Re: ORSAM show report
Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot wouldcome up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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... type PRINT PEEK 15 on your Sam? This is the ROM version number, multiplied by 10. For example, my Sam, and Ian's Sam, have versions 3.0 and 3.5 (though I can't remember which way round, and I'm not in a position to check at the moment). The reason I ask is that MNEMOcompress, which was was on Fred 68, calls a few ROM routines which weren't specified in the documentation[1], and therefore might not necessarily have been exactly the same in different ROM revisions. Indeed, I made it print a big notice on the screen when you run it under a ROM version I hadn't had the opportunity to test. This, as it now turns out, includes the ROM in SimCoupe because Allan's Sam has version 3.1 in it. No one has ever written to me about this... Andrew [1] This appeared to be necessary in order to get the BASIC integration to work. -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
RE: ORSAM show report
For the hard of reading among us... erm... huh? Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard BennettSent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:03 AMTo: Sam users groupSubject: Re: ORSAM show report Somehow I was expecting some idiot wouldcome up with this... - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:05:50 + Andrew Collier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... type PRINT PEEK 15 Funny you should mail about this. I recently had a somewhat interesting discussion with Colin and Simon about the various ROMs aout there. AFAIK the recent ROM versions are 3.0, 3.1 and 3.5. The only difference between 3.0 and 3.1 is the copyright message (and the version number of course). So we have: According the the official 3.0 sources: MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY plc 3.1 (as provided in SimCOupe): MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC Now, I suspect that the 3.5 ROM only changes this to: West Coast Computers. Can anyone confirm this? Regards, -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
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Andrew Collier wrote: I made it print a big notice on the screen when you run it under a ROM version I hadn't had the opportunity to test. This, as it now turns out, includes the ROM in SimCoupe because Allan's Sam has version 3.1 in it. Ahh, so that's where version 3.1 came from! I suppose it figures the ROM that has always been supplied with SimCoupe came from Allan's own SAM. After the discussion with Frode (and to ensure an official ROM was being supplied) I changed the version number back to 3.0 and left the PLC as upper-case. It sounds like this would be better for overall compatability too, even though nothing else is different between 3.0 and 3.1. Does anyone have a 3.5 image they can send me? I'd be interested in comparing them, and it'd be worth adding to the SA ROM collection Simon N Goodwin sent me (I thought that was on NVG already but can't see it). Si
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Frode Tenneboe wrote: According the the official 3.0 sources: MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY plc 3.1 (as provided in SimCOupe): MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC The 'Sam Computers Ltd' one's I've checked report 3.0 Simon Owen wrote: Does anyone have a 3.5 image they can send me? The 'West Coast Computers Limited' are 3.5, I thought I had already sent you an image of that? Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now
Re: ORSAM show report
And by the way: I have put my pictures from Orsam to my website. GO TO: www.womoteam.de/SAM/ and choose Norwich Pics 2004. Nice pics - did any of the videos ever surface? I'd like to see Colin's chat about his new hardware in particular. Gavin (currently SAMless and missing it)
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Colin Piggot wrote: The 'West Coast Computers Limited' are 3.5, I thought I had already sent you an image of that? I couldn't find it, but thanks for sending me a replacement. I've done a quick comparison with a 3.0 ROM, and here are the differences: ROM 0: 000F: 1E 23 ; version number 3.0 - 3.5 0F89: D7 00 ; replace the RST 16 that prints the startup é with a NOP ROM 1: 35DD: 20 57 ; - W 35DE: 20 45 ; - E 35DF: 20 53 ; - S 35E0: 4D 54 ; M - T 35E1: 49 20 ; I - 35E2: 4C 43 ; L - C 35E3: 45 4F ; E - O 35E4: 53 41 ; S - A 35E5: 20 53 ; - S 35E6: 47 54 ; G - T 35E7: 4F 20 ; O - 35E8: 52 43 ; R - C 35E9: 44 4F ; D - O 35EA: 4F 4D ; O - M 35EB: 4E 50 ; N - P 35EC: 20 55 ; - U 35EF: 43 52 ; C - R 35F0: 48 53 ; H - S 35F1: 4E 20 ; N - 35F2: 4F 4C ; O - L 35F3: 4C 74 ; L - T 35F4: 4F 64 ; O - D 35F5: 47 2E ; G - . 35F6: 59 20 ; Y - 35F7: 20 7F ; - (c) 35F8: 50 20 ; P - 35F9: 4C 31 ; L - 1 35FA: 43 39 ; C - 9 35FB: 20 39 ; - 9 35FC: 20 34 ; - 4 3600: 20 53 ; - S 3601: 20 41 ; - A 3602: 7F 4D ;(c)- M 3604: 31 42 ; 1 - B 3605: 39 41 ; 9 - A 3606: 39 53 ; 9 - S 3607: 30 49 ; 9 - I 3608: 20 43 ; - C 360A: 53 52 ; S - R 360B: 41 4F ; A - O 360C: 4D 4D ; M - M 360E: 43 33 ; C - 3 360F: 6F 2E ; o - . 3610: 75 35 ; u - 5 3611: F0 A0 ; p - (+80) 3818: EB E3 ; k - c (+80) so Missing disk becomes Missing disc!!
