upgrading all our > installations and, anyway, this would leave behind all the students > with > an earlier version. We make an effort to maintain backwards compatibility across versions of Sage, but this last update was a fairly large change (for the better) in the notebook. You can click on the "edit" button and copy the raw text format of the worksheet which will be compatible. - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
