Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
zoolook wrote: Also, the color combination (specially on the wiki) is awful; red on gray, really hurt my eyes. I hope it can be improved soon. Regards, Norberto I also found the red/white/gray combination difficult. It took me a while to realise that the big red blocks on the left were menu. You don't really see the white/grey Samba logo at all, and it's even difficult to read the main text because the eyes are constantly being drawn across to the bright red on the left. As far as sizes are concerned, it displays perfectly on my 1024x768 monitor. But I was _astounded_ to read that it's using fixed pixel sizes. That's not web design, that's poster design! I have been looking though Blackbit's own website. They seem to be some sort of advertising company, although this is not really very clear from their site - which is not, if you think about it, a good sign. They list[1] breaking the rules as one of their strengths. While it is true that some conventions can occasionally be set aside to good effect, this is certainly not a universal truth. In particular, common sense readability guidelines in a medium primarily designed for reading should not be dismissed without long and careful thought about the practical implications. No matter how artistic the result. On first look, then, I'm afraid Blackbit may not have been a good choice. However they do also list incorporating constructive criticism as another strength (although this is perhaps difficult to reconcile with never giving way). Maybe you could go back try to persuade them that their basic premise of designing to a 1024x768 screen is flawed, and that they and their customers would benefit from a more flexible approach. A more balanced colour scheme would help the Samba site, too. Moray. To err is human. To purr, feline [1] http://www.blackbit.de/en/index.html?a-Common_menu-n_Selected=2594butto n-CurrentMenuTree-setmenutree=a-Common_storyOutput-n_SearchNodeId=2594 button-Common_storyOutput-find_story=vjpb-id=wde271cc0d035a655637d52cab e12bcca9a8624a4dc -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
Quoting Felix Miata (mrma...@earthlink.net): That's what http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-sambaorg1005.png was supposed to be. How does the depiction fall short? Please accept some excuses here. In the next messages, you gave ecidence of you will to contribute constructively. Maybe the apparent tone of your initial message was giving a false impression. -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 05:44:01PM -0400, David Eisner wrote: For purposes of comparison, here is what the samba.org site looks like on my browser (Chrome on Vista): http://www.pointland.org/images/samba_org_sc.png And here is what your modification looks like: http://www.pointland.org/images/samba_org_kvetch_sc.png I put a little 96 pixel square in the upper right corner for those who want to scale to my dpi. Some feedback: The body text is a little large for my tastes, but I can live with that. I prefer the size contrast between the Opening Windows header and the body text in the original design to yours. I also prefer the additional white space around the text in the red section boxes on the left, in the original design. I certainly prefered the alternate. The original has way too large a heading. It looks rediculous. -- Len Sorensen -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
Quoting Felix Miata (mrma...@earthlink.net): Special thanks go to Blackbit [4] for creating the new design, Special chide to Blackbit for the outcome. :~( .../... There are two ways to react after improvements or changes when one has trouble with them: constructive criticism, given with a tone that respects others' workand your way. I would perfectly understand the Samba Team if they happen to ignore your rant. May I suggest you consider reformulating your post and send useful propositions? -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
zoolook wrote: 2010/5/18 Karolin Seeger ksee...@samba.org: [1] http://samba.org/ Do you have a sans-serif version of it? Hmm, only the headlines are in serif fonts. All the text bodies are sans-serif. Are you speaking of the headlines? Cheers - Michael pgpx4xCvt4kDW.pgp Description: PGP signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 2010/05/19 07:00 (GMT+0200) Christian PERRIER composed: Quoting Felix Miata: Special thanks go to Blackbit [4] for creating the new design, Special chide to Blackbit for the outcome. :~( There are two ways to react after improvements or changes when one has trouble with them: constructive criticism, given with a tone that respects others' work... Blackbit's work, like most web designers' work, disrespects user defaults. In this case, Blackbit did it by ignoring them altogether, sizing text in px. I would perfectly understand the Samba Team if they happen to ignore your rant. May I suggest you consider reformulating your post and send useful propositions? That's what http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-sambaorg1005.png was supposed to be. How does the depiction fall short? -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
Another quick question, you must configure LDAP? For I see in the LDAP HOWTO that talks about a moment! Otherwise I see no mistake I am! Thanks. -Message d'origine- De : samba-boun...@lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-boun...@lists.samba.org] De la part de Michael Adam Envoyé : mercredi, 19. mai 2010 09:10 À : zoolook Cc : sa...@samba.org Objet : Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised! zoolook wrote: 2010/5/18 Karolin Seeger ksee...@samba.org: [1] http://samba.org/ Do you have a sans-serif version of it? Hmm, only the headlines are in serif fonts. All the text bodies are sans-serif. Are you speaking of the headlines? Cheers - Michael -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
