Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
Le Ven 25 mai 2012 23:24, Ivan Andrus a écrit : > Dear all sage and emacs (or not) users, > > > Since I've been working on sage-mode a bit recently I thought I would > look at trac and try to fix any sage-mode related bugs there. I found > #2666 which wants to make sage-mode a standard package. > > > If people want this then I'd like to get it done. But if not then I'd > like to close the ticket. Personally, I'm not sure it should be standard > since people who wish to use it still have to add something to their > .emacs, and hence they still need to know about it and take some action. > However, I'm open to being persuaded. The spkg is 272K. > > > [X] Make it standard at some point in the "near" future. > [ ] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. > [ ] Don't make it standard now, but don't close the ticket. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > > On May 25, 2012, at 16:07 , William Stein wrote: > >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: >>> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: >>> [X] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. Include as optional package. >> >> I'm curious -- why are people against sage-mode being a standard package? > > For me, it's not about "sage-mode": it's got more to do with the number of > moving parts. Fewer is better, all things equal, and we ought to put things > into Sage if there are really good reasons. > > If it's standard, tests are needed. > > Also, emacs, as delivered on a given platform may not change much, but a > number of people use GUI versions of the app, which are separate from the > regular distributions (Mac OS X, for example). Version change for those apps > is unpredictable, and based on the user. > > Is emacs even a standard part of Linux distributions? > > Finally, I think most emacs users would have little problem installing an > optional package, while most non emacs users aren't interested :-} That's a > rash generalization, but it resonates... > > One guy's opinion... > > Justin > I agree with Justin; well put. -- Benjamin Jones -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On May 25, 2012, at 16:07 , William Stein wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: >> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: >> >>> [X] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. Include as optional >>> package. > > I'm curious -- why are people against sage-mode being a standard package? For me, it's not about "sage-mode": it's got more to do with the number of moving parts. Fewer is better, all things equal, and we ought to put things into Sage if there are really good reasons. If it's standard, tests are needed. Also, emacs, as delivered on a given platform may not change much, but a number of people use GUI versions of the app, which are separate from the regular distributions (Mac OS X, for example). Version change for those apps is unpredictable, and based on the user. Is emacs even a standard part of Linux distributions? Finally, I think most emacs users would have little problem installing an optional package, while most non emacs users aren't interested :-} That's a rash generalization, but it resonates... One guy's opinion... Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon-At-Large Director Institute for the Enhancement of the Director's Income "Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals. Well, except the weasel." - Homer J Simpson -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Justin C. Walker wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > >> [X] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. Include as optional >> package. I'm curious -- why are people against sage-mode being a standard package? -- William -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > [X] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. Include as optional package. Justin -- Justin C. Walker, Curmudgeon at Large Institute for the Absorption of Federal Funds --- If it weren't for carbon-14, I wouldn't date at all. --- -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > Dear all sage and emacs (or not) users, > > Since I've been working on sage-mode a bit recently I thought I would look at > trac and try to fix any sage-mode related bugs there. I found #2666 which > wants to make sage-mode a standard package. > > If people want this then I'd like to get it done. But if not then I'd like > to close the ticket. Personally, I'm not sure it should be standard since > people who wish to use it still have to add something to their .emacs, and > hence they still need to know about it and take some action. However, I'm > open to being persuaded. The spkg is 272K. > > [ ] Make it standard at some point in the "near" future. > [ ] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. > [ ] Don't make it standard now, but don't close the ticket. > > -Ivan [x] I thought it was already standard, and am surprised to hear that it isn't. > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel > URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
[X ] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. ** Include it as an > optional package.** > +1 David -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Poll: Making sage-mode a standard package
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: > Dear all sage and emacs (or not) users, > > Since I've been working on sage-mode a bit recently I thought I would look at > trac and try to fix any sage-mode related bugs there. I found #2666 which > wants to make sage-mode a standard package. > > If people want this then I'd like to get it done. But if not then I'd like > to close the ticket. Personally, I'm not sure it should be standard since > people who wish to use it still have to add something to their .emacs, and > hence they still need to know about it and take some action. However, I'm > open to being persuaded. The spkg is 272K. > > [ ] Make it standard at some point in the "near" future. > [ ] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. > [ ] Don't make it standard now, but don't close the ticket. > > -Ivan > I've been using the sage-mode spkg you made and I like it, but I'd say this should be an optional package. So I vote: [X ] Don't make it standard and close the ticket. ** Include it as an optional package.** -- Benjamin Jones -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
