RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
Your question isn't a Samba question but really how to manage you email, first of all when you use outlook I believe all your email data PST files etc are stored as part of your profile but XP doesn't copy that to the server as part of your roaming profile mainly because the files can get very large. This could then cause major delays when logon on to the network as the files are copied down to the workstation, even if you manipulated the setting and got it to save as part of roaming profile and ignored the log login times. You probably find that your profile gets corrupted over time. I would use a local mail server based on maybe postfix or Exim with UW IMAP either use fetchmail to get your email from your free provider or setup DNS and MX to deliver straight to it doesn't matter. Use IMAP and point outlook to it and for home access I would setup something like squirrel mail which is a web front end. Keep you profile as small as you can. Cheers Chris Tepaske -Original Message- From: Matthias Spork [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:41 PM To: Ninja Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express Ninja schrieb: > I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 > clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in every > host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s preferences, > and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a > "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to them > in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as a > PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy > files for every groups (I'm still working on it). > > Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a > "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably > different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution (also > because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will use > the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, that is > then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the > emails > > What do you think?? > > Thanks to everyone is helping me!! > > >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord >>Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express >> >>On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: >> >>>I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap >> >>server, an usually >> >>>who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 >> >>server... >> >>Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I >>understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or >>even already >>have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can >>surely either >> >>a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP >>b) afford to run its own mailserver >>c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC >> >>In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from >>the freemail >>provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with >>fetchmail. It >>was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux >>while I was still >>dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a >>linux newbie :) >> >>As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know >>how feasible >>that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails >>configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux >>and we got >>scripting languages :) >> >>If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out >>Mozilla Thunderbird, >>you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing >>it on a samba >>share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. Why don't you use an other mailclient? I guess Mozilla Thunderbird stores all Data in "Application Data". This folder will be stored on the server. maze -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out Mozilla Thunderbird, you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing it on a samba share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. Why don't you use an other mailclient? I guess Mozilla Thunderbird stores all Data in "Application Data". This folder will be stored on the server. We have 10 users using Mozilla 1.5 with windows XP. Their mozilla profiles are stored on a network drive, without problems. When you create the profile you can choose its location. This avoids their profile (and hence messages) being copied back and forth with their roaming profile. Outlook Express cannot do this. -- Steven Kurylo -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
Ninja schrieb: I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in every host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s preferences, and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to them in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as a PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy files for every groups (I'm still working on it). Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution (also because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will use the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, that is then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the emails What do you think?? Thanks to everyone is helping me!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap server, an usually who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 server... Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or even already have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can surely either a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP b) afford to run its own mailserver c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from the freemail provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with fetchmail. It was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux while I was still dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a linux newbie :) As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know how feasible that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux and we got scripting languages :) If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out Mozilla Thunderbird, you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing it on a samba share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. Why don't you use an other mailclient? I guess Mozilla Thunderbird stores all Data in "Application Data". This folder will be stored on the server. maze -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
Within our school system, we use squirrelmail (a webmail interface) ontop of IMAP to provide teachers a secure email interface from both school and home. Mark > If you are using roaming profiles the OE mailbox files will follow the > user no matter which workstation that they login on. The drawback is > that those files can get rather large depending on email and their > associated attachments, which will mean longer load and save times. This > is also true if you were to setup an IMAP server, unless you setup OE to > only sync the headers and not the full message. The single most > important advantage with an IMAP server is that messages are managed on > the server. So if the OE mailbox(es) becomes corrupt deleting the local > file and re-syncing will restore the messages locally to the user. > > HTH, > > Marcus O. > > > On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 16:58, Ninja wrote: >> I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 >> clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in >> every >> host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s >> preferences, >> and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a >> "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to >> them >> in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as >> a >> PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy >> files for every groups (I'm still working on it). >> >> Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a >> "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably >> different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution >> (also >> because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will >> use >> the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, >> that is >> then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the >> emails >> >> What do you think?? >> >> Thanks to everyone is helping me!! >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> > Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express >> > >> > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: >> > > I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap >> > server, an usually >> > > who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 >> > server... >> > >> > Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I >> > understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or >> > even already >> > have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can >> > surely either >> > >> > a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP >> > b) afford to run its own mailserver >> > c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC >> > >> > In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from >> > the freemail >> > provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with >> > fetchmail. It >> > was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux >> > while I was still >> > dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a >> > linux newbie :) >> > >> > As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know >> > how feasible >> > that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails >> > configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux >> > and we got >> > scripting languages :) >> > >> > If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out >> > Mozilla Thunderbird, >> > you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing >> > it on a samba >> > share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. >> > >> > >> > Alex >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the >> > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba >> > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
If you are using roaming profiles the OE mailbox files will follow the user no matter which workstation that they login on. The drawback is that those files can get rather large depending on email and their associated attachments, which will mean longer load and save times. This is also true if you were to setup an IMAP server, unless you setup OE to only sync the headers and not the full message. The single most important advantage with an IMAP server is that messages are managed on the server. So if the OE mailbox(es) becomes corrupt deleting the local file and re-syncing will restore the messages locally to the user. HTH, Marcus O. On Tue, 2004-04-13 at 16:58, Ninja wrote: > I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 > clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in every > host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s preferences, > and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a > "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to them > in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as a > PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy > files for every groups (I'm still working on it). > > Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a > "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably > different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution (also > because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will use > the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, that is > then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the > emails > > What do you think?? > > Thanks to everyone is helping me!! > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord > > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > > > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: > > > I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap > > server, an usually > > > who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 > > server... > > > > Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I > > understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or > > even already > > have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can > > surely either > > > > a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP > > b) afford to run its own mailserver > > c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC > > > > In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from > > the freemail > > provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with > > fetchmail. It > > was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux > > while I was still > > dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a > > linux newbie :) > > > > As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know > > how feasible > > that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails > > configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux > > and we got > > scripting languages :) > > > > If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out > > Mozilla Thunderbird, > > you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing > > it on a samba > > share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. > > > > > > Alex > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
I still think that imap is still what your looking for. You already have the teacher accounts on the linux box. imap would put the mail in the /home/(teacher's) directory on the server. you could deny imap to the student account. Teachers would still have access to their mail from anywhere as long as port 143 is open. They could use OE. I don't see an easier solution. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. RANKIN * BERTIN, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 (936) 715-9333 (936) 715-9339 fax www.rankin-bertin.com -- - Original Message - From: "Ninja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 > clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in every > host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s preferences, > and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a > "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to them > in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as a > PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy > files for every groups (I'm still working on it). > > Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a > "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably > different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution (also > because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will use > the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, that is > then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the > emails > > What do you think?? > > Thanks to everyone is helping me!! > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord > > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > > > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: > > > I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap > > server, an usually > > > who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 > > server... > > > > Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I > > understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or > > even already > > have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can > > surely either > > > > a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP > > b) afford to run its own mailserver > > c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC > > > > In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from > > the freemail > > provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with > > fetchmail. It > > was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux > > while I was still > > dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a > > linux newbie :) > > > > As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know > > how feasible > > that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails > > configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux > > and we got > > scripting languages :) > > > > If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out > > Mozilla Thunderbird, > > you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing > > it on a samba > > share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. > > > > > > Alex > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 4/9/04 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
