Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
How about the temp directory in Office Preferences. Is it on the local workstation, or does it default to the dir where the file is opened. I always thought that could slow things down. (i.e. the creation of the ~foo.doc file). HTH, Steve -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
I fixed this by using the following in login scripts for every share each domain account was supposed to have: net use driveletter: /delete net use driverletter: \\newserver\newsharelocation This fixed 99% of the invalid shares we had. There were a few people that had manually mapped drives. I just removed their mappings and added their mapped drives to their login scripts to set it correctly and that solved the issue. I eventually turned this off after I was satisfied all bad mappings had been resolved. Of course, it was the complaint of a user who uses offline files heavily that really helped nudge me into turning it off. The delete command was mucking up his sync process when he logged in first thing in the morning. Offline files sync as soon as they possibly can. Login scripts continue run if they are taking a while to complete despite syncing. The whole delete and recreating of a share seems to take just long enough so that a share can be delete while syncing is going on. The sync process gets very moody when you take away its mapped drive during sync. Jonathan Johnson wrote: Please review the Samba HOWTO, chapter 10, "Common Errors" where it discusses this issue. http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id350945 Jonathan Johnson Sutinen Consulting, Inc. www.sutinen.com Aaron Kincer wrote: Also, as others have mentioned, Windows and its applications can have long memories about servers contacted in the past. For example, the list of recently opened files. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Please review the Samba HOWTO, chapter 10, "Common Errors" where it discusses this issue. http://us4.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/NetworkBrowsing.html#id350945 Jonathan Johnson Sutinen Consulting, Inc. www.sutinen.com Aaron Kincer wrote: Also, as others have mentioned, Windows and its applications can have long memories about servers contacted in the past. For example, the list of recently opened files. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba (Solved)
Marcello Romani wrote: Berend Tober ha scritto: The first time a Word or Excel file is opened, i.e., when either Word or Excel have not been actively running "recently" (like, say for several minutes or more), the time it takes to start the application and load the file seem inordinately long. Once the first evolution is complete, files open more-or-less instantly ... Part of this implementation involved "hedging my bets", meaning I left the Novell Netware Client software installed on all the desktop computers in case there was a major, unanticipated disaster and we had to resume legacy server operations. Once that client software is removed, the initial load performance problem ceases. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Berend Tober ha scritto: The first time a Word or Excel file is opened, i.e., when either Word or Excel have not been actively running "recently" (like, say for several minutes or more), the time it takes to start the application and load the file seem inordinately long. Once the first evolution is complete, files open more-or-less instantly if I close the first document but leave either app running (but void of any open documents). This pertains to the same file opened a second time, or different files -- once Word/Excel has done whatever it is thats takes so long for initial start up, then load performance is acceptable (in fact it is very impressive!). And it is not merely the loading of the app, because it happens both when I start the apps implicitly by double-clicking on a document in Windows Explorer, but also if I first start Word/Excel explicitly from the START menu without a specific document and then open one from the Samba share using File|Open. Envirnoment: Server is RHEL 5 with Samba version samba-3.0.23c-2.el5.2.0.2 Desktops are XP Pro SP2 on some, and XP Home SP2 on others. MS Office Suite is XP Pro (i.e., Word/Excel 2002) Desktops also run Symantec Corporate Edition 8.1 (although same problem continues on a machine from which I uninstalled that as part of my debugging.) I initially had no explicit settings regarding opportunistic locking in smb.conf, but I've tried server different configurations without improvement. What appears below is the current configuration and the problem still pertains. smb.conf: [global] workgroup = mygroup server string = Samba Server hosts allow = 192.168.123. 127. cups options = raw log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 dns proxy = no username map = /etc/samba/smbusers case sensitive = no kernel oplocks = no [homes] comment = browseable = no writeable = yes [acct] path = /usr/local/var/samba/acct writeable = yes guest ok = yes browseable = no create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False [engr] path = /usr/local/var/samba/engr writeable = yes browseable = no guest ok = yes create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False Active Directory is not used. All workstations (about 25) simply map drive letters locally. This performance problem appeared only after we began using Samba for file server. Never saw this in close to 15 years of using Netware -- so I suspect it is not purely an MS-Office problem, but something to do with the interaction between MS-Office and Samba. I eagerly await your help! Have you tried copying (tens of MBs) files or even those same office files to/from the share ? What is the performance there ? I had a similar performance problem which showed up in Office, but I found out it was not limited to "office" files, but affected the transfer speed between the client and the server in general. I have found a solution and posted it to this list, search for the thread "Vista client / Linux server - hight browsing latency" (or I will send you the e-mail if you so desire). HTH -- Marcello Romani Responsabile IT Ottotecnica s.r.l. http://www.ottotecnica.com -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Is there any difference in behavior when you open the files from within the applications themselves so that you can remove the application load time from the equation? Just a little FYI--MS Office is a strange animal