Re: ORSAM show report
On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:00 am, Gavin Smith wrote: did any of the videos ever surface? I'd like to see Colin's chat about his new hardware in particular. I haven't got the tape back yet. I'll let you know when I do. Unfortunately there was so much continuing background noise, I'd be surprised if you can hear a word of it on the video. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
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3818: EB E3 ; k - c (+80) so Missing disk becomes Missing disc!! Ouch! I forgot about the whole cuffufle about the spelling of disk way, way back then...! Disk, short for Diskette I will always use disk myself! At least DIR wasn't changed to CAT, I can remember Bob's argument being You don't DIR a directory, you CAT a directory Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now
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On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:10 am, Simon Owen wrote: I've done a quick comparison with a 3.0 ROM, and here are the differences: 3602: 7F 4D ;(c)- M 3604: 31 42 ; 1 - B 3605: 39 41 ; 9 - A 3606: 39 53 ; 9 - S 3607: 30 49 ; 9 - I 1999? Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
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Andrew Collier wrote: 3607: 30 49 ; 9 - I 1999? Urk, typo - that should indeed be: 0 - I :-) Si
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Quoting Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 3818: EB E3 ; k - c (+80) so Missing disk becomes Missing disc!! Ouch! I forgot about the whole cuffufle about the spelling of disk way, way back then...! Disk, short for Diskette I will always use disk myself! Yeah, I think pretty much everyone was against Bob on that one, but he ploughed on ahead regardless. Completely pointless change I always thought. At least DIR wasn't changed to CAT, I can remember Bob's argument being You don't DIR a directory, you CAT a directory Hadn't heard about that one - was there a discussion about it or something? Gavin
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 09:30:10 - Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frode Tenneboe wrote: According the the official 3.0 sources: MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY plc 3.1 (as provided in SimCOupe): MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC The 'Sam Computers Ltd' one's I've checked report 3.0 Ltd? Do we have a third variant? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
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The 'Sam Computers Ltd' one's I've checked report 3.0 Ltd? Do we have a third variant? I'll check the exact spelling for you, as I couldnt remember what it said on screen except that they were SamCo ROM3's... Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now
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3818: EB E3 ; k - c (+80) so Missing disk becomes Missing disc!! This alone should have alerted us to the fact that Brenchley was behing the whole West Coast fiasco. He was quite passionate about that 'c'!
