[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
meitnik a écrit : Hi all, I am legally blind, legally deaf, some limited finger mobility, and some learning disabilities too (all from Rubella). I enjoy mathematics and programming but due to my limited income Mathematica is just out of my reach even for the Home edition. A friend told me about SAGE. Cool! Andrew --~--~-~--~-- Andrew (and the others), There is a group of people in my University who would like to integrate in Sage the possibility to produce output in braille maths. It seems that it would be possible to use the braille transcriptor NAT (see: http://natbraille.free.fr or http://liris.cnrs.fr/nat) The main author is Bruno Mascret (he will receive this e-mail, too). I try to translate what B. Mascret wrote to me: This would give to braille user students at last the possibility to use a tool allowing them to be autonomous in their work. If there are people interested, please contact B. Mascret (bmasc...@free.fr) or me. Yours Thierry. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- begin:vcard fn:Thierry Dumont n:Dumont;Thierry org;quoted-printable;quoted-printable:Universit=C3=A9 Lyon 1 CNRS.;Institut Camille Jordan -- Math=C3=A9matiques / Mathematics. adr:;;43 Bd du 11 Novembre.;Villeurbanne;;69621;France email;internet:tdum...@math.univ-lyon1.fr title;quoted-printable:Ing=C3=A9nieur de Recherche / Research Engineer. tel;work:04 72 44 85 23. tel;fax:04 72 44 80 53 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://math.univ-lyon1.fr/~tdumont version:2.1 end:vcard
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
nope that code snippet failed to work too in a worksheet. see my comment in above posting of mine. I am surprised its this hard to suck out all the keywords/functions with their docstring stuff. How was the PDF produced? Cant that code be shared so I can hack it to get just what I need. On Mar 21, 12:31 am, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: There might be a better way of doing this, but one way to get the docstrings that show up with ? is: q = globals().keys() q.sort() docstrings = [eval(x).__doc__ for x in q] It really depends on what exactly you want to do though - it may be more helpful to use a dictionary where the keys are the keys in globals () and the values are the docstrings. This would be sage: all_docs = [(name, f.__doc__) for name, f in globals().items()] On Mar 20, 8:17 pm, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, very helpful. Thank you! Ok I get 1555. I can list them if you want. Whats missing then?? -- | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information. | -- sage: len(globals().keys()) 1611 I guess I had been using that session for a while. Next, how do I get the '?' info for each function in a loop in a worksheet? I guess I need a py script to scrap out the docstrings from each modules (so I can sort/arrange the functions correctly)? This really is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what is available--most functionality is methods on objects (otherwise the namespace would be cluttered with tens of thousands of functions. - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
Nope, worksheet barfed trying this. I suspect the huge text info was just too much. Cant this be rerouted to a text file while its loops through. If so, how? On Mar 21, 12:21 am, Marshall Hampton hampto...@gmail.com wrote: There might be a better way of doing this, but one way to get the docstrings that show up with ? is: q = globals().keys() q.sort() docstrings = [eval(x).__doc__ for x in q] It really depends on what exactly you want to do though - it may be more helpful to use a dictionary where the keys are the keys in globals () and the values are the docstrings. Hope that helps, M. Hampton On Mar 20, 8:17 pm, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, very helpful. Thank you! Ok I get 1555. I can list them if you want. Whats missing then?? Next, how do I get the '?' info for each function in a loop in a worksheet? I guess I need a py script to scrap out the docstrings from each modules (so I can sort/arrange the functions correctly)? Again, thank you. On Mar 20, 8:18 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:43 PM, meitnik wrote: Another quick option: is there a way to get a listing of all the commands/functions/keywords used in SAGE (the top level not at the source code level)? Can that listing be done within context of topical arrangement?? Inside SAGE in a cell or exported as a text file? Thanks. Try sage: globals().keys() This will give a long list of everything defined at the top level. sage: [name for name, func in globals().items() if callable(func)] Will give all the functions. Note sage: len(globals().keys()) # 3.4 1712 - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