in how it and Samba play together. It is not uncommon to see behavior there that you don't see anywhere else. For example--I'd pay good money to see a Samba configuration where MS Word (2003) sets the archive bit properly after a file is edited. Also, as others have mentioned, Windows and its applications can have long memories about servers contacted in the past. For example, the list of recently opened files. I doubt this would have an effect, but just for giggles you could flush the dns cache (ipconfig /flushdns) Berend Tober wrote: Berend Tober wrote: > Aaron Kincer wrote: >> ... Do you get the same behavior if you attempt to open a .doc file with Open Office? > The answer is yes to that, but I would estimate that it is a little less noticeable. Let me correct that. It is a lot less noticable. Maybe even it doesn't happen and I'm seeing is the difference in load time for the OO software. Hard to tell for sure. Definitely it is not as bad with OO. Lastly, I'm not sure what happens when you use true or false as a value for oplocks and level2 oplocks, but I thought the values were either yes or no. Using "no" in place of "false" made not difference. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
On Wed, 2007-06-13 at 13:03 -0400, Berend Tober wrote: > Alex Crow wrote: > > This wasn't a migration from an NT domain was it? We had the problem > > after a migration that starting up Office programs was incredibly slow - > > it turned out there were a load of Office registry entries pointing to > > UNC paths on the old Windows PDC. > > > > No. Not NT. Previous file server was Netware 5.1 (and 4.2, 4.1, and > 4.0... before that). Never had the problem on those machines. (And as a > salute to Novell, it is pretty impressive to note that the machine we > retired was a 1.5Ghz P4 w/ 512MB RAM and it was readily able to keep up > with two dozen desktop clients that universally had better CPU and RAM > specs! The new box is substantially more capable with 16x the RAM, for > starters). > > Under Netware the local workstation users did not have to explicitly map > drive letters, because Netware had a login script utility that handled > that. In the new environment we just established each client with > "reconnect at login" drive letter mappings to the corresponding Samba > shares to where all the files had been copied to from the legacy Netware > server -- so everyone that had made desktop shortcuts into often-used > sub-directories on the old server were still able to use them on the new > server when the showed up on Monday morning. Those desktop shortcuts are > certainly not the source of the problem, though, because I'm debugging > by navigating to the file location directly in Windows Explorer, or > using the File|Open dialog from the main menu in either app. > > Just an idea - we found things that were completely unrelated to how we thought the previous setup would be. It still might be worth scanning the registry on a couple of client machines though. Cheers Alex -- This message is intended only for the addressee and may contain confidential information. Unless you are that person, you may not disclose its contents or use it in any way and are requested to delete the message along with any attachments and notify us immediately. "Transact" is operated by Integrated Financial Arrangements plc Domain House, 5-7 Singer Street, London EC2A 4BQ Tel: (020) 7608 4900 Fax: (020) 7608 1200 (Registered office: as above; Registered in England and Wales under number: 3727592) Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority (entered on the FSA Register; number: 190856) -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Berend Tober wrote: > Aaron Kincer wrote: >> ... Do you get the same behavior if you attempt to open a .doc file with Open Office? > The answer is yes to that, but I would estimate that it is a little less noticeable. Let me correct that. It is a lot less noticable. Maybe even it doesn't happen and I'm seeing is the difference in load time for the OO software. Hard to tell for sure. Definitely it is not as bad with OO. Lastly, I'm not sure what happens when you use true or false as a value for oplocks and level2 oplocks, but I thought the values were either yes or no. Using "no" in place of "false" made not difference. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Aaron Kincer wrote: My first question would be does this happen with other applications or strictly Office? No one has complained about other apps, which in our case the next most heavily used is AutoCAD. I think I would have heard by now if that were a problem. Do you get the same behavior if you attempt to open a .doc file with Open Office? The answer is yes to that, but I would estimate that it is a little less noticeable. Second, have you watched your samba logs in real time (example: tail -f /var/log/samba/) as you try to open a file to see what's happening behind the scenes? I have, and with log level = 5, but I don't really get a lot out that data. Do you think posting a sample would be beneficial? Lastly, I'm not sure what happens when you use true or false as a value for oplocks and level2 oplocks, but I thought the values were either yes or no. I've seen both posted in different articles my buddy Google and I turned up, and testparm reported no problems, but I'll switch false to no. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Alex Crow wrote: This wasn't a migration from an NT domain was it? We had the problem after a migration that starting up Office programs was incredibly slow - it turned out there were a load of Office registry entries pointing to UNC paths on the old Windows PDC. No. Not NT. Previous file server was Netware 5.1 (and 4.2, 4.1, and 4.0... before that). Never had the problem on those machines. (And as a salute to Novell, it is pretty impressive to note that the machine we retired was a 1.5Ghz P4 w/ 512MB RAM and it was readily able to keep up with two dozen desktop clients that universally had better CPU and RAM specs! The new box is substantially more capable with 16x the RAM, for starters). Under Netware the local workstation users did not have to explicitly map drive letters, because Netware had a login script utility that handled that. In the new environment we just established each client with "reconnect at login" drive letter mappings to the corresponding Samba shares to where all the files had been copied to from the legacy Netware server -- so everyone that had made desktop shortcuts into often-used sub-directories on the old server were still able to use them on the new server when the showed up on Monday morning. Those desktop shortcuts are certainly not the source of the problem, though, because I'm debugging by navigating to the file location directly in Windows Explorer, or using the File|Open dialog from the main menu in either app. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