I will go to explain my situation: I have to set up a little net (max 15 clients, with Windows and Linux OS) for a school; they need that in every host of the net if they log in as "FOO" they can use "FOO"'s preferences, and maybe have some restriction for "student user". In particular for a "teacher" they want to be able to read their emails and get access to them in every computer they log in... To make this plain I have use samba as a PDC with roaming profiles, and I use poledit to create different policy files for every groups (I'm still working on it). Because the "teachers" would be little in number and because only a "teacher" would have an email account (with a free provider,probably different), I think that set up an Imap server is not a good solution (also because a teacher maybe would read the email at home)... I think I will use the default setup of Outlook that save a file in the user directory, that is then stored in the server, and setup Outlook to leave on the server the emails What do you think?? Thanks to everyone is helping me!! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Alexander Gretencord > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 9:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: > > I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap > server, an usually > > who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 > server... > > Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I > understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or > even already > have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can > surely either > > a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP > b) afford to run its own mailserver > c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC > > In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from > the freemail > provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with > fetchmail. It > was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux > while I was still > dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a > linux newbie :) > > As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know > how feasible > that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails > configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux > and we got > scripting languages :) > > If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out > Mozilla Thunderbird, > you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing > it on a samba > share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. > > > Alex > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
On Tuesday 13 April 2004 18:46, Ninja wrote: > I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap server, an usually > who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 server... Yes indeed that is mostly true. But why do you use those anyway? As I understood you, you are trying to set up a PDC with samba (or even already have one) so I assume this is for a company. This company can surely either a) afford a service Provider which offers IMAP b) afford to run its own mailserver c) run its own IMAP Server off the samba PDC In case c) your server must of course fetch all the mail from the freemail provider. I do that for my own freemail accounts at home with fetchmail. It was born out of the need to read mail in Windows and Linux while I was still dual booting so yes this is so easy to setup, I did it as a linux newbie :) As I don't know anything about your organisation I don't know how feasible that is for you or how much work it would be to set up fetchmails configuration in a changing environment but hey this is linux and we got scripting languages :) If you are just looking for another mail Client, try out Mozilla Thunderbird, you can define the profile path. I have never tested storing it on a samba share though, as IMAP is the definite answer. Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
I'm agree with you, but not always you can use an Imap server, an usually who gives you an e-mail account for free gives only an Pop3 server... > -Original Message- > From: Alexander Gretencord [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 4:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: Ninja > Subject: Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > On Tuesday 13 April 2004 15:56, Ninja wrote: > > Have you found something similar to substitute Outlook Express? > > Why use POP3 and download messages to the local PC anyway? > Use an IMAP Server > and your favourite Mail Client. Even OE will work. And you > can even have > users check their Mail from anywhere else if you make the IMAP Server > accessible via internet. > > > Alex > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
On Tuesday 13 April 2004 15:56, Ninja wrote: > Have you found something similar to substitute Outlook Express? Why use POP3 and download messages to the local PC anyway? Use an IMAP Server and your favourite Mail Client. Even OE will work. And you can even have users check their Mail from anywhere else if you make the IMAP Server accessible via internet. Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
Have you found something similar to substitute Outlook Express? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of John Petro > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > I have actually played around with this, and from what I can > tell, you can't > do it with outlook express. It won't let you save your mailfiles to a > "network" drive. > --John > > - > John Petro > System Programmer > Information and Technology Services > Rochester Institute of Technology > 585-475-4925 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Ninja > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express > > Hi to all. I'm making a samba PDC and I want that accounts > and the mails > that every user have in Outlook Express will be saved on the > server, so that > in every computer in the domain the user can have his > mails... How to make > it? Probably it's not the correct place in which make the > question but maybe > someone know the answer! > > Thanks to all > > -- > To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the > instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba > -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
RE: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
I have actually played around with this, and from what I can tell, you can't do it with outlook express. It won't let you save your mailfiles to a "network" drive. --John - John Petro System Programmer Information and Technology Services Rochester Institute of Technology 585-475-4925 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ninja Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Samba] Samba & Outlook Express Hi to all. I'm making a samba PDC and I want that accounts and the mails that every user have in Outlook Express will be saved on the server, so that in every computer in the domain the user can have his mails... How to make it? Probably it's not the correct place in which make the question but maybe someone know the answer! Thanks to all -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
[Samba] Samba & Outlook Express
Hi to all. I'm making a samba PDC and I want that accounts and the mails that every user have in Outlook Express will be saved on the server, so that in every computer in the domain the user can have his mails... How to make it? Probably it's not the correct place in which make the question but maybe someone know the answer! Thanks to all -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: http://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