I hate to ask the obvious. Why was the gui front end not created in Python in the first place or replaced by a Py make over?? Surely, Someone with advanced Javascript skills can come up with something better? I dont mean to step on toes but Gui is often everything to me to use software well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:56 AM, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to ask the obvious. Why was the gui front end not created in Python in the first place or replaced by a Py make over?? Despite being obvious, I don't understand the question. The GUI front end is written in Python and Javascript, which is the canonical choice for writing an AJAX interface to a Python program. Surely, Someone with advanced Javascript skills can come up with something better? I dont mean to step on toes but Gui is often everything to me to use software well. I'm sorry that you find the Sage GUI to not be optimal. Many thanks for your feedback. -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for my confusion and misunderstanding. Thought the whole Gui was all in Javascript. The client part, which runs in the web browser, is written in javascript. The server part is a Python program (a web server). Thanks for explaining. Please, is there a document that explains well how the Gui front end works. No. I really would like to try to get help and add to the gui for my needs. Cool. Is there an RTF version of the Ref guide for starters? I don't think so. Mike is there a way to generate rtf from ReST/Sphinx? Will it be hard for any experienced Javascript/python programmer to help me bolt on a way to point/click input? What precisely do you mean by that? Are you not able to use a keyboard at all or? What do you want to compute? Sometimes we disabled folk need to point out the missing curb cuts. And thanks for hearing me out and putting up with a determined guy. On Mar 21, 1:18 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 7:56 AM, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: I hate to ask the obvious. Why was the gui front end not created in Python in the first place or replaced by a Py make over?? Despite being obvious, I don't understand the question. The GUI front end is written in Python and Javascript, which is the canonical choice for writing an AJAX interface to a Python program. Surely, Someone with advanced Javascript skills can come up with something better? I dont mean to step on toes but Gui is often everything to me to use software well. I'm sorry that you find the Sage GUI to not be optimal. Many thanks for your feedback. -- William -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
On Mar 21, 7:54 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry for my confusion and misunderstanding. Thought the whole Gui was all in Javascript. The client part, which runs in the web browser, is written in javascript. The server part is a Python program (a web server). -- from some of the docs I have skimed over, there is info on the web server but cant find much on the client. My previous question was if had Javascript dev friend look at your code will he make sense of it enough to help me. Is there an RTF version of the Ref guide for starters? I don't think so. Mike is there a way to generate rtf from ReST/Sphinx? -- thank you. I have been trying to convert via TextEdit the PDF but its not going well. I hate to have to OCR some 4k pages. What precisely do you mean by that? Are you not able to use a keyboard at all or? -- I can type well for short bursts but not for long periods and not repeating over and over the same thing; my brain/fingers have great problems with spelling speicalized vocabulary like math. I rather focus on the concepts than fighting with my body just inputing code/math symbols etc. Let give a bit more about my background. Since boyhood, I have always noticed and valued visual patterns and grasped and delighted in abstract relationships well but not expressed well via writing or manually due to my disabilities. But orally I can well at a slow pace. The very sentences I write now took about 30 years of hard work and determination to achieve. However doing written math was often not easy due to rubella. I understood math but did poorly on timed limited exams. During high school, my mathematics teacher worked with great imagination and respect to help me really enjoy math to the point he noticed I used math more as a conceptual tool in my creative life, rather than just making it through the next exam. Eventually, he felt I would make a good math teacher doing some research on the side. But what I didn't know was most of the college profs where unwilling to work my disabilities even though often I tutored my fellow math majors towards better grades. Eventually I dropped the math major. But promised myself someday I would return to math. I heard about personal computers coming on for doing mathematics. Perhaps someone would figure out how to do symbolic math on a PC. During the early 90s I was introduced to Mathematica at work (I was a lead software tester/gui designer) and at last I could enjoy math again due to its gui. But due to personal cost and office politics I was not to have access to Mathematica. One day I will. But the price of Mathematica just became higher and higher well beyond my reach. Focused instead on my graphics design as best I could. But never made enough to buy Mathematica. I gave up. Will I create a new proof or solve a long standing problem? Perhaps not, but I do enjoy the beauty of math and exploring equations. Then 6 days ago a friend told me about SAGE. Hope. Enough of me, You have a great back end of a large collection -- and growing -- of math tools/libraries etc. Perhaps taking some time to make inputting math functions/keyword/symbols into a cell might be a win-win for all. I always believed a computer should do the heavy work and allow me to work smart than hard. If you want I can prototype a new gui that would help me and email it to you. Again, thanks for hearing me out. Andrew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