2010/5/19 Viatte Frédéric frederic.via...@rpn.ch: Another quick question, you must configure LDAP? For I see in the LDAP HOWTO that talks about a moment! Otherwise I see no mistake I am! I think you replied to the wrong message :) No, it is not necessary to configure LDAP. Samba4 comes with its own built-in LDAP server and I believe it currently works best with the built-in LDAP server. -- Michael Wood esiot...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
Hello Michael, 2010/5/19 Michael Adam ob...@samba.org: zoolook wrote: 2010/5/18 Karolin Seeger ksee...@samba.org: [1] http://samba.org/ Do you have a sans-serif version of it? Hmm, only the headlines are in serif fonts. All the text bodies are sans-serif. Are you speaking of the headlines? Headlines and buttons; i.e.: * Home * think Samba * get Samba * ... Also, the color combination (specially on the wiki) is awful; red on gray, really hurt my eyes. I hope it can be improved soon. Regards, Norberto -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year old or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. I like the new design. I'm not particularly young, and I don't have a particularly fancy monitor. I do wear glasses, though. The CSS sizes the fonts in px, though, which is a problem. The issue isn't that your monitor has too low a resolution, it's that it's too high. The lower the monitor resolution, the larger the font will appear. My monitor is roughly 96 DPI, so the text appears larger than it does for you. Have you tried Ctrl-+ a few times? -David -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 2010/05/19 09:12 (GMT-0400) David Eisner composed: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year old or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. I like the new design. I'm not particularly young, and I don't have a particularly fancy monitor. I do wear glasses, though. Many people, regardless of age, even with correction, don't see particularly well, but quite well enough to use web pages that respect their defaults. These aren't the only people now being disrespected. All, regardless of eyesight, should be respected. Web designers as a group either don't understand the meaning of that word, or don't think it a necessary part of designing for the web. http://fm.no-ip.com/Inet/shame.html The CSS sizes the fonts in px, though, which is a problem. Exactly. The issue isn't that your monitor has too low a resolution, it's that it's too high. Hogwash: 1-The technology to design web pages with resolution independence is more than a decade old. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ is a very simple example of how it can be done. Apply zoom, or change your default larger or smaller to see how well it can work. 2-High resolution == high quality. Therefore, higher resolution _should_ mean a higher quality web experience. Web fonts are famous for marginal to poor quality. That lack of quality is proportional to DPI. The higher the DPI, the higher the quality, as each character of any given physical size has more px to be rendered with. My default of 24px has nominally 576 px per character, compared to samba's 13px at nominal 169px, which is several orders of magnitude higher quality. 3-A major reason still higher resolution isn't widely available yet is the usability factor. Web pages and software are still being designed as if people were using display hardware manufactured two decades ago. Were page and software designers incorporating resolution independence, even more advanced (still higher DPI) hardware to take advantage of it would be here already. IOW, hardware technology is being held back by anachronistic software and web page design. Have you tried Ctrl-+ a few times? Of course. But it's necessary on virtually every page, because virtually every page is designed either without regard to user defaults (in px), or by setting some base size at a fraction of the defaults (assuming the defaults are incorrectly set too large). Both behaviors (without regard, and assuming wrongly large) are offensive. Ctrl-+ (and minimum font size) are _defensive_ features provided by browser makers. Absent an offense, a defense needn't be applied. Poor legibility, caused primarily by too small fonts, besides being offensive, is a widespread usability problem: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
I really love how all this criticism comes from someone who's website looks like something out of the 90's. Animated gifs are 20 years old now! The design on your pages suck, it is not easy on the eyes, I'm not drawn to what is important. Yes I can read it (the text is legible), but just barely because the layout does not flow and I can't find anything. There is more to design than just the text px (which I highly discourage as well). Using too many fonts, having unbalanced portions of the page, etc. Please before you go slamming someone else's work, fix your own site so you have some credibility! Robert LeBlanc Life Sciences Undergraduate Education Computer Support Brigham Young University On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2010/05/19 09:12 (GMT-0400) David Eisner composed: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year old or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. I like the new design. I'm not particularly young, and I don't have a particularly fancy monitor. I do wear glasses, though. Many people, regardless of age, even with correction, don't see particularly well, but quite well enough to use web pages that respect their defaults. These aren't the only people now being disrespected. All, regardless of eyesight, should be respected. Web designers as a group either don't understand the meaning of that word, or don't think it a necessary part of designing for the web. http://fm.no-ip.com/Inet/shame.html The CSS sizes the fonts in px, though, which is a problem. Exactly. The issue isn't that your monitor has too low a resolution, it's that it's too high. Hogwash: 1-The technology to design web pages with resolution independence is more than a decade old. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ is a very simple example of how it can be done. Apply zoom, or change your default larger or smaller to see how well it can work. 2-High resolution == high quality. Therefore, higher resolution _should_ mean a higher quality web experience. Web fonts are famous for marginal to poor quality. That lack of quality is proportional to DPI. The higher the DPI, the higher the quality, as each character of any given physical size has more px to be rendered with. My default of 24px has nominally 576 px per character, compared to samba's 13px at nominal 169px, which is several orders of magnitude higher quality. 3-A major reason still higher resolution isn't widely available yet is the usability factor. Web pages and software are still being designed as if people were using display hardware manufactured two decades ago. Were page and software designers incorporating resolution independence, even more advanced (still higher DPI) hardware to take advantage of it would be here already. IOW, hardware technology is being held back by anachronistic software and web page design. Have you tried Ctrl-+ a few times? Of course. But it's necessary on virtually every page, because virtually every page is designed either without regard to user defaults (in px), or by setting some base size at a fraction of the defaults (assuming the defaults are incorrectly set too large). Both behaviors (without regard, and assuming wrongly large) are offensive. Ctrl-+ (and minimum font size) are _defensive_ features provided by browser makers. Absent an offense, a defense needn't be applied. Poor legibility, caused primarily by too small fonts, besides being offensive, is a widespread usability problem: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 05/19/2010 09:48 AM, Felix Miata wrote: On 2010/05/19 09:12 (GMT-0400) David Eisner composed: On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year old or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. I like the new design. I'm not particularly young, and I don't have a particularly fancy monitor. I do wear glasses, though. Many people, regardless of age, even with correction, don't see particularly well, but quite well enough to use web pages that respect their defaults. These aren't the only people now being disrespected. All, regardless of eyesight, should be respected. Web designers as a group either don't understand the meaning of that word, or don't think it a necessary part of designing for the web. http://fm.no-ip.com/Inet/shame.html Felix, I respect your right to have and express your opinions regarding the new look of the Samba web site. I also wish to point out the great freedom we have and exercise in the open source community - that of contributing something better. Remember though, that since we are predominately consensus-driven, what you I view as best may not meet with unanimous agreement from the greater community. This gets us back to respect for the right to disagree. Seriously, if you have a strong conviction that the Samba project would be better served with a different look-and-feel, and a more appropriate logical layout, please pursue your concerns - and contribute at least a proof of concept. We are currently short of resources to help manage the web site and the wiki, so if you have an interest and a passion, and plenty of time on your hands, please let us see your hand raised to volunteer to get on with the work needed. I love feedback - good and bad! Cheers, John T. The CSS sizes the fonts in px, though, which is a problem. Exactly. The issue isn't that your monitor has too low a resolution, it's that it's too high. Hogwash: 1-The technology to design web pages with resolution independence is more than a decade old. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ is a very simple example of how it can be done. Apply zoom, or change your default larger or smaller to see how well it can work. 2-High resolution == high quality. Therefore, higher resolution _should_ mean a higher quality web experience. Web fonts are famous for marginal to poor quality. That lack of quality is proportional to DPI. The higher the DPI, the higher the quality, as each character of any given physical size has more px to be rendered with. My default of 24px has nominally 576 px per character, compared to samba's 13px at nominal 169px, which is several orders of magnitude higher quality. 3-A major reason still higher resolution isn't widely available yet is the usability factor. Web pages and software are still being designed as if people were using display hardware manufactured two decades ago. Were page and software designers incorporating resolution independence, even more advanced (still higher DPI) hardware to take advantage of it would be here already. IOW, hardware technology is being held back by anachronistic software and web page design. Have you tried Ctrl-+ a few times? Of course. But it's necessary on virtually every page, because virtually every page is designed either without regard to user defaults (in px), or by setting some base size at a fraction of the defaults (assuming the defaults are incorrectly set too large). Both behaviors (without regard, and assuming wrongly large) are offensive. Ctrl-+ (and minimum font size) are _defensive_ features provided by browser makers. Absent an offense, a defense needn't be applied. Poor legibility, caused primarily by too small fonts, besides being offensive, is a widespread usability problem: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 2010/05/19 12:51 (GMT-0500) John H Terpstra composed: I respect your right to have and express your opinions regarding the new look of the Samba web site. I also wish to point out the great freedom we have and exercise in the open source community - that of contributing something better. Remember though, that since we are predominately consensus-driven, what you I view as best may not meet with unanimous agreement from the greater community. This gets us back to respect for the right to disagree. As usual, there has been no feedback from citing a mirror of my opinion by one of the few competent usability experts accessible to web researchers. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html is not theoretics or opinion. It's a fact that too small fonts are rampant on the web. Seriously, if you have a strong conviction that the Samba project would be better served with a different look-and-feel, and a more appropriate logical layout, please pursue your concerns - and contribute at least a proof of concept. It's possible I might have had I seen an announcement here that an overhaul was planned, with lead time provided. In my experience doing so right after an overhaul is usually pointless. We are currently short of resources to help manage the web site and the wiki, so if you have an interest and a passion, and plenty of time on your hands, please let us see your hand raised to volunteer to get on with the work needed. I've tried it before with other OSS projects, and with the W3 web site, and it's been mostly a big waste of time. Mandriva's, Novell's Redhat's Bugzillas were exceptions in that improvements were made. Complaining to Mandriva right after helped, but only because patches were expressly invited that I found time to provide. I don't have plenty of time. Participating in several beta projects saps up a large part of my spare time, and that time consumption is compounded by the OSS websites that support them being hard to use. The other problem is that the weight of styling is usually so extensive that it's usually painful even to attempt to offer even small improvements. All that said, samba.org's CSS is relatively light, so I went ahead and roughed it out so people get the idea how it could be, and maybe someone with power to do so and time could take it further in actual application. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html mainly also touches fonts, and works decently with default font sizes not far removed from standard. As default size is increased, the px-fixed widths begin crowding the content. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghomee.html touches widths, but not any images, so background images aren't tailored to actual container widths, but it does emulate the http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ resolution independence example provided earlier. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/ contains copies of originals, modifieds, and diffs of html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/htmldiff.pat, fonts only css http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/cssdiff.pat, fonts+widths css http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/cssdiffe.pat, all of which are unusable as-is because I removed relative URLs from hrefs srcs, but serve to point out changes made. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 04:20:58PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: As usual, there has been no feedback from citing a mirror of my opinion by one of the few competent usability experts accessible to web researchers. http://www.useit.com/alertbox/designmistakes.html is not theoretics or opinion. It's a fact that too small fonts are rampant on the web. It's possible I might have had I seen an announcement here that an overhaul was planned, with lead time provided. In my experience doing so right after an overhaul is usually pointless. I've tried it before with other OSS projects, and with the W3 web site, and it's been mostly a big waste of time. Mandriva's, Novell's Redhat's Bugzillas were exceptions in that improvements were made. Complaining to Mandriva right after helped, but only because patches were expressly invited that I found time to provide. I don't have plenty of time. Participating in several beta projects saps up a large part of my spare time, and that time consumption is compounded by the OSS websites that support them being hard to use. The other problem is that the weight of styling is usually so extensive that it's usually painful even to attempt to offer even small improvements. All that said, samba.org's CSS is relatively light, so I went ahead and roughed it out so people get the idea how it could be, and maybe someone with power to do so and time could take it further in actual application. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html mainly also touches fonts, and works decently with default font sizes not far removed from standard. As default size is increased, the px-fixed widths begin crowding the content. Wow that is a lot more readable. The font on some parts of the current samba.org are tiny and bolded and are very hard to read. Yours is much better. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghomee.html touches widths, but not any images, so background images aren't tailored to actual container widths, but it does emulate the http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ resolution independence example provided earlier. That has the Releases and Beyond Samba boxes rather misplaced from each other for some reason. Now very good looking. Other bits may be a bit improved. http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/ contains copies of originals, modifieds, and diffs of html http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/htmldiff.pat, fonts only css http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/cssdiff.pat, fonts+widths css http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/cssdiffe.pat, all of which are unusable as-is because I removed relative URLs from hrefs srcs, but serve to point out changes made. -- Len Sorensen -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 04:20:58PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html mainly also touches fonts, and works decently with default font sizes not far removed from standard. As default size is increased, the px-fixed widths begin crowding the content. Well, this looks at least interesting! I have no clue what you did, but the result does look nice. In Firefox, when I Ctrl- - , I get visible frames, but this should be fixable. Volker signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