My first question would be does this happen with other applications or strictly Office? Do you get the same behavior if you attempt to open a .doc file with Open Office? Second, have you watched your samba logs in real time (example: tail -f /var/log/samba/) as you try to open a file to see what's happening behind the scenes? Lastly, I'm not sure what happens when you use true or false as a value for oplocks and level2 oplocks, but I thought the values were either yes or no. Berend Tober wrote: The first time a Word or Excel file is opened, i.e., when either Word or Excel have not been actively running "recently" (like, say for several minutes or more), the time it takes to start the application and load the file seem inordinately long. Once the first evolution is complete, files open more-or-less instantly if I close the first document but leave either app running (but void of any open documents). This pertains to the same file opened a second time, or different files -- once Word/Excel has done whatever it is thats takes so long for initial start up, then load performance is acceptable (in fact it is very impressive!). And it is not merely the loading of the app, because it happens both when I start the apps implicitly by double-clicking on a document in Windows Explorer, but also if I first start Word/Excel explicitly from the START menu without a specific document and then open one from the Samba share using File|Open. Envirnoment: Server is RHEL 5 with Samba version samba-3.0.23c-2.el5.2.0.2 Desktops are XP Pro SP2 on some, and XP Home SP2 on others. MS Office Suite is XP Pro (i.e., Word/Excel 2002) Desktops also run Symantec Corporate Edition 8.1 (although same problem continues on a machine from which I uninstalled that as part of my debugging.) I initially had no explicit settings regarding opportunistic locking in smb.conf, but I've tried server different configurations without improvement. What appears below is the current configuration and the problem still pertains. smb.conf: [global] workgroup = mygroup server string = Samba Server hosts allow = 192.168.123. 127. cups options = raw log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 dns proxy = no username map = /etc/samba/smbusers case sensitive = no kernel oplocks = no [homes] comment = browseable = no writeable = yes [acct] path = /usr/local/var/samba/acct writeable = yes guest ok = yes browseable = no create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False [engr] path = /usr/local/var/samba/engr writeable = yes browseable = no guest ok = yes create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False Active Directory is not used. All workstations (about 25) simply map drive letters locally. This performance problem appeared only after we began using Samba for file server. Never saw this in close to 15 years of using Netware -- so I suspect it is not purely an MS-Office problem, but something to do with the interaction between MS-Office and Samba. I eagerly await your help! -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
Re: [Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
Berend, This wasn't a migration from an NT domain was it? We had the problem after a migration that starting up Office programs was incredibly slow - it turned out there were a load of Office registry entries pointing to UNC paths on the old Windows PDC. Just an idea... Cheers Alex -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
[Samba] Very slow initial opening MS-Word and MS-Excel files from Samba
The first time a Word or Excel file is opened, i.e., when either Word or Excel have not been actively running "recently" (like, say for several minutes or more), the time it takes to start the application and load the file seem inordinately long. Once the first evolution is complete, files open more-or-less instantly if I close the first document but leave either app running (but void of any open documents). This pertains to the same file opened a second time, or different files -- once Word/Excel has done whatever it is thats takes so long for initial start up, then load performance is acceptable (in fact it is very impressive!). And it is not merely the loading of the app, because it happens both when I start the apps implicitly by double-clicking on a document in Windows Explorer, but also if I first start Word/Excel explicitly from the START menu without a specific document and then open one from the Samba share using File|Open. Envirnoment: Server is RHEL 5 with Samba version samba-3.0.23c-2.el5.2.0.2 Desktops are XP Pro SP2 on some, and XP Home SP2 on others. MS Office Suite is XP Pro (i.e., Word/Excel 2002) Desktops also run Symantec Corporate Edition 8.1 (although same problem continues on a machine from which I uninstalled that as part of my debugging.) I initially had no explicit settings regarding opportunistic locking in smb.conf, but I've tried server different configurations without improvement. What appears below is the current configuration and the problem still pertains. smb.conf: [global] workgroup = mygroup server string = Samba Server hosts allow = 192.168.123. 127. cups options = raw log file = /var/log/samba/%m.log max log size = 50 dns proxy = no username map = /etc/samba/smbusers case sensitive = no kernel oplocks = no [homes] comment = browseable = no writeable = yes [acct] path = /usr/local/var/samba/acct writeable = yes guest ok = yes browseable = no create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False [engr] path = /usr/local/var/samba/engr writeable = yes browseable = no guest ok = yes create mask = 0765 directory mask = 0775 oplocks = False level2 oplocks = False Active Directory is not used. All workstations (about 25) simply map drive letters locally. This performance problem appeared only after we began using Samba for file server. Never saw this in close to 15 years of using Netware -- so I suspect it is not purely an MS-Office problem, but something to do with the interaction between MS-Office and Samba. I eagerly await your help! -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/listinfo/samba
