Re: The continuing saga... (enough?)

1999-06-10 Thread Thomas Harte
 How come all we ever talk about these days is copyright issues?

Strictly speaking that is part of the reason for GPL! The coders want
the right to share source again, man. But this isn't the thread for all
that.

 I always thought we were developers - not lawyers. Maybe it's a new trend?
 Once upon a time, when I were a lad, programmers wanted strut their stuff
 to big softwares houses by writing demos. Now, it seems that people, these
 days, still want to strut their stuff to the same big-guns but under a new
 light: arguments over licences...

But it is all so hard nowadays. If I want to show off to a software
house the best I can do is to make a 3d accelerator do all its polygons
at once . . . whereas the best they can do is make it do all its
polygons at once! 3d accelerators (and hyped rubbish like quake) have
made everything so stale now, who has the energy? Mind you - the
flipside is that the way is open for a true genius to blow all the dull
cobwebs away! And that person will not be known as 'Dave Perry' or his
mate Zachs . . .

Personally I think that a lot of the Linux components do really show
off to the large software houses anyway . . . who could have predicted
the sudden appearance of what idiots consider a potential MS beater from
entirely unpaid labour with programs such as GIMP, Lynx and KDE?

If you want to see why I personally will never 'strut my stuff' with
anyone, check out my Chaos update 'Anarchy' for which I will not lower
myself to promoting with a URL here.

Actually, the best non-mainstream coding to have occured recently is
probably the array of games for those Texas calculators once someone
figured out how to break through the GUI and do some real assembly sort
of stuff.

-Thomas


Re: Linux vs. Win32 SimCoupe - must I fight?

1999-06-10 Thread James R Curry
Any response to this statement which in my opinion is almost as
inflamatory as 'James R Curry's brilliantly researched post would
probably only look quite petty anyway. Suffice to say that if we define
getting a life as not commenting on any SimCoupe GPL conversation after
this one then rest assured it has been done.

-Thomas

Oh, sarcasm!  I think you really missed the point of my Brilliantly
researched post.  I am following this debate, actually with interest, but
it just seems so futile to bother adding anything constructive (destructive?)
to it.  Because for every keystroke that is being wasted in arguing over
licenses, we are losing a keystroke that could go into coding something
of benefit to the SAM community.  Now, I really don't see the harm in
distributing a beta to a few SELECT people without the source, if the
source is going to be made available with the official release.  Yeah,
the GPL requires it's release, but there's a difference between working
within the spirit of the GPL and breathing so close down a programmers
neck that he can't get his code TESTED without complaints.

Give it time, stop arguing, and let us all get on with something worthwile.

My original post was neither supporting or opposing any argument, merely
a sarcastic way of expressing my distress at the way no-one in the SAM
community can co-operate over anything.

--
James R Curry - 6 timezones from England and still up at 2am...


RE: Linux vs. Win32 SimCoupe - must I fight?

1999-06-10 Thread Si Owen
Thomas Harte wrote:
 So you can see how it looks, yeah? You'll notice how
 'doesn't want' is also future tense?

Actually it's present tense, but that's beside the point - the point is that
I didn't say it in the first place!  I can understand how it might have
looked, but trying to start a witch-hunt on hear-say isn't such a good idea.

Si



A dumb and ill considered idea

1999-06-10 Thread Gasson
Hello Sam users, I'm one of those people responsible for starting the
recent flame war over SimCoupe, the GPL, etc. Any hoo, I was just
thinking about one of the posts I read, and it gave me an idea...

The biggest problem that the Sam Coupe has is the lack of new software
(right?). Software developers don't want to spend time writing Sam Coupe
programs, because the user base isn't big enough to net them a
reasonable profit. However, there are Sam Coupe emulators for the two
big hardware platforms, the Apple Macintosh and the IBM PC (right?).
Now, why don't Mac and PC users buy Sam software? I can think of two
good reasons -- because those platforms aren't being targeted, and
because it would be a hassle for those users to install the software.

Sooo... all we need is a few extensions to SimCoupe which makes it
transparent to the Mac / PC user. i.e.. the Sam program is installed as
per a normal Mac / PC program, and the only thing the user sees of
SimCoupe is a little logo that pops up on the loading screen.

Imagine this:

==

T'n'T

A game packed with humour :-) , colour @- , sound * , and _above_all_
ACTION!
Loosely based on Bomb Jack. As well as the normal one player game, T'n'T
has gone one better by giving you _TWO_ player action

(...)

$10 -- Available for Mac / PC and Sam.

==

(Damn, how do you get a pound sign in this stupid ANSI character set?)

The Mac / PC user sends away for the program, and receives one
installation disk. They insert the disk, double click the install icon
(or type install or whatever), and hey presto, one game installed.
Behind the scenes, SimCoupe looks for a previous installation of itself,
installs or upgrades accordingly, copies the Sam .dsk file to an
appropriate directory, creates a batch file, etc., etc.

Who would buy this software? Mac or PC owners who previously had a Sam;
Mac or PC owners who have friends with Sams (e.g. the readers of Format
PC); and, with a bit of luck, Mac or PC owners who have friends who have
friends with Sams.

Who would write the software? To begin with, authors don't need to write
new software, they just spend a little time designing a couple of icons,
then convert one or two of their existing program to a .dsk file, copy
it onto a Mac disk and a PC disk (with appropriate versions of
SimCoupe), test them to make sure they work, place an ad in Format PC,
and wait. If this looks promising, then they can begin to invest their
effort in Sam programming again.

How would SimCoupe make it self transparent? Well, the batch file that
runs SimCoupe contains something like simcoupe /autoboot tnt.dsk,
SimCoupe loads, makes tnt.dsk the default disk, and does an automatic
boot up. Then if a reset / reboot ever happens (as Sam programs
sometimes do when exit is selected), SimCoupe returns to the host OS.
(The most obvious technical problem I can think of with this whole idea
is that not all Sam programs have this option.)

Thoughts?

-- 
James Gasson


RE: A dumb and ill considered idea

1999-06-10 Thread Justin Skists
From: James Gasson


[snipped idea]

Thoughts?

Interesting...

Jut.


td0 files

1999-06-10 Thread jadams1

How do i transfer 'tdo' files downloaded from the net unto sam disks?
john adams


RE: td0 files

1999-06-10 Thread Dan Doore
 How do i transfer 'tdo' files downloaded from the net unto sam disks?

You desire the evil Teledisk 2.12 for DOS, search for TELED212.ZIP on your 
favoured FTP search engine such as http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/

Be warned, it's been known to mis-behave on many, many machines.

Dan.

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Re: td0 files

1999-06-10 Thread Chris Pile
-Original Message-
From: Dan Doore [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 How do i transfer 'tdo' files downloaded from the net unto sam disks?

You desire the evil Teledisk 2.12 for DOS, search for TELED212.ZIP on your
favoured FTP search engine such as http://ftpsearch.lycos.com/

Be warned, it's been known to mis-behave on many, many machines.

This program crashes my machine totally.  However, I found that if I turn off my
CPU cache it'll run fine...

So, if you have trouble with Teledisk try turning your CPU cache off before
running
it.  Most PC's allow this, just go to your BIOS set-up options.

Chris.