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Felix Miata schreef: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html mainly also touches fonts, and works decently with default font sizes not far removed from standard. As default size is increased, the px-fixed widths begin crowding the content. this one look realy cool, and invites to read, imho... http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghomee.html touches widths, but not any images, so background images aren't tailored to actual container widths, but it does emulate the http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Sites/Ksc/ resolution independence example provided earlier. This on less... -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddb...@amd64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) release 103 -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 2010/05/19 11:10 (GMT-0600) Robert LeBlanc composed: I really love how all this criticism comes from someone who's website looks like something out of the 90's. Your opinion. It's different from all the cookie cut mousetype magazine pages hosted on the web on purpose. Deviation from normal can be fun. Too, some people prefer boring old pages to dead URLs. Animated gifs are 20 years old now! The Yup. design on your pages suck, I don't see an URL to _any_ of your web design fruit. it is not easy on the eyes, Great description. :-p There's more than one design, including non-design, and subject matter, and a lot of it all. Content is king. Boring is OK. Eyestrain and back strain are neither, but routinely induced by pages like Samba's new design. Exactly what do you mean by easy on the eyes? To me, that means legible, with lines neither too short nor too long, and without standard web distractions like advertising and sidebars. I'm not drawn to what is important. You can't find the middle? Maybe your window is too big. It's either all important, or none, or something in between. Read and decide for yourself. What's important to you may be different than what's important to anyone else. Yes I can read it (the text is legible), but just barely because the layout does not flow and I can't find anything. There is more to design than just the text px (which I highly discourage as well). Using too many fonts, having unbalanced portions of the page, etc. Please before you go slamming someone else's work, fix your own site so you have some credibility! You've apparently chosen to not hit every page so as to know what's possible, or are just complaining about selected examples that may or may not have had material touches in 10 or more years, and probably ignored the example provided to provide the baseline. Besides wanting to preserve some of the past as it was, I have more important things to do that redesigning old pages that weren't actually designed in the first place, but mere accumulations of information. c.f. http://shoemakerschildren.com/ and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html Robert LeBlanc Life Sciences Undergraduate Education Computer Support Brigham Young University Oh, and nothing on my site for me does or is intended to generate income. It's all as time permits stuff, and I much prefer content over form when it comes to information. -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Tmp/Smb/sambaorghome.html mainly also touches fonts, and works decently with default font sizes not far removed from standard. As default size is increased, the px-fixed widths begin crowding the content. For purposes of comparison, here is what the samba.org site looks like on my browser (Chrome on Vista): http://www.pointland.org/images/samba_org_sc.png And here is what your modification looks like: http://www.pointland.org/images/samba_org_kvetch_sc.png I put a little 96 pixel square in the upper right corner for those who want to scale to my dpi. Some feedback: The body text is a little large for my tastes, but I can live with that. I prefer the size contrast between the Opening Windows header and the body text in the original design to yours. I also prefer the additional white space around the text in the red section boxes on the left, in the original design. -David -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
On 2010/05/18 15:40 (GMT+0200) Karolin Seeger composed: As some of you might have noticed, the official Samba web site [1] has been revised during the sambaXP conference [2]. The web design was revamped and a new logo has been created. Some of the related pages (e.g. the Wiki [3]) have already been adapted to the new style as well. Special thanks go to Blackbit [4] for creating the new design, Special chide to Blackbit for the outcome. :~( to SerNet [5] for sponsoring and to Stefan Metzmacher (Samba Team, SerNet) for adapting the new style to the web site! We hope you enjoy the new look! Not even close. Arguably it's attractive, as long as you don't actually need to use it or read anything on it. Pray your eyes are as good as a 15 year old or you aren't using a high resolution device to access it if so. It's terribly rude, apparently designed by people with giant displays and/or perfect vision, for low resolution displays of 20 years ago, with no apparent consideration given to users of high resolution displays, or those with less than perfect eyesight. http://fm.no-ip.com/SS/SC/sc-sambaorg1005.png is what it looks like on resolution only 150% of standard 96. Note the note at the bottom of the image about proper viewing. The Samba Team [1] http://samba.org/ [2] http://sambaxp.org/ [3] http://wiki.samba.org/ [4] http://www.blackbit.com/ [5] http://www.sernet.com/ -- The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive. Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
Re: [Samba] samba.org has been revised!
2010/5/18 Karolin Seeger ksee...@samba.org: [1] http://samba.org/ Do you have a sans-serif version of it? Regards, Norberto -- To unsubscribe from this list go to the following URL and read the instructions: https://lists.samba.org/mailman/options/samba