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I'll check the exact spelling for you, as I couldnt remember what it said on screen except that they were SamCo ROM3's... SAM Computers Limited Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of Sam Revival Magazine Out Now
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:52:21 - Colin Piggot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll check the exact spelling for you, as I couldnt remember what it said on screen except that they were SamCo ROM3's... SAM Computers Limited This is bizarre. Now we have three 3.0 wariants? MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY plc (original source) MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC (Simon's) SAM Computers Limited (Colin's) -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
RE: ORSAM show report
Then why exactly did you send it, if not to reflect some glory on yourself? Would you rather we thought you did it to belittle Wolfgang and his efforts? Bob Brenchley once described me as a "stupid demo coder" and it merely made him look small (no mean feat...). You can call me "some idiot" if you like but in the same way it only serves to detract from your argument. What you wrote (originally) left a sour taste in the mouth, which is a real shame because I'm sure you put Wolfgang up with no ulterior motive. My email was intended as a gentle nudge to point out that what you wrote seemed a little petty, I'm sorry that you didn't see it that way, perhaps a liberal sprinkling of smileys would have been useful? Geoff From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 November 2004 18:03To: Sam users groupSubject: Re: ORSAM show report Somehow I was expecting some idiot wouldcome up with this... - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: ORSAM show report
"Theatrical drama" seems to be the right word for this all. Be sure: I never did anything wrong and I know Mr. Bennett for years as a honest and friendly person. I suppose the "idiot" goes to Mr. Winkless, not to me This here reminds me at Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide. I wonder what will come next? Wolfgang Frans van Egmond wrote: Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot wouldcome up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the hard of reading among us... erm... huh? Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes? - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Dear moderator... I haven't posted to sam-users for a while. I did so earlier today, but it hasn't come through. Majordomo doesn't seem to have bounced the message either. The Powers That Be have changed my envelope-from address, but the From: remains the same. That shouldn't matter, should it? Or did I just miss it? imc
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Mine 30 its a version 3.o rom with (harddisk) auto boot code :-) From: Frode Tenneboe [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is bizarre. Now we have three 3.0 wariants? Add my three (i think) autoboot roms and two harddisk boot roms to that list. I think we're not that for away from requirering a crc32 or MD5 hash to tell which is which. Edwin
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On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:36:00AM -, Colin Piggot wrote: At least DIR wasn't changed to CAT, I can remember Bob's argument being You don't DIR a directory, you CAT a directory Hadn't heard about that one - was there a discussion about it or something? I think it was either a response to a letter in Format, or it may have been around 1996 when Bob was on the mailing list... I can't quite remember. Extracted from Simon Cooke on 24 Oct 1994: == I had a long chat to Bob at the show, and here's what the hard drive is going to be like: [big snip] Oh, and he wants to change how the dos works -- apparently putting the device in the filename is a no-no, so he's putting down these standards: CAT instead of DIR must be used (although you can do it the other way, in programs it will be changed back) Because you CAT a directory, you don't DIR a directory LOAD d1filename instead of LOAD D1:filename (although, again, you should be able to use the other, but it's not preferred) the device shouldn't be part of the filename as it causes all sorts of problems LOAD pnumber instead of LOAD number He wants it all to be very G+DOS compatible. I say hit him over the head with a cleaver -- the dimwit wants to keep it at Spectrum levels. == Extracted from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 1 Dec 1996: == SAMDOS V3.0 NOTES FOR CHANGES FROM EXISTING SAMDOS 2 This document lays out the changes required to SAMDOS version 2 to create SAMDOS version 3. No priority should be implied by the order given. [big snip] 1.4 CAT to replace DIR. The token will print as CAT, therefore any program saved under SAMDOS 2 will have all its DIRs come up as CATs. If DIR is typed at the keyboard then CAT will appear in the listing. CAT [device number] gives full listing of the directory. CAT [device number]! gives a short listing. CAT #n; [device number][!] prints the catalogue to the specified stream. CAT [device number][!];FILENAME can be used for a selective CAT using * or ? if required. == When challenged on this point, he replied Because you CATalogue the directory, you do not produce a DIRectory of the directory. Almost the whole list disagreed with him, of course. imc
Re: ORSAM show report
BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can get bickering off any old net chatroom. That'll do now. Proud to say, I have a glorious MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC Sam. And up til I swapped the ROM in '98 ish, it was a 1989 vintage. Tobermory=Howard At 09:09 18/11/2004, you wrote: Theatrical drama seems to be the right word for this all. Be sure: I never did anything wrong and I know Mr. Bennett for years as a honest and friendly person. I suppose the idiot goes to Mr. Winkless, not to me This here reminds me at Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide. I wonder what will come next? Wolfgang Frans van Egmond wrote: Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the hard of reading among us... erm... huh? Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes? - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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--- Howard Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can get bickering off any old net chatroom. That'll do now. Indeedy. I'll go back to sleep until someone says something SAM related
RE: ORSAM show report
BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:24 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report --- Howard Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can get bickering off any old net chatroom. That'll do now. Indeedy. I'll go back to sleep until someone says something SAM related