Another quick option: is there a way to get a listing of all the commands/functions/keywords used in SAGE (the top level not at the source code level)? Can that listing be done within context of topical arrangement?? Inside SAGE in a cell or exported as a text file? Thanks. Andrew --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
nope: No object '' currently defined. Or does this need to be done only via terminal not in a cell? On Mar 20, 4:51 pm, Paul Zimmermann paul.zimmerm...@loria.fr wrote: Another quick option: is there a way to get a listing of all the commands/functions/keywords used in SAGE (the top level not at the source code level)? try: sage: *? enter Hope this helps, Paul Zimmermann --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
Cool, very helpful. Thank you! Ok I get 1555. I can list them if you want. Whats missing then?? Next, how do I get the '?' info for each function in a loop in a worksheet? I guess I need a py script to scrap out the docstrings from each modules (so I can sort/arrange the functions correctly)? Again, thank you. On Mar 20, 8:18 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:43 PM, meitnik wrote: Another quick option: is there a way to get a listing of all the commands/functions/keywords used in SAGE (the top level not at the source code level)? Can that listing be done within context of topical arrangement?? Inside SAGE in a cell or exported as a text file? Thanks. Try sage: globals().keys() This will give a long list of everything defined at the top level. sage: [name for name, func in globals().items() if callable(func)] Will give all the functions. Note sage: len(globals().keys()) # 3.4 1712 - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
There might be a better way of doing this, but one way to get the docstrings that show up with ? is: q = globals().keys() q.sort() docstrings = [eval(x).__doc__ for x in q] It really depends on what exactly you want to do though - it may be more helpful to use a dictionary where the keys are the keys in globals () and the values are the docstrings. Hope that helps, M. Hampton On Mar 20, 8:17 pm, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, very helpful. Thank you! Ok I get 1555. I can list them if you want. Whats missing then?? Next, how do I get the '?' info for each function in a loop in a worksheet? I guess I need a py script to scrap out the docstrings from each modules (so I can sort/arrange the functions correctly)? Again, thank you. On Mar 20, 8:18 pm, Robert Bradshaw rober...@math.washington.edu wrote: On Mar 20, 2009, at 1:43 PM, meitnik wrote: Another quick option: is there a way to get a listing of all the commands/functions/keywords used in SAGE (the top level not at the source code level)? Can that listing be done within context of topical arrangement?? Inside SAGE in a cell or exported as a text file? Thanks. Try sage: globals().keys() This will give a long list of everything defined at the top level. sage: [name for name, func in globals().items() if callable(func)] Will give all the functions. Note sage: len(globals().keys()) # 3.4 1712 - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Disabled person using SAGE
On Mar 20, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: There might be a better way of doing this, but one way to get the docstrings that show up with ? is: q = globals().keys() q.sort() docstrings = [eval(x).__doc__ for x in q] It really depends on what exactly you want to do though - it may be more helpful to use a dictionary where the keys are the keys in globals () and the values are the docstrings. This would be sage: all_docs = [(name, f.__doc__) for name, f in globals().items()] On Mar 20, 8:17 pm, meitnik meit...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, very helpful. Thank you! Ok I get 1555. I can list them if you want. Whats missing then?? -- | Sage Version 3.4, Release Date: 2009-03-11 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| -- sage: len(globals().keys()) 1611 I guess I had been using that session for a while. Next, how do I get the '?' info for each function in a loop in a worksheet? I guess I need a py script to scrap out the docstrings from each modules (so I can sort/arrange the functions correctly)? This really is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what is available--most functionality is methods on objects (otherwise the namespace would be cluttered with tens of thousands of functions. - Robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to sage-support-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://www.sagemath.org -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
