Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Rob Shinn wrote: Hi everyone-- I've worked with many, many CAD, CAM and PLM products including AutoCAD, CATIA, I-DEAS, UG/NX, 3DStudio Max, Teamcenter, etc. for many, many years and consider myself to be an expert in performance, scalability and reliability of these systems. Most likely, your problems are not specifically related to Samba and are related to network issues. A good way to track down these types of issues would be setup a test network with identical server and client configurations to what you use in production.Set Samba's debug level to at least 3 or 4 and start watching the logs as you run various test scenarios. Also, try watching the event viewer on the Windows clients. If you're not sure what to look for, post some log excerpts and your smb.conf up on the list and many people here, myself included, should be able to tell you what's going on. Hi Rob Shinn, Thanks for your suggestion, I will probably setup a testing environment to know if the problem come from network component or the server it self. It's will be easy because the Samba server is a Ubuntu guest running on VMWareServer. I will keep you inform If I find anything strange in log file. Thanks Patrik Dufresne -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Patrik Dufresne wrote: I have very similar configuration expect that AutoCAD profile are loaded for local hard drive and not from share on Samba. All other project file of AutoCad are access via Samba file server (the user mount the share on O: ) For your information, AutoCAd 2005 SP1 are install on all machine and every client have 4Gig of memory with a Core2Duo. We made an unpgrade recently of the machine and I got this problem only on those machine. Also, My Network work on 100Mbit and Not 1Gbit, do you thing it can the cause the problem ? What is your setup ? I really sure the problem are related to the network because a user made a test Monday. The take the entire project file and copy it locally on the hard drive. Usually, after 1 hour of work, AutoCad crash. This user work all the day on the project without any crash. He take the same file Tuesday and work on it via the samba share and got the usual crash. I'm running out of time to write other explanation .. I have to got working. This is my share setup for Revit. Note the veto oplocks line; this was necessary to get revit happy. [data] comment = Project files path = /home/samba public = yes writable = yes printable = no create mask = 0771 directory mask = 0771 veto oplock files = /*.rvt/ Have you looked in the samba log files? I'd turn up the debugging and see what it is doing when a crash occurs. One of my customers is a legacy firm - they have been around for about 60 years, and they went to computers early, so we're always finding stuff that is 'just barely failing', with strange symptoms and intermittent faults. It can be hard to diagnose those faults. The samba log files are really detailed and help out in figuring out what is at fault. --Yan -- o__ ,>/'_ o__ (_)\(_),>/'_o__ Yan Seiner (_)\(_) ,>/'_ o__ Personal Trainer (_)\(_),>/'_o__ Professional Engineer (_)\(_) ,>/'_ Who says engineers have to be pencil necked geeks? (_)\(_) "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Hi everyone-- I've worked with many, many CAD, CAM and PLM products including AutoCAD, CATIA, I-DEAS, UG/NX, 3DStudio Max, Teamcenter, etc. for many, many years and consider myself to be an expert in performance, scalability and reliability of these systems. Most likely, your problems are not specifically related to Samba and are related to network issues. A good way to track down these types of issues would be setup a test network with identical server and client configurations to what you use in production.Set Samba's debug level to at least 3 or 4 and start watching the logs as you run various test scenarios. Also, try watching the event viewer on the Windows clients. If you're not sure what to look for, post some log excerpts and your smb.conf up on the list and many people here, myself included, should be able to tell you what's going on. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Rahul Tidke wrote: >> Patrik Dufresne wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have some problem with a network that use Samba as the main >>> FileServer. All client are Windows XP and are identical in almost >>> every point of view. >>> >>> User complain of several crash of AutoCad that happen during the day >>> for no special reason. It usually happen when the user execute a >>> command. >>> >>> The problem it's self it's not really important, I just want to know >>> if any body complain about similar problem with AutoCad+Samba. If >>> it's not the case, I will not care about the server and take a >>> further look to other network component. >>> >>> Thanks for your help >>> >>>Patrik Dufresne > > > Rahul Tidke wrote: >> Hello, >> I have same setup here; all the CAD standards and profiles are >> loaded in to AutoCAD using SAMBA shares, CAD project files are also >> accessed from SAMBA shares. This generates very heavy traffic over >> network and this is I/O bound operation; you should have sufficient >> RAM at both server and client side. Your AutoCAD should be update with >> all service packs and CAD fixes released by Autodesk. The problem you >> are talking about should be related to AutoCAD or possibly some >> network issues