[sage-support] Re: Basic Stats deprecated?

2022-02-26 Thread Matthias Koeppe
On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:52:19 AM UTC-8 mat...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will Calculus be deprecated too?
>

See https://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/32260 for the next deprecation 
proposal.

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Re: [sage-support] Re: Basic Stats deprecated?

2022-02-26 Thread Henri Girard

Sorry : Effectively I thaught I send it to the sage-devel sage-support

Your welcome

Henri

Le 26/02/2022 à 16:57, William Stein a écrit :

Thank you.  However, did you mean to send this to sage-devel ? -- you
just sent it to me personally.


On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 12:19 AM Henri Girard  wrote:

Hi,

I use sage from the begining, I learned mathematic with it,what I found
wonderfull is one doesn't need any libs (numpy, scipy...etc), 2 tweeks
ago I found wolfram engine and after some difficulties I can use it
inside jupyter (not yet sage), though I prefer sage because I can do lot
of things (even not mathematic, for example yin yang taiji I called it
math&physic against metaphysic, geometry plane I could use geogebra but
doing it Iearned many things radian,degree ), and I don't speak about
the help by email (though sometimes my stupid question, because I am not
a mathematician) sage is becoming like said one on web : the swiss knife !

I call sage dao de qin I translate like sage path (voie sage), because
one can do everything with it !

Using wolfram engine, I noticed when one knows sage it becomes easier.
But I my opinion mathematica is made for users not for thinkers, not for
true researchers because everything is offered on a palette ! lol

I like sage because I can compile it, I tried all these years to buy a
better computer (every 5 years) to not spend days compiling. At the
moment my Rizen 16 cores with 16Go RAM, that's good.

Sorry for this email written in french/english but I can tell you carry
on this wonderfull soft !

Best regards

Henri

Le 26/02/2022 à 05:31, William Stein a écrit :

In fairness, "Mission: Creating a viable free open source alternative
to Magma, Maple, Mathematica and Matlab."

What do Maple and Mathematica do regarding having a median top level command?

Also, if you want to argue that users should explicitly import
everything... that's an interesting an valuable challenge to support
and your modularization
work Matthias is of course critical to that.  However, it doesn't at
all preclude the default "sage" environment still being a viable
alternative to Maple and Mathematica.

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 12:51 PM Matthias Koeppe
 wrote:

If you consider numpy an obscure library, it may be that your syllabus needs 
updating


On Friday, February 25, 2022 at 10:52:19 AM UTC-8 mat...@gmail.com wrote:

Mean, median and mode are now deprecated. E.g.:


median([1,2,3])

2 :1: DeprecationWarning: sage.stats.basic_stats.median is deprecated; use 
numpy.median or numpy.nanmedian instead See https://trac.sagemath.org/29662 for 
details.

But shouldn't these basic functions have some default functionality? Is the 
intention really to make Sage users call basic functions from libraries. 
Students (mostly) don't know what numpy is and makes using mean, median and 
mode weirdly obscure - like calling combinatorics functions in Mathematica. For 
me (using Sage for classroom teaching) one attraction of Sage is that most 
basic things that a student would use have names that might be in their 
textbooks...

Will Calculus be deprecated too?

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