Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-09 Thread Nathann Cohen
> I understand that "sage -docbuild reference html" is not the way to go
> anymore?

It is the way to go if you only want to build the reference manual,
but perhaps in your case some reference was defined in another manual?

I use "sage -docbuild reference/graphs html" all the time when I edit
some specific file. It is faster, as it only checks what you modified,
and not everything in Sage. But whatever you think, whatever you
believe, whatever you know is true: don't trust sphinx. When something
goes wrong, start from scratch :-P

Nathann

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
Hello,

> If I understand correctly, this version (and perhaps some previous ones)
> have fixed the optional business.

.. fixed the optional business?

> Though
>
> $ sage --optional
>
> still took a LONG time to do its thing... maybe there should be a progress
> indicator while it seeks out mirrors.

If I make no mistake there is a caching mechanism for that, and
subsequent calls are shorter.

> Anyway, my question is the following.
>
> $ ./sage --optional
> [package] .. [latest version] ([installed
> version])
>
> bliss... not found (not installed)
>
> 

No, it means that it is a new-style spkg, and that the mirror's list
does not include it. Which I think should be fixed, but I don't have
access to those lists.

> cbc. 2.8.1.p0 (2.9.4)
>
> 

Well, the code supposes that the mirror's list is up to date, and...
Well, it is not. The one which is installed is 2.9.4, the latest
version (according to the server is 2.8.1.p0). Same here, I do not
have access to update it.

> Anyway, maybe this is just me asking questions before I've had some tea, but
> the labeling just doesn't seem right.  I found three or four like this,
> where the installed version was ahead of the 'latest' version.  Hope this is
> already resolved!  Thanks.

It is not. The servers needs to be updated: currently it lists some
packages twice (once as a .spkg, once as a new-style package), and
sometimes the two do not even have the same name. Some packages have
been imply removed but still appear in the lists. Those things should
be moved to the "archive/" directory.

You may want to read this thread:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/u9lgoYKeW8k/discussion

Nathann

Nathann

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread John Cremona
Another wrong output is

database_cremona_ellcurve... 20121022 (20140829)

where the version actually installed is 20150519 !

John

On 12 June 2015 at 14:28, Nathann Cohen  wrote:
> Hello,
>
>> If I understand correctly, this version (and perhaps some previous ones)
>> have fixed the optional business.
>
> .. fixed the optional business?
>
>> Though
>>
>> $ sage --optional
>>
>> still took a LONG time to do its thing... maybe there should be a progress
>> indicator while it seeks out mirrors.
>
> If I make no mistake there is a caching mechanism for that, and
> subsequent calls are shorter.
>
>> Anyway, my question is the following.
>>
>> $ ./sage --optional
>> [package] .. [latest version] ([installed
>> version])
>>
>> bliss... not found (not installed)
>>
>> 
>
> No, it means that it is a new-style spkg, and that the mirror's list
> does not include it. Which I think should be fixed, but I don't have
> access to those lists.
>
>> cbc. 2.8.1.p0 (2.9.4)
>>
>> 
>
> Well, the code supposes that the mirror's list is up to date, and...
> Well, it is not. The one which is installed is 2.9.4, the latest
> version (according to the server is 2.8.1.p0). Same here, I do not
> have access to update it.
>
>> Anyway, maybe this is just me asking questions before I've had some tea, but
>> the labeling just doesn't seem right.  I found three or four like this,
>> where the installed version was ahead of the 'latest' version.  Hope this is
>> already resolved!  Thanks.
>
> It is not. The servers needs to be updated: currently it lists some
> packages twice (once as a .spkg, once as a new-style package), and
> sometimes the two do not even have the same name. Some packages have
> been imply removed but still appear in the lists. Those things should
> be moved to the "archive/" directory.
>
> You may want to read this thread:
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/sage-devel/u9lgoYKeW8k/discussion
>
> Nathann
>
> Nathann
>
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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
> Another wrong output is
>
> database_cremona_ellcurve... 20121022 (20140829)
>
> where the version actually installed is 20150519 !

That's surprising. Could you confuse "version installed" with "the
latest version that can be installed"?

Note that when you update your copy of Sage from develop the "latest
version" (i.e. the file
SAGE_ROOT/build/pkgs/database_cremona_ellcurve/package-version.txt) is
updated, but that does not automatically re-install the package in its
latest version (fixed in #18647). Perhaps you simply need to update
it, by running "sage -f database_cremona_ellcurve" ?

Nathann

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread Jeroen Demeyer

On 2015-06-12 15:19, kcrisman wrote:

If I understand correctly, this version (and perhaps some previous ones)
have fixed the optional business.

Not yet, wait for Sage 6.8.beta4

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread John Cremona
On 12 June 2015 at 14:40, Nathann Cohen  wrote:
>> Another wrong output is
>>
>> database_cremona_ellcurve... 20121022 (20140829)
>>
>> where the version actually installed is 20150519 !
>
> That's surprising. Could you confuse "version installed" with "the
> latest version that can be installed"?

No, that version really is installed.  I know that because
(1)  $ cat build/pkgs/database_cremona_ellcurve/package-version.txt
20150519

and (2) when I run Sage I see the extra data which was only introduced
in this last update:

sage: CremonaDatabase().largest_conductor()
35

(previous version had numbers < 35).

John


>
> Note that when you update your copy of Sage from develop the "latest
> version" (i.e. the file
> SAGE_ROOT/build/pkgs/database_cremona_ellcurve/package-version.txt) is
> updated, but that does not automatically re-install the package in its
> latest version (fixed in #18647). Perhaps you simply need to update
> it, by running "sage -f database_cremona_ellcurve" ?
>
> Nathann
>
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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread Nathann Cohen
> No, that version really is installed.  I know that because
> (1)  $ cat build/pkgs/database_cremona_ellcurve/package-version.txt
> 20150519

I was trying to convince you that this, in particular, does *not* mean
that you have the latest version installed on your computer.

> and (2) when I run Sage I see the extra data which was only introduced
> in this last update:

Now that is different.

Could you tell me the output of the following command?

ls SAGE_ROOT/local/var/lib/sage/installed/database_cremona_ellcurve*

Nathann

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-12 Thread John Cremona
On 12 June 2015 at 17:24, Nathann Cohen  wrote:
>> No, that version really is installed.  I know that because
>> (1)  $ cat build/pkgs/database_cremona_ellcurve/package-version.txt
>> 20150519
>
> I was trying to convince you that this, in particular, does *not* mean
> that you have the latest version installed on your computer.

I think I understand that.  For example Imight have switched to a
branch with that file changed but not run "make".

>
>> and (2) when I run Sage I see the extra data which was only introduced
>> in this last update:
>
> Now that is different.
>
> Could you tell me the output of the following command?
>
> ls SAGE_ROOT/local/var/lib/sage/installed/database_cremona_ellcurve*
>

It gives (with . == SAGE_ROOT)

./local/var/lib/sage/installed/database_cremona_ellcurve-20140829

I think that installed the new package before upgrading to the current
beta which made these changes to the package management.

John

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Re: [sage-release] Re: Sage 6.8.beta3 released

2015-06-15 Thread kcrisman

>
> > If I understand correctly, this version (and perhaps some previous ones) 
> > have fixed the optional business. 
> Not yet, wait for Sage 6.8.beta4 
>

Gotcha.

Nathann, thanks for that clarification about mirrors, I wasn't aware of 
that discrepancy, which makes sense. 

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