Re: [Samba] Samba - XP performance problem

2005-08-12 Thread David Beck
Ooops. I tried with copy from the cmd shell and made a few experiments 
with that. You are right, it does not show the performance problem.


I used Total Commander for copying the files, so I looked into the 
configuration options and found that it has some way too smart options 
for copying files. It used small buffers to speedup the transfer of 
small files (default option). If I set compatibility mode for the Samba 
drive then it works fine.


Sorry for wasting your time and thank you for the tests you made. That 
helped.


Best regards,
 David.

PS: TC: Crap software of a crap architecture.

Jeremy Allison wrote:


On Thu, Aug 11, 2005 at 11:50:25PM +0200, David Beck wrote:
 

I copied large files. First I tried a CD image around 600 Megs.  Later I 
realized that 50 Megs is good enough for testing this.

I think anything around 25 Megs would do.
   



Exactly how did you copy them ? I'm using a 200Mb file and don't see it.

Jeremy.

 



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Re: [Samba] Samba - XP performance problem

2005-08-10 Thread David Beck

Thank you for the suggestion. I'll keep the info for reference.

Followup for the performance issue:

The trace shows that the conversation changes right after the trans2: 
query file info internal stage, so I looked into the samba code at this 
file:


http://websvn.samba.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/branches/SAMBA_3_0/source/smbd/trans2.c?rev=8959view=markup

case SMB_FILE_INTERNAL_INFORMATION:
/* This should be an index number - looks like
			   dev/ino to me :-) 


   I think this causes us to fail the IFSKIT
   BasicFileInformationTest. -tpot */

DEBUG(10,(call_trans2qfilepathinfo: 
SMB_FILE_INTERNAL_INFORMATION\n));
SIVAL(pdata,0,sbuf.st_dev);
SIVAL(pdata,4,sbuf.st_ino);
data_size = 8;
break;

The comment speaks for itself. I suspect the 8 byte here contains some 
magic that makes XP behaves as I found.


I made an other experiment: I turned off the oplock support (Oplocks = 
No) and this made XP behave like if it was talking to a Windows server.
No extra tran2 calls and 1 byte writes. The performance got better 
because the slowdowns disappeared, but it was still slower compared to 
the windows machine.


Then I looked into the traces again and found that XP sends 1260 bytes 
in each packets when talking to the windows server and 536 bytes when 
talking to the samba server. The MTU is 1300. I suspect, this issue may 
be related to the different subnets where the two machines are located.


Hope this helps someone out there,

David.

Jonathan Johnson wrote:

I can't say that this will apply in your situation, but I've seen 
where having stale connections to non-existent servers can cause a 
performance issue when browsing. Here's a couple of things to try:


1) Remove any shortcuts to non-existent network locations -- this 
applies to broken mapped drives, shortcuts on the desktop and in My 
Documents, and shortcuts in My Network Places


2) Look in the registry at 
HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MountPoints2 
(or ...\MountPoints) -- Under this key, there will be several subkeys. 
Some of these are in the form of ##Server##Share -- if there are any 
of these that refer to nonexistent servers or shares, remove them. DO 
NOT remove any of the other keys, else your system might not boot 
properly. This key is seems to be the Windows version of the 
/etc/fstab file.


Nevertheless, I'm glad to see that you found something interesting. 
Hopefully, your research will help the developers solve some other 
nagging problems!


--Jonathan Johnson

David Beck wrote:


Hello There,

After having googled the whole internet for days I decided to go 
public with this issue.
The result of my google queries so far is that there are plenty of 
others with the very same problem I have and noone posted a 
reasonable answer to this:


Using Samba 3 with XP gets bad performance. I tested this on Tru64 
5.1b and FreeBSD 5.3 with the very same symptoms.
The throughput bw XP and Samba goes up and down. It starts 
transfering with a reasonable speed and after having transfered 
around 16 megs it slows down.
I tried many configuration options regarding locking, tcp settings, 
xmit size and every combination that could make any sense for me.


Then I gave up with this configuration mess as I could lower the 
performnce easily, but the performance jittering was the same.


Now a few notes before I continue: I tested the FreeBSD server on the 
loopback interface and the file write speed was around 43 Megs that 
is close to the disks maximum. I also tested the XP machine with a 
Windows  server and the write performnce was around 10 Megs on a 
100Mbit link. In addition to that the FreeBSD machine is at my home 
and the Tru64 and the Windows server are where I work. I'm pretty 
sure that this is not a network issue.


After spending a lot of time with investigation I decided to go 
deeper in this issue. I installed ethereal to capture the traffic and 
compare the results bw XP-Windows and XP-Tru64. The test was to copy 
50Meg file to both servers and capture the packets. To my surprise 
the conversation was quite different.


XP-Windows (excerpt):
- nt create and x
- trans2: query file info internal
- set file info
- tcp data stream...

XP-Samba (excerpt):
- nt create and x
- trans2: query file info internal
- (query file info + write and x request) many times, incresing 
offset, one byte length

- tcp data stream

In case of XP-Samba, the last two steps are repeated many times.
Large part of the effective bandwith is filled with query file info 
and 1 byte writes.


The packet data can be downloaded from these links:

http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/xp-samba.bz2
http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/xp-win.bz2

I also made a screenshot of a bandwith monitor to show what I mean by 
performance

[Samba] Samba - XP performance problem

2005-08-08 Thread David Beck

Hello There,

After having googled the whole internet for days I decided to go public 
with this issue.
The result of my google queries so far is that there are plenty of 
others with the very same problem I have and noone posted a reasonable 
answer to this:


Using Samba 3 with XP gets bad performance. I tested this on Tru64 5.1b 
and FreeBSD 5.3 with the very same symptoms.
The throughput bw XP and Samba goes up and down. It starts transfering 
with a reasonable speed and after having transfered around 16 megs it 
slows down.
I tried many configuration options regarding locking, tcp settings, xmit 
size and every combination that could make any sense for me.


Then I gave up with this configuration mess as I could lower the 
performnce easily, but the performance jittering was the same.


Now a few notes before I continue: I tested the FreeBSD server on the 
loopback interface and the file write speed was around 43 Megs that is 
close to the disks maximum. I also tested the XP machine with a Windows  
server and the write performnce was around 10 Megs on a 100Mbit link. In 
addition to that the FreeBSD machine is at my home and the Tru64 and the 
Windows server are where I work. I'm pretty sure that this is not a 
network issue.


After spending a lot of time with investigation I decided to go deeper 
in this issue. I installed ethereal to capture the traffic and compare 
the results bw XP-Windows and XP-Tru64. The test was to copy 50Meg file 
to both servers and capture the packets. To my surprise the conversation 
was quite different.


XP-Windows (excerpt):
- nt create and x
- trans2: query file info internal
- set file info
- tcp data stream...

XP-Samba (excerpt):
- nt create and x
- trans2: query file info internal
- (query file info + write and x request) many times, incresing offset, 
one byte length

- tcp data stream

In case of XP-Samba, the last two steps are repeated many times.
Large part of the effective bandwith is filled with query file info and 
1 byte writes.


The packet data can be downloaded from these links:

http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/xp-samba.bz2
http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/xp-win.bz2

I also made a screenshot of a bandwith monitor to show what I mean by 
performance jittering:


http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/samba-performance-write.PNG
http://dbeck.beckground.hu/download/samba-performance-read.PNG

Please note that the original packet log for the 50 Meg file was very 
large, so I kept only the interesting parts.


Last, could anyone there, Samba and SMB wizards help me, how to solve 
this performance issue?


Thank you in advance,

David.

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