and not with SAMBA; as this happens when user executes >> certain command. >> Make sure that AutoCAD is configured properly in case you are using >> some CAD standards/customizations and file paths should not be missing. >> >> Thank you. >> Rahul. >> >> Yan Seiner wrote: Interesting. I had a complaint today about AutoCAD being slow to access files. Once in a while users see very slow access when accessing files from the server. Apparently this is particular to AutoCAD. I am waiting on more information, so that's all I know at this point. --Yan I went through number of problems while setting up CAD softwares and Samba file server, we use softwares like 1) Graphisoft ArchiCAD which uses a concept called Teamwork (Multiple people working on same project file) 2) Autodesk Revit which uses concept of Central file (This is also shared by multiple peoples with restricted access to certain part of file; after finishing the work everyone saves back to central file and changes are reflected to central file). 3) Autodesk Architecture, this uses number of different client wise CAD standards, libraries , profiles which is all loaded in to AutoCAD project file from SAMBA share and this project files is accessed from different SAMBA share ( A common share is created for CAD standards,CAD Libraries, customization files), in addition this project file has multiple external references (called xrefs) which is also loaded from common SAMBA share. What I am trying to mention is a single file has multiple objects loaded from different SAMBA shares and a user saves the data (file on which he is working) back to server frequently (say after every 2-3 minutes); plus these software have "Auto save" feature which also saves the data back to server after particular time interval. So if your network disconnects (even if for fraction of seconds) in between; all the files become read only and sometime this affects the teamwork file or central file (file may get corrupt)! My question to SAMBA developers is; whether accessing files this way from different SAMBA shares in to a single CAD project file and how SAMBA serves files are inter related in any way?? What kind of SAMBA configuration one should have in above cases? Thanks Rahul. Hi Rahul, I have very similar configuration expect that AutoCAD profile are loaded for local hard drive and not from share on Samba. All other project file of AutoCad are access via Samba file server (the user mount the share on O: ) For your information, AutoCAd 2005 SP1 are install on all machine and every client have 4Gig of memory with a Core2Duo. We made an unpgrade recently of the machine and I got this problem only on those machine. Also, My Network work on 100Mbit and Not 1Gbit, do you thing it can the cause the problem ? What is your setup ? I really sure the problem are related to the network because a user made a test Monday. The take the entire project file and copy it locally on the hard drive. Usually, after 1 hour of work, AutoCad crash. This user work all the day on the project without any crash. He take the same file Tuesday and work on it via the samba share and got the usual crash. I'm running out of time to write other explanation .. I have to got working. Thanks Patrik Dufresne -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
>> Patrik Dufresne wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have some problem with a network that use Samba as the main >>> FileServer. All client are Windows XP and are identical in almost >>> every point of view. >>> >>> User complain of several crash of AutoCad that happen during the day >>> for no special reason. It usually happen when the user execute a >>> command. >>> >>> The problem it's self it's not really important, I just want to know >>> if any body complain about similar problem with AutoCad+Samba. If >>> it's not the case, I will not care about the server and take a >>> further look to other network component. >>> >>> Thanks for your help >>> >>>Patrik Dufresne > > > Rahul Tidke wrote: >> Hello, >> I have same setup here; all the CAD standards and profiles are >> loaded in to AutoCAD using SAMBA shares, CAD project files are also >> accessed from SAMBA shares. This generates very heavy traffic over >> network and this is I/O bound operation; you should have sufficient >> RAM at both server and client side. Your AutoCAD should be update with >> all service packs and CAD fixes released by Autodesk. The problem you >> are talking about should be related to AutoCAD or possibly some >> network issues and not with SAMBA; as this happens when user executes >> certain command. >> Make sure that AutoCAD is configured properly in case you are using >> some CAD standards/customizations and file paths should not be missing. >> >> Thank you. >> Rahul. >> >> Yan Seiner wrote: Interesting. I had a complaint today about AutoCAD being slow to access files. Once in a while users see very slow access when accessing files from the server. Apparently this is particular to AutoCAD. I am waiting on more information, so that's all I know at this point. --Yan I went through number of problems while setting up CAD softwares and Samba file server, we use softwares like 1) Graphisoft ArchiCAD which uses a concept called Teamwork (Multiple people working on same project file) 2) Autodesk Revit which uses concept of Central file (This is also shared by multiple peoples with restricted access to certain part of file; after finishing the work everyone saves back to central file and changes are reflected to central file). 3) Autodesk Architecture, this uses number of different client wise CAD standards, libraries , profiles which is all loaded in to AutoCAD project file from SAMBA share and this project files is accessed from different SAMBA share ( A common share is created for CAD standards,CAD Libraries, customization files), in addition this project file has multiple external references (called xrefs) which is also loaded from common SAMBA share. What I am trying to mention is a single file has multiple objects loaded from different SAMBA shares and a user saves the data (file on which he is working) back to server frequently (say after every 2-3 minutes); plus these software have "Auto save" feature which also saves the data back to server after particular time interval. So if your network disconnects (even if for fraction of seconds) in between; all the files become read only and sometime this affects the teamwork file or central file (file may get corrupt)! My question to SAMBA developers is; whether accessing files this way from different SAMBA shares in to a single CAD project file and how SAMBA serves files are inter related in any way?? What kind of SAMBA configuration one should have in above cases? Thanks Rahul. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Rahul Tidke wrote: Hello, I have same setup here; all the CAD standards and profiles are loaded in to AutoCAD using SAMBA shares, CAD project files are also accessed from SAMBA shares. This generates very heavy traffic over network and this is I/O bound operation; you should have sufficient RAM at both server and client side. Your AutoCAD should be update with all service packs and CAD fixes released by Autodesk. The problem you are talking about should be related to AutoCAD or possibly some network issues and not with SAMBA; as this happens when user executes certain command. Make sure that AutoCAD is configured properly in case you are using some CAD standards/customizations and file paths should not be missing. Interesting. I had a complaint today about AutoCAD being slow to access files. Once in a while users see very slow access when accessing files from the server. Apparently this is particular to AutoCAD. I am waiting on more information, so that's all I know at this point. --Yan Thank you. Rahul. Patrik Dufresne wrote: Hi, I have some problem with a network that use Samba as the main FileServer. All client are Windows XP and are identical in almost every point of view. User complain of several crash of AutoCad that happen during the day for no special reason. It usually happen when the user execute a command. The problem it's self it's not really important, I just want to know if any body complain about similar problem with AutoCad+Samba. If it's not the case, I will not care about the server and take a further look to other network component. Thanks for your help Patrik Dufresne -- o__ ,>/'_ o__ (_)\(_),>/'_o__ Yan Seiner (_)\(_) ,>/'_ o__ Personal Trainer (_)\(_),>/'_o__ Professional Engineer (_)\(_) ,>/'_ Who says engineers have to be pencil necked geeks? (_)\(_) "I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say 'Daddy, where were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?'" --Mike Godwin, Electronic Frontier Foundation -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Hello, I have same setup here; all the CAD standards and profiles are loaded in to AutoCAD using SAMBA shares, CAD project files are also accessed from SAMBA shares. This generates very heavy traffic over network and this is I/O bound operation; you should have sufficient RAM at both server and client side. Your AutoCAD should be update with all service packs and CAD fixes released by Autodesk. The problem you are talking about should be related to AutoCAD or possibly some network issues and not with SAMBA; as this happens when user executes certain command. Make sure that AutoCAD is configured properly in case you are using some CAD standards/customizations and file paths should not be missing. Thank you. Rahul. Patrik Dufresne wrote: Hi, I have some problem with a network that use Samba as the main FileServer. All client are Windows XP and are identical in almost every point of view. User complain of several crash of AutoCad that happen during the day for no special reason. It usually happen when the user execute a command. The problem it's self it's not really important, I just want to know if any body complain about similar problem with AutoCad+Samba. If it's not the case, I will not care about the server and take a further look to other network component. Thanks for your help Patrik Dufresne -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
[Samba] Samba & AutoCAd 2005
Hi, I have some problem with a network that use Samba as the main FileServer. All client are Windows XP and are identical in almost every point of view. User complain of several crash of AutoCad that happen during the day for no special reason. It usually happen when the user execute a command. The problem it's self it's not really important, I just want to know if any body complain about similar problem with AutoCad+Samba. If it's not the case, I will not care about the server and take a further look to other network component. Thanks for your help Patrik Dufresne